Which Pass Thru/Go Through Sockets/Ratchets Swap/Interchange?

[retDAC]

Done. Thanks much erswill. Googled Mastercraft but there are too many Mastercrafts, so I didn't add it. Infar Industrial doesn't seem to have a website.

 

[retDAC]

Thanks again to cosmik, added Fobi to Group G. This makes 55 brand lines. Never would have expected so many even worldwide.

 

[neophyte]

I learned from the post below that Stanley Bostich offers a pass-thru socket set, part BTMT72286. This set is listed as 3/8". I presume it's probably compatible with one of the sets already listed, but I haven't seen it myself so I can't give any more details.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214400

http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp...%2D+Piece+Pass+Thru+Socket+Set+%283%2F8%94%29

Stanley Bostich also offers a larger pass-thru socket set that appears to have sockets with two different drive sizes, part number BTMT72287. This set is a 65 piece set and is listed as 3/8" and 1/2".

http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp...s+Thru+Socket+Set+%283%2F8%94+%26+1%2F2%22%29

Both sets appear to use a hex drive.

 

[retDAC]

Thanks again Neophyte. Certainly do appreciate your efforts. Bostitch went into group B3.

When I was researching that along with some other things, I ran into some other brands: Neilsen, Sealey AK6919, Repco, Spec Tools, and Powerbuilt.

Also found I needed to make some other corrections. Due to space limitations within a reply, had to move the group notes to post #1.

Everything has now been updated. List now totals 61 brand lines.

 

[retDAC]

Thanks again to member erswill, have now added TOPTUL to group A.

I also found another Hazet model. Sheesh, how many brand lines are/were there for these type sockets? This makes 63.

Is somewhat interesting to see how many there are and which swap. To me at least.

 

[retDAC]

Added Signet and HI FIVE which make 65 brand lines.

Current manufacturers I've found so far:

Taiwan
B1 Listol
B2 Hexa
B3 HI FIVE
J Kabo

US
M Reed

Germany
D Gedore

and one US owned maker with a huge factory in China

A Sata (Danaher)

 

[retDAC]

Thanks again to member erswill, added Kincrome P2025, K2046, & K2047 Go Through to Group A. Kincrome K2045 & EVA65T Go Through are still in Group B3.

Now 66 brand lines.

 

[cosmik binturong]

finally found the old SAM PTT pass-through ratchet and the couple sockets i had in Marseille: pics later in the day!

 

[cosmik binturong]

here is the crude french phone pole beast and its two double-ended sockets:

 

[retDAC]

Impressive pix, cosmik. The fonts and teeth height differ on the sockets indicating different manufacturers or different time/machinery at same mfr.

Do you happen to know whether the sockets interchange with the Facom 67 series?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FACOM-67-J3...sh=item20d32aa5f7&quantity=1&autorefresh=true

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FACOM-67-15..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item20d32a1063&vxp=mtr

 

[ChevyEFI]

Though I don't believe they're a pass-through, is there any word on the sockets interchangeable with the 11mm "1/4" drive Snap On low-clearance RAT72?

 

[cosmik binturong]

Impressive pix, cosmik. The fonts and teeth height differ on the sockets indicating different manufacturers or different time/machinery at same mfr.

i think either Facom or SAM is the socket manufacturer since there always were close ties between the two and only the ratchets were made in-house by both...

Do you happen to know whether the sockets interchange with the Facom 67 series?

yes, same specs and the same PTT contracts were awarded/split to both manufacturers so interchangeability for those tools was a contractual obligation.

 

[retDAC]

Though I don't believe they're a pass-through, is there any word on the sockets interchangeable with the 11mm "1/4" drive Snap-on low-clearance RAT72?

Thanks. I have added those to the list at F1 just for completeness and explained it in the Groups F-G Notes in post #1.

To answer your question, Mountain and Astro Pneumatic have sockets that will fit but those use a different retention design for the sockets. So they won't stay in the Snap-on ratchet. That's why I have subgroups.

There are other sellers but I happen to have a link for this one:
http://www.qualitytoolsforless.com/ProductList.aspx?OEMID=199&CategoryID=16&Search=

Never did find the importer for Mountain.

Here's the Astro Pneumatic site, but I don't recommend the sockets because they are a funky combo SAE/Metric spline
http://www.astrotools.com/default.aspx?toolsnum=7441&

 

[retDAC]

i think either Facom or SAM is the socket manufacturer since there always were close ties between the two and only the ratchets were made in-house by both...



yes, same specs and the same PTT contracts were awarded/split to both manufacturers so interchangeability for those tools was a contractual obligation.

Thank you so much again cosmik. I now have the Facom and SAM models in a separate group. I can't in good conscience put them in the same group as Armstrong/Matco as Neophyte indicated unless I get a sample to check with.

 

[cosmik binturong]

we'll have to ask Teken for that since he owns(owned?) a few sets of Armstrong Eliminators and could count and measure the toothed section, lengths, various diameters of their sockets if he does still have them.

i'm not sure that either Matco or Armstrong licensed the Facom/SAM design since their patents listed in a previous post are from around 1999 and the SAM ratchet i do have has been made in 1979 and was available for well over 15 years prior to that date...

seems more like a new, patentable, way of modernizing an old pass-through system for Danaher Corp.

 

[retDAC]

Cosmik,

I looked a pic of the pawl in the thread you linked; then I looked at the pawl in your pic. They appear different. I counted the teeth on your sockets as best I could. They seem to be 30.

I have one of the Armstrong sockets: a 3/8" drive (equivalent) with 36 teeth. Armstrong also made a 1/2" drive. If the tooth count on those is also 36, then it seems Armstrong/Matco and Facom/SAM don't swap.

What do you think?

 

[retDAC]

Thanks to member erswill have now added Pro.Point Go-Through (Princess Auto) to Group B1. Now 69 brand lines.

 

[retDAC]

Added Ultra Steel Go Through to Subgroup B1. Unfortunately it has the combined metric/SAE spline sockets denoted in Group B notes #5 in Post #1.

At present the Ultra Steel Go Through set seems only available through Walmart mail order.

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[retDAC]

Added Mastercraft Maximum Pass-Through to Subgroup B4. Unfortunately it has the combined metric/SAE spline sockets denoted in Group B notes #5 in Post #1.

Added Mastercraft Pass-Thru to Subgroup B5.

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[pauls_workshop]

This is an old thread, but just wanted to say thanks so much to all who posted this. I got a sweet deal on a recent Husky set, but it is missing quite a few useful bits. By knowing it is on the A compatibility list, I can just find the missing bits easily in another brand. Just super great GJ helpfulness here folks and why we all have to help each other! It is the right way to be a human in today's world! - Paul

 

[retDAC]

Your best chance for 'missing bits' will come in either Gearwrench/KD or Craftsman, Paul. One source for the former is Trident Supply http://www.trident-supply.com/Default.asp

They do, or did, have some kind of discount for GJ members.

 

[Stevenn1]

Thank you OP for creating this thread!
5 Stars!

Yeah the "Snap-on Industrial" Williams 50671 Bolt Thru kit & the Blue-Point BLPPTSS3822 Pass Thru kit are the exact same thing. If you break/lose a part to the Williams kit, it would be much easier to just go to the Snap-on website and order the individual Blue-Point piece you need. To get the actual Williams part you would have to find a local dealer, easier said then done in most cases. You can order sockets, ratchet, extension or adaptor. Can't order a replacement case tho. Only issue is these kits are only available in 3/8" size.

 

[retDAC]

Glad you found it useful, Steven and thanks for the pix.

 

[white 450]

I also would like to thank retDAC for the work he put into this thread. I just got the Williams/Blue Point kit and with the little use I could find for it today it I am very pleased. I was debating buying one of the Armstrong Eliminator kits that are on Ebay but after reading through this thread I am glad I chose the Williams. The ratchet feels smooth and the flex head positively locks into position. To engage the socket into the ratchet there is a simple but slick thumb slide that works great. Finish looks great and for a tool I'm sure will see very limited use it should hold up fine. Buying this set reminds me that I need to order some shocks for my Sierra.

 

[retDAC]

Updated list: current Mastercraft Maximum Pass-Through is Group A.

OLD Mastercraft Maximum Pass-Through is still B4.
Mastercraft Pass-Thru is still B5.

Belated thanks White. Be glad you didn't get one of the old Group L Armstrong/Matco kits as that design is long obsolete and replacing lost pieces would be a matter of luck. Though it was an interesting design. Added note regarding obsolescence for Groups L & O in #1.

 

[multmin]

Sorry to bump this back up, but I've watched this thread a long time and now have a question.

Does anyone have the Channellock 39100 Ultra Access Set of pass thrus? From the pictures, I cannot tell with certainty what type it is. It looks like a hex with a check ball, but what is the sizing? If anyone has it: from your measurements, is it compatible with any of the sets in the list (or a specific size box-end wrench)?

Thank you for looking into it!

 

[retDAC]

Why apologize? A reference type thread still has validity, particularly for newer members who have no idea it exists.

I don't have the set, but the pix here https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PB39K9I/?tag=atomicindus08-20
shows these are Group B1 and I have added it to the list.

Be warned: while some combo sockets/wrenches work quite well, e.g. 5/16" and 8mm; others **** like Dracula, e.g. 14mm and 9/16".

 

[Richard Cranium]

Did O-Ratchet go out of business? Does any one know who owns them.
I purchased my set from sears years ago, I had a bad socket from the get go. But I called the 800 number and they shipped me a replacement socket. I still have the set, but not the phone number any longer.

 

[retDAC]

Been out of production for a looong time. You can run a search for SUMMIT TOOLS, INC. of Denton, Tex.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103806

 

[mbshop]

good to know my matco set is obsolete. just used several times but saved my ****. unfortunately, someone took all the std sockets so I just have the metric. probably hasn't been used in 20 years, just like much of my tools. gonna keep it so my kids can figure it out.

 

[LXCam]

Well guys I'm not sure if any of this is useful or not. But I just recently acquired an Armstrong set in addition to my O'ratchet set I've had for a couple decades and figured I'd show a couple differences between the two I haven't seen mentioned in this thread.

Starting out we all bought these sets in order to utilize the pass thru function right? Well the O'ratchet set up has an opening of .477 and the Armstrong .525. .050 difference isn't much but I'm sure my wife might argue that fact




The other thing that to me that might come in handy is how much extension is available with each kit as well as how thin the assembly could be as well. The Armstrong wins in both cases by a long shot.




So I guess that pretty much sums it up. And thank OP for such a well constructed thread that outlines the particulars of the various manufacturers offerings. But had no idea there were that many sets on the market.

 

[mbshop]

Are the armstrong sockets interchangeable with the matco ones ?

 

[LXCam]

Are the armstrong sockets interchangeable with the matco ones ?

I don't know. I'd need to look at the pictures on a real computer to see if it's even close. But knowing them, it'd be a toss up between capability with either Armstrong or GW or both.

 

[retDAC]

Are the armstrong sockets interchangeable with the matco ones ?

Those designated in Group L are. Group I sockets are different.

 

[retDAC]

... So I guess that pretty much sums it up. And thank OP for such a well constructed thread that outlines the particulars of the various manufacturers offerings. But had no idea there were that many sets on the market.

You're welcome. Please keep in mind I listed by brand because a brand is not always the name of its owner and many companies simply have have their brand on what another company actually manufactured.
Also I listed every brand and style I found including foreign and obsolete, as well as brands which have, or have had, more than one design. I even listed some which have/had sockets not what we ordinarily consider to be pass-thru. So not every brand or style is current in the US.
I suppose from a purely mechanical engineering point of view, the Group L Armstrong/Matco systems should be the best for general mechanic work. However it would appear the sockets were the most expensive design.

 

[Kev442]

Napa just put their name on a GearRatchet set.

 

[retDAC]

Yes you're right. I even got that same set off CL. I didn't include Napa per se because the tools actually have GearRatchet/GearWrench on them instead of Napa.
Thanks for pointing out a possible omission though.

 

[DPDISXR4Ti]

Just stumbled across this thread. Awesome, it's just what I need. Over the summer I picked up a GearRatchet/GearWrench/Vortex 1/4" socket set, but it didn't come with a ratchet/handle. So I'm looking for one, and up until now was focused solely on GearWrench-branded stuff. The only one I found was the GearWrench 891400, available for $35.

So am I correct that any of the "A" brands/models are compatible? But are they all available in the 1/4" size? I suspect the answer is "no", as the 3/8" size seems much more common. Specific suggestions encouraged.

 

[retDAC]

"So am I correct that any of the "A" brands/models are compatible?" YES

"But are they all available in the 1/4" size? I suspect the answer is "no", as the 3/8" size seems much more common."
CORRECT. Not every brand comes/came in 1/4". At that time, that was every brand I could find, including OOB, brands not sold in US, and brands where Pass-Thru either changed suppliers/designs or was dropped. Gearwrench is/was the supplier for Group A with a few noted exceptions where other types also are/were sold under a given brand. Gearwrench has (did have?) the widest selection of drive sizes, socket size range, ratchet styles, and accessories (extensions, adaptors, etc.). There are (were?) some additional selections under Craftsman.

"Specific suggestions encouraged."
http://www.cripedistributing.com/kobalt-21-piece-1-4-flex-thru-ratchet-set-22353.html
Cripe may have this listed on eBay as well. The current Kobalts are from a different supplier so no warranty if that matters. Unless you could convince Gearwrench to replace anyway since they did make it.

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-4i...lerId=Sears&prdNo=21&blockNo=21&blockType=G21

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-4i...SellerId=Sears&prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3

 

[DPDISXR4Ti]

Thanks Dave!