Yes, similar to that. The "NOT GUAR" means it was made under gub'mint contract, likely for wartime use.Like this?
PS: "NOT GUAR" SOs, inferior quality?
Are there different sizes of said bit-holding sockets?
(I see online plenty of Torx socket sets, but it doesn't look like the bits are made to come out of the socket.)
That's not true, tym. It's a common fallacy that gets repeated alot until it sounds true. From very early on (mid 30s, I'll get exact date tomorrow), Snap-on exempted certain tools from the guarantee. They are annotated with a footnote in all the commercial catalogs. And these are the tools we see marked NO GUAR. All of the tools were very small or with intentionally thin or fragile steel areas. Special sockets with thin walls and broachings, all the smallest drive pin punches, all special ignition sockets, all the small Phillips head screwdriver sizes, and all the socket drive screwdriver bits.
Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for disabusing my incorrect notion!
No worries. I actually backed into it when doing research on the equally as famous and popular myth about Snap-on suspending the guarantee during WWII. Also not true. I wrote a study paper on the subject and sent it to Frank Murch, the guy who runs the Collecting Snap-on site, because the site was also perpetuating the falsehood, believe it or not. He was very polite, and smartly asked me to post it to the site's forum as a sort of vetting process, and it was quickly and unanimously agreed with by all the resident experts. After that he has asked me to help him re-write the erroneous sections, which we have not done yet.
It's not that it's intended to fail, but realistically, Snap-on knew it might eventually fail due to physics, or the tool's "nature" (as Snap-on put it), not to their design, material or workmanship. If you think about the end of a 3/16" drive pin, or those thin flanges on a carb jet puller, or the shape of a #1 (smallest there is...) cross-recess (Phillips) screwdriver tip, it becomes easier to understand. Nothing you can do is going to prevent those things from possibly being bent or broken eventually. Plomb and many other mfgrs exempted the same tools.
Nice loupe, Rags. I have a few vintage examples. Typically found in machinists' boxes.
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Concur! The blade is definitely shaped and pinned on like the lapper blades you see on more conventional lappers (hand crank type, speeder, or socket attachment). I have never seen a spiral one before. Pretty cool. Is it marked?
It's not that it's intended to fail, but realistically, Snap-on knew it might eventually fail due to physics, or the tool's "nature" (as Snap-on put it), not to their design, material or workmanship. If you think about the end of a 3/16" drive pin, or those thin flanges on a carb jet puller, or the shape of a #1 (smallest there is...) cross-recess (Phillips) screwdriver tip, it becomes easier to understand. Nothing you can do is going to prevent those things from possibly being bent or broken eventually. Plomb and many other mfgrs exempted the same tools.
Here is the note on page 3 of their 1939 catalog. I paged through and made a list of all the tools with the star. Then I did it for every successive catalog through the early 50's. Their rationale became very clear very quickly.
I don't know what you mean by "unlike other sockets." I won't swear to this until I re-check my work, but as I recall, all Snap-on screwdriver sockets were NO GUAR from 1939 through the early 50's (the end of my interest time range), regardless of their blade type or size. Do you mean you have a bunch of Snap-on screwdriver sockets there and only this one is NO GUAR? What is the model number and date code on it?
check last photo! Two boxes!no photo...... didn't happen!
thanks!! I wondered if that might be the case, I put a bit in it and it held tight.
Thanks!! I was happy with this haul : ) Oh, the Taco truck wasnt down by the Flea this week end at all... I did how ever grab a huge Arbys roast beef sammich!RagTop, very nice haul last weekend, I love those 2 vises, especially that CM and a Wilton for $50. How does it feel to **** on your birthday? I'm a little disappointed there was no celebratory birthday burrito involved in your weekend.
Happy belated birthday
Jay
I just rechecked my work and a little beyond. ALL Snap-on 1/4- and 3/8-inch drive special bits (standard, Phillips, clutch, hex, etc) were NO GUAR from 1939 through at least 1965.
RagTop, very nice haul last weekend, I love those 2 vises, especially that CM and a Wilton for $50. How does it feel to **** on your birthday? I'm a little disappointed there was no celebratory birthday burrito involved in your weekend.
Happy belated birthday
Jay
Idaho: FREE is always good!!!
seriously you didn't mention how much, but even a 1/3 Dayton grinder (not sure what yours is?) is a great shop grinder and that one looks like it's in pretty decent shape.
"Handle was replaced three times, and the ax head twice!"I spotted this in my Sunday comics. A little "Antique Shop" humor for my fellow Garage Sailors…
