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Is it next yet?

Mike, it's guys like you that make it so much fun to do this thread, honest and truly. I've been off flying but I'm back now so.........yes, it's next yet! Thanks for being so patient. :thumbup:

Since this post will detail some woodwork on a cabinet base, a little woodworking machine background material might be in order.

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A jointer is a machine that will cut a flat, straight surface, be it the edge or face of a board. Here an 8' (2.4 m) piece of Sycamore is getting the edge straightened up. With a large, long piece of lumber like this having a jointer with long in-feed and out-feed tables is very helpful. As you might remember this jointer is referred to as a 16" (40.6 cm) jointer.

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That's due the approximate width of its cutting knives. That's the maximum width it can cut if need be. Unusually the cut made is much narrower, such as the edge of a board or whatever the width of a board might be.

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Here's a side view of one of the knives circled. This cutter head holds 4 such knives and rotates clockwise as seen.

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That's the jointer motor data plate.

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This jointer was from a pattern makers shop in a foundry and is 5 H.P. uses 3 phase, 440 volt power, pretty common in factories.

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Since I already had 3 phase 220V in the wood shop, these Jefferson transformers were used to step up each leg of the 220 voltage to 440V. They were purchased brand new, in the crate, from government surplus for $10 apiece, of course that was over 30 years ago. The two older main switches left and right on the bottom are Trumbull Electric, 30A, 4 pole with 7.5 max H.P. rating. They were sourced from dumpster diving when the University of Illinois was doing some building remodeling a few years back. Your tax dollars at work. They were perfectly good switches. :)

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To accomplish a cut, the in-feed table, see on the right, will be lower that the out-feed table on the left. Note the distance under the ruler. If a board were fed into the cutters with it set like this that distance (about 1/2"- 1.3 cm) is the amount of wood that would be cut. But you would never make a cut that deep, that's just for illustration.

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With the in-feed table raised and adjusted to a more normal setting, here about a 1/16" (.2 cm) lower than the out-feed table. When a board is now passed over the knives, (from right to left) 1/16" is the amount of material that will be removed. That in-feed table is raised and lowered by...

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...this large 19.5" (49.5 cm) hand wheel. That hand wheel connects via a worm gear that turns...

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...the threaded shaft in the center, circled red, which pushes or pulls the table up or down on precise ways on the left and right edge of the table, the left way is circled yellow here and across from it you can see the corresponding right side way. This jointer is made from 1/4"- 3/8" (.6 - 1 cm) cast iron and the tables themselves weigh hundreds of pounds. That's why the hand wheel is so large, to give added leverage.

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This is a side view of the in-feed table with the upper part of the way circled yellow. The is in the up position, note the narrow distance between the top of the table on the knife guard circled red and...

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...here it is with the table lowered. You can see more of the way, circled yellow, is now exposed. Note the distance from the top of the table to the knife guard, circled red.

So that's basically how a jointer works. The fence can be tilted also to angle the edge of a board if need be. A board has one edge straighten and one face flattened prior to running the board through a thickness planer, but we'll save that for another time.

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With those long, 4' (1.2 m) in-feed and 4' out-feed tables this machine can produce some very straight boards.

That was a round about way to explain that the sycamore board seen in the first photograph was taken from rough lumber to...

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...these finished boards.

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I was given this stacking cabinet from a gas station that was shutting down and the cabinet needed a base so I used some of that sycamore...

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... for the outside perimeter of the base and I used some...

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...scrap fir I had that is over 100 years old for blocking material that the cabinet will sit on. That fir's got a very tight grain and is quite hard.

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The blocking will allow the cabinet to sit about 1/2" below the top of the perimeter wood and was glued and screwed to the sycamore...

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...which was stained and then given a couple coats of Varathane.

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The inside corners were reinforced with fir blocking which was glued and screwed from the inside so no fasteners were visible on the outside.

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When all done and dry, the cabinet was set into the base which had enough clearance for the doors to open.

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I used a simple **** joint on the corners, nothing fancy...

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...but it looks fine. I think the occasional wood trim in the barn visually softens the hard metal edge look seen everywhere. The cabinet will then be secured to the wall for additional stability. That's another step in getting the barn squared away to my liking.

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Wow, industrial machinery pictures, heroic dumpster diving, 'gifted' garage cabinetry, and a concise tool overview all in one post! You're going to spoil us, Thomas; keep it up.
 

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"I used a simple **** joint on the corners, nothing fancy..."

Not to offend, but that statement gave me a chuckle. hehehe. You would need to see my space to understand
 

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Thomas

Thanks!

Yeah I am jealous of Yates, what a marvelous machine. While my old Delta 220 is a great machine it is only a 6" machine not a 16". Of course if I brought home a bigger Jointer, it would have to be big enough to sleep on, being somewhat space constrained.:willy_nil

In wood working terms the Jointer ( Jointer/planner) is really referred to by the function it is performing. Jointing or edge work or Planning making the face flat and true. The Yates will do either for very large boards.

But Thomas left out some of his other marvelous machines. (yeah we want to see them unless Chris is going to add them to the test)
 
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Interesting that you call that a jointer Thomas, that to us would be a planer!

http://www.amazon.com/Jet-JJP-8BT-8-Inch-Jointer-Planer/dp/B001O0D6NS

I had always heard them referred to as jointer/planer. Amazon agrees. :bounce: I guess you are both correct.:beer:

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Thanks!

Yeah I am jealous of Yates, what a marvelous machine. While my old Delta 220 is a great machine it is only a 6" machine not a 16". Of course if I brought home a bigger Jointer, it would have to be big enough to sleep on, being somewhat space constrained.:willy_nil

In wood working terms the Jointer ( Jointer/planner) is really referred to by the function it is performing. Jointing or edge work or Planning making the face flat and true. The Yates will do either for very large boards.

But Thomas left out some of his other marvelous machines. (yeah we want to see them unless Chris is going to add them to the test)

Ross, I'm not sure if it's a cultural difference or not. Here's the cover for the operations manual, dated 1944, on the jointer...

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...that came right from Yates American, the manufacturer.

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That's what my jointer is...

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...an M31. Throughout the literature they refer to the machine as a jointer. On the other hand what they refer to as a planer or surfacer is...

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...this machine which is commonly refer to over here on this side of the pond as a planer or thickness planer.

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Mine is a J18 just like the one shown on the cover of its operations manual. Yates use to refer to these in the 1930's as surfacers and I don't know when they started to be refer to as planers. For all I know different parts of our country might even have different terms for the same equipment. I just use the terms I was taught by my Dad and never gave it much thought. He probably was influenced by the manufacturers and their terminology.

rlwhitetr3b the machine depicted on Amazon is a combination machine, a jointer/planer. You joint boards on the top tables and plane them below the cutter head. I prefer dedicated machines that are used for a single purpose. Blame or credit my Dad for that prejudice.

Mike the Delta 220 is a fantastic machine with those wonderful long tables. :thumbup: My old Delta 6" jointer is similar but has the short tables.

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Dad bought it new in 1948 and we use it mostly for shorter material. I've often considered trying to find a nice vintage Delta 8" with the extended tables. I think that would be an extremely versatile machine.

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I just read back a few pages and was fascinated with the book binding. My mom has been a librarian for 20+ years, yet I never saw how books were repaired/bound, or thought to ask.
Speaking of Toledo, I went to UT and graduated last May.

First of all congratulations Jeff on finishing your degree last year. That is a big achievement. Miss Chris and I both share a great fondness for books and it's just a bonus that Chris H operates a bindery. So you combine books and old, cool equipment to create them and that's a winning combination in my book........so to speak. :D Glad you enjoyed the book binding posts.

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Naw that's the Open Hiway Big Rig version with Pup Trailer.

This is the Off Road Flyer known as Big Foot.

Doug

Clearly the creator of that, um, wagon - has entirely too much time on his hands! :dunno:

Thanks for posting the picture Doug.

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I love this thread, no matter when I check in it still amazes me. The manual came out great!

It turned out even better than I had thought it might. Motown 454 you must be a glutton for punishment, you've been hanging around this thread a long time now. Thanks as always for your interest.

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I can confirm that you can learn something new every day. That binding process was unexpected, but totally welcomed. Besides using vintage machines, it showed a side of manufacturing that we live with every day, but never really thought about. I will appreciate a good hard bound book even more thanks to you, Thomas, and Chris H. Please thank him for all of us.

I know Gus is proud of the work you have done and he sits a little higher now. :thumbup:

Wingnut65 I promise to pass your sentiment along to Chris H. He's one great, talented guy and I'm fortunate to count him as a friend. ;)

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Wow, industrial machinery pictures, heroic dumpster diving, 'gifted' garage cabinetry, and a concise tool overview all in one post! You're going to spoil us, Thomas; keep it up.

Well I never thought of it that way Omphaloskeptic, but - OK then, ya cool! :)

Some more vintage , historic pictures are next up. I think you'll find them, ah, interesting.

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"I used a simple **** joint on the corners, nothing fancy..."

Not to offend, but that statement gave me a chuckle. hehehe. You would need to see my space to understand

Is that "You would need to see my space..." in a good way or a OMG way? :)

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I emailed Thomas about the Go Karts he had listed earlier in this thread . He suggested that I post some info on here , so I will go a bit deeper into it .The first kart shown , also the series of kart frames and a jig was not an uncommon thing to see back in the early days of Go Karting . There were hundreds of kart manufactures in the late 50's to early 60's .
So the Johnson karts were most likely running a the local parking lots on Sundays or at a local dirt track . The 580 West bend was a great little motor and is still a good motor for the historic class in vintage kart racing .
The second Kart is a Swoopster . A very Cool kart No original karts are known to exist to my knowledge . A couple of friends repoped two of them . I will try to include a picture of one of the repops .
Thomas said that his had a spring front end . I would think its a different model than the one I posted pix of .
If anyone has interest in vintage karting or has old karts that they want to run or if you just want to sell them contact me .

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Also check out our website for more kart info .
 
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I emailed Thomas about the Go Karts he had listed earlier in this thread . He suggested that I post some info on here , so I will go a bit deeper into it .The first kart shown , also the series of kart frames and a jig was not an uncommon thing to see back in the early days of Go Karting . There were hundreds of kart manufactures in the late 50's to early 60's .
So the Johnson karts were most likely running a the local parking lots on Sundays or at a local dirt track . The 580 West bend was a great little motor and is still a good motor for the historic class in vintage kart racing .
The second Kart is a Swoopster . A very Cool kart No original karts are known to exist to my knowledge . A couple of friends repoped two of them . I will try to include a picture of one of the repops .
Thomas said that his had a spring front end . I would think its a different model than the one I posted pix of .
If anyone has interest in vintage karting or has old karts that they want to run or if you just want to sell them contact me .

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Also check out our website for more kart info .

Hi Brian and thank you so much for the information, pictures plus the really cool link to some great vintage go kart pictures. That brought back a ton of memories. I was just obsessed with go karts back then. ;) I can tell you that around here every little town seemed to have a dirt go kart track back in the late 50's and early 60's. It was a big deal Friday and Saturday nights and Mr. Johnson made a number of those local karts. I did my fair share of racing on a dirt track with my first, Johnson built special kart. That's where I learned two things. Anywhere but being up front in first place sucked because of all the dirt flung into your face from the guy in front of you. #2- you better have a really, really good air filter on the engine or else you'll toast the rings from ingesting all that dirt. I don't even want to know how much dust I inhaled in my youth. :eek: It was just glorious!

West Bend 580 and 720 engines ruled around here until we caught on to McCulloch engines. They were more temperamental than the West Bends but certainly quicker. When the WB 820's came out that's what I eventually ran. They were easy to start (we used recoil rope to start - no battery start!) and in stock form were quite formidable.

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My second kart, the Swoopster had coil springs up front, circled in red, that I thought was just the coolest thing. There was no adjustment to them and I doubt that they did any good. Probably just a gimmick but at age 13, I was hooked! Sorry I don't have a sharper picture showing that detail. I still owned it when I graduated from high school and while I was back packing through Europe that summer before starting college, my parents sold it at an auction while I was gone. I had no idea they were going to sell it- surprise! :mad:

Anyway Brian you have provided some terrific information here, thanks again and welcome to the thread.

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Again, interesting Thomas.... what you refer to as planer or thickness planer. Is what I would call a thicknesser :)

I maybe wrong here but like you I've learnt the names from those who taught me.
 
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I sent your swoopster pix to a friend and this is what he said "The Swoopster Sprite with the enclosed axle is the rarest LMC kart of all " LMC being the manufacture .

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Thomas - We're quickly coming up to post number 5000, I hope you have something special planned for this event.
 
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I sent your swoopster pix to a friend and this is what he said "The Swoopster Sprite with the enclosed axle is the rarest LMC kart of all " LMC being the manufacture .

Brian

Wow Brian, if only Mom and Dad knew that back 40 years ago! All was forgiven though when I talked Dad into buying a 1967 Camaro SS/RS 350, 4 speed for his commuter car, which I got to drive......a lot! :) We both fell in love with that car. Butternut yellow inside and out, black hood surround stripe with hide away head lights, console with gauges. Gosh it was beautiful!! I only have one stinking picture of it with my prom date and no it wasn't Chris! Go kart pictures yes, Camaro, not so much. :sad: What was I thinkin'??

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Again, interesting Thomas.... what you refer to as planer or thickness planer. Is what I would call a thicknesser :)

I maybe wrong here but like you I've learnt the names from those who taught me.

Oh no worries Ross, you weren't "wrong" at all, just different. I find it interesting when different terms are used for the same object. Lift- elevator, tap- faucet- boot/bonnet - trunk/hood, shooting brake - station wagon, etc. Shooting brake, hummmm, I'm still having a hard time with that one. :dunno:

Well anyway, thanks again so much for the Beaulieu Motor Museum pictures and information and I promise Chris and I will let you know prior.

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Wow Brian, if only Mom and Dad knew that back 40 years ago! All was forgiven though when I talked Dad into buying a 1967 Camaro SS/RS 350, 4 speed for his commuter car, which I got to drive......a lot! :) We both fell in love with that car. Butternut yellow inside and out, black hood surround stripe with hide away head lights, console with gauges. Gosh it was beautiful!! I only have one stinking picture of it with my prom date and no it wasn't Chris! Go kart pictures yes, Camaro, not so much. :sad: What was I thinkin'??

Thomas



I still have the 70 Monte with a BB 4spd that I bought in 78 . Its been in our garage since 86 .

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I still have the 70 Monte with a BB 4spd that I bought in 78 . Its been in our garage since 86 .

Brian

Good for you Brian! Nice, rare car, not many 4 spd Montes. At this point I doubt that you'll ever let it go, right! :thumbup:

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So to continue with life in the shop, years ago. Here are a series of photographs showing a Pontiac engine rebuild in the 1970's. These were all taken in the lift room.

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I believe the cylinders are being honed here. The dark object to the right is a car on the lift covered with dark plastic sheets. In the background, covered in a pink, flowered blanket is the car hood, leaning against some shelves which...

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... is just about where these shelves are now. Most of the rebuild work was done right in this area beside the lift.

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The engine is now being reassembled and is hung on the shop made, heavy duty engine stand...

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...which still exists today in much the same form.

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The only change I've made is to install 4 proper casters. When I got the shop, this stand had 3 swiveling casters and one non-swiveling caster and when trying to move the stand it headed in every direction except the one it was pointed in. Very frustrating to move it back then, but not now. :)

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Work is nearing completion.

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Here the engine is just about complete so it was time to try it out...

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...Oh yah, it seems to run and drive just fine! :D It wasn't always hard work out there. This is by far one of my all time favorite photos from out at the old shop. A classic, capturing a wonderful, light-spirited time out there.
Note on the bottom right foreground corner, you can just see the tip of the lift front wheel chock.

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And here's the engine done, suspended from the overhead wood beam in the lift room, being reinstalled. Seen through the overhead door, above the roof of the white car outside is the end view of the shop sign out by the road.

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Here's a better view of what it use to look like just outside the lift room overhead door...

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...and what that area looks like now.

Thomas
 

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Those are great pictures of the Pontiac engine rebuild, but man, the dirt. Seems like there would at least be a clean corner of the room somewhere for the engine rebuild.
 

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...which still exists today in much the same form.

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The only change I've made is to install 4 proper casters. When I got the shop, this stand had 3 swiveling casters and one non-swiveling caster and when trying to move the stand it headed in every direction except the one it was pointed in. Very frustrating to move it back then, but not now. :)

Thomas

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Do we get to pick the color that it will be Powder Coated???
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Thanks daltonultra for the information. I did match that carb up to the mystery intake manifold a couple of weeks back, a perfect fit. I thought it was an updraft carb, but looking at your picture in wikipedia the manifold could also be part of the air cleaner . I also found out one of the older sons was a tank mechanic during his two years of service in the late 50's/early60's. Just wondering if there's any connection there. :dunno:

At some point this will probably get sorted out. Just don't know how they came to be in the building. Rather odd is all.

Thomas

Hi Thomas. I've been working my way through all the pages for the last couple of days. I wasn't going to comment until I was totally caught up, but I can't resist now.

You do realize you now have the beginnings of a tank, right? Come on, you can't just scrap the tank parts you already have. I know from everything I've read so far you normally think outside the box. Well,, forget the box. Just pick up a few more parts and you can have your very own tank. Yeah, a TANK!!!!!

(Sorry Chris - the Devil made me do it)

Mike In Virginia
 

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Hi Thomas. I've been working my way through all the pages for the last couple of days. I wasn't going to comment until I was totally caught up, but I can't resist now.

You do realize you now have the beginnings of a tank, right? Come on, you can't just scrap the tank parts you already have. I know from everything I've read so far you normally think outside the box. Well,, forget the box. Just pick up a few more parts and you can have your very own tank. Yeah, a TANK!!!!!

(Sorry Chris - the Devil made me do it)

Mike In Virginia

Sounds like you're getting ready for the revolution.:eyecrazy::wtf::bounce:
 

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Hi Thomas. I've been working my way through all the pages for the last couple of days. I wasn't going to comment until I was totally caught up, but I can't resist now.

You do realize you now have the beginnings of a tank, right? Come on, you can't just scrap the tank parts you already have. I know from everything I've read so far you normally think outside the box. Well,, forget the box. Just pick up a few more parts and you can have your very own tank. Yeah, a TANK!!!!!

(Sorry Chris - the Devil made me do it)

Mike In Virginia

Hmmmm..... a landing strip AND a TANK.... Just make a good backstop on one end of the landing strip and....
 
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Hmmmm..... a landing strip AND a TANK.... Just make a good backstop on one end of the landing strip and....

What about the drag strip? How could you forget the drag trip?! Oh, and the heliport for Clark, we can't overlook that and as I recall a swimming pool was somewhere in the mix too. No doubt about it, I need more acreage - so whadda ya think Chris, hmmmmm? :3gears:

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What about the drag strip? How could you forget the drag trip?! Oh, and the heliport for Clark, we can't overlook that and as I recall a swimming pool was somewhere in the mix too. No doubt about it, I need more acreage - so whadda ya think Chris, hmmmmm? :3gears:

Thomas

Let's see... the landing strip could double as a race track :dunno:

...and about that pool......
 
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Do we get to pick the color that it will be Powder Coated???
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That seems reasonable Joe. The engine stand stays in the old shop and I have a favorite color for my equipment in there...

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...just in case you over looked it. :dunno:

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Those are great pictures of the Pontiac engine rebuild, but man, the dirt. Seems like there would at least be a clean corner of the room somewhere for the engine rebuild.

You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Such a place never existed to my knowledge.......ever. :wtf: And yet the shop enjoyed a great reputation for good work. You just never know.

Thomas
 
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