wrenchguy
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Does anyone know any specifics about a ROCK ISLAND 98? Thanks.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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CwazyWabbit
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This was the start of a slippy slope, still my favourite and use it all the time.
That's a very nice vice
Did you restore it?joe.striper
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Picked these up today. Craftsman 5198 with missing jaw support. I'm sure someone here could use it. I couldn't leave it there.
Vanderman #1 with what may be a factory table? Heavy, heavy table construction with center bolt so it can rotate.
$100 for both.
Vanderman #1 with what may be a factory table? Heavy, heavy table construction with center bolt so it can rotate.
$100 for both.
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bigcaddy
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Vandermans all have a slight raised collar at the base so they can be mounted on a base or truck bed. It makes them a pain to be mounted on a bench but they were many for in the girls use by pipe fitters.
That's a beast of a vise, Joe . I almost have as many of those as I do Craftsman 51xx vises and don't like moving them at all. I think I posted some pictures on here long ago of them but if I get a chance, I'll take another.
As for the Craftsman, you found the only one ever used in the world . I don't think I've ever seen one that beat\damaged and its hurts me to see it like that. Did you happen to see a date on the slide? If its a 1956, somebody is really going to want it
bagged89s10
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Nice I saw that one. Glad you grabbed that one. Did you see this one?
Prentiss vise $80
http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/tls/4944591318.html
~Veeps
joe.striper
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Veeps I saw that but i have a lot like that. Fixed bases i like 5.5" and bigger. I also got this tonight, an old Reed 403 1/2. Paid 140 but I liked it alot.
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joe.striper
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my apologies to everyone here. The Craftsman is a 5196 NOT a 5198....sorry.
jakemac
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The answer is yes. I can answer for Joe on this one (It's on my bench at the moment). There are no cracks. This is in better condition than the pictures show. It's one sweet vise (even if it is a little bitty 3 1/2"er
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Wilton C1 - more work
Today I re-assembled the Wilton C1 I have been cleaning up and refreshing.
The swivel nuts were beat up, and one handle was missing and the other bent and mangled (in foreground below), so I turned the nuts in the lathe to clean them up, and made new handles for them.
A curious thing, I learned while doing this. One of the swivel bolt holes is closer to the body of the vise than the other. After I made the first handle and it fit well, I made the second, and found that it hit the vise body when turning it. So, I had to re-turn the ends on both to make the heads thinner and more domed to clear when turning.
I found some nice stainless screws in stock for the screw retainer clip:
Made new pins for the rear cap retainers, and assembled the rear, along with the shined up cover:
Now I just need some new jaw inserts. I think I'll make some aluminum ones for now, then buy some of the cross-hatched hard ones.
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Today I re-assembled the Wilton C1 I have been cleaning up and refreshing.
The swivel nuts were beat up, and one handle was missing and the other bent and mangled (in foreground below), so I turned the nuts in the lathe to clean them up, and made new handles for them.
A curious thing, I learned while doing this. One of the swivel bolt holes is closer to the body of the vise than the other. After I made the first handle and it fit well, I made the second, and found that it hit the vise body when turning it. So, I had to re-turn the ends on both to make the heads thinner and more domed to clear when turning.
I found some nice stainless screws in stock for the screw retainer clip:
Made new pins for the rear cap retainers, and assembled the rear, along with the shined up cover:
Now I just need some new jaw inserts. I think I'll make some aluminum ones for now, then buy some of the cross-hatched hard ones.
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Should be a fixed base, smooth cast in jaw, possibly 8" er
I have a 94 (4.5" jaw). I know the 97 is a 6" That 98 is a big b@$tard.
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wrenchguy
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Knowing jaw width & weight??? those r the big questions now!
Maybe someone with brochure will chime in.Thank u 4 ur help.
KMScott
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I had some time today to practice on a some hard inserts casted into this Holland 3-1/2. The jaws are smooth but were not matching very good and the edges had chips. One way is to set the vise up on a mill and using a carbide end mill you could cut the faces but that way applies more tool pressure and the cut is not as parallel as I like. Another way is to use a surface grinder and use the side of the wheels what we call side wheel grinding. This I believe is the easiest and best way to reface these jaws.
After dressing the wheel and aligning up the vise I started facing the jaws and you can see how they were not very parallel, more material came from the bottom. It took .025 to clean up the faces, and clean some chips from the top edges. The sparks look like oil hard tool steel to me, and I still would like to know how they casted those hard inserts in and they stay there with all the clamping pressure they have seen.
After dressing the wheel and aligning up the vise I started facing the jaws and you can see how they were not very parallel, more material came from the bottom. It took .025 to clean up the faces, and clean some chips from the top edges. The sparks look like oil hard tool steel to me, and I still would like to know how they casted those hard inserts in and they stay there with all the clamping pressure they have seen.
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Outlawmws
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More amazing work KM!
KMScott
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Thanks Outlaw, only took a hour from beginning to end, I have bigger and rougher vises down the road.
balane
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Kevin, as I've stated dozens of times, you never cease to amaze me. I don't of anybody in the country doing better machine work on vises than you are. Fantastic.
bl00
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Knowing jaw width & weight??? those r the big questions now!
In 1920:
The 98 was a 7" jaw @ 210 lbs
The 67 was the 8 incher @ 286 lbs
MoparTrucks
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Re: Wilton C1 - more work
I have an old Rock Island in about the same shape you started with Steevo...what was that final finish on yours? I really like the grey.Today I re-assembled the Wilton C1 I have been cleaning up and refreshing.
The swivel nuts were beat up, and one handle was missing and the other bent and mangled (in foreground below), so I turned the nuts in the lathe to clean them up, and made new handles for them.
A curious thing, I learned while doing this. One of the swivel bolt holes is closer to the body of the vise than the other. After I made the first handle and it fit well, I made the second, and found that it hit the vise body when turning it. So, I had to re-turn the ends on both to make the heads thinner and more domed to clear when turning.
I found some nice stainless screws in stock for the screw retainer clip:
Made new pins for the rear cap retainers, and assembled the rear, along with the shined up cover:
Now I just need some new jaw inserts. I think I'll make some aluminum ones for now, then buy some of the cross-hatched hard ones.
Before:
Steevo
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balane
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That's great work Steevo.
FMC1959
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Found this recently on PM while searching for some Rock Island info for WG's # 98. On the thread it was stated that RI made these vise for Atlas. Just above the pictured combination vise they list some heavy chipping vises. The 8 1/2" at 345 lbs. would likely also be the Craftsman 5168.
Sold by RI, CMAN, and Atlas, there's got to be a couple hiding in somewhere big and old....like an old rail/ship yard, electrical plant or similar ?
Sold by RI, CMAN, and Atlas, there's got to be a couple hiding in somewhere big and old....like an old rail/ship yard, electrical plant or similar ?
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Dibs! I call dibs!
oldldh
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You've got my attention...
I found another 51XX series with a broken Dynamic jaw support (See photo---)...
That one has been rode hard, and put up wet!!!
I feel better, now...
I want to be able to do stuff like that, when I grow up!!!
Reverend Scott---Ya Dun Gud, Bubba!!!
I've heard a rumor of a " Huge Vise" in one of the Shrimp Boat Yards over in Bayou La Batre...(The rumor says it is the "biggest Craftsman I ever saw"...but that it's not for sale...)...Trying to pin down its exact location, and at least get a photo...
But no joy...
Yet...
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I don't remember the source...
But...
I found the other vise photo in my archives, and I wondered what happened to it...
It's an American Scale Red Seal/9 inch jaws/opens 14 inches/36 inches long/17 inches high/18 inch base diameter...
And weighs 400 pounds!!!
Does anyone know it's whereabouts???
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balane
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The 5197 I refinished had a hairline vertical crack on each side of the slide support where they meet the main part of the body. They were very small but, still, they were present. From what I've seen I definitely consider this the weak point of these vises and possibly played a role in their demise. Since nobody knows for certain I'll just go ahead and blame Reed/Rock Island/Columbian/Starrett Hmmm.... Reeck Columbarrett Vise Co.
That's a very nice vice
I did restore it. Nothing too intense, just a strip down, clean and repaint. I like to keep as much originality as is practical. I'd like another sheet metal vice but nothings turned up yet in blighty, these US fella's have wonderful variety.
Some kind of bulk palleted exchange perhaps? We'll send Records in exchange for Reeds, Parkers etc
topop101
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I don't remember the source...
But...
I found the other vise photo in my archives, and I wondered what happened to it...
It's an American Scale Red Seal/9 inch jaws/opens 14 inches/36 inches long/17 inches high/18 inch base diameter...
And weighs 400 pounds!!!
Does anyone know it's whereabouts???[/QUOTE]
I'd trade my first born for that red seal
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=429858&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1427608274
I don't remember the source...
But...
I found the other vise photo in my archives, and I wondered what happened to it...
It's an American Scale Red Seal/9 inch jaws/opens 14 inches/36 inches long/17 inches high/18 inch base diameter...
And weighs 400 pounds!!!
Does anyone know it's whereabouts???
[/QUOTE]I'd trade my first born for that red seal
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=429858&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1427608274
CwazyWabbit
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1NRO: We do get some US stuff turn up on ebay occasionally, there have been a Yost and two Sawyer vices recently but they do try get premium prices, probably 3 to 4 times US prices.
Your vice looks like a coachmakers vice.
Your vice looks like a coachmakers vice.
CwazyWabbit
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Anyone you seen this before ?
It's a jaw from the Wilson Riley vice I'm currently working on, if you look carefully it's made of two parts. What appears to be a soft backing with a hard facing, and one seems to have been eroded more than the other. I noticed the erosion on the other jaw but it's more obvious on this one.
It's a jaw from the Wilson Riley vice I'm currently working on, if you look carefully it's made of two parts. What appears to be a soft backing with a hard facing, and one seems to have been eroded more than the other. I noticed the erosion on the other jaw but it's more obvious on this one.
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vintage nut
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It's funny, in canada we have loads of the standard records, but almost no old American vises. See the odd one, but like maybe one every year
you can never have too many tools
you can never have too many tools
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Oldldh.
I don't remember the source...
But...
I found the other vise photo in my archives, and I wondered what happened to it...
It's an American Scale Red Seal/9 inch jaws/opens 14 inches/36 inches long/17 inches high/18 inch base diameter...
And weighs 400 pounds!!!
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B100 posted a Red Seal on page 68, post 1354.---weighed 350lbs approximately.---Dementions aren't quiet as big as the one Old posted, but I'd take either one.
I don't remember the source...
But...
I found the other vise photo in my archives, and I wondered what happened to it...
It's an American Scale Red Seal/9 inch jaws/opens 14 inches/36 inches long/17 inches high/18 inch base diameter...
And weighs 400 pounds!!!
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B100 posted a Red Seal on page 68, post 1354.---weighed 350lbs approximately.---Dementions aren't quiet as big as the one Old posted, but I'd take either one.
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bigcaddy
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The rear jaw is a pivoting jaw and can be removedd. I've seen the repairs before and its usually done because the jaw is broken internally ad it will not hold under pressure. I would pass on the vise unless you are close by and can inspect it closely. It might just be the limiting pin ismissing
wrenchguy
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thank u.
trainman1385
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If I wanted to have a new handle made for a vice who or sheer do I go for this? I have a Columbian woodworking vice that could use a new handle
flavc3
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damn i was worried about that......thing is its hard to find american steel up here.....that was the first parker in about 4 months of looking.
So does it look like someone drilled into the vise to bolt that plate on or did they use existing holes??
You know before thumbing through this thread I could have gone home without this vise! Instead, picked it up, wiped it off, bolted it down to use it, just needs a little lube. Parker 433 1/2, wish it had the original swivel lock bolt and wrench, anyone got an extra?
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Craptain
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For a woodworking vise you should have a wooden handle. A piece of dowel is good. For the ends I turned a couple of knobs and glued them on. A wood vise does not need the strength of a steel handle.
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bigcaddy
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The might of tapped the existing hole for the pin and drilled another to attach the plate. Either way, its got a break somewhere on that thing
drivesitfar
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Balane: Reeck Columbarrett Vise Co is probably not too far off as the maker of the Craftsman 519x's because it does have a bit of each of them.
Flav: where are you located and you might go in your profile and put an area or city and state in your profile. that is an "old school" fix for big cast if they didn't want to or weren't able to braze it. Since a lot of guys in the past didn't even know that the static jaw should swivel it might have been a fix to stop it from moving any. or it could have broke like BC mentioned. if it is cheap enough i'd buy it for parts and it probably could be used as an outdoor vise until you needed the parts (main screw, vise nut, dynamic, swivel base and holders, and swivel jaw pin just to name a few).
Steevo: if the old jaws fit you might consider putting those back on your Wilton C1 and buying some Wilton 6 inch copper jaw covers on Ebay for $35 and trimming them to fit your 4.5 inch jaw and use them all the time like i do on a few of my vises. very nicely done on the rehab sir.
Veltex: welcome to the vise thread and nice vise. hard to beat a Parker combo vise so happy hunting for the missing parts and bigger and better vises.
Flav: where are you located and you might go in your profile and put an area or city and state in your profile. that is an "old school" fix for big cast if they didn't want to or weren't able to braze it. Since a lot of guys in the past didn't even know that the static jaw should swivel it might have been a fix to stop it from moving any. or it could have broke like BC mentioned. if it is cheap enough i'd buy it for parts and it probably could be used as an outdoor vise until you needed the parts (main screw, vise nut, dynamic, swivel base and holders, and swivel jaw pin just to name a few).
Steevo: if the old jaws fit you might consider putting those back on your Wilton C1 and buying some Wilton 6 inch copper jaw covers on Ebay for $35 and trimming them to fit your 4.5 inch jaw and use them all the time like i do on a few of my vises. very nicely done on the rehab sir.
Veltex: welcome to the vise thread and nice vise. hard to beat a Parker combo vise so happy hunting for the missing parts and bigger and better vises.
You know before thumbing through this thread I could have gone home without this vise! Instead, picked it up, wiped it off, bolted it down to use it, just needs a little lube. Parker 433 1/2, wish it had the original swivel lock bolt and wrench, anyone got an extra?
Very nice. There is a guy on my local CL selling a #2 wrench for $45. There is also two currently on ebay. As far as the bolt goes, I need one of those too for a parker I have, once I get a wrench (#3) i'll look for a bolt or to have one made.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-Mach...685?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d56e9ed15
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-CHARLES...366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2f9e492e