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"Winner, winner, chicken dinner!" - well, someone said that, jbmatth. (The Spurlock is located in Urbana, just 5 blocks from my childhood home. Urbana and Champaign are twin-cities.) A free admission tour can be arranged - sorry I wasn't around the last time. The Philo Tavern could also be included if the timing is right. Bring your wife (and kids) along next time.

Chris

P.S. Did you sell your former house yet? Also, good work on resurrecting the cabinet maker's bench and Keller hacksaw. And adding "tools" and a tractor from family is pretty special.
 
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"Winner, winner, chicken dinner!" - well, someone said that, jbmatth. (The Spurlock is located in Urbana, just 5 blocks from my childhood home. Urbana and Champaign are twin-cities.) A free admission tour can be arranged - sorry I wasn't around the last time. The Philo Tavern could also be included if the timing is right. Bring your wife (and kids) along next time.

Chris

P.S. Did you sell your former house yet? Also, good work on resurrecting the cabinet maker's bench and Keller hacksaw. And adding "tools" and a tractor from family is pretty special.

Woo Hoo, I'll have to tell my wife that I'm a winner because Chris said so. Thank you, I'll see if I can make it up there in the future, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. We have not sold the old house yet, so making two payments is getting old quick. But I've got the new shop and lots of projects to help me keep my mind off of it, oh yeah and the many hours with the family as well. The HaSPHS (Heavy as Sin Powered Hack Saw) is being powder coated as I type this so I should have some pictures to share soon. I'm looking forward to the other acquisitions as well I'm ready for a road trip.
 

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Test!.............I've been waiting years for this test. When will we ever see this test? I hope it's before you build the new house because I don't know how many more posts I can memorize. Isn't 8445 posts enough info for a test? I hope it's multiple choice!
 

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Don't think "memorize". And, as I've said before, it's not a test you can cram for. If you've followed along for the long haul, you'll do fine. No worries!

Chris
 

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Whew, I finally made it to a current ATP!
It took me 24 days to read all 423 pages.
What an exciting journey it has been.

I originally found the thread because I did a Google Images search for "clean garage."
I'm in the process of cleaning out my 18x18 2 car garage and fixing it up so I can have room to teach my 15 year old son how to rebuild engines and perform general repairs on cars.
I started the teaching a couple of years ago.
I've told him that maybe some day he won't have the money to pay someone to fix his car and he will need to know how to fix it himself.
He has learned how to replace brake pads and shocks.
He also performs our oil changes now.

A couple of his friends were at our house complaining about getting Craftsman tools for Christmas (a couple of days early) this year from their grandmother.
They were really disappointed because they were "useless."
He told them they were crazy to complain.
He also told me to not listen to their complaints, that he loves tools for gifts.
Im glad because he was already getting some.
For Christmas he got a nice portable Craftsman tool box and some ratcheting wrenches he fell in love with during one of our trips to Sears.
 

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A couple of his friends were at our house complaining about getting Craftsman tools for Christmas (a couple of days early) this year from their grandmother.
They were really disappointed because they were "useless."
He told them they were crazy to complain.
He also told me to not listen to their complaints, that he loves tools for gifts.
Im glad because he was already getting some.
For Christmas he got a nice portable Craftsman tool box and some ratcheting wrenches he fell in love with during one of our trips to Sears.

I would've loved to get tools when I was a kid. All I ever seemed to get was clothes that were in bad taste for some reason.:shocking: You have a son that you can be proud of sir, and I wish more were like him.:thumbup:
 

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Hello Thomas,

I have just finished reading The Beltsville Shell and I have really enjoyed it.
Although I was born in the 70's, I would love to be growing up in the 60's in Beltsville.

The Beltsville Shell is now on its way to Peter/Gingger22pm. I was a bit anxious at the post-office when I handed the parcel over.:eek: But I hope it will end up safely in Scotland.

Thanks again Thomas,

Jasper
 
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Hello Thomas,

I have just finished reading The Beltsville Shell and I have really enjoyed it.
Although I was born in the 70's, I would love to be growing up in the 60's in Beltsville.

The Beltsville Shell is now on its way to Peter/Gingger22pm. I was a bit anxious at the post-office when I handed the parcel over.:eek: But I hope it will end up safely in Scotland.

Thanks again Thomas,

Jasper

Nice job with a quick turn around Jasper. Last fall it was stuck in Michigan for over 2 months! I gently requested that fellow might want to spend a little more time with it so he could finish it and I could then get it sent to waiting readers in Europe.

Jasper since you didn't grow up during the setting of the book you should know it's a broad and accurate picture of what it was like growing up in America back then. A lot of us were just mesmerized with cars of all sorts. We ate, slept and dreamed cars. Our lives revolved around them it seemed. In author Cary's town of Beltsville they were a little more affluent than most with all those Corvettes but he still did a great job of conveying the spirit of those times. Reading his book is the next best thing to actually experiencing it. :)

Now for our UK friends, has everyone sent a PM to the person in front of them on the UK list and given them their mailing address??

1. Gingger22pm
2. Seagoon
3. MisteR Tee
4. MG David
5. Armour
6. bazzateer


That way you won't be waiting for mailing information, you'll already have it. bazzateer if you deploy before BS gets to you which seems likely, you might PM Armour once you do return and then he'll mail it, keeping it until you give the OK to mail it to you. How does that all sound?

I'm going to get a post out shortly catching everyone up on some of my behind the scenes projects around here. Thanks everyone.

Thomas
 

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Now for our UK friends, has everyone sent a PM to the person in front of them on the UK list and given them their mailing address??

1. Gingger22pm
2. Seagoon
3. MisteR Tee
4. MG David
5. Armour
6. bazzateer


That way you won't be waiting for mailing information, you'll already have it. bazzateer if you deploy before BS gets to you which seems likely, you might PM Armour once you do return and then he'll mail it, keeping it until you give the OK to mail it to you. How does that all sound?

I'm going to get a post out shortly catching everyone up on some of my behind the scenes projects around here. Thanks everyone.

Thomas
Sounds like a plan. I will pm my address shortly.
 

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Pity the poor fellow who just sees this thread for the first time.......43 pages worth. That could be so daunting that they don't even bother to start.:willy_nil

Really, I didn't plan on that......it just sort of, well, grew.:dunno:

My apologies to all the new folks for that. Hey, I hope it was better than watching TV anyway!

Thomas

43 pages? its now 423!!

I've got a long way to go, so much for work getting accomplished in the coming weeks.

I'm sure i'll chime in again, but from what I've read so far, you've done an amazing job already!
 
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What a great thread! "The before" photos made me want it and the "after" photos made me want to work in it! :^)

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Whew, I finally made it to a current ATP!
It took me 24 days to read all 423 pages.
What an exciting journey it has been.......
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43 pages? its now 423!!

I've got a long way to go, so much for work getting accomplished in the coming weeks.

I'm sure i'll chime in again, but from what I've read so far, you've done an amazing job already!

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423 is long, but it is worth it!

Awesome restoration..

Oh Chris......it looks like we snagged a few more poor unsuspecting souls onto the vortex...............:dunno:

Welcome all and thanks so much for joining us. Always something going on here it seems. ;)

Thomas
 

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Made it to 110!

If I had to sum it up so far in one word, it would be Impressive.

The thoroughness you go to, to find out the history on a part or manufacturer, the effort spent on every aspect of the restoration/revamp, is nothing short of impressive
 

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Hello Thomas,

I have just finished reading The Beltsville Shell and I have really enjoyed it.
Although I was born in the 70's, I would love to be growing up in the 60's in Beltsville.

The Beltsville Shell is now on its way to Peter/Gingger22pm. I was a bit anxious at the post-office when I handed the parcel over.:eek: But I hope it will end up safely in Scotland.

Thanks again Thomas,

Jasper

Woohoo!!! Getting closer!!! :willy_nil My family will wonder what's come over me when I finally start reading it, as I rarely read any books these days, preferring magazines (mostly car orientated) or looking on the t'interweb!! Just hope it doesn't encroach on my time for rebuilding my Model T coupe or fettling my little 4-cylinder blown FED!!:dunno:
 
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Awesome car, so what does it run?

Thank you RegalX. Clearly you know quality when you see it. :D If you haven't seen this before, take a ride along....



I've run a 12.91 @ 109.26 with it.



It has all the aerodynamics of a barn door so head winds really affect it. :sad:

Thomas
 

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Excellent, that's good news. Hope the buyer realizes what a great piece of equipment they now own.

Thanks for passing the word on.

Thomas

So after looking at your Jack restoration I did a quick ebay search, call it fate, divine intervention etc but there is a Walker Jack for sale in my home town, population about 3,000, starting bid at $50

In good faith i'm posting it here, hoping no one else bids on it.

My next restoration project I think.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/antique-walker-floor-jack-/181655376157
 

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Nice!

Win light comes on in the right lane!!!!

:rocker:
 

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That jack on E-Bay goes back to the Model T days, notice the length from the place where the handle hinges to the pad where you pick up the car, also notice the short arms going to the pick-up pad, the is to get under the axle either front or rear, also that is a mechanical jack not a hydraulic. I wish you luck in getting it and also want to see pictures of the restoration of it .
 

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That jack on E-Bay goes back to the Model T days, notice the length from the place where the handle hinges to the pad where you pick up the car, also notice the short arms going to the pick-up pad, the is to get under the axle either front or rear, also that is a mechanical jack not a hydraulic. I wish you luck in getting it and also want to see pictures of the restoration of it .

Thanks for the heads up, since found out its a Walker 740, and there's a documented restoration of one on here already, much to my benefit!
 
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Thanks for the heads up, since found out its a Walker 740, and there's a documented restoration of one on here already, much to my benefit!

Stoney85, while that is a mechanical jack it is still worthy of being rescued. It looks to be very complete and Walkers in general are well made. Once restored, I think you'll find it's a useful tool and one you'll be proud to own and pass on to another generation. Keep us informed and good luck! :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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Re: Nice!

Big blocks fear the little Chevy II.



Note the bottom left. I don't always get the win light, but it's not for the lack of trying. :D

Thomas

Great story on the best of 3 race.

(The story of the L88's is heartbreaking! Run fast, you need a roll bar; no rollbars allowed in Pure Stock!)
 

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Great news, BS1 is in Scotland! It's in perfect condition and been wrapped extremely well. Arrived today at my workshop along with a kind, thoughtful present from Laro13. Thank you again Jasper, you can never go wrong with a 13mm spanner.

I'll get reading.....
 

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Thomas, this made me think of you over the weekend, thought I'd report it. Long story so settle in......

I may be telling you what you already know so forgive me but here's a little background. The Monte Carlo rally is one of the oldest, and probably most famous, rallys there is. It still runs today as part of the World Rally Championship but is a watered down version of a "classic" Monte. Back in the day there were about half a dozen start venues, you then travelled about 1000 miles or so (the concentration run)from your chosen start venue before meeting all your fellow competitors in the middle of France somewhere. You'd all then compete over a few days, and nights most of the time, as you went over virtually every mountain (or "Col", mountain road/pass) in France on your way to Monte Carlo. A quick race around the F1 circuit and a nice prizegiving at the palace saw the event finished. All very civilised but exhausting and a tremendous challenge to the pioneer, or even classic 50s - 70s, motorist.

The great news is the Monte Carlo Historique runs the week after the WRC event and copies the classic format! Google "Monte Carlo Historique" and have a look at the ACM website for more info including a fantastic entry of over 300 competitors in every European competition car you can think of, and quite a few even I couldn't! Only vehicles up to 1980 need apply. This year there were start venues in Reims, Copenhagen, Turin, Barcelona and Glasgow.

So to celebrate the Glasgow start some enthusiasts organised a tour to Reims to see the competitors start there, not a competition just a bit of exercise for our classic cars. My mate and I took a last minute notion to do this at the New Year so furiously got ready before last Wednesday nights start. We then drove through the snow to Hull for a ferry to Rotterdam, on down through Holland, Belgium and into France. Then home - 1350 miles in 92 hours at an average of 30 MPH!

My wife lent us her car to do the event, a 1969 Fiat 500. Fabulous little machine but hindered by only having 17 BHP. And on this event I think a few of our horses were lame as it wasn't performing correctly and would only attain 40 MPH rather than it's usual top speed of 54 MPH! Still we were there for fun and we were certainly enjoying the challenge.

But disaster struck in Reims when the dynamo pulley disintegrated. Despite our best efforts finding someone who could/would weld (or, to be honest, someone who was actually working) on a Saturday, in France, was impossible. But sometimes disaster brings out the best in human nature along with a large dose of luck and we got both. Through persistence eventually we met a man who knew a man who may help, he took us to his friend who had the pulley we needed. Turned out he was the President of the French Fiat 500 club! What are the chances?!

Anyway, my apologies for thread stealing: to the point - he took me to his workshop, full of 500s and various other interesting autos. He kindly welded the old pulley too even after giving me a replacement. And as I watchede him I realised he must be a GJ BB767 kind of guy: all his work benches were on castors, so was his MIG, his workshop immaculate, his workmanship was exceptional and his kindness overwhelming. Thomas, do you have a French relative?

Not up to speed with inserting photos so I'm afraid they're thumb nails but they show the little car fighting the snow and then in France, the damage to the pulley, the repair and a shot of the workshop I grabbed before leaving. I didn't think enough to take some quality shoots I'm afraid.
 

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Nice adventure Peter. I have been on a 100 mile trip in the backseat of a fiat 500. I have enjoyed it but I was also happy when it ended.:bounce:

I have been a few times to Monte Carlo and even walked the "F1 circuit" route. I just can't believe they can race with those speeds in the compact streets of an old town.:3gears:

I hope you enjoy reading the Beltsville Shell.

Jasper
 

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Stoney85, while that is a mechanical jack it is still worthy of being rescued. It looks to be very complete and Walkers in general are well made. Once restored, I think you'll find it's a useful tool and one you'll be proud to own and pass on to another generation. Keep us informed and good luck! :thumbup:

Thomas

It wont really be a tool I will use, I've got a plethora of modern tools for that reason as I used to be a mechanic then diesel fitter.

I'll restore it to better than new, and keep it as a shop piece to talk about, as I love the intricate details a tool like this has, especially that its a mechanical one too.
I'd love to come across a shed that has a history like yours, full of restorable items, however I fear my collection will be purchased and restored one item at a time, but if I can restore and pass on some tools rather than join the modern idea of use, break and replace, it will be a nice feeling.

With these mechanical jacks - once released do they rely on leverage on the handle to slow the descent or do they just 'crash' to the floor?

From what I understand, when they have weight on them, and you put it in the lowering position, you just crank the handle as you would when raising it, and it lowers in the same fashion.
 

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One other thing, regarding powder coating, a quick search shows that its only been around since the 40/50's.

What's your opinion of it in terms of longevity?
Do you feel it will be around and not deteriorated in another 100 years on a part you have restored?
Will that mainly come down to preparation and how well its cared for?
 
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How often is the "stock" condition certified? What does it entail?

Every car has to pass tech inspection at the beginning of every race event. That visual inspection consists of a person who is familiar with the make and model cars they're inspecting. They are not only checking for factory correctness i.e. correct castings, tire and wheel sizes, drivetrain components for the applicable year and no non-factory aftermarket components, but also checking basic safety as well. Items like no leaking fluids, no broken wheel studs, radiator overflow catch cans in place, seat belts that sort of thing. Cars running faster than 13.99 must have driveshaft safety loops installed.

You can voluntarily have your car certified stock if you wish. That entails going a day early and the certification process includes a partial teardown with the usual measurement of bore, stroke, chamber cc's and compression, valve size and angles, checking ports and castings, measuring the cam, etc. Plus the certification process now also includes sticking a bore scope down into the crankcase to look at the rods, pistons and crankshaft to check for light weight components; looking through the entire the car with a magnet checking for lightened or missing components. Then after you reassemble the engine at the inspection facility the engine is sealed. That certification is good for 1 year.

Now if you're running "much quicker" than you should, you are subject to on the spot "heavy tech" which can consist of any of the above. Refusal will result in disqualification for a year and the following year you'll be subject to mandatory heavy tech before you'll be able to run. We all know roughly what each car should run which means...



You won't be seeing any 1964 small block Impalas running sub 12 seconds without raising some eyebrows. Because of that I've told Cameron to make sure and take it easy. :D

I think it was Muscle Car Review recently did an article entitled "10 Reasons Muscle Run Faster Now" that did a good job of summing it up. I can post that if you're interested.

Thomas
 

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This is our newest aircraft, a Boeing 787.

You mentioned earlier you hadn't flown a 787 Dreamliner yet, has that changed?

I love the amount of modern technology they've used, 80% in volume is carbon fibre, roughly 50% in weight, titanium engine mounts and landing gear, and so on, all for weight reduction.

However, one spec I really like is the ability to increase cabin pressure and humidity, which 'should' help with jetlag
 

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From what I understand, when they have weight on them, and you put it in the lowering position, you just crank the handle as you would when raising it, and it lowers in the same fashion.

Thanks for the info! :beer:

The great news is the Monte Carlo Historique runs the week after the WRC event and copies the classic format! Google "Monte Carlo Historique" and have a look at the ACM website for more info including a fantastic entry of over 300 competitors in every European competition car you can think of, and quite a few even I couldn't! Only vehicles up to 1980 need apply. This year there were start venues in Reims, Copenhagen, Turin, Barcelona and Glasgow.

Some friends of mine have a couple of ex-works Rootes Rally Imps, one fully restored the other due for completion this summer. We plan to take part in 2017 as a team of ex-works Imps, hopefully starting in Scotland where the little cars were built. If it happens, should be good!
 

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Look forward to that bazzateer, let me know and I'll come and see you at the start! It's a fantastic event to which the Imps would be well suited.
 

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Thomas,

Thanks for the information about Pure Stock. I think it was the SCCA that ran a series called "Showroom Stock" in the 1970's or 1980's. Evidently it didn't interest racing fans.
 
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You mentioned earlier you hadn't flown a 787 Dreamliner yet, has that changed?.......

............However, one spec I really like is the ability to increase cabin pressure and humidity, which 'should' help with jetlag

If I told the answer now before you've read the whole thread that would spoil the post about me single handily flying a 787 after the whole flight crew passed out from inhaling fumes from a runaway lithium-ion battery or the time a solar flare knocked out all of our 787's GPS navigation capability over the polar ice cap and I managed to jury rig a crude sextant from a paper plate, a plastic drinking cup and some yarn and take a start sight that and saved the day........again. Aw shucks it was all in days work..........:dunno:

A very humble and modest Thomas
 
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Thomas, this made me think of you over the weekend, thought I'd report it. Long story so settle in......

Through persistence eventually we met a man who knew a man who may help, he took us to his friend who had the pulley we needed. Turned out he was the President of the French Fiat 500 club! What are the chances?!

Anyway, my apologies for thread stealing: to the point - he took me to his workshop, full of 500s and various other interesting autos. He kindly welded the old pulley too even after giving me a replacement. And as I watchede him I realised he must be a GJ BB767 kind of guy: all his work benches were on castors, so was his MIG, his workshop immaculate, his workmanship was exceptional and his kindness overwhelming. Thomas, do you have a French relative?

Great story and thank you Peter for posting it. As a true, thrifty Scot, I see you selected a car that would save on fuel costs and be most economical to operate. Very sensible for a fellow Scotsman. No worries about thread stealing here.

What would have been an absolute hoot when you were in that shop was if you said to your French gentleman part fabricator that he reminded you of...

"this guy in America who has an old restored auto shop...." and have him stop you in mid-sentance and say...

" Oui, I know this man you speak of, Thomas nes pa?, and his lovely, charming wife Chris. Such a beautiful woman ohh la la from the Center of the Universe no? C'est formidable" :beer:

I'd have been dumb stuck if that happened. :D

Thanks again Peter for sharing the story and the pictures. That looks to be a very nice, neat, organized shop. A man after my own heart, mais oui!

Thomas
 
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One other thing, regarding powder coating, a quick search shows that its only been around since the 40/50's.

What's your opinion of it in terms of longevity?
Do you feel it will be around and not deteriorated in another 100 years on a part you have restored?
Will that mainly come down to preparation and how well its cared for?

With my limited experience I can only observe that as hard as a powder coated surface is, I'd be willing to bet it'll be around at least 100 years from now. I've seen objects that were just painted last that long and powder coating is much, much more durable. As long as you've got a well prepared surface that the powder will stick to, it'll be here far longer than you or I will!

Good luck with it. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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