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sk farmer

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i won't tell you to not buy a us made tool as that is a good thing to do. but..........if you really like the hf model why not buy anothere one. i don't have one but many do and most if not all seem to be very satisfied. some have even said it is as good/better than the similar snap-on.:scared:
 

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i won't tell you to not buy a us made tool as that is a good thing to do. but..........if you really like the hf model why not buy anothere one. i don't have one but many do and most if not all seem to be very satisfied. some have even said it is as good/better than the similar snap-on.:scared:

I was about the say the same thing. I actually own that exact SK breaker bar and I find myself using my HF bar way more and it has never once failed me.
 

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I've never held a 24 inch SK breaker bar but I have owned a few of the shorter ones. Some are older and some are somewhat newer and they have all been great. I also own the Harbor Freight 24 inch breaker bar. It's very strong, but the head on the thing is really big to the point where it doesn't fit into a lot of places that the other breaker bars do. Just that makes owning the other breaker bars worthwhile. I'd say you could do worse than buying the SK.
 

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Treat yourself to a decent reasonably priced American made tool occasionally, It is good for all of us in the states:) I am going to treat myself to a nice set of American made combo wrenches for Christmas :D SK,Williams, Proto ,Wright etc. Tuff decision . Most of my imported stuff has served me very well, but the USA stuff makes me feel better.
 

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The only HF tool that I have is that same breaker bar and i am sad to say that it is just as good as any high quality american made breaker bar.
 

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As the title suggests I would like to hear your suggestions on the SK 41654 Breaker and or a better 24" for the money.

I don't trust ANY of those extra long 1/2" drive breaker bars or ratchets.

If I need more than fifteen or seventeen inches of handle leverage, then I'm using 3/4" or 1 inch drive. I'm not real worried about one of those suddenly snapping off and me getting maimed and possibly ruining my manly good looks. :wtf:

WoD
 

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I have the SK breaker bar. The biggest thing I have used it for is doing a collapsible spacer on a pinion. I had a cheater bar, the handle from a high-lift jack, to apply enough pressure. The bar had some flex but it did the job.

I have the HF one, but haven't used it before. I do have the 18" Craftsman and it doesn't compare to the SK. SK is so much beefier.
 
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Thank you for all of the responses, I appreciate all of them! Why toss both in the trash though?
 

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+2, this needs an explanation as that I've been using a few SK breaker bars for over 30 years and the HF breaker bars are very stought, I have four of them, one in each vehicle for breaking loose lug nuts. The reason I ask for explanation is as far as I know both brands are excellent and equal to any truck brand (I do own Snap On, Bonney, MAC, Proto, Craftsman and Matco breaker bars).

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SK are hard to get warrented since they went belly up. i'd get a used S O or Mac of feebay. Be cheap like me, put a short bb into a pipe and weld! Makes a great lug wrench, I'll loose it anyway.
 

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I have a S.K 24" breaker bar and it hasn't let me down. Recently used it to loosen a hub nut on the van that was torqued to 420Nm.... no problem.
 
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I have that SK breaker and I'm quite happy with it. To be fair, I haven't really had to lean hard on it yet, but that's mainly because it has broken everything free that I've asked it to. I've had to pound on my 18" Williams breaker with a sledge and still couldn't get stuff to budge, but that extra leverage from the 24" seems to get things free effortlessly. That said, there are probably cheaper solutions that will do just as well (HF), but I can't find a single bad thing to say about my SK breaker.
 

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Toolhorder hates SK because of their warranty policy. They've been denying some warranty claims where tools have been abused or just plain worn out. That's why he would "pitch the SK and the HF right into the trash."

There's plenty more of his ranting (and my ranting) on the topic in these two threads:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117361

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109285


I like SK tools, but I wouldn't spend $60 on any breaker bar. That's just too much $$ for a tool that I wouldn't use that much, but the OP's situation might be different. The money might be better spent on a long 1/2" drive ratchet.
 
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Toolhorder hates SK because of their warranty policy. They've been denying some warranty claims where tools have been abused or just plain worn out. That's why he would "pitch the SK and the HF right into the trash."

There's plenty more of his ranting (and my ranting) on the topic in these two threads:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117361

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109285


I like SK tools, but I wouldn't spend $60 on any breaker bar. That's just too much $$ for a tool that I wouldn't use that much, but the OP's situation might be different. The money might be better spent on a long 1/2" drive ratchet.

Hey wait don't put words in my mouth I don't "hate" SK I just don't like their policy on warranty. They make a good tool and I'm sad they have come to their current point where most professionals are abandoning them completely.
 

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Toolhorder hates SK because of their warranty policy. They've been denying some warranty claims where tools have been abused or just plain worn out. That's why he would "pitch the SK and the HF right into the trash."

They gave him a replacement ratchet and he still whines. Some people are never happy.

I like SK tools, but I wouldn't spend $60 on any breaker bar. That's just too much $$ for a tool that I wouldn't use that much, but the OP's situation might be different. The money might be better spent on a long 1/2" drive ratchet.

What would /you/ buy?

I agree that $60 seems pricey for such a simple piece... but the Craftsman units are garbage (hopefully the HF ones are better). Better to spend $60 than throw away $30 IMO. For me, at least, I use the 1/2" breaker bar every time I pull the wheels off and the 3/8" whenever I need the room (serpentine belt tensioners, rear brakes on an E39 :sad:).

For something like a 24" bar I don't think you're going to find a comparable ratchet (strength, leverage)... and certainly not for $60.

BTW, do the HF or SK units have pins or bolts?
 

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They gave him a replacement ratchet and he still whines. Some people are never happy.


I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to complain as a consumer if a company tries to act like I'm putting them out when I ask them to honor the warranty I paid for.
If you like SK that's fine with me but don't try and make my complaint less valid because you haven't walked in my shoes.
and I'm perfectly happy with Snap-on tools so that statement doesn't hold water.
 
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I have this breaker bar at work and have to admit I have put some serious cheaters on it and only warranted it once, just put a new anvil and pin in. Its a great tool dont remember how much I paid for it but I know I paid 2x as much for my snap on one. The only reason I bought another was because s-k was out of business and it was broked!
 

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I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to complain as a consumer if a company tries to act like I'm putting them out when I ask them to honor the warranty I paid for.
If you like SK that's fine with me but don't try and make my complaint less valid because you haven't walked in my shoes.
and I'm perfectly happy with Snap-on tools so that statement doesn't hold water.

How much did that Garage sale Ratchet cost you? Big Deal.. They put a copy of there Warranty policy in with your "New" Replacement Ratchet. I sure hope life doesnt get any rougher for you... "Walked in my shoes" LOL.

Hey wait don't put words in my mouth I don't "hate" SK I just don't like their policy on warranty.

Its one thing to have a Policy, Its another to Enforce it. ALL... Tool companies have the same Warranty lingo, Below is your beloved it Snap on. (<--- Great tools, Just not for everyone)

3. Warranty – Professional Use for Products. Snap-on warrants to Customers who purchase Product from authorized Snap-on distribution channels for use in their profession that Snap-on® brand Products and Blue-Point® brand Products will be free from defects in workmanship and materials for a duration described in each Product's warranty code. The warranty duration depends upon the nature of the Product. If the Product information for purchased Product does not include a warranty statement with the applicable duration or prior to a Product purchase, Customer can obtain the Product warranty code and warranty duration from a selling Snap-on dealer or representative or by writing Snap-on at the address provided at the end of this warranty statement. Consumable Products are warranted, at the time of sale, only against defects in workmanship or materials that prevent their use. Consumable products are goods reasonably expected to be used up or damaged during use, including but not limited to drill bits, saw blades, grinding discs, sanding discs, knife blades, files, O2 sensors and batteries. This warranty only extends to the original Customer and cannot be transferred or assigned.

During the applicable duration of the warranty, at its option, Snap-on will repair or replace its Products which fail to give satisfactory service due to defective workmanship or materials, or provide a refund by repaying or crediting Customer with an amount equal to the purchase price of such Products. Repair, replacement or refund shall be at the election and expense of Snap-on, and is Customer's exclusive remedy in place of all other rights and remedies. To obtain warranty service, return products to Snap-on or a Snap-on dealer. By repairing or replacing a Product, or providing a refund, Snap-on does not waive a claim that a Product nevertheless has been subject to abnormal use.

In addition to any limitations outlined in warranty statements provided with the Product, Snap-on does NOT provide any warranty for (1) products labeled other than Snap-on or Blue-Point or (2) products subjected to "abnormal use". Products that are not labeled Snap-on or Blue-Point are subject to the warranty provided by the manufacturers of those products and Snap-on will pass along any such warranties. "Abnormal use" includes misuse, accident, modification, unreasonable use, abuse, neglect, lack of maintenance, use in product-related service, or use after the product is significantly worn. Abnormal use of tool storage units also includes, without limitation, situations when a unit is pulled using a mechanical vehicle, rolled over large drops, used in a highly corrosive environment, used as a step stool, modified with non-Snap-on parts, overloaded or modified in any way.


I highlighted the Important parts for you, Now.. We all know Snap on has one of the Most Liberal Warranties in the Business. They are also one of the Most expensive tools you can buy.. Sk has the same policy but it didnt prevent them from warranting a ratchet that was "probably" older than you are.
 
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How much did that Garage sale Ratchet cost you? Big Deal.. They put a copy of there Warranty policy in with your "New" Replacement Ratchet. I sure hope life doesnt get any rougher for you... "Walked in my shoes" LOL.



Its one thing to have a Policy, Its another to Enforce it. ALL... Tool companies have the same Warranty lingo, Below is your beloved it Snap on. (<--- Great tools, Just not for everyone)

3. Warranty – Professional Use for Products. Snap-on warrants to Customers who purchase Product from authorized Snap-on distribution channels for use in their profession that Snap-on® brand Products and Blue-Point® brand Products will be free from defects in workmanship and materials for a duration described in each Product's warranty code. The warranty duration depends upon the nature of the Product. If the Product information for purchased Product does not include a warranty statement with the applicable duration or prior to a Product purchase, Customer can obtain the Product warranty code and warranty duration from a selling Snap-on dealer or representative or by writing Snap-on at the address provided at the end of this warranty statement. Consumable Products are warranted, at the time of sale, only against defects in workmanship or materials that prevent their use. Consumable products are goods reasonably expected to be used up or damaged during use, including but not limited to drill bits, saw blades, grinding discs, sanding discs, knife blades, files, O2 sensors and batteries. This warranty only extends to the original Customer and cannot be transferred or assigned.

During the applicable duration of the warranty, at its option, Snap-on will repair or replace its Products which fail to give satisfactory service due to defective workmanship or materials, or provide a refund by repaying or crediting Customer with an amount equal to the purchase price of such Products. Repair, replacement or refund shall be at the election and expense of Snap-on, and is Customer's exclusive remedy in place of all other rights and remedies. To obtain warranty service, return products to Snap-on or a Snap-on dealer. By repairing or replacing a Product, or providing a refund, Snap-on does not waive a claim that a Product nevertheless has been subject to abnormal use.

In addition to any limitations outlined in warranty statements provided with the Product, Snap-on does NOT provide any warranty for (1) products labeled other than Snap-on or Blue-Point or (2) products subjected to "abnormal use". Products that are not labeled Snap-on or Blue-Point are subject to the warranty provided by the manufacturers of those products and Snap-on will pass along any such warranties. "Abnormal use" includes misuse, accident, modification, unreasonable use, abuse, neglect, lack of maintenance, use in product-related service, or use after the product is significantly worn. Abnormal use of tool storage units also includes, without limitation, situations when a unit is pulled using a mechanical vehicle, rolled over large drops, used in a highly corrosive environment, used as a step stool, modified with non-Snap-on parts, overloaded or modified in any way.


I highlighted the Important parts for you, Now.. We all know Snap on has one of the Most Liberal Warranties in the Business. They are also one of the Most expensive tools you can buy.. Sk has the same policy but it didnt prevent them from warranting a ratchet that was "probably" older than you are.

Here we go again, lol

You're right SK is the same as Snap-on that's why SK went under and was recently bailed out and Snap-on is making record profits.....

Good luck with your tool choices. I know I will enjoy a level of tool enjoyment many of you guys only wish to gain. I certainly know my breaker bar isn't going to break on me and cause an injury. To some of us who are pro techs we value our bodies more cheaping out on a tool.
 

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Here we go again, lol

You're right SK is the same as Snap-on that's why SK went under and was recently bailed out and Snap-on is making record profits.....

Good luck with your tool choices. I know I will enjoy a level of tool enjoyment many of you guys only wish to gain. I certainly know my breaker bar isn't going to break on me and cause an injury. To some of us who are pro techs we value our bodies more cheaping out on a tool.

Hmm... I didnt Say SK was the Same as Snap on.. I did in fact copy and paste there Warranty info from there website and showed that it was the Same as the SK booklet you received with your New SK Ratchet. Restassured.. I know a little bit about Leverage and id venture to bet my 6' Cheater bars are putting out a bit more leverage than your 24" Breaker bar, I not only own 3/4" drive tools, I know when to use them. Its fine that you dont like SK, No biggie.. I think everyone is well aware of your love with Snap on.. Thats cool.. Nothing wrong with there tools. What would really be awesome, And im sure im not alone, would be if Members gave accurate Opinions based on there Experiences. How do you justify your Statements? You bought a SK ratchet at a Garage sale, The Ratchet was older than you i suspect (Sk-Wayne period 62-69 if i recall), It had a broken Head, You sent it in to get warranted and they sent you a NEW Ratchet but for some reason you claim there warranty service is ****. I just dont get it... Please help me understand..

BTW.. I own mass amounts of Wright, Snap on, Matco, Sk and my Most recent flavor Cornwell.
 

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I cant really comment on the 24" breaker bar, I believe mine is a 18" in SK variety. I would also like to throw Wright into the Mix, They can be found on Ebay fairly reasonable and they do make a 24" Knurled handle variety. I cant comment on the HF but there have been lots of success stories here about them. I know personally whenever im thinking about 24" of Leverage, A Light bulb generally goes off and i reach for the 3/4" drive stuff.
 

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They gave him a replacement ratchet and he still whines. Some people are never happy.



What would /you/ buy?

I agree that $60 seems pricey for such a simple piece... but the Craftsman units are garbage (hopefully the HF ones are better). Better to spend $60 than throw away $30 IMO. For me, at least, I use the 1/2" breaker bar every time I pull the wheels off and the 3/8" whenever I need the room (serpentine belt tensioners, rear brakes on an E39 :sad:).

For something like a 24" bar I don't think you're going to find a comparable ratchet (strength, leverage)... and certainly not for $60.

BTW, do the HF or SK units have pins or bolts?


I have two of the SK 41654 breaker bars: one has a pinned indexable head and the other has a bolted non-indexable head. The pinned head version is is designed a little different than the bolted in that it's a little beefier at the drive end. I put the head from a 16" SK 1/2" drive flex head ratchet (non indexable) on the bolted one making a 24" flex head ratchet.

The HF 24" I have has a bolted head.
 

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According to at least half of the tool junkies on GJ that SK breaker bar will fail first time out, as it has a fork on the handle and the block in between, rather than the fork on the pivoting block....................

If you need a 24" breaker bar, buy it. I have a 24" Snap On that I bought at the flea market, handy to have when the need arises, awkward to use otherwise.

Charles

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It has a black oxide square drive and pin, and is stamped S.K 41654 U.S.A

The 41654 that I have has a bolt,the bolt is thicker than the bolt in a SnapOn 1/2" bar. The head of the 41654 is kind of short but is thicker than a SnapOn one. The drivepiece/anvil is black finish as is the bolt which uses a hex/Allen.

I must admit to owning a Craftsman bar,it used to be the only one I had until I found this forum(other than little 3/8" one)-but it is a few years old so there is the possibility that it is not as "craptacular" as the newest ones. Looks more primitive than the S*K one but at least it has a nice hole in the handle for hanging it up on a peg.
 

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Those HF 1/2" breaker bars are pure ****! I had one over ten years ago and snapped off one of the ears on the first time I used it to remove an axle nut. My 18" Craftsman and my 4'+ cheater pipe removed that same axle nut without hesitation.
I don't like breaker bars with the HF design that have the ears on the drive end instead of the bar.
I got it replaced under warranty and gave to a BIL as a xmas gift.

I was in HF before xmas last year and they had two models of the 1/2" breaker clearance priced around 70% off and no I did not purchase one.

:lol_hitti
 

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Treat yourself to a decent reasonably priced American made tool occasionally, It is good for all of us in the states:) I am going to treat myself to a nice set of American made combo wrenches for Christmas :D SK,Williams, Proto ,Wright etc. Tuff decision . Most of my imported stuff has served me very well, but the USA stuff makes me feel better.

+1000 on this!!! :beer: I try to buy local and USA as much as I can. Yes it cost more but I believe there is a song by a certain country singer about a little man. US made stuff is getting more and more like the little guy.
 

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I have a HF and Northern Tool 24" breakers, one in the trunk and one in the shop.

The NT version is a Titan.

The HF version is heavy duty, the NT (titan) has less slop in the head

Both work great, and I have really leaned on both at times
 
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