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Thomas do you think you would ever share some of your period music with us? I would be more than interested if you did put together a "BOX SET" .

Thanks for such an great thread I love seeing what your up to. Buy the way do you commute through or fly from ORD?
 
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Wow. I found this thread a two or three days ago. I took three or four sessions to go through the thread. That resto is amazing. I love the fact that you saved the old shop, kept a lot of things exactly the same but also added some of your own touches.

The new shop is unreal.

The old tools that you saved, restored are amazing. The fact that you also put them back to work puts a smile on my face. The Walker floor jacks are a thing of beauty.

The only thing that would have made this thread any better is if Mr. Johnson himself had a chance to see it now.

Nice work.

James

Hi there James and welcome to the thread. As you probably know you're not done reading about it yet. I still have more material that I'm doing my best to get together and post here. There are still old pictures from "back in the day" that need to be gone through and posted.

I was also successful gleaning all of the home movies and have transferred to DVD, ones that have the shop in them. There are a few from the late 1950's showing the east side of the shop outside. The north addition was only a year or so old and that was the first time I had ever seen the Rotary Lift back when it was situated outside and not enclosed. I've never even seen pictures of it when it outside. That was really, really strange for me to see it with grass and weeds growing beside it. :headscrat The plan is to post a link to You Tube so that you can see those movies also. I must admit that project was pretty exciting for me. These movies were mainly before 1960 so all that I was seeing was new to me. Parts of the house and shop looked so much newer, trees that are now much larger etc all from over 50 years ago. So that is in the works, it just takes time, please bear with me.

Yes I too would love to see Mr Johnson's reaction to what I've done to "his" shop and property. Impossible to say really, but sometimes fun to speculate about. :)

Thanks for dropping us a note and your positive thoughts.

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Thomas do you think you would ever share some of your period music with us? I would be more than interested if you did put together a "BOX SET" .

Thanks for such an great thread I love seeing what your up to. Buy the way do you commute through or fly from ORD?

Greetings cool50. I love music and sharing would be lots of fun. I don't know how I would do that but it would be fun! The first thing I do when I walk in the shop is get tunes going. Love period music for doing period work and I've build an inviting shop to do it in. It all comes together for me out there. :thumbup:

Yes I do commute through ORD to EWR. If you ever see me in the terminal please stop me and introduce yourself.

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Hi there James and welcome to the thread. As you probably know you're not done reading about it yet. I still have more material that I'm doing my best to get together and post here. There are still old pictures from "back in the day" that need to be gone through and posted.

I was also successful gleaning all of the home movies and have transferred to DVD, ones that have the shop in them. There are a few from the late 1950's showing the east side of the shop outside. The north addition was only a year or so old and that was the first time I had ever seen the Rotary Lift back when it was situated outside and not enclosed. I've never even seen pictures of it when it outside. That was really, really strange for me to see it with grass and weeds growing beside it. :headscrat The plan is to post a link to You Tube so that you can see those movies also. I must admit that project was pretty exciting for me. These movies were mainly before 1960 so all that I was seeing was new to me. Parts of the house and shop looked so much newer, trees that are now much larger etc all from over 50 years ago. So that is in the works, it just takes time, please bear with me.

Yes I too would love to see Mr Johnson's reaction to what I've done to "his" shop and property. Impossible to say really, but sometimes fun to speculate about. :)

Thanks for dropping us a note and your positive thoughts.

Thomas

Trust me, I will be checking this thread often. I have been telling everyone in my family that will listen about this guy that restored an old shop. I love new but there is just something about old building, tools and so on. I love seeing the old pictures of my city from way back. I hate to see any of it tore down.

I would love to see the videos as well. Get them up when you have time. I'm in no rush. I'm not going anywhere.

Thanks for sharing your story.

James
 

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Greetings cool50. I love music and sharing would be lots of fun. I don't know how I would do that but it would be fun! The first thing I do when I walk in the shop is get tunes going. Love period music for doing period work and I've build an inviting shop to do it in. It all comes together for me out there. :thumbup:

Yes I do commute through ORD to EWR. If you ever see me in the terminal please stop me and introduce yourself.

Thomas

That would be great to meet you if you ever have some time at ORD, I could PM you my phone number if you want. I work over in the "G" concourse.
 

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I found this forum and your shop thanks to Car Craft. I also learned all my mechanical training and welding from my grandfather who had a shop in a small town. He was a good welder and mechanic. He sold cars and farm equipment from the shop. It is bringing back many memories for me.
I have a 30x40 shop that is used for mechanical and wood working. I also turn on the tunes when ever I'm in the shop, gotta have that music. Keep up the good work and I will keep the memories of my grandfather and his shop.
 

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Here's a good example of the barn roof color combination of dark brown which absorbs sunlight and therefore warms up, and being a slick, glossy surface and how it sheds snow.

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I selected the dark brown color because there are so many Walnut trees around, that the sap and walnuts they drop stain everything a dark brown color. I reasoned it would mask those stains and that it does. That it helps clear snow off was just an unforeseen bonus. :)

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And again here you can see the 3' soffit overhang is keeping all the snow sliding off the roof 3'- 4' away from the building foundation. OK enough of that, on to more....

Thomas

Do you get much Snow???
Your building looks to have a a good pitch and the metal panels look to shed snow well...
We had a bad winter this year... About 200 buildings were destroyed or damaged in the state by much higher than normal snow loads... I drive by one of the damaged ones every day and did some salvage in one that had collapsed... I worked in the office space and only noticed some fallen tiles and lighting, a little water damage, until walking around a corner into a cafeteria and locker area and found myself outside amidst destruction... :scared:
Actual warehouse area of the building was worse with bent & twisted structural members, crushed steel racks and equipment... I real eye opener....
 

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Hi Joe.

Yes, we get some bad, heavy snows. You don't want a flat roof because of that. I think the Water Survey says we got around 35" total between Sept 1 and Feb 15. We had a record 27" in December alone! Every winter's a **** shoot. Some winters we get less, others more. For me the worst thing is the strong winds with glare ice. I'll take a nice gentle snowstorm any day over glare ice with the winds and below zero temps combined.

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Tim if this is any help, here's where I measured the length of my lifting arm from...

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The angle in the photograph is not so good but from the end where it's straight to...

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...the bottom of the hole the grease zirk is in looks to be right at 15".

Also my front wheels measure 4 3/8" in diameter so they are a bit larger than yours at 3 1/2".

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Hello Thomas and Chris

I have been doing a few things in my shop and one was checking out the vises. One of them is a 5" Wilton 1750. The other one is a bigger one but so far I've not found any type of information on it. It does have several coats of paint on it. It is bigger than the Wilton and has a flat area that I use for an anvil when I need to persuade some thing with a hammer. I've looked at some anvils and for the prices they bring and for what I would use one for I've not seen one yet that I could not live without.

The lift is an old Benpak 7000 lb. four post lift. The data plate is on post with the controls toward the wall. I'll get a closer look at it another day, it may take using a mirror and light to see it. By the time I get where I can almost see the data plate my bi focals are not in the right place where I read anything.

You have a very positive influence on several of us. I too have been doing more cleaning up and getting rid of some treasures.

I don't remember the metal port-a-walls. They sound like a good display item if you have room.

I'm still checking in about every day.
Vince

Thanks Vince for the update. A 5" Wilton vise is a handy size.


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I have an older 4" Wilton that came with the shop already installed on the cast iron bench that needed to be rescued and is at least functional now...

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... and a 6" that was already in my inventory that I rotated out there. It's in the queue for refurbishment. Over in "The Tools" forum under "General Tools Discussion" is this thread on Wilton disassembly guide:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93250

I know I'll use that information in time. Also you might find the thread, "The VISES of Garage Journal":

http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44782

...helpful identifying your unknown vise.

ZRX61 will tell you very useful anvils are and why every shop needs one. (Just between you and me I think he's got a "thing" about them if you know what I mean?) ;)

Keep up the organizing you can't go wrong with it. I think you'll find it is a better way. :)

Thomas
 
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This looks like an oversized pasta maker.:D

That was a unique set of conditions with temperature, recent snow on the roof etc. I've never seen it hanging in ribbons like that before. Usually when it lets go it comes off the roof like an avalanche in one big whoosh! It's best not to stand under the edge of the soffits when the's a bunch of snow up there!

Thomas
 
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tcheat and everyone,
TLC (as referred to in Tom's post #2760) means "Tom's Loving Care". Well, at least to me it does!

Chris

Well she ought to know because she's #1 on my list for "TLC".:bounce:

If Mama's not happy, NOBODY'S happy................if you know what I mean. ;)

Thomas
 
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I found this forum and your shop thanks to Car Craft. I also learned all my mechanical training and welding from my grandfather who had a shop in a small town. He was a good welder and mechanic. He sold cars and farm equipment from the shop. It is bringing back many memories for me.
I have a 30x40 shop that is used for mechanical and wood working. I also turn on the tunes when ever I'm in the shop, gotta have that music. Keep up the good work and I will keep the memories of my grandfather and his shop.

Welcome losdudes and thanks for checking in here. Grandfathers are special and I wish I had met mine but that was not to be. I told my Dad how grateful I was that he managed to be around and have such a positive influence on my son in so many ways. I'm going to bet that once I get back into the tool shed and lean-to I'll uncover more items that will spark some memories. The further from the door and the deeper under the piles; the older the "items" I uncover are.

Great looking dogs there, full of unconditional love I'm sure. :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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I'm horrified, nay even appalled.

This was at the bottom of page two!!!

Keep up the good work Chris and Thomas


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I'm horrified, nay even appalled.

This was at the bottom of page two!!!

Keep up the good work Chris and Thomas


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OK, I just got home today and saw this and...........I'm mystified as to what you might be referring to?? :headscrat

Thomas
 
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Thomas,

I think what Nuts is referring to is that there were no posts since April 12, so the thread had slid all the way down to the bottom of the second page of the gallery. I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

Your attention to the details is top notch. Looking forward to see what the next treasure is that you post.

Lynn
 

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OK, I just got home today and saw this and...........I'm mystified as to what you might be referring to?? :headscrat

Thomas

Thomas,

I think what Nuts is referring to is that there were no posts since April 12, so the thread had slid all the way down to the bottom of the second page of the gallery. I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

Your attention to the details is top notch. Looking forward to see what the next treasure is that you post.

Lynn


Yup, what he said ^^^^^^^^

My somewhat warped sense of humor strikes again. :eek:


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Yup, what he said ^^^^^^^^

My somewhat warped sense of humor strikes again. :eek:


Nuts

Actually I like your warped sense of humor. But I would never have figured that one out. Bottom of page 2 has never happen before huh? I'll have to see what I can do about that. :D

OK, I promise to get something on here tonight, promise. I spent most of the day in the shop plus I do have a backlog of other material. Thanks everyone for being so patient with me.

Thomas
 

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Thread is almost up to 3/4 million views. I give it another month or two before it passes the bunker garage! ... on its way to a million views?

You're famous Thomas!
 
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I spent a few hours doing some lathe work.

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The lathe normally lays under a cover to keep it clean. It is a precise machine and I want to prevent fine grit from grinding and such around the shop from getting onto the various components and wearing them unnecessarily. Note the dehumidifier in the lower right.

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This was my Dad's lathe, a SouthBend which he bought new in 1948 I believe. He made the bench it is sitting on. The 3 Kennedy machinist tool boxes are ones I bought "preowned" 25 years or so ago from two separate owners and then reconditioned them. A couple needed to be "de-rusted" and some of the drawer slides needed tweaking or replacing, the boxes were missing some hardware and needed paint touch ups. Kennedy makes paint that has a crackle finish just like the original factory paint. It's hard to tell where it's been repainted I am happy to report. :)

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As you'll recall this is what the original shop SouthBend lathe looked like by the time I bought the property. It's almost identical in age as Dad's and is the same model and size.

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With so much bare, unprotected metal it's important to keep the humidity in the shop low. I like it under 40%, 30% is even better. Also a light coating of oil on the bare metal when done is helpful. This machine is 63 years old. A little care goes a long, long way.

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This is the front axle from the Walker floor jack.

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I used the lathe to spin it while polishing which was so much easier and faster. Note the cardboard I put behind the lathe work to catch the material flung off the lathe while polishing. I used WD 40 and various grits of emery cloth, 180, 220 and 400. Most of the time I used 220 or 400.

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The right side has been done, the left is untouched as yet.

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The axles are slightly worn as you can see from the light under the square but not enough to do anything about at this time. The front wheels have needle bearings so it's not noticeable when reassembled and if they are kept well lubricated (grease from a grease zirk) they will last for many, many years to come.

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This is the handle pivot pin. Right side completed as compared to the unsightly :eek:, left side.

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All done. The idea is to clean these pieces up "somewhat" I don't want to remove too much material and create too large a clearance. Just a light polish.

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The ram attachment pin done.

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The lifting arm pivot. That's mostly old hard grease and not rust so no pitting resulted, thankfully.

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Before...

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...after.

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The hole the pins fits in needs to be polished as well. That is much more time consuming but will look like the surface of the pin when done.

More is on the way. Thanks again for all your interest and patience. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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Thomas,

I think what Nuts is referring to is that there were no posts since April 12, so the thread had slid all the way down to the bottom of the second page of the gallery. I'm not sure this has ever happened before.

Your attention to the details is top notch. Looking forward to see what the next treasure is that you post.

Lynn

Thanks Lynn for the input. It's all in the details isn't it?

It's getting to be fall down there; do you get rain like they do in Brazil in the fall? Did I mention we fly into Lima? That's a flight I haven't done but never say never. I'll give ample warning if I do. :D

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Thread is almost up to 3/4 million views. I give it another month or two before it passes the bunker garage! ... on its way to a million views?

You're famous Thomas!

Who'da thought there were so many people as quirky as me? :dunno: Initially I really just figured I'd put a few before and after pictures on here and be my way. But noooooooo, back by popular demand. :bounce:

Oh, about that famous thingy you mentioned. Why Oprah and I could be buds, you know- really tight. She's in Chicago see, just up the road from us here in the "Center of The Universe". David Letterman would be calling me up to "do lunch" since I'm in New York so often and Jay, why we're practically joined at the hips. I just can't understand why he hasn't called :headscrat........I mean he's a car guy, I'm a car guy, Badda-Bing Badda-Bang and he's hanging out at my shop checking out the Walkers and the Rotary Lift and I'm off driving some of his cool rides and doing his show, paparazzi digging though my trash, signing book and movie deals............... and then Chris said something to me to the effect of "only in your dreams buster!!!!!!" :sad:

Some dreams just die hard, ya know? I guess my 15 minutes of fame and glory has come and gone while I wasn't even looking.....

Has been Thomas
 
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Just seen one of those Erco(?) air meter thingiemagummers on American Restorations :)

Did they do it up right or just dress it up on the outside and leave all the screws unclocked?? :D

The first ECO air meter was made around 1916 or 1917 by the Western Manufacturing Company, of Oskoloosa, Iowa. It appears that the first ECOs were actually called the Economy Air Meters. The name was then shortened to ECO and is pronounced EEEECO, not ECHO *

Thomas

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Your welcome, Thomas. Yes, the little things that take the most time is what makes the difference. It is easy to see that you don't mind going the extra mile to make sure things fit and work right. It takes more time in the beginning, but it is more efficient in the long run.

We are just starting into fall, the nights are starting to get colder, the days still have some sunshine and warmth, but that wont last long. Then it just stays gray and damp. We have lived down here for the last two and half years. We are getting ready to return to the States on May 9th. Both of our kids will be starting college and we have pretty much finished the orphanage, so we feel it is time to return and see what is in store for us next. As far as the rain goes, we are about 30 miles South of Lima in the desert so we only get about a 1/4 of an inch of rain a year and it is usually in a mist that lasts for weeks.

I wondered if you had flown to Lima. The last couple of times I listened for the pilots name, I didn't hear yours. :)

Carry on and keep up the good work!

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Your welcome, Thomas. Yes, the little things that take the most time is what makes the difference. It is easy to see that you don't mind going the extra mile to make sure things fit and work right. It takes more time in the beginning, but it is more efficient in the long run.

We are just starting into fall, the nights are starting to get colder, the days still have some sunshine and warmth, but that wont last long. Then it just stays gray and damp. We have lived down here for the last two and half years. We are getting ready to return to the States on May 9th. Both of our kids will be starting college and we have pretty much finished the orphanage, so we feel it is time to return and see what is in store for us next. As far as the rain goes, we are about 30 miles South of Lima in the desert so we only get about a 1/4 of an inch of rain a year and it is usually in a mist that lasts for weeks.

I wondered if you had flown to Lima. The last couple of times I listened for the pilots name, I didn't hear yours. :)

Carry on and keep up the good work!

Lynn

Wouldn't you be surprised if you heard it was me up front. :) You'd probably be telling all the passengers around you, "hey, I know that guy and he's certifiable nuts! Do you know he's got a trim plate in his shop that's crooked :scared: If he can't install that correctly how can he possibly fly this thing???

Seriously Lynn, if you ever are on one of my flights, please come to the cockpit as you're getting off and introduce yourself. Just tell the flight attendant you know me and they'll make sure you get up there. :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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Good thing I don't fly, there would be two nuts on the plane.

Very nice to see the old lathe put to use. Those old machines are a piece of art.


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Did they do it up right or just dress it up on the outside and leave all the screws unclocked?? :D

The first ECO air meter was made around 1916 or 1917 by the Western Manufacturing Company, of Oskoloosa, Iowa. It appears that the first ECOs were actually called the Economy Air Meters. The name was then shortened to ECO and is pronounced EEEECO, not ECHO *

Thomas

*Curtsy Jack Sim, Petroliana Collectibles

The show American Pickers just purchased one on one of the last few episodes but it was an Islander. They talked the woman down to something like $350 :shocking:


It looked like this one

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Thomas....I'm looking forward to when the weather really starts getting nice so you can start really digging through the other stuff you haven't hit yet. It is just mind boggling of all the history that you have stored, restored, and not touched yet :thumbup:

BTW...beautiful SouthBend lathe. You are an inspiration to all. Not only do you restore it to like new condition, you use it as it is intended to be used. Truly working displays of art and history.
 

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ARGHHH!!! I've been lusting after a lathe for a while now, and with recent expenses I've been regretfully putting my search on the back burner... Then you just HAD to come along and show your B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L lathe and re-ignite my lathe fever!

Grrrr!


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Wow I reached the end! What a great story you have told!

I was even able to run to the crappy little BX here at an "undisclosed location" in SWA and get the current issue of Car Craft.

Great story Thomas, keep up the hard work!
 

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How so? Really.:headscrat

If the lathe grabs the strip & you don't let go in time you won't be able to do this: :thumbup:
Luckily I let go just in time & my thumb bounced off the spinning lump of metal in the lathe...If I'd been wearing gloves it could have grabbed the glove & then torn my hand off..
 

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Thanks for the information on vises from your post #2774 It took me several days to read through and look at all the picures on those two threads. I've not figured out what the big vise is but will be checking it out better in the near future.

I also saw the American Pickers program with the air station and thought about yours.

I have some piles of stuff to go through and see what treasures may be there. I did find the name plate on an old valve grinding machine, it is a Blackhawk. There is a small lathe and I will need to clean it up and see what kind it is. I've never ground valves or used a lathe so they will be display items in the shop.

This is a great forum and you have one of the best threads going.
Thanks Thomas, Chris and GJ
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