The VISES of Garage Journal
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Shiftless
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Back to the topic of dynamic slide supports...
After a quick check of a few vises in my collection, I noticed that my Rock Island, Reed, and Craftsman 5191 all had triangular shaped support shelves.
The Athol and the Athol/Starrett had the beefier curved shape.
Anybody else notice this difference? Does this impact the questioning of who made the oft discussed Craftsman 519x vises?
After a quick check of a few vises in my collection, I noticed that my Rock Island, Reed, and Craftsman 5191 all had triangular shaped support shelves.
The Athol and the Athol/Starrett had the beefier curved shape.
Anybody else notice this difference? Does this impact the questioning of who made the oft discussed Craftsman 519x vises?
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Scout3918
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Great Job
gman007
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Reverend Scott
To clarify I did state that -"$100 USD .... might be getting an OK deal" and to me OK and fair mean the same.
Now as for a "GOOD" (better than fair/ok) deal, I am going by what I have paid for several Parkers here in West Michigan (which I still feel vise wise is nowhere as good as East Michigan
). For example I paid $50 for a fixed base 955 which probably weighs nearly twice the fixed base 804. And in my book that was a good/great deal. So personally here in West Michigan I would consider $30-40 USD for an 804 a good deal (around $1/lb) and at around $70-80 OK/Fair deal (around $2/lb). And honestly here I would be hard pressed to pay $100 for 4" fixed based Parker (and I love Parkers).
Obviously somewhere else such as in Montreal the price ranges might be better or worst than I am used to.
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gman007
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Great professional looking restoration!
Thanks fellas!! My ADD (A dumb a$$ disorder as I call it) really takes over for me sometimes. The only reason I ever got this vice was because my newer craftsman is garbage, we just moved into a new house, and I wanted to have something I was proud of on my new work bench.
After researching the Fuller more and comparing it to some of the nicer vices, it is clear it isn't the heirloom quality vice I am looking for. Hoping the Athol I found will fit that spot for me, then I will be done until I find a nice Wilco bullet.
trijeff
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So why isn't this Reed 109 in TX in Sandman or VISEs hands right now??
https://lubbock.craigslist.org/atq/6285115505.html
https://lubbock.craigslist.org/atq/6285115505.html
meatsis
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So why isn't this Reed 109 in TX in Sandman or VISEs hands right now??
https://lubbock.craigslist.org/atq/6285115505.html
I believe it is. And from what I was told, it's "only" a Reed 108. Not the 109
f_jimenez
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Thanks for the info. I'll be cheking it out on the weekend and decide what i'm gonna do about it bcause 100$ even for a Parker's is way over my budget.
I came across a Columbian Vise that i would be also checking out.
meatsis
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FYI the parker 804 is part of the Superior line of vises. Which is a lot heavier than their eclipse series. Notice the 804 weighs 72 lbs. If I needed a vise I'd gladly pay $100 for that one.
Back to the topic of dynamic slide supports...
After a quick check of a few vises in my collection, I noticed that my Rock Island, Reed, and Craftsman 5191 all had triangular shaped support shelves.
The Athol and the Athol/Starrett had the beefier curved shape.
Anybody else notice this difference? Does this impact the questioning of who made the oft discussed Craftsman 519x vises?
I don't know if it helps answer the question, but I've always felt the dynamic support on a Reed most closely matched those on the 519X vises. I hadn't thought about the RI support, so I'll have to look at the one I have tonight.
jakemac
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Not a vise, but almost as good ....
Snagged this off of fleaBay this week.
Reed copper printing plate.
I have no idea how old it is.
The engraving measures 2-3/4" x 1-3/8", with the actual logo being slightly smaller.
The seller also had a vise plate, but it was part of a lot that had other plates I wasn't interested in.
Stoked to have a bit of Reed history collecting dust in my shop. (besides the 6 Reed vises in my pile)
Snagged this off of fleaBay this week.
Reed copper printing plate.
I have no idea how old it is.
The engraving measures 2-3/4" x 1-3/8", with the actual logo being slightly smaller.
The seller also had a vise plate, but it was part of a lot that had other plates I wasn't interested in.
Stoked to have a bit of Reed history collecting dust in my shop. (besides the 6 Reed vises in my pile)
FMC1959
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Hi guys,
I'm new to the thread and would really appreciate any help bowdown:
I came across to a PARKER'S VISE near where i live and would like to know if 120$CAD is a fair price to pay; following is the link with pictures.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autres-outi...er/1297072012?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
The only problem with the Vise is that i don't really notice the Jaws shape on the clamps; so i'm kind of shy to pulling the trigger on that one.
Thanks in advance.
Check it out in person, like Meatsis stated, it is a Parker Superior model line; many debates can be had on which is the most robust and strongest vise, the Superior would definitely be in that conversation.
I live in your neck of the woods (Montreal burbs), I would say that it is not a screamin deal, but more like KMS and Meatsis stated, it is a good deal.
If all you want is a good vise, you can easily find a Record for half that price. But if you want American iron, which we don't see as often in these parts, definitely get that Parker....provided it is in good condition when you see it.
Surface rust, small nics and scratches are fine, if it has cracks, signs of welds or really deep gouges, that would be reason to pass or the guy give you a big discount. BTW, he is asking $100, but if he still has it on the weekend, chances are he might go for $90 or less. See what he says if you offer $75
My first Hollands no 12 1/2 H 2 1/2in jaws opens 4in about 14lbs. I really like the 4 footed flat bases Hollands and several other companies were using so when I saw this one I couldn't pass it up due to the novelty.
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Record are very high quality. You don't find them with the swivel base very often, but it's a nice plus.
Does this one look real? Any indications of a fake?
Records seem to be common out west.
I can't seem to be able to post the link, but there's a nice shape No 6 swivel Record on Kijiji BC with a asking price of $100 (CDN)
Terry
It's almost certainly real with the casting saying "Made in England" the way it does. There are many cheap copies, but they are pretty easy to spot...all I've seen have been clearly marked with another name.
sandman54
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So why isn't this Reed 109 in TX in Sandman or VISEs hands right now??
https://lubbock.craigslist.org/atq/6285115505.html
A 108 Reed in wild and yes Sandman did Ambush it !!!
mike_paxton
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Was out at yard sale and asked about any old bench vises for sale.
Owner pointed out a vise on shelf, but that he planned to keep it.
Asked if could look at it and we brought it off the shelf.
The good was Prentiss Bulldog No. 92.
The bad was broken/repaired jaw, broken slide and missing swivel base handle.
However, owner got it from a passed away blacksmith shop from the man who was responsible for making the archway at the Newark Ohio Maennerchor (Mr. Luber).
Liked the history and so offered a price, that allowed for a purchase to be made.
Just quick cleanup and oil/lube, as want to keep it similar to how it would have been in Mr. Luber's blacksmith shop.
Mike
Owner pointed out a vise on shelf, but that he planned to keep it.
Asked if could look at it and we brought it off the shelf.
The good was Prentiss Bulldog No. 92.
The bad was broken/repaired jaw, broken slide and missing swivel base handle.
However, owner got it from a passed away blacksmith shop from the man who was responsible for making the archway at the Newark Ohio Maennerchor (Mr. Luber).
Liked the history and so offered a price, that allowed for a purchase to be made.
Just quick cleanup and oil/lube, as want to keep it similar to how it would have been in Mr. Luber's blacksmith shop.
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Hey Mike, I was just in Newark a week ago and picked up a bullet from a gentleman that lived around the corner from the large basket building. First time I'd ever seen that bulding. A very interesting construction marvel!
Is there a video available showing someone disassembleing a Reed vise with the 2 piece split nut? I don't really need a know how video but I thought it would be interesting watching someone else disassembleing a Reed vise for a change with the split nut
mike_paxton
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Bcom:
It is neat to see the Longaberger Basket, which is currently for sale.
Here is a link with pics, for those who may have an interest.
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10658
Rileysan
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dutchgray
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It looks in great order and is a decent vice, not as heavy as typical American designs but still gets the job done, needs a set of jaws but as Irwin Record still make them (In China) you can still buy new ones. Get it bought if it is reasonably priced.
KMScott
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Road trip today with the Wilton/Anvil magnet. Ran over to Chitown and met Autopts while picking up a very tight C3 ($250!) and a very nice 200lb Fisher anvil! The stand to the right is for the C3 and weighs an easy 100lbs. I'm tired, but happy
Nice score G-Man and you got face time with Nick. Sounds like a great trip.
Meeting Nick in person was the best part! The worst part was the chucklehead with the forklift bending the handle on the C3, but I straightened it on the press last night
As some folks know, there's a thread here on Wilton vise date stamps with 30+ pages of information, data, discussion and conclusions. That finally got to the point where I think the theory is now fact. Since the question comes up a lot, I wrote a summary of what that thread turned up and posted it on my website. Feel free to give it a read and if you have additional info, or find something I missed or got wrong, send me a note....no pride in authorship, I just want to make sure the info is correct, and hopefully, not confusing!
http://mivise.com/wilton-vise-date-stamping/
Thanks to all the guys on that thread that put in a lot of effort to sort this out for the rest of us!
http://mivise.com/wilton-vise-date-stamping/
Thanks to all the guys on that thread that put in a lot of effort to sort this out for the rest of us!
mgmlvks
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That is a good read!
Private Lugnutz
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Good summary, G-Man. Bookmarked.
trijeff
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Agreed, this is fantastic ... great work.
Follow up question due to your prolific Wilton magnet use
I am pretty familar with values of more recent Wiltons, but haven't had many opportunities to purchase the really old ones. Do you think the earlier ones are significantly more valuable? For instance, a 1941-42 No. 3 versus a 1980s 9300. Not sure if the latter date/model reference is correct and know values fluctuate depending on location, but you probably get the gist. Thanks in advance for any info here!!Guapo
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Hello all,
I'm looking for some input. I came across a Wilton 600 with stationary base for $600. The vise looks hardly used. It has some surface rust on the top side of the jaws and at the edges of the base. Handle needs a good scrubbing. No other defects noticed. The seller claims it's been in storage for a couple of years, and barely used. Sorry, I did not take pictures.
What do you fellas think something like that is worth?
I'm looking for some input. I came across a Wilton 600 with stationary base for $600. The vise looks hardly used. It has some surface rust on the top side of the jaws and at the edges of the base. Handle needs a good scrubbing. No other defects noticed. The seller claims it's been in storage for a couple of years, and barely used. Sorry, I did not take pictures.
What do you fellas think something like that is worth?
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454ragtop
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Worth, I dunno, maybe $400. I'm sure someone else might pay more, myself I wouldn't pay more than $250, maybe $300 if really mint. But then I don't need one, would only buy it if a real good deal.
I've bought several fixed base 600s for $300-350 in the past. All cleaned up, stripped, primed, painted, etc they bring quite a bit more than that...$500+.
Agreed, this is fantastic ... great work.
Follow up question due to your prolific Wilton magnet use
I've found that people will often pay a premium for the Chicago-era vises, and even a bit more for the really early models without date stamps, but condition and size always factors into things.
I think a lot of it is who the buyer is, and what they plan to do with it. If you're going out of your way to buy a Chicago-era vise you're doing it because you think it's cool, so you're more likely to spend a little extra. if you're looking to buy the most vise for your money, you're going to look at newer vises and have a tighter budget since they're really just a tool to be used.
I've also seen some evidence that the older, larger vises (5"+) typically don't bring as much as the newer larger vises. My thought is that someone buying a 100lb+ vise is buying it to use, and the newer models are a bit bigger and stronger, so they have more appeal.
Generally speaking, given equal condition, I'd expect to get more for an early No.3 than a modern 300S.
I guess that's a long way of saying "it depends" right?
Rileysan
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I picked up this little guy at an estate sale this morning. 2 1/4" un-marked mini vise. At $15, it was a little more than I wanted to pay but it's in such good shape, I couldn't leave it behind.
Does anyone recognize it?
Brian
Does anyone recognize it?
Brian
