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Red Leader - with all the work you have put into your collection I can't believe you don't already have one of these:


I am sure the Delta is Sa-weet but it's a CMan garage after all . . .you gotta.

I am a silly man...I actually passed on a near pristine power bronze '100' floor press for about 100 clams. Hindsight being what it is, I'm kicking myself for that one. However, I'm really hoping to hold out for one that has either the slow speed pulley, the vari-slow speed attachment, or the table raising mechanism (or any combo!).

Then again, if someone is selling one for $20, who would I be to complain?:D
 
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I think had is the key word... But now he's got a 1-car garage! :thumbup:

Dave, not a problem at all. That's what friends are for. I am thrilled with the generosity of GJ members and the willingness to help others or to pass things on. Thanks to you, when I go through my place cleaning up, I now have it in the back of my mind to see what I don't want, but can pass on to a good home. Now I just need to come up with creative contests...

We have a pretty cool community here...and a big part of that is folks like Jeff that started the 'pay it forward' type of thing.

Good on you Jeff!:thumbup:
 

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I finally finished reading your thread - you are doing great work. I love seeing another Colorado garage.

I'm inbetween garages at the moment, and it is driving me nuts. Once I get the space again, I will have to start looking for vintage tools. Some of those table saws look fantastic. I've got what I think is a 50s vintage Craftsman joiner from my Grandfather. I'd post a picture, but it is currently burried in storage.
 
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I finally finished reading your thread - you are doing great work. I love seeing another Colorado garage.

I'm inbetween garages at the moment, and it is driving me nuts. Once I get the space again, I will have to start looking for vintage tools. Some of those table saws look fantastic. I've got what I think is a 50s vintage Craftsman joiner from my Grandfather. I'd post a picture, but it is currently burried in storage.

Thanks for your nice comments. Vintage tools are a lot of fun and very enjoyable to me. Maybe this will provide a little 'kick' for you to get out there and pull that jointer out!

Let's see it!
 
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Alright, a little update!

I finally got to putting my Craftsman cabinet/floor saw together and getting it under power:

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I didn't have a working table saw since the two Unis were sold, so that gave me a little extra motivation. I built the wife a shoe rack out of some free plywood I had - nothing fancy, but better than not having any storage.

Also I got to taking a look at the radial saw that was given to me (thanks scoutkid!)

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The main mystery about this saw was that it's bearing system was unlike anything that I had heard about on the original Accra Arm radial saws. This saw is definitely vintage:

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Kinda hard to read, but definitely has a date of '60' stamped in it.

However, it was easy to see that the motor wasn't original, due to it's plastic shroud and sharper corners. I found a '75' on the motor tag, which leads me to believe the motor was from the 70s.

I think maybe the bearing system is not original to the saw as well:

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Here it is cleaned up:

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Now, look at the casting that the bearings bolt to. It is obviously gray and not power bronze. My thought is that either the original bearing carriage system was worn out or replaced for some reason and it was replaced with the bearing system shown, including the casting mounting. I don't think that is such a bad thing though, because I rather like the system! This is the same system that the DeWalt saws use (only up inside the arm casting). Even though the bearings are shot (I pulled one and it had tangible, visual play), when tensioned correctly, the entire carriage assembly moved smoothly up and down the arm without any play. I'm sure it would feel 10 times better with new bearings.

It is not the best design ever made, but definitely respectable and it has a lot of life left in it.

I'm hoping this week I'll make some progress on my bench and when I do I'll be sure to post it!
 

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Congrats on the shoe rack (meaning getting the table saw finished and breaking it in!)

That RAS is sweet. Not sure if you would find an original motor for that set-up, so you may have to work with what ya got. And those bearings are bound to get worn just due to the design. They carry the dead weight of the motor pulling down and still need to spin horizontally. And the color may be correct. It looks like they are under the cover and would not be visible. It looks like the base plate is also the gray color since it was hidden as well. Maybe the bronze was an upgrade and only put on the showy parts.

Is this RAS going to be another keeper, or a pass-thru?
 

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Yours is the same model as mine and I think someone modified it with the different bearing race. Interesting design and I don't think it should hurt anything. I am almost done with mine and will post up some pics soon. I did get a base cabinet (new design) that I need to clean and paint. The best part of the new cabinet is I met a very nice guy who I might work with selling my other RAS to in exchange for some old Craftsman power tools (drills, sander, etc).
 
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Congrats on the shoe rack (meaning getting the table saw finished and breaking it in!)

That RAS is sweet. Not sure if you would find an original motor for that set-up, so you may have to work with what ya got. And those bearings are bound to get worn just due to the design. They carry the dead weight of the motor pulling down and still need to spin horizontally. And the color may be correct. It looks like they are under the cover and would not be visible. It looks like the base plate is also the gray color since it was hidden as well. Maybe the bronze was an upgrade and only put on the showy parts.

Is this RAS going to be another keeper, or a pass-thru?

Jeff,

You ask the hard question, don't ya? ;)

Everyone has an opinion on the Craftsman radial saws. Most opinions aren't favorable. However, there are a few that really do love them. Most of those guys say the old ones (power bronze Accra Arm) are the best ones Craftsman made. Now usually that is without the knowledge that Craftsman introduced the Parks radial saw 8 years earlier, but I digress:D

It just so happens that I now own both of the original radial saws Craftsman sold (although not technically, because there is the Mooradian saw from the 1940s but that one, to my knowledge, was not marketed in their catalog) or at least the ones 'talked about' and a part of me wants to see how they can do. After observing the Accra Arm, it is hard for me to find a major fault in it. The criticism that the arm doesn't hold true, I did not see as a problem. Now if you slam something into it, then yes, you will have to re-zero, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal. The bearing system, at least on this modified saw, seems to be fairly stout, even with bearings that are shot. I wouldn't say that the pull is either smooth or gritty...somewhere in between. However, I do feel like that is mainly due to the bad bearings. Even still, I want to see how it will cut. I eventually would like to do a comparison between this saw and the Parks. The competition would probably be biased against the Parks though, seeing as how the only carbide tooth blade I have for it (remember, 1" arbor here!) is that scary 6-toothed version which was Craftsman's first venture into the realm of carbide tooth blade technology.

To be honest, I really do want to end up with a Red Star. I think they are beautiful and are superior from an engineering standpoint. The perk with the Accra Arm is that since there are a bazillion of them out there, if anything goes wrong with yours, you could probably scrounge up a free one for parts:) Try that with a Red Star:D

If I do end up moving it on, I will 'pay it forward' so to speak and the saw will be given away to someone, hopefully that is getting into woodworking and will have a need for such a tool.

Which reminds me...one of my next upcoming projects is to start working on the saw/jointer combo that Steven Biars won!

Really, I need the space:D :lol_hitti
 
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Yours is the same model as mine and I think someone modified it with the different bearing race. Interesting design and I don't think it should hurt anything. I am almost done with mine and will post up some pics soon. I did get a base cabinet (new design) that I need to clean and paint. The best part of the new cabinet is I met a very nice guy who I might work with selling my other RAS to in exchange for some old Craftsman power tools (drills, sander, etc).

I am inclined to agree with your assessment, especially since I already know that the motor was replaced with a newer one. The neat thing is that it still works just fine with all the new parts! Now that is some consistency!

I'd love to see more pictures of yours...you are doing a fabulous resto on that bad boy.

If you end up with other Craftsman power tools from getting rid of your other RAS...all the better:)
 

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Here is where I am today. All I have to do is attach the tabletop and I am ready. I will hold off until the new base is done. I just don't know what color scheme I will go with.

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Here is where I am today. All I have to do is attach the tabletop and I am ready. I will hold off until the new base is done. I just don't know what color scheme I will go with.

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Wow, beautiful job! Definitely an inspiration.

By the way...is that an Atlas jointer off to the side?
 

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Wow, beautiful job! Definitely an inspiration.

By the way...is that an Atlas jointer off to the side?

Thank you and yes, it is an Atlas jointer. Good attention to detail. It is funny you mention it as it will soon have a friend that will be its opposite. I've spotted an "alien" and should have it on Friday. I will post up a pic when I have it home. It is an early model in the old dark blue color scheme.

Here is another pic of the Atlas 6001 -

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And a link to more pics of it. http://s616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/smschriefer/Garage/Tools/Atlas 6001/
 

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Here is my new alien. I will have better pics Friday, or Saturday. It has the older emblem on it, so I am guessing it is from the 40's and nlt early 50's.
 

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Thank you and yes, it is an Atlas jointer.

Somethin' bout those casting numbers stamped into the back of the fence was sayin' 'Atlas' to me.

The 'Alien' made its first debut in the 1941 Craftsman catalog and since that is the old style logo, I'm guessing it is from the early 1940s. Brian K over at the OWWM forums knows the intricate details of the differences between the models over the years and might be able to even pin down a more exact date.

Ya know, it is funny that they call it the 'Alien'. I suppose it is because it looks so other-worldly. However, I have always thought that there were other tools that reminded more of an alien:

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1936-1960 Craftsman Machine Stands/Bases, A Photographic Study

In 1936, Craftsman offered their first machine stand of this era. It was an open legged sheet metal stand, very similar, if not identical, to the open legged Delta stands. It was branded with the Companion logo:

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A year later, they introduced a similar stand with enclosed sides, for 1937:

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In 1940, Craftsman came out with a new stand design with a definitive art deco flair:

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This particular stand was labeled with the 'Companion' brand.


A year later, in 1941, Craftsman declared the release of a 'new' machine stand, identical in appearance to the 1940 Companion stand but this time with the Craftsman label:

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In fact, both identical Craftsman and Companion stands were offered in the exact same catalog at the same price point. I suppose they supported the power of choice among their customers.

Craftsman also offered an extended machine base that was built for lathes, available in 2 sizes to accommodate different lathes:

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In 1942 the art deco style enclosed machine base stands disappeared completely and never offered again.

One design came close, on a rather unusual machine that appeared in the 1943 catalog only:

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This base, however, was not offered as a tool stand accessory. One interesting note is that this tool could be ordered with 2, 3, or 4 drill press heads. From the look of the picture, the cast iron table top would expand out based on the number of drill press heads and the removable machine stand legs would form the ends with the appropriate sized running board connecting the two underneath to maintain rigidity.


The next new stands by Craftsman would not be released until 1951:

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These machine stands came in various sizes to suit different machines.

1953 saw a few new stands offered by Craftsman:

A lathe stand:

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And a shaper/milling machine stand:

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Although not technically a machine tool stand, it is worth mentioning that in 1954 Craftsman offered the following benches:

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This was not Craftsman's first foray into work style benches, as they had wood style benches under the Companion name since the 1930s. This particular bench shares more similarities with the machine stands offered at the same time.

1954 also saw the first introduction of the now famous Craftsman 'pedestal' type stands, with stands being offered for table saws, jointers, and the 12" band-saw:

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In 1955 Craftsman detailed an entire 'pedestal' base line:

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That same year, Craftsman also came out with a new sheet metal legged stand offering, similar to the stands from 1951:

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The pedestal stands continued to enjoy popularity, as evidenced in the 1956 catalog:

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Unbeknownst to some, Sears actually carried the DeWalt radial arm saw, one of Craftsman's main competitors, in the Craftsman power tool section of the store. They also carried accessories for the 9 and 10 inch saws, including a machine base:

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It is not known whether the carrying of DeWalt products was an experiment or trial run for Sears, but it did not last long and one year later there was no trace of any DeWalt products, including the machine base, to be found in the catalogs. It would be easy to presume that with the release of the Accra Arm radial saw around 1958 and the type of press that Craftsman desired for their flagship tool, it would have been unwise to carry the DeWalts.

1959 saw a lot of changes for Craftsman and these changes were also reflected in their machine bases, benches and tool stands:

Accra Arm radial saw base cabinet:

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Metal lathe base (integrated):

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Grinder bench/stand:

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This particular stand has a lot of design elements that we see in later 1980s and 1990s Craftsman stands.


Another tool bench:

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More changes were to come in the 1960s for Craftsman. Perhaps that time frame will be covered at a later point. I hope you all have enjoyed this photographic study of the stands and machine bases offered by Craftsman throughout their golden years.

I am sure that the details above will change as new information presents itself. It is a known fact that not every tool and accessory that Craftsman sold ended up in their catalog, so I am expecting it to change, but for now it is a good starting place to detail the history of these accessories. Also, the pictures in various Craftsman catalogs can sometimes be misleading, such as with the tag/nameplate rendering in the artwork. I will also perhaps at a later time add in more information about what years certain bases were removed from catalogs, but I did not want to focus too much on that information because a particular item may have still be available for quite some time after the item no longer appeared in the catalog. All this is leading up to say that the catalogs can be very helpful for information and general dating, but should not be taken as gospel all the time, every time. Only notable discontinuations were referenced, such as the art deco enclosed machine bases, which appeared for 2 years only and then disappeared completely. The following pictures are the only photos I know of that shows one of these bases:



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It may be intriguing to speculate on the relative rarity of some of the bases, however many of them have never turned up, so it is hard to say with any type of precision just what the number of bases were relative to the number of tools that were actually manufactured/sold. I suppose we can take that to mean that many of these machine bases are exceedingly rare, given the fact that they were both 1) sheet metal and relatively more susceptible to damage than the tools themselves which leads us to 2) the possible number that were either damaged, destroyed, separated from the tools, rusted out, etc.

If you have any pictures of any of the above machine stands or bases, especially art deco style or any from the 1930s, I would greatly appreciate your submission of such photographs.

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Its interesting that you posted this up. I have the bandsaw stand and I have a mystery stand. Looking at the pics it may be from a belt/disc sander. Not sure. I was trying to figure out what its for.

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GTIboy66: I am glad you are over here too, I saw your post over in OWWM and was trying to email you a link to this thread . . .as you can see none of the pedestal bases look like they match that top. Maybe it was fabricated for another tool?
 

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GTIboy66: I am glad you are over here too, I saw your post over in OWWM and was trying to email you a link to this thread . . .as you can see none of the pedestal bases look like they match that top. Maybe it was fabricated for another tool?

Ckadams00 ... I see you have a few of those Crafty pedestal stands too with a 18" scroll saw, 12" bandsaw and a belt/disc grinder. Might want to add those pics here with the rest of them for people to see? Bill
 

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Those pedestal stands are cool!

On a side note...
THANKS for the vintage chalk line for winning the competition! I just stopped by the hardware store and picked up a replacement line and a container of chalk. I'll have to do a mini-Red-Leader, old-tool refurb on it.

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Ckadams00 ... I see you have a few of those Crafty pedestal stands too with a 18" scroll saw, 12" bandsaw and a belt/disc grinder. Might want to add those pics here with the rest of them for people to see? Bill

Hi Nightshift - don't want to hijack Red Leader's thread . . .I have posted the one's I've cleaned up at my thread below if you want to see them!

Red Leader thanks for putting the work into the post on this topic, it is really helpful to see the progression of the stands and put a year to each. I didn't even know those deco base cabinets existed (sounds like not many do!). Awesome work.
 

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GTIboy66: I am glad you are over here too, I saw your post over in OWWM and was trying to email you a link to this thread . . .as you can see none of the pedestal bases look like they match that top. Maybe it was fabricated for another tool?

I think you are right, that top looks odd. Somebody that happens to have the correct top and motor mount for a sander but is missing the base and pipe might be interested. Hmmm I wonder who that might be? :dunno:
 

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Mystery tool stand solved! Are those holes about 9" apart lengthwise and 3" the short way? If so I believe it's for the 3 wheel bandsaw catalog # 99M2223L. My 1963 catalog shows the stands with "ghost" outlines of the tools and it look like that complete with the little stub stucking down on the front, presumably to hold the belt guard # 9M2907. That belt guard also fits the 99M21861 4 1/4" jonter or the 2 wheel bandsaw 99M24261. I have a 3 wheel bandsaw and took a rough measurement of the mounting holes.
 
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I am inclined to agree with your assessment, especially since I already know that the motor was replaced with a newer one. The neat thing is that it still works just fine with all the new parts! Now that is some consistency!

I'd love to see more pictures of yours...you are doing a fabulous resto on that bad boy.

If you end up with other Craftsman power tools from getting rid of your other RAS...all the better:)

Red Leader, after tearing my rusted late 60's saw apart it has the exact same bearing system and black plastic covers with white lettering. Model number is 113.29411. Sears shows the bearings available part # 37386 for $29, pretty sure that's each. An Ebay seller has some used ones and you can see the Heim 633 on them. If you find a source post it up!
 
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Red Leader, after tearing my rusted late 60's saw apart it has the exact same bearing system and black plastic covers with white lettering. Model number is 113.29411. Sears shows the bearings available part # 37386 for $29, pretty sure that's each. An Ebay seller has some used ones and you can see the Heim 633 on them. If you find a source post it up!

Right now that is what is stopping me from doing anything further with the saw. I heard somewhere that they are identical to some of the bearings the older DeWalts used and those bearings might be able to be sourced from somewhere else for cheaper. I'll have to do some more research on it. I researched the bearing serial number and it literally turned up nothing.

As said before...$29 per bearing is a cool $120 I'd rather put toward a Red Star. Maybe I'll see what the saw can do with the current bearings and go from there. Which just how many of these and the DeWalts there are, I am a little surprised there are not more sources for bearings.
 
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Red Leader thanks for putting the work into the post on this topic, it is really helpful to see the progression of the stands and put a year to each. I didn't even know those deco base cabinets existed (sounds like not many do!). Awesome work.

Thanks! And no problem. After all, I am a fellow student of the study of vintage machinery and the only way to pass it on is to share the collective knowledge. I have a small fascination with tool bases and there has been a lot of research on the Delta stands, but not much on the Craftsman stands. I figured that should change! :thumbup:
 
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Those pedestal stands are cool!

On a side note...
THANKS for the vintage chalk line for winning the competition! I just stopped by the hardware store and picked up a replacement line and a container of chalk. I'll have to do a mini-Red-Leader, old-tool refurb on it.

M_P

Glad you like it! I actually know nothing about the company so I don't know what vintage they are...maybe I'll check!
 

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Right now that is what is stopping me from doing anything further with the saw. I heard somewhere that they are identical to some of the bearings the older DeWalts used and those bearings might be able to be sourced from somewhere else for cheaper. I'll have to do some more research on it. I researched the bearing serial number and it literally turned up nothing.

As said before...$29 per bearing is a cool $120 I'd rather put toward a Red Star. Maybe I'll see what the saw can do with the current bearings and go from there. Which just how many of these and the DeWalts there are, I am a little surprised there are not more sources for bearings.


Maybe if a certain circular saw swap happened some bearings might just be in the box heading your way LOL.
 

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Every time I stop by, it seems I learn something new about vintage tools. That post surely does show the time you spent on research. Thanks for sharing. :thumbup:

And those stands are soooo cool! I love those deco ones and can't help but think about the guy who builds those from MDF. That deco base with cabinet doors seems like a potential project.
 

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Maybe if a certain circular saw swap happened some bearings might just be in the box heading your way LOL.

That saw looks killer to me especially with the matching "Crown" box. I will PM you about the swap.

The bearings are the ones off the 1969 RAS I parted out. I think they are way better than yours after a bit of cleaning and oiling.
 

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Smschriefer, do you have a manual or any paperwork for your "alien head" planer?
 

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"And those stands are soooo cool! I love those deco ones and can't help but think about the guy who builds those from MDF. That deco base with cabinet doors seems like a potential project."
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I have thought about doing that very same thing. I have a old Atlas Mill and a Valve grinder mounted on new 4 Drawer BB cabinets. They would look much better with a art deco cover.
 

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Smschriefer, do you have a manual or any paperwork for your "alien head" planer?

Here's my alien head planer ... here's my 1950 Sears "Supremacy" model 103-1801. I have the manual for it too but it's too big a file to upload here. If you want it, PM me with your email addy. Cheers, Bill
 

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Here's my alien head planer ... here's my 1950 Sears "Supremacy" model 103-1801. I have the manual for it too but it's too big a file to upload here. If you want it, PM me with your email addy. Cheers, Bill

Whoa. What the heck is a 'Supremacy'?? Never seen that before!
 
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