Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately I don't have a welder, so I'm going to have to do it the hard way. So, if I do mess it up in the process, do they sell a replacement "nut" for a Walker?
Snap-On Floor jack rebuild Part I
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Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately I don't have a welder, so I'm going to have to do it the hard way. So, if I do mess it up in the process, do they sell a replacement "nut" for a Walker?
billymade
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I was thinking this red looks pretty close but its hard to know the "real" color from a website!
This one looks kind of dull...
By the way... they sell this paint in normal cans; so you could spray it with your gun, I think I saw quarts at Walmart the other day.
I was thinking that the Krylon "Farm & Implement Paint"; might be more durable, how durable is the "normal" Krylon Rustoleum Sunrise red paint you have been using? My Snap-On service cart is going to see everyday use in a shop environment and was looking for something durable that can handle all the oil, carb cleaner and other abuse it will see. I don't know if these "special" paints help any but am looking for any affordable possibilities... anyone here tried the Krylon "Farm & Implement Paint"?
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Nope. And im about 98% sure the New HeinWerner jacks which steal from the the older Walker then Lincoln designs is a different Thread and Sealing areal. Dont Mess it up....
Uncle Buck
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Lookin good there Hiball!
Finally heard back from my Jack Guru who was helping me identify my jack project. What we knew? It was a Walker jacker, Prior to Lincoln, It was marketed by Snap on.. What we now know, It is a very early YA642, 2 ton and per the breakdown i have coming it was manufactured sometime around 1962-69 Hoping to find some more information but my search is coming up blank so far. What was really puzzling me about this jack was the Pump assembly and the handle, ALL Walkers, Lincolns and New Hein Werners of this style that i have ever worked on use Vee packing on the Pump and this one uses a Poly cup and did from the begining of its creation. Secondly the Handle was smaller in diameter than normal jacks from this time frame. I must say its nice to finally put a model number to this project.
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billymade
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Hey! They still sell some parts for your jack on snapon.com; I'm sure you can get your parts cheaper but thought you might like to know!
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=12557&group_id=21744
A parts diagram for revision "C" is up there too! Does it look similar to yours? After comparing the two; they do look different but have some similarities...
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=76802&group_id=21744
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=12557&group_id=21744
A parts diagram for revision "C" is up there too! Does it look similar to yours? After comparing the two; they do look different but have some similarities...
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=76802&group_id=21744
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Hey! They still sell some parts for your jack on snapon.com; I'm sure you can get your parts cheaper but thought you might like to know!
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=12557&group_id=21744
A parts diagram for revision "C" is up there too! Does it look similar to yours? After comparing the tow; they do look different but have some similarities...
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=76802&group_id=21744
Thanks for digging that up but that is the newer version, Mine is a Walker design and pre-dates that one. Some of the parts are the same but differs in other areas. Thanks again though.
billymade
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http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/parts/pro_det.asp?Item_id=12557&group_id=21744
The first link is for the jack you have (according to the model #); did you already get all those parts? Are the snapon.com prices high, compared to your sources?
The first link is for the jack you have (according to the model #); did you already get all those parts? Are the snapon.com prices high, compared to your sources?
Uncle Buck
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I would bet a body part or two he can beat Snappy prices by quite a bit!
Well Ive had lots of time off lately, but it seems that ive been working on everyone elses hydraulic jack problems instead of mine. I started with some initial coat painting today using "ChrisLehr's" suggestion on using sunrise red from rustoleum. It is near a perfect match. and they were offering 33% more in each can so thats a plus. I decided to go with Stainless steel hardware instead of chrome and im repainting it back to its original colors, Red and White. If you remember in my earlier pics it was red and yellow but the ole sandblaster tells no lies. I didnt have much time to take to many up close pics but i will remedy that tommorow if all goes well. I did take some pics of the monster Blackhawk Sj-10 floor jack that im rebuilding currently. The Unit is about the size of the Hw Oboy it truley is a monster of a jack and also from the late 60's when blackhawk actually meant quality instead of pawning there name off on every piece of taiwan junk they could. Anyways Enjoy the pics and till next time.
Well its been very hectic around the shop lately, I currently have 5 customer jacks torn down awaiting some parts and i haven't had much time to work on my project. I have managed to get everything painted and Most of the New hardware is in. Per my grandfathers request i decided not to use SS/Chrome hardware account he felt it looked better original. I have installed a new kit in the unit, reassembled and now i piecing it back together. I Have come to the conclusion that it is rather difficult to paint something without a paint booth to protect the parts from contaminents. For instance.. I was putting the first coat on a week or two ago and i went inside to drink some water, eat a cookie and come out and they had decided to start hauling soybeans out of the bin so all this dust was flying around and here my parts are hanging in the shop. Had to wait for it to completely dry, Wet sand the paint to smooth it out and re-apply paint. It is starting to look good but there is still a bit of touch up that needs to be done when i get it completely back together. I was in a hurry to get home but i did manage to snap some pics before i left. I will get some more detailed pics when i have it completely back together, I must say though the White/Red really contrast well together.
P.s if someone is wanting to rebuild a Walker/Lincoln or Newer Hein Werner that shares this jacks Backbone and there is something that you are curious about or "How to do a certain section" feel free to ask i will go into more detail and make sure that you are clear on what and how you need to accomplish your goal. I didnt really take many pics on the re-installation of the Jack account it essentially is the reverse order of taking it apart which i did document. Anyway Thanks for taking the time to read my thread.
P.s if someone is wanting to rebuild a Walker/Lincoln or Newer Hein Werner that shares this jacks Backbone and there is something that you are curious about or "How to do a certain section" feel free to ask i will go into more detail and make sure that you are clear on what and how you need to accomplish your goal. I didnt really take many pics on the re-installation of the Jack account it essentially is the reverse order of taking it apart which i did document. Anyway Thanks for taking the time to read my thread.
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JMartin
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Thanks for taking the time to document this. I have a similar jack that needs rebuilding. I would be interested to hear what was involved in installing the hydraulic rebuild kit. Special tools? Tricks?
Thanks again,
Jay
Thanks again,
Jay
If you scroll back to the begining i list the tools to get the unit outside the frame so you could access and start replacing the soft parts. Essentially you have 3 areas of soft parts, 1. The pump, you will need a 7/16" wrench to remove the Vee packing and a Pick set to remove and replace the orings (if aplicable), 2. The ram cup, Depending your model and style of ram tip you will need the same Pick set and or the proper wrench to remove the nut that holds the cup on. Most use the poly cup and they just slip over the end of the shaft. 3. The tank nut sealing area, There are 2 types and depending on model, Series etc you will either have a Quad-ring and or a Leather packing that you can remove and carefully install with a Pick set and Standard Screwdriver. Ive stated many times the Main pitfall of these jacks is the Spanner version Tank nut and without some luck and or a homemade tool it is difficult to remove and install. As far as other replacement parts that are included in your kit are replacement balls/springs/copper sealing rings which are direct replacement parts in the valve area. Its not difficult but i would reccomend anybody who wants to start this project inspect and verify which tank nut you actually have. So with some general hand tools, a vice, Pick set, A manual impact driver will come in handy and the initiative to start and you are well on your way to rebuilding a quality floor jack that will last you many years if used properly.
Yep. Not as easy as it looks.
Did you prime under the top coat or go straight to metal ???
cruiser808
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Hiball - great thread and an inspiration to all. One thing I've learned over the years is that diagnosis is 90% of the battle and repair is the other 10%. Now to get back to my air suspension. 
JMartin
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Well, My grandfathers health is improving so i decided to spend sometime in the shop today. I managed to get the jack back together, and now all that needs to be done is some touch up paint work, finish painting the handle and figure out my rear wheel sitsuation.... I ordered a set of wheels and of course they were not the correct length so i have another set coming and hopefully this will remedy the problem. This has really been a fun project to work on and i have many Old jacks that would make a great candidate for round 2. My only real issue is that i wish i would have spent the money for a quality paint job, powdercoating etc.. Although the paint shines up, every little nick, accidental bump shows. Regardless it looks 100 times better than it did and functions like new. My grandpa doesnt know it yet but i will be dedicating this jack to him kinda like payback for all the hydraulic jack knowledge and life lessons he has taught me over the years. Im sure he will be happy and ill try and get a pic of him and the jack.
chrislehr
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Man that red looks DAMNED fine. Can't wait for cooler weather to prevail here.
JMartin
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Hello all,
I could use some help and advice.
I ordered the rebuild kit for my Snap-On before opening her up to see the type of nut. It's the spanner version, and I'm not budging it.
I've heated it with my little propane torch, put a pipe wrench on it, and pounded on it with a punch. Nothing. Ideas?
Thanks,
Jay
I could use some help and advice.
I ordered the rebuild kit for my Snap-On before opening her up to see the type of nut. It's the spanner version, and I'm not budging it.
I've heated it with my little propane torch, put a pipe wrench on it, and pounded on it with a punch. Nothing. Ideas?Thanks,
Jay
JMartin
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Just one more update on this (in case anyone else is thinking about rebuilding a similar jack). I contacted the place that sold me the rebuild kit, asking if they also sold a tool to get that spanner nut off. Their response:
"That is one of the problems doing that unit. We have a special tool because a spanner wrench won't do it since it is tightened at the factory with the type of tool we have in a press with a pipe wrench that is 48" long. You may have to take it someplace and have them unscrew it and take it back to them to re-tighten when you are done."
So, my next step will be to contact local hydraulic shops to see if they can do it. If I can find someone, I'm hoping it's going to be cheaper than buying a new quality floor jack.
Jay
"That is one of the problems doing that unit. We have a special tool because a spanner wrench won't do it since it is tightened at the factory with the type of tool we have in a press with a pipe wrench that is 48" long. You may have to take it someplace and have them unscrew it and take it back to them to re-tighten when you are done."
So, my next step will be to contact local hydraulic shops to see if they can do it. If I can find someone, I'm hoping it's going to be cheaper than buying a new quality floor jack.
Jay
Thanks for the info. You're making me even more nervous because I have a Lincoln jack that I've been meaning to rebuild. I actually tried breifly to get the nut off, but it wouldn't budge, so I gave up.
It does take a special tool to remove that spanner tank nut, especially without damaging it. I have the special tool that will remove them. If anyone wants to think about sending there hydraulic unit to me in a flat rate box i would be more than happy to install a kit at a reasonable price. If you have access to a welder and some creativity you can make your own tool, Measure the spanner slots width, I believe its 1/4 or 5/16, get some flat stock the same size, weld it to a long arm for leverage creating a hole in the middle for the cylinder to sit in and try that. There is NO spanner wrench that will remove that Nut i Promise.
Who did you get this info from? Im assuming the same people you bought the kit from. BTW what model do you have and if you dont mind asking how much did your kit cost? Just curious.
Who did you get this info from? Im assuming the same people you bought the kit from. BTW what model do you have and if you dont mind asking how much did your kit cost? Just curious.
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JMartin
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Hiball,
I got the kit and information from A&A Hydraulic. My jack is a Snap-On YA642 and the kit cost $42.80. It's a very well made jack that also operates even when the handle can only move a few inches off the ground. I look forward to getting it back into service.
Jay
I got the kit and information from A&A Hydraulic. My jack is a Snap-On YA642 and the kit cost $42.80. It's a very well made jack that also operates even when the handle can only move a few inches off the ground. I look forward to getting it back into service.
Jay
Thats a Fair Price, If you have any questions feel free to ask.
mcdtommy23
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I second that color. I just repainted an old solar brand battery charger that I picked up in the garbage. I'll post pics tomorrow. It's damn close to snap-on red. Looks a little brighter IMHO.
The red laquer from Rustoleum is also very close.
fordbroncodave
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the little white air vent on top of mine broke off and i replaced it with the same one and it has never worked the same ever since
As long the vent isnt plugged it should have no affect on the operation of the jack, It needs to allow the jack breathe.
shanianut
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I have a Snap-on YA642-B, I found the rebuild kit, was able to remove the nut and get it back together, however the jack will raise but not with a load. I have tried bleeding it several times. Does anyone have any suggestions.
Thanks
Ron
Thanks
Ron
Overload......
wafrederick
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Parts for a Lincoln jack are the same for Snap On,Lincoln makes Snap On's jacks.
Lincoln currently doesnt make any jacks, and Snap on carries "1" US made floor jack in there current inventory and its made by Hein Werner and its a previous Walker Designed.
hope this helps someone i have a model# 93642 Lincoln i was thinking of rebuilding, were do i find the series letter?
thanks for the write up
thanks for the write up
It was normally on the Id Plate, If you need a kit i can supply you with a Kit that covers "ALL" Series.
sweet, thanks.
csp
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Just found this thread as i just picked up a YA652 Series D at an auction. I haven't had time to even see if it works. Even if it does, it's in need of some TLC.
Hiball I'd be interested in the info you deleted at the beginning of this thread. I'm assuming that this one was made by Lincoln based on the series letter.
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Hiball I'd be interested in the info you deleted at the beginning of this thread. I'm assuming that this one was made by Lincoln based on the series letter.
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Hey HIBALL
did you not have some video`s on rebuilding a 2 to snap on jack (or a model very close) I thought I downloaded them. there are about 5 or 6 set of video`s or picture sets. I was looking to see what I was getting into. I latched on to a kit from bernie mcgivern and am ready to start my project and can`t find the info. can you give an old knotthead a steer in the right direction. your jack project looks great by the way. good luck with the outcome of it. maybe a little advice.. next time take some 2x4`s and some plastic and small chain. make a square with the 2x4`s staple plastic to sides like curtains and the to. boom ..you have a mini paint booth. put a carpet on the floor and no overspray all over everything and no trash in paint. when finished fold it up and put it in the rafters or in the corner till next time. the chain will make it height adjustable to. it saved me from getting chewed out a few times after I got paint all over some old yuckey flower pots.
Thanks
did you not have some video`s on rebuilding a 2 to snap on jack (or a model very close) I thought I downloaded them. there are about 5 or 6 set of video`s or picture sets. I was looking to see what I was getting into. I latched on to a kit from bernie mcgivern and am ready to start my project and can`t find the info. can you give an old knotthead a steer in the right direction. your jack project looks great by the way. good luck with the outcome of it. maybe a little advice.. next time take some 2x4`s and some plastic and small chain. make a square with the 2x4`s staple plastic to sides like curtains and the to. boom ..you have a mini paint booth. put a carpet on the floor and no overspray all over everything and no trash in paint. when finished fold it up and put it in the rafters or in the corner till next time. the chain will make it height adjustable to. it saved me from getting chewed out a few times after I got paint all over some old yuckey flower pots.
Thanks