Snap On Dual 80 ratchet question......

[cf2004]

Good luck with that ^^^, Let me know when you find out.

i think the op may have know what he was starting when he made this thread.

 

[quattrojon]

These kind of threads are becoming so tiresome. In my eyes Chad and Shaun have presented enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Dual 80's are U.S made. Period.

 

[Skin]

These kind of threads are becoming so tiresome. In my eyes Chad and Shaun have presented enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Dual 80's are U.S made. Period.

SO really should just reverse their stupid stance that took the stamp off in the first place. If i were paying those prices i'd damn well want the company to take pride in where things are manufactured vs worrying about upsetting their 'global market'.

Most people in these types of threads probably dont doubt that its still made in the states but i dont blame them for continuing to call SOs bluff in a desperate bid to get their stance reversed.

'If its made here, stamp it and be proud.'


Any company, let alone in a poor economy, would be flaunting domestic made products as much as possible. SO on the otherhand decides to hide it in an apparent bid to increase profit. Idiot move. And yea, great its on the packaging of sets. Woop-de-doo. That package goes right in the trash, its the tool that will be around years later.

I'll personally never support a company that charges what they do and that see's the marking of their products with "USA" as a negative. But to each their own.

 

[dirtrider]

Yeah I was kind of hoping they were not made completely in the USA or that there was some internal part from overseas put in to make them not stamp the tool. That's almost better than hearing one of there main line of tools is made completely in the USA but Snapon won't stamp it for whatever reason.

 

[mrholeshot]

These kind of threads are becoming so tiresome. In my eyes Chad and Shaun have presented enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Dual 80's are U.S made. Period.

I agree with this arguement getting tiresome. If they had proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were 100% USA then I'd beleive it. They beleive what comes down the company pipeline then they tow the company line. It just happens to come down to several choices

1. They are currently made in the US but will be moving part or all of production offshore soon.
2. The internals are being made elsewhere and the body in the US
3. The Chinese own Snap-On and don't want USA on the ratchets
4. Trying to copy Duralast with no COO on the tool. lol

 

[otis66]

These kind of threads are becoming so tiresome. In my eyes Chad and Shaun have presented enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Dual 80's are U.S made. Period.

Seeing is believing. When I see USA stamped on the Ratchet I will believe it is made in the USA. When I see USA on the ratchet I'll buy one. Until then I'll just use my 936's ,Wright's and ,MATCO's. I will not buy any Snap On tools not stamped USA. I will never get tired of telling people that Snap Ratchets are not Stamped USA. No Stamp: No USA: No buy.

 

[dorksterr]

I heard they are made in Canadian air space.

 

[leod]

I actually like that they took it away, simple and clean design. if they put the USA stamp, place it on the handle beside the model # like "F80 - USA"

 

[mrholeshot]

I actually like that they took it away, simple and clean design. if they put the USA stamp, place it on the handle beside the model # like "F80 - USA"

Anywhere would be fine even if I had to use a magnifying glass to see it, lol

 

[otis66]

I actually like that they took it away, simple and clean design. if they put the USA stamp, place it on the handle beside the model # like "F80 - USA"

I'd like to see USA on the head of the ratchet and the handle like all my other pear head Snap On ratchets, but USA just on the handle would be great. Also put the screws on going through the back of the ratchet head to the face, screwing into the face plate. The screws never came loose when entering from the back of the ratchet head to the face plate.

 

[mrholeshot]

I'd like to see USA on the head of the ratchet and the handle like all my other pear head Snap On ratchets, but USA just on the handle would be great. Also put the screws on going through the back of the ratchet head to the face, screwing into the face plate. The screws never came loose when entering from the back of the ratchet head to the face plate.

I love the dual 80s but I also have issues with the screws in the bottom. You could be working on something critical and a screw drop out and into what you are working on. I could just imagine dropping a screw down an intake port, etc. Don't know what they were thinking when they did that.

 

[kams1973]

I wonder if they debate in other countries about the COO? I doubt it. IMO, if you don't like not having USA on your SO ratchet, don't buy one. For me, as long as I see SO stamped on it, all is well.

 

[chadster1]

I love the dual 80s but I also have issues with the screws in the bottom. You could be working on something critical and a screw drop out and into what you are working on. I could just imagine dropping a screw down an intake port, etc. Don't know what they were thinking when they did that.

Making stuff up again I see. I have sold over 200 dual 80 ratchets and the only screw issue I have seen has been on the 1/2 drive where the screw broke under load.

 

[48548]

I take all of my dual 80 apart and put in mobil 1 synthetic grease from a tube and never had a screw come out even after I have taken them all apart. I guess I have been lucky, but I don't use them everyday... I would try some loctite or something.

 

[mrholeshot]

Making stuff up again I see. I have sold over 200 dual 80 ratchets and the only screw issue I have seen has been on the 1/2 drive where the screw broke under load.

Thats not making stuff up, Thats a real concern. I'm not say it would happen but it can happen. Screws through the top is just more optimal. I keep saying I love the ratchets. I've had screws come out of the tops of ratchets but they don't normally fall out until the ratchet is upside down. Locktight is good insurance but sometimes **** happens. It's the reason aircraft ratchets have rivets instead of screws. Or do they make up stuff also. As great as the Dual 80 is (best on the market as fas as I'm concerned) it still has several areas that are troublesome. Don't take it so personal when people don't **** up to what you sell.

 

[mrholeshot]

Chadster1, I'm not the only one with this concern. It's already been an issue with some.

I suppose they all made it up as well. It hasn't been a problem for me as I havent used them that much. As big a fan of Snap-On as I am they arn't flawless.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68834

 

[48548]

Would loctite help?

 

[mrholeshot]

Would loctite help?

I'm sure but the simple physics of the ratchet in use tells you that ecah time you use the ratchet and then change direction that plate will move if only a millionth of an inch. Each time this cycle repeats the screws move as well over time the screws will wobble in the threads and loosen. Loose screws will fall out. The odds of them falling into some critical would be determined on what you work on and how often. But the more times you remove and install the screws to more worn the body and screws become. At least with the older ratchets when the ratchet was rebuilt the plate was normally changed and it had fresh screws and threads. The new Craftsman 84 tooth ratchets have the same holding system

 

[chadster1]

At least with the older ratchets when the ratchet was rebuilt the plate was normally changed and it had fresh screws and threads.

The repair kits do not come with new cover plates. They never have in the 8 years I have been a dealer.

 

[mrholeshot]

The repair kits do not come with new cover plates. They never have in the 8 years I have been a dealer.

I've had the cover plates replaced as sometimes they strip out and Ive been buying snap on for 38 years, lol

 

[chadster1]

I've had the cover plates replaced as sometimes they strip out and Ive been buying snap on for 38 years, lol

But they are not normally changed out as you stated in your earlier post.

 

[mrholeshot]

But they are not normally changed out as you stated in your earlier post.

Yeah OK you win

 

[adm84]

Why don't the mods delete these weekly asked threads about the same ****?
PLEASE use the search function.

+1 ,this is a ground hog day nightmare!

 

[wheats71]

after reading a number of these threads i went and looked at my dual 80's the ones i bought when they were first released are stamped "USA" the later ones are not
brought this up with my dealer got a shoulder shrug

 

[GTO]

I second that. I wonder if **** like this has driven away alot of our senior members to other places.

I haven't been a member here too long,and I'm getting tired of seeing the same f*****g threads here every week.
Maybe I should look for another forum.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Making stuff up again I see. I have sold over 200 dual 80 ratchets and the only screw issue I have seen has been on the 1/2 drive where the screw broke under load.

My SHF80's cover plate screws came loose a while ago. I cleaned the threads and put Loctite on them and haven't had a problem since.

 

[Sterff]

We just need a sticky that says "Dual 80s are not made in the USA. If it doesn't say USA it's not made in USA."

 

[leod]

just stop bitchin about this stamp, it's not there and deal with it or write to corporate. i'm sure you like it but don't want to buy it because of 3 missing letters

the cost of stamping will probably bring the cost up 10% lol

 

[simplec6]

Tennessee, just like JD.

 

[wellstig1]

I love the dual 80s but I also have issues with the screws in the bottom. You could be working on something critical and a screw drop out and into what you are working on. I could just imagine dropping a screw down an intake port, etc. Don't know what they were thinking when they did that.

I have had issues with the dual 80 screws loosening up too, it has happened on every drive size. Its not like its frequent, but has happened a few times. Still love the ratchets though and would not trade them for any other.

 

[bowtie3]

These kind of threads are becoming so tiresome. In my eyes Chad and Shaun have presented enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Dual 80's are U.S made. Period.

Without a shadow of a doubt? I have seen absolutely no proof. Chad and Shaun believe what SO tells them and I don't blame them for that, if I were a dealer I would too, but even if I didn't I wouldn't say so on here. Without a shadow of a doubt proof would be one video (SO loves you tube) showing someone in a SO plant in Elizabethton TN, working on some machine that is spitting out dual 80 pawls. I think anyone that works for or is a dealer for SO would believe what the company presents to them and thats OK by me, but show us a video or stamp a COO on the ratchet, then and only then will I and alot of other people believe it. My grandfather used to tell me "if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk..... its a skunk, it don't matter if they tell you it a rabbit... cause they may be selling rabbits not skunks".

 

[stopdroplol]

edit: wrong thread.

 

[Seanbev24]

Whether the dual 80's are 100% USA made or not, and although there are a few flaws, they are hands-down the best overall ratchets I've ever used. Would I love to see "USA" stamped on the head? Absolutely. However, the missing stamp and conspiracy theories won't keep me from buying them until I find something better. Matco, Craftsman, Cornwell, Wright, etc. all make nice ratchets with "USA" stamped on them for those that really care. The only problem, IMO, is they're just not as good.

Nobody has shown any proof that any part of the dual 80's are outsourced. Snap-On hasn't made a video showing every part being made in the U.S. Until either of those happens, why don't we just stop talking about it.

 

[smalltruck]

Please note that many items are no longer regulated by the FTC so what is or isn't stamped is meaningless. Th big ticket items will get the stamp and meet the requirements I think. The smaller items maybe not so much.
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard

U.S. content must be disclosed on automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products. There’s no law that requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content. However, manufacturers and marketers who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content in their products must comply with the FTC’s Made in USA policy.

 

[ngk22r]

Until either of those happens, why don't we just stop talking about it.

Because the OP had nothing better to do than to stir the pot all over again.

 

[Sterff]

Nobody has shown any proof that any part of the dual 80's are outsourced. Snap-On hasn't made a video showing every part being made in the U.S. Until either of those happens, why don't we just stop talking about it.

Show me proof they are made in the US. Its all hearsay. I find it odd that Snap-on only stamps "USA" on certain tools now...

 

[chadster1]

Please note that many items are no longer regulated by the FTC so what is or isn't stamped is meaningless. Th big ticket items will get the stamp and meet the requirements I think. The smaller items maybe not so much.
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard

U.S. content must be disclosed on automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products. There’s no law that requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content. However, manufacturers and marketers who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content in their products must comply with the FTC’s Made in USA policy.

So there are a lot of people on here who believe that Snap-on is breaking the law.

 

[otis66]

So there are a lot of people on here who believe that Snap-on is breaking the law.

As long as Snap On does not put USA on the ratchet they will not be braking the law.
I'm not going to buy any Snap On tools not stamped USA. I will not buy any MAC or MATCO tools not stamped USA. I will buy Gearwrench or Duralast with no USA stamp.

 

[forceyoda]

The FTC's made in USA policy has nothing to do with country of origin claims on a website. If Snap on were to actualy start marking them as made in USA they would fall under the FTC provisions.

 

[chadster1]

The FTC's made in USA policy has nothing to do with country of origin claims on a website. If Snap on were to actualy start marking them as made in USA they would fall under the FTC provisions.

You obviously did not read the FTC link.

What kinds of claims does the Enforcement Policy Statement apply to?
The Enforcement Policy Statement applies to U.S. origin claims that appear on products and labeling, advertising, and other promotional materials. It also applies to all other forms of marketing, including marketing through digital or electronic mechanisms, such as Internet or e-mail.