snap-on has a new air impact in development

[hautpot]

looks to be a plastic body and is suggested to replace the MG725

PHOTO SOURCE: UNKNOWN

 

[stikman56]

I've seen that on ebay , a couple weeks ago. Don't remember a thing about it though. I like the looks of the thing, pretty short, handle looks comfortable.

 

[dnschmidt]

Snap-On, and probably every tool company on earth, has a new impact in development. What would be news would be if they didn't.

 

[Sugarfryz]

Where did you get this pic? I'm very interested. I wanna know the numbers lol

 

[Skin]

Sioux released theirs last year though I presume the Snap-On one will be up-rated a bit. Still a permanently lubricated oil bath design, dial on the back like an IR, and side/side directional like cordless. Fairly certain they ported over the recently updated MG725 hammer/anvil. I was wondering when we'd see a Snap-On version.

http://www.siouxtools.com/kSuite/cmsLite/content/file/SiouxLit/Assembly/ZML0183_IW500_RE.pdf

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIOUX-1-2-A...:g:MiUAAOSwax5Yp0i4&item=172548493276&vxp=mtr

I still think it qualifies as news because Snap-On hasn't had a new air impact in a few years. How often do you hear Desoutter releasing a new impact? On the other hand you have AirCat, Ingersollrand, etc coming out with a new impact quite frequently. So from a company where air impacts are not their strong suit, lets see what snap-on has to offer.

IR is actually over due for a new impact and i'd disagree that they release them often. 2135timax was out for over 10 years before the 2235 finally came out however we're still waiting for a refresh to the 2115. I believe this would be the MG725s 9th or 10th year as well.

 

[gdocktor3]

I've seen that on ebay , a couple weeks ago. Don't remember a thing about it though. I like the looks of the thing, pretty short, handle looks comfortable.

I just checked Snap On's website and they didn't have any so how was it on eBay?

 

[MattPersman]

well looks like its a Sioux similar to how they use the air drills and other stuff. The Snap-On dealer that posted this to instagram said it hasn't been released and pricing is not known yet. Im hoping it will be made in America, under $300 MSRP, and comes in a stubby version.

Keep hoping. Probably similar price to the 725 unless this is a stubby impact then it will be 350 ish.


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[gdocktor3]

Wonder how long it will take until it ends up in the Harbor Freight showdown flyer...

 

[TorKe]

I'll be that guy:


COO?

 

[sld961]

I'll be that guy:


COO?

Country of origin

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[TorKe]

Country of origin

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I was asking what the coo is.

 

[sld961]

I was asking what the coo is.

Yep, I misread that, just ignore me.

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[Skin]

I was asking what the coo is.

Mostly USA, same as the MG series. Imported bearings and some O-rings but pretty much everything else is domestic.

 

[Loscaldazar]

At 780 ft-lb, I hope the Snap On version is more powerful than the Sioux! The IR2235 is 930 ft-lbs!

 

[Skin]

Its called PT850 so I suspect 850 will be its max torque. That's generally how their most recent naming scheme works anyway. In fairness to anyone thinking it should be more powerful it looks to be half an inch shorter and 6 ounces lighter than the 2235. Its still a giant move in the right direction considering the number 1 complaint with SO impacts by far is their ergonomics and weight distribution.

 

[Loscaldazar]

Fair enough, it will be a step forward!

 

[ADSR]

I'll keep my proto, thanks

 

[stikman56]

I just checked Snap On's website and they didn't have any so how was it on eBay?

Don't know, but I know I saw one on there. That's all I can tell you.

 

[Schurkey]

If the "MG" in MG725 stands for magnesium in the housing, does the "PT" in PT850 stand for "plastic tool"?

I hate plastic air tools. I'll accept a metal case with a foam or synthetic rubber overlay; I've chilled my hands too often using air tools that went cold from the expanding air in the motor.

I just hate to see the world fill up with more damn plastic; and then be told that it's a Space-Age Miracle Composite--as if it wasn't a cost-cutting trick.

 

[Local]

They must be tired of the harbor freight earthquake ads.

 

[gdocktor3]

If the "MG" in MG725 stands for magnesium in the housing, does the "PT" in PT850 stand for "plastic tool"?

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Let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
It could be plutonium-titanium....

 

[WhiffySpark]

I'll be buying one. I was about to buy another 725 but I'll hold off.

 

[KWtech90]

Its called PT850 so I suspect 850 will be its max torque. That's generally how their most recent naming scheme works anyway. In fairness to anyone thinking it should be more powerful it looks to be half an inch shorter and 6 ounces lighter than the 2235. Its still a giant move in the right direction considering the number 1 complaint with SO impacts by far is their ergonomics and weight distribution.

How is the ear splitting brutal loudness of the mg725 not the #1 complaint? Do people just equate noise with power? It's not even possible to hold a conversation anywhere in the shop with one of those things running! It's not even fair to call the mg725 an impact gun because it's really just a professional grade noise maker.

 

[bobcatdan]

Considering how long the mg725 has been around with no updates that I know of, it's about time. I have no complaints about mine, been going for at least 8 years. That said if I was in the market, I'd shop around just because in 8 years other impacts have come out.

 

[Skin]

How is the ear splitting brutal loudness of the mg725 not the #1 complaint? Do people just equate noise with power?

Yes. IR sells more basic impacts than quiet models too despite the dba being significantly lower for only 5-10% performance loss. A basic timax is pretty close to being as bad as the 725.

If the "MG" in MG725 stands for magnesium in the housing, does the "PT" in PT850 stand for "plastic tool"?

I hate plastic air tools. I'll accept a metal case with a foam or synthetic rubber overlay; I've chilled my hands too often using air tools that went cold from the expanding air in the motor.

I just hate to see the world fill up with more damn plastic; and then be told that it's a Space-Age Miracle Composite--as if it wasn't a cost-cutting trick.

Pretty sure its just Snap-On simplifying to "Pneumatic Tool". PT1800 isn't plastic nor are the die grinders which all start with PT. Still, the body is a plastic composite but most are anymore since they're just as durable as metal and lighter. How many cracked housings do you see on beat on IR tools? I don't hate the magnesium alloy housing but what I don't like is how terrible they look after some good use. Cosmetically my composite stuff holds up a lot better.

 

[SMKS]

I've seen that on ebay , a couple weeks ago. Don't remember a thing about it though. I like the looks of the thing, pretty short, handle looks comfortable.

Since it hasn't been released, I'm going to guess you're confusing it with the similar looking electric impacts.

If you're convinced you saw one on ebay, you should be able to find it by doing an advanced search and looking through the completed listings.

 

[Sugarfryz]

That cordless looks nothing like what the op posted.

 

[Sugarfryz]

Op where did you get the pic?

 

[md21722]

Two places of I heard of this are putting it at 1,600 ft-lbs breakaway. Should be interesting when it hits the market.

 

[Keel]

Two places of I heard of this are putting it at 1,600 ft-lbs breakaway. Should be interesting when it hits the market.

love these claims, I.R. with 900+ and this.

in a 1/2 drive impact..

 

[anndel]

Two places of I heard of this are putting it at 1,600 ft-lbs breakaway. Should be interesting when it hits the market.

Only then will the Harbor Freight floodgate of comparisons/better than Snap On will open.

 

[napa68]

I believe this is the impact that was left by one of my customers to evaluate.

HE LOVED IT!

 

[gdocktor3]

I can't say how credible this comment is, but one gentleman online says this about the PT850 - I've seen this gun go from a wood carving prototype in 2014 to a now fully functional impact. 1,613 ft.lbs. of torque! This is going to be another Snap-on game changer!
3 years in the making is hard to believe...

 

[WhiffySpark]

My driver said the same thing. It should be available in my region soon. I'll pick one up

 

[GTA Matt]

I said it in a Facebook discussion about these, if the 1600 ft/lb claim is true, which I really doubt in a 1/2" anvil, it will require an incredible amount of air. The MG is alreasy an air hog that really wakes up with a bigger hose and high flow fittings, I'd bet the average user, with regular fittings and 3/8 hose will be disappointed in this guns output. My 3/4 impact is 1560 ft/lbs, I have a 1/2" hose plumbed straight to it, no fitting on the gun. It is an absolute beast, I just can't see a 1/2" gun reliably making more power.

 

[Keel]

I said it in a Facebook discussion about these, if the 1600 ft/lb claim is true, which I really doubt in a 1/2" anvil, it will require an incredible amount of air. The MG is alreasy an air hog that really wakes up with a bigger hose and high flow fittings, I'd bet the average user, with regular fittings and 3/8 hose will be disappointed in this guns output. My 3/4 impact is 1560 ft/lbs, I have a 1/2" hose plumbed straight to it, no fitting on the gun. It is an absolute beast, I just can't see a 1/2" gun reliably making more power.

A bolt that isn't turning a 1500 ft lb would twist your hands off.
A cord drill when a bit jams when drilling rips the drill out of your hands and it isn't 300 ft lb..
and why big drills have 2 handles 90* from each other..

 

[gdocktor3]

A bolt that isn't turning a 1500 ft lb would twist your hands off.
A cord drill when a bit jams when drilling rips the drill out of your hands and it isn't 300 ft lb..
and why big drills have 2 handles 90* from each other..

An impact wrench is hammering at that though. A drill is straight torque.

 

[WhiffySpark]

The 2235 is 1350 so it seems reasonable. Everyone measures it diffferently as well.

And an impact gun is nothing like a drill.

 

[Skin]

The 2235 is 1350 so it seems reasonable. Everyone measures it diffferently as well.

And an impact gun is nothing like a drill.

It doesn't seem remotely reasonable because the new Snap-On impact is smaller and quite a bit lighter and 1600 foot pound fantasy number would approach "break-away" numbers on 3/4" impacts which use much larger components and way more air.

Just to inject some facts back into this thread, the Sioux version that's been out for a year is using the PT850 anvil, hammers, hammer cage, motor housing, end plates, motor rotor, and dial. Essentially the insides are identical. There will be cosmetic differences to the body of SO obviously and some adjustments to the muffler but that's about it and you can see what the specs are on it so short of it being made with pixie dust to reach a 1600 foot pound break-away number its going to be just a solid competitive impact.

For the record Sioux max reverse torque, which again has the PT850s guts, is a smidge over 1100 foot pounds on a 10 second run time. 2235 will do roughly 1200 under the same test. PT850 torque is 850, 2235 is ~930. Its all quite in line for a straight up comparison.

I don't understand the need for Snap-On to one up everyone even at the expense of common sense (dealers clearly making numbers up). Even at a smidge smaller, shorter, weaker than the 2235 its clearly going to be a good modern improvement to the MG725 brick aka eardrum destroyer.

 

[WhiffySpark]

I've used 3/4 - 1 inch guns that are weaker on paper, but will remove things my 2235 will not. Like you said they use much bigger components and more air - we ran a dedicated compressor with 1 inch feed like to 3/4 air line.

They hit different than the smaller hammers in the 1/2 class. 1/2 is more of a rattle gun versus the big guns hard steady hits. Just my opinion.

And I'm not worried about 1600, like you said it'll be an approvement over the 725 either way.