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Time for new wrenches, First World Problems, Hazet / Stahlwille

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Dr.JohnnyFever

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The time has come for yet another set of combo wrenches.

I have more Proto than anything, but I have moved them to the truck.

I also have sets of full polish Craftsman Pro and Kobalt that I use for beaters and loaners.

Hazet and Stahlwille have been on my list for a long time now.

I have been nothing but pleased with my Stahwille deep offsets (Stabil) and double open ends (Motor). That makes me lean toward the Open Box 14.

However, I really like the Hazet 600N also.

The indecision is almost enough to make me just get a set of Wright satin finish instead. :eyecrazy:


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Hazet 600Ns have a deeper offset on the box end which allows better clearance on tightly spaced fasteners and to me the beam is more comfortable than the Stahlwilles.
 
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Both are very nice, as you said, first world problems.

I really like the I beam besign of the Stahl, but I also think my Hazets are comfy. I don't have any of the Stahl 14s, though.

That said...

 
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I believe these two might have a design where the box end is 75 degree offset. To me this is the best of all combination wrench designs. I sell TOPTUL and they make such as set which I really like that I believe they stole from either Hazet of Gedore. Here's a link to it: http://www.toptul.com/style/frame/t...92173&content_set=color_4&rid=58091&id=325427. To me this is the best design for a combination wrench. If your going for new combination wrenches this to me is the cat's ***.
 
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dnschmidt said:
I believe these two might have a design where the box end is 75 degree offset. To me this is the best of all combination wrench designs. I sell TOPTUL and they make such as set which I really like that I believe they stole from either Hazet of Gedore. Here's a link to it: http://www.toptul.com/style/frame/t...92173&content_set=color_4&rid=58091&id=325427. To me this is the best design for a combination wrench. If your going for new combination wrenches this to me is the cat's ***.
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That is a good looking design for sure, and the texture is "German". Between the Hazet and Stahlwille, I prefer the Stahlwille. Beam shape is a subjective criteria.
 
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dnschmidt said:
and they make such as set which I really like that I believe they stole from either Hazet of Gedore.
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For some reason, I was thinking that the offset on German wrenches had to do with the DIN 3113 "Form A" and "Form B" patterns. Perhaps Monte or somebody can enlighten me on that.
 
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More so than the Proto beam or the Wright beam?
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More than the Proto, yes. I have been using the Proto's for a while now. I don't dislike them, but they are very "meh" in comfort. Not bad, not outstanding.

The Wright beam is very similar to the Proto, but I haven't used one in anger enough to develop a strong opinion.

The Hazet has a kind of rectangular beam. I initially didn't think I would like that, but it seems very comfortable in the hand as it spreads the force out better.
 
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Dr.JohnnyFever said:
More than the Proto, yes. I have been using the Proto's for a while now. I don't dislike them, but they are very "meh" in comfort. Not bad, not outstanding.

The Wright beam is very similar to the Proto, but I haven't used one in anger enough to develop a strong opinion.

The Hazet has a kind of rectangular beam. I initially didn't think I would like that, but it seems very comfortable in the hand as it spreads the force out better.
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That's interesting you find the Hazet beam comfortable even with its somewhat rectangular profile. I'd sure like to get a Cornwell wrench in your hands. That would be very interesting hearing your experiences on that.
 
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Dr.JohnnyFever said:
For some reason, I was thinking that the offset on German wrenches had to do with the DIN 3113 "Form A" and "Form B" patterns. Perhaps Monte or somebody can enlighten me on that.
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it seems DIN 3113 Form A means a 15 degree angled box end and DIN 3113 Form B a 10 degree offset box end.
 
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You're asking just about one of the toughest questions out there!

I assume you're looking at metric wrenches. If you need SAE sizes then it's got to be Hazet as Stahlwille only offer the No. 14 long series in metric.

After that, there isn't a lot to choose between! I have quite a few Stahlwille tools (most of my metric stuff is Stahlwille so I can tell metric from A/F quickly on the bench) and it's top end. Tools are really durable, especially the finish, and are a pleasure to use. I have much less Hazet, but it's certainly as good!

Differences, apart from the way the box end is offset, are really only style and finish. Stahlwille is Satin finished, which is really nice and totally different from the slightly rough 'satin' that some other manufacturers offer. It's mega durable and even seems to polish slightly as you use it, so the tools almost seem to improve with use.

Hazet is mostly matte, with some polished areas. It works really well in practice and the 600N wrenches are a joy to use. I first got some of these after a GJ member pointed out that they are almost of identical proportions to my beloved Britool (proper Britool not the current shite) long series combo's. I filled in the gaps in my set and am well happy. The Hazets have a slightly squarer beam shape, but that's about the only major difference!

I don't know much about either company, but get the impression that both are run by what the Germans would call 'serious' people, who don't piss about when it comes to manufacturing tools, and don't start cutting corners in manufacture just because some idiot accountant thinks they need to cut costs!

I just can't reccomend one over the other, so can only suggest getting one of each as a trial, and going with whatever you prefer. Doubt you will be disappointed with either!

Now, about the Wright, they look really good too...
 
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Two things I take from this.... Wrights are really short, and while I've been wanting to pick up some Hazets, I kinda dig the Stahlwilles, as well....

First world problems, indeed!
 
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Dave455 said:
Stahlwille is Satin finished, which is really nice and totally different from the slightly rough 'satin' that some other manufacturers offer. It's mega durable and even seems to polish slightly as you use it, so the tools almost seem to improve with use.
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I have notice that about my Stahlwille Stabil deep offsets. I suspect the Stahlwille finish might be more durable than the Hazet based on this photo:

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Toolaholic said (in this thread) that those scratches were just from sitting in the metal wrench rack.


However, wrenches are going to get scratched, and they are just tools. What concerns me more is what Monte said (in this thread):

Monte said:
Plus I sold my stahlwille combination wrenches because the 18mm wrench opened up under load thus I bought Hazet wrenches (600N series) and they hold up very well .
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Sounds good!
I am slowly looking for a SAE combo wrench set. A high torque set. I am unfamiliar with Hazet, but liked the test results from the wrench thread. When I get it together, I will be sure to remember your assistance.
 
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Dr.JohnnyFever said:
I was just going by what is on your website for the Hazet 600SPC/16. :dunno:


Edit to add: Ha! I saw what you just did! :)
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Yes, actually the website is based on Euro prices. The US$ conversion is done with the current paypal (!) exchange rate and higher paypal fees on US$ payments. So in any case you would be better off buying in Euro and have your cc company do the conversion and not paypal.....

Currently the exchange rate drops in your favor, but I am not reprogramming the shop every day...
 
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