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Hiball

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You must not be in a "right to work" state. I could fire people because it's...Tuesday, or cloudy, or whatever.

"Right to work" laws have nothing to do with "at will employment".

If your employees wherent working under some sort of collective bargaining agreement, (unionized) with or without "Right to Work" your could terminate at will, unless your live in a state that doesn't recognize "at will employment", Not even sure if there are any left.
 
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"Right to work" laws have nothing to do with "at will employment".

If your employees wherent working under some sort of collective bargaining agreement, (unionized) with or without "Right to Work" your could terminate at will, unless your live in a state that doesn't recognize "at will employment", Not even sure if there are any left.

Thank you for clearing that up! I misspoke and there is a big difference. I am in Indiana which is both and "reversed" the terms.
 

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Can you present some facts, to back up your claim? Thanks

Hexavalent Chromium Testing
Audiometric Testing
CO2 Testing
Homeland Security Tier II Audit Reports
Fire Suppression Inspections (I mean Hydrant Colonoscopy)
DOT Compliance
Right to Know

These are just a few we PAY for...grant it there needs to be some checks and balances but it has gone a little overboard in the last 20 years.

I mean Audiometric Testing??? My guys can crank their Stereos in their car, go to concerts and blow their ear drums all to hell but I need to pay to test for this because they work in a department that requires Ear Protection???
 

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Hexavalent Chromium Testing
Audiometric Testing
CO2 Testing
Homeland Security Tier II Audit Reports
Fire Suppression Inspections (I mean Hydrant Colonoscopy)
DOT Compliance
Right to Know

These are just a few we PAY for...grant it there needs to be some checks and balances but it has gone a little overboard in the last 20 years.

I mean Audiometric Testing??? My guys can crank their Stereos in their car, go to concerts and blow their ear drums all to hell but I need to pay to test for this because they work in a department that requires Ear Protection???

Fair enough, but fire depression tests, or CO2 testing, costs more than employee labor? That was your original statement.

Trucking companies have plenty of regulations and licencing, but employing one driver might cost them $90,000+ per year in wages and benefits.

My guys can crank their Stereos in their car, go to concerts and blow their ear drums all to hell but I need to pay to test for this because they work in a department that requires Ear Protection???

This could be the Company's insurer requirement, to CYA.
 

T45

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Fair enough, but fire depression tests, or CO2 testing, costs more than employee labor? That was your original statement.

Trucking companies have plenty of regulations and licencing, but employing one driver might cost them $90,000+ per year in wages and benefits.



This could be the Company's insurer requirement, to CYA.

These commenst seem to not reflects how the real world works...there's all kinds of hassle involved for management, from increasing the number of FTEs, to legal and liablility issues, to the composition of the overal management structure...etc.

Removing brain damage simplifies operational implemenations, makes the company for capable of focus, provides for more time (brains) on innovation and basic business execution etc.

That's not to dismiss the goals of some of regs--worker safety is not a trivial thing to get right--for example.

But US regulatory frameworks are quickly captured by special interests...ie, the new rules are designed to keep govt' departments busy, and to line the pockets of special interest groups like consultants, lawyers, and insurance companies that give the elected people money...and then of course line their pockets from all of the read tape and fear the regulations bring about ("compliance" anxiety).
 
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Fair enough, but fire depression tests, or CO2 testing, costs more than employee labor? That was your original statement.

Correction, it was not my statement. You asked, and I shared some of our cost centers for regulation. Each one individually does not cost more than labor but combine they are like having 1-2 more employee(s) that produces nothing.

Now that I shared with you the reality of compliance, can you share with me 1 thing the Government has done to make us more competitive on a global scale?

This could be the Company's insurer requirement, to CYA.

This is an OSHA Health driven requirement. Please explain how this would CMYA should said employee shoot without hearing protection or go to concerts?

But US regulatory frameworks are quickly captured by special interests...ie, the new rules are designed to keep govt' departments busy, and to line the pockets of special interest groups like consultants, lawyers, and insurance companies that give the elected people money...and then of course line their pockets from all of the read tape and fear the regulations bring about ("compliance" anxiety).

This is the real reason behind over regulation. Follow the money...
 

zendriver

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To zendriver,

Don't know how old you are, but that's how 17 years old brats behave before the useless internet fora took over.

Cheers!

You have 15 posts here, but you are an expert on everything. You'll fit right in here. :)

My request was sincere, believe it or not, because every business I have ever been involved in, labor was way more expensive, than anything in a business, other than production materials, certainly more than regulatory costs, unless it involved a tiny number of employees.
 

TorKe

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I'm posting using an American made telegraph machine. Don't mind me.
 

turnthewrench

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I don't doubt your sincerity, my apologies ... for real :)

No, I don't know much about *anything*, literally. Much less about tools and mechanic's stuff. Almost as much as you know about why people do what they do.

Cheers Bud!
 
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