The VISES of Garage Journal

[dutchgray]

Got a Parkinsons No7 from Ebay.
View media item 48581Now I have an example from the 4 most known British makers and I need to stop looking for a bit to save some money for other stuff.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

No 7s are lovely vices, I use one as my main vice and have done for years. I think Fretters does to.

 

[dutchgray]

CwazyWabbit
Its definitely got a lot of metal in it compared to a more modern vice, also very tall.
Its pretty worn, over a complete turn of slack in it, quick release bracket is bent and cracked but it works, but its not missing any big bits of the castings, only well rounded edges. Considering the age its pretty good and for just under £50 it will do.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

DutchGray
A complete turn of slack, that could be caused by the bent and cracked cover.

Do you have plans to repair the bent and cracked part?

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by 454ragtop.

VA, you mean like this one http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...28#post3960228
Think these were from after Parker bought out Prentiss?

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=340168&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1399862892

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=340169&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1399862892
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Nice vise Rag


I have a split base swivel jaw like that buried somewhere.---I'll dig it out and send some pics.---I really like all the features on those split bases.

No, I was just joshing about the Union Swivel-jaw Bulldog.---Just trying to poke the bear.

My memory is fading daily, but with what I have left, seems like those split base Prentiss's were of an older generation.---I'm probably wrong---Anybody got an (Ad).---I checked Dayid's List but found no split base.---A little help please.---B100, Outlaw, Autopts, Drives, Get, Jake, Old, Joe, anyone????

 

[Fretters]

Got a Parkinsons No7 from Ebay.
View media item 48581Now I have an example from the 4 most known British makers and I need to stop looking for a bit to save some money for other stuff.

Good choice of vice. You'll definitely not be disappointed with that one. If we had a quid for every time someone said the part in bold, we'd be able to afford another vice at least.

No 7s are lovely vices, I use one as my main vice and have done for years. I think Fretters does to.

Yup, same here. Lovely vices. Seem to be just the perfect size, sturdiness etc. for use as a good all rounder. Can't get to use mine at the moment though as I have a pedestal drill stuck in front of the bench where it sits, so I'm having to use the smaller Handy vice currently.

Its pretty worn, over a complete turn of slack in it, quick release bracket is bent and cracked but it works, but its not missing any big bits of the castings, only well rounded edges. Considering the age its pretty good and for just under £50 it will do.

As CW says, that slack is easily sorted. They do tend to have some slack in them anyhow, but you can easily shim the leadscrew to take up slack behind the front plate, if needs be, if it's not just down to that front plate being distorted.

 

[Fretters]

Anyone know what colour Fortis vices were originally painted?

From what I've seen, I think Balane is close. I'm not sure if that one I've just bought still has the original paint on it. It appears it might, from the photo I saw. I'll see if I can get the chap who's bringing it up here for me to take a photo of it, as I won't be seeing it in the flesh until April.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Cheers Sir I need to buy some paint to do the Parkinsons (going to go with the deeper red) and I'll order some of that green for the Fortis (that I'm waiting to collect) while I'm at it, one of them is rattle can silver :-/ .

Might also have a Samsonia on it's way to, I'm guessing that'll get a coat of whatever the Parkinsons get.

 

[BJ42LX]

I'm expecting a refund at any minute. I did send him a note previously to relist that vise. I'll see what happens

Relisted here for $80. Same as the CL ad. Still a deal at that price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261790923974

 

[wrenchguy]

I have a split base swivel jaw like that buried somewhere.---I'll dig it out and send some pics.---I really like all the features on those split bases.

No, I was just joshing about the Union Swivel-jaw Bulldog.---Just trying to poke the bear.

My memory is fading daily, but with what I have left, seems like those split base Prentiss's were of an older generation.---I'm probably wrong---Anybody got an (Ad).---I checked Dayid's List but found no split base.---A little help please.---B100, Outlaw, Autopts, Drives, Get, Jake, Old, Joe, anyone????

Uhhh..... wasn't that 8 1/2" bulldog sold couple week back in louisville ky a split base with ball end leadscrew? = older generation?

 

[dutchgray]

DutchGray
A complete turn of slack, that could be caused by the bent and cracked cover.

Do you have plans to repair the bent and cracked part?

I don't have the skills or equipment to fix it myself so will have to get some help with it, or buy more tools and practice brazing. This vice is far down the list, I have others that I really ought do clean and repaint first.

 

[WhoWhatNow]

Damn, turns out the guy with the metl-former is the same guy I just bought the other vise from!
The soonest he is available again is thurday, seeing what I can do

[emoji106]

 

[CwazyWabbit]

I don't have the skills or equipment to fix it myself so will have to get some help with it, or buy more tools and practice brazing. This vice is far down the list, I have others that I really ought do clean and repaint first.

If you fancy, remove the part (should just be a bolt through the front and a pin through the shaft of the qr lever where it joins the flat bar) stick it in the post to me (should be cheap enough for such a small part) and I'll straighten it and braze up the crack for you if you pay the return postage. Up to you.

 

[dutchgray]

If you fancy, remove the part (should just be a bolt through the front and a pin through the shaft of the qr lever where it joins the flat bar) stick it in the post to me (should be cheap enough for such a small part) and I'll straighten it and braze up the crack for you if you pay the return postage. Up to you.

I may take you up on that offer, but it will be the weekend before I get the time and energy to take it apart.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

No problem, just PM me when you're ready

 

[bl00]

My memory is fading daily, but with what I have left, seems like those split base Prentiss's were of an older generation.

Here's a 1939 ad describing the new spit ring base.

I think the swivel locks went in this order:
1. pull up knob
2. lever
3. small handle (like most all vises have)
4. split ring

From looking at ads there seems to be overlap depending on model. Some were still shown with the lever along side both of the later versions. Maybe Carla will get bored and look it up for us in her books.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Cwazy, did you land the No. 48?

Believe it or not I'm still working on the deal, negotiating to possibly get some other vices at the same time to make the most of the journey. He has more than 20 vices that he has sent me details of ...... so far.

Collection day arranged, road trip on Friday evening Damn I'm like a kid awaiting Santa

 

[Tritonus]

This Athol, missing the base, so PASS. Nonetheless is an odd ball size.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-BEN...838?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item541ab8609e

It is a 5 1/2 inch vise. Even though it measures closer to 5.25".

 

[drivesitfar]

B100: I agree with your list except for the split ring behind the swivel pins. i know the post going through the bench was the first swivel. then the pull pin, then lever and just not sure about the dating of the split ring and swivel pins.

i thought i had some of those Prentiss catalog pages saved, but i can't find them at the moment.

BTW has anyone ever found a date on a Prentiss vise because all my knowledge is based on catalog pages I've seen over the years?

CW: So how many vises do you own and you still are excited like a kid in a candy store when you have an appointment to buy another one? me too so you are not alone and maybe another member that posts on this thread can admit to that.

good luck

 

[dutchgray]

CW
Nice one bagging the No48 that's going to be a beast of a thing.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

At this point I'm not sure how many I own

I wonder if the 48 will replace my Parkinsons No7 as my main vice? ....

I'm also picking up some other vices at the same time which are also not particularly common

So yep, proper excited and quite likely to end up with a hernia thanks to the beast

I doubt the novelty of another different vice will ever disappear, I am after all an addict

 

[bl00]

B100: I agree with your list except for the split ring behind the swivel pins. i know the post going through the bench was the first swivel. then the pull pin, then lever and just not sure about the dating of the split ring and swivel pins.

Ok you made me go back and look. 1913 the swivel pin shows up in a Monarch ad. 1921 is the first reference I see in a regular Prentiss ad, so it looks like the swivel pin is before the lever, at least on some models. 1922 is the first reference I have to the lever and 1939 the split ring. If you would just go out and buy them all then we could figure this out.

Another thing to factor in is that the manufactures don't always seem to use current model drawings in the ads. They probably all look the same to the ad agency or marketing guy who made up the ad. So the above dates may be totally wrong.

 

[jrobb316]

CW: I thought you mentioned the 48 was the last vise before that ever important misses threshold gets reached? Or did she come around?

 

[CwazyWabbit]

CW: I thought you mentioned the 48 was the last vise before that ever important misses threshold gets reached? Or did she come around?

Well I could argue that the other vices will be purchased a few seconds before the 48 ..... leaving the 48 as the last one.

But who am I kidding? I've seen two other vices that I'm interested in ...... I'll just have to make sure they are collect only and get moved to the workshop after dark


Also I've appeased her somewhat with some new kitchen 'tools' she's been after

 

[Thrumcap]

Good day

Can anyone shed some light on the specs of a Hollands 70 vise? Looks big, has swivel base.

Thanks,
Thrumcap

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Good day

Can anyone shed some light on the specs of a Hollands 70 vise? Looks big, has swivel base.

Thanks,
Thrumcap

7" Jaws 220 lb

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2625189&postcount=2

 

[McBrownie]

Good day

Can anyone shed some light on the specs of a Hollands 70 vise? Looks big, has swivel base.
Thanks,
Thrumcap

I think they are snow-proof too.

 

[joe.striper]

Phase one of my quest is complete. Picked up this little 6" Prentiss Bulldog, model 65 I believe. The oddest thing though when i pulled up to the farmers barn he had not only this vise but this cute anvil too!

It has surface rust so reading the name in the bad light was tough but it passed the bounce test beautifully and it is in decent shape. So on a flier bought both for $300 total.

Best part was when I put the anvil on its side to get a better grip on it the light from a bare 60 watt incandescent bulb 20 feet away showed the anvil maker in clear relief....Peter Wright! A 112 lb Peter Wright. My first anvil.

Tomorrow night is phase two...more to come

 

[va.grouseman]

Thanks Wrench, B100, and Drives, for the input.---Kind of shows you that the Prentiss time line is a tough one to nail down.---But if everyone tosses in a little something, maybe a solid picture will emerge.

Wrench, you are right.---I forgot about that big boy the other day.---I guess that's the biggest split base I've ever seen.---Was it ever posted who won that beast.---If it was I missed it.

 

[CwazyWabbit]

Joe: Nice anvil Must get one some day myself!

 

[autopts]

Phase one of my quest is complete. Picked up this little 6" Prentiss Bulldog, model 65 I believe. The oddest thing though when i pulled up to the farmers barn he had not only this vise but this cute anvil too!

It has surface rust so reading the name in the bad light was tough but it passed the bounce test beautifully and it is in decent shape. So on a flier bought both for $300 total.

Best part was when I put the anvil on its side to get a better grip on it the light from a bare 60 watt incandescent bulb 20 feet away showed the anvil maker in clear relief....Peter Wright! A 112 lb Peter Wright. My first anvil.

Tomorrow night is phase two...more to come

2 beautiful pieces Joe. That Prentiss is super old. Looks like its BCRJ (before channeled replacement jaws) ha

 

[drivesitfar]

Joe: nice pair to come away with at that stop. can you take a close up of the PW and weight marks and maybe post with more pictures of that awesome Prentiss? if it's a 112 pound anvil are the weight marks 1 0 0??

B100: i actually think i own one of each of those Prentiss, but since they didn't date their vises we are still at the mercy of the catalogs. i'll have to get a Prentiss family picture sort of like GROO's (Get's new retired name) Parker family he posted a month or two ago.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Ok you made me go back and look. 1913 the swivel pin shows up in a Monarch ad. 1921 is the first reference I see in a regular Prentiss ad, so it looks like the swivel pin is before the lever, at least on some models. 1922 is the first reference I have to the lever and 1939 the split ring. If you would just go out and buy them all then we could figure this out.

Another thing to factor in is that the manufactures don't always seem to use current model drawings in the ads. They probably all look the same to the ad agency or marketing guy who made up the ad. So the above dates may be totally wrong.

The two I have with split ring bases have the newer spindle knob like the Columbians to the right in the ad. I have a 515 that has the skinny middle spindle knob as shown in the ad.

 

[macgee]

In the past some of you mentioned a strong interest in finding a Emmert 6A vise.

There is one currently For Sale on eBay. Looks like it's in nice condition. I would love to have one of these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emmert-6A-vise-vice-/301541025286?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:1120

 

[drivesitfar]

Mac: nice to see you posting again. back from Vise rehab or the hospital from trying to lift the 300 pound Craftsman vise you found?

seriously i think that is Joe's Emmert vise he did an awesome job restoring, but his wife won't let him keep it on their kitchen counter any longer and he won't put it in the cold wet garage.

 

[joe.striper]

In the past some of you mentioned a strong interest in finding a Emmert 6A vise.

There is one currently For Sale on eBay. Looks like it's in nice condition. I would love to have one of these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emmert-6A-vise-vice-/301541025286?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:US:1120

the Emmerts are a great vise, and I've seen that particular vise in person but I have to warn you the seller is an 'A' hole.

 

[joe.striper]

Joe: nice pair to come away with at that stop. can you take a close up of the PW and weight marks and maybe post with more pictures of that awesome Prentiss? if it's a 112 pound anvil are the weight marks 1 0 0??

These pics are from the back of my pickup so they are pretty lousy. I got out of the barn ASAP once I discovered it was a Peter Wright. Yes it is marked 1 0 0 and the name is across the top with the standard Peter Wight circular name on the side.

once I get better pics I'll move it to the Anvil thread.

The Prentiss jaws are channeled and the vise is SO clean. The anvil is pristine and the slide never saw a hammer. I wasn't going to buy the vise but it was crack and I am Whitney Houston...

 

[millipede]

I have been restoring this Columbian D44 M2 I found off craigslist. I still need to put black letters/numbers on it and assemble the thing. I've been working hard on taking off all the rust, and paint on it. but here is a before and after so far.

 

[jrobb316]

Joe: nice pair to come away with at that stop. can you take a close up of the PW and weight marks and maybe post with more pictures of that awesome Prentiss? if it's a 112 pound anvil are the weight marks 1 0 0??

B100: i actually think i own one of each of those Prentiss, but since they didn't date their vises we are still at the mercy of the catalogs. i'll have to get a Prentiss family picture sort of like GROO's (Get's new retired name) Parker family he posted a month or two ago.

When I picked up my first Prentiss 20 the woman told me it was her grandfathers, and she was probably 60. She said it dated about 1920. Of course it's all speculation. It has the swivel lock with the super tough lift button.

 

[balane]

Great color millipede! Looks super. Would you mind telling me what brand and shade that paint is? Thanks.