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Those are elegant, bespoke drivers! Surely, treasured family heirlooms-to-be.
Did you use heat on the shanks to remove the plastic handles?
Thank you for the kind words. No heat involved in removing the handles, just ignorance and brute force. I clamped the shanks vertically in my Leg Vice with the handle sticking up from about 1/2" above the jaws, then levered them off by weighing down on the other end of a clawed prybar.
 
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My recent flea market find which has started my obsession with this style screwdriver. I would love to find out more about them.
 

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If by "them" you mean that style of screwdriver, the American firm H.D. Smith, in Plantsville, Conn., patented it as the "Perfect Handle" screwdriver in the latter part of the 19th century, a term you will often see abbreviated as "PH" around here. There have been many imitators on these shores, including Irwin, which probably made the biggest dent in the market, Tobrin, Federal, and James J. Ryan (no, not the guy from the Tom Hanks movie! :)), which took over H.D. Smith's operations, but as I was just saying on a different thread, I would have to say that 7 out of every 10 I turn over are German. For whatever reason.
 

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If by "them" you mean that style of screwdriver, the American firm H.D. Smith, in Plantsville, Conn., patented it as the "Perfect Handle" screwdriver in the latter part of the 19th century, a term you will often see abbreviated as "PH" around here. There have been many imitators on these shores, including Irwin, which probably made the biggest dent in the market, Tobrin, Federal, and James J. Ryan (no, not the guy from the Tom Hanks movie! :)), which took over H.D. Smith's operations, but as I was just saying on a different thread, I would have to say that 7 out of every 10 I turn over are German. For whatever reason.
Thank you. It really is a nice handle. It has been cleaned up, oiled and put into my "screwdriver" drawer to be used. :)
 

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admittedly did no read the whole thread. Has anyone machined any of the Perfect Handle style screwdrivers into phillips drive? I love the style, but flatheads are limited use in my life. Curious if anyone else felt the same
 

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I have never seen a PH screwdriver with any cruciform/cross-recess shape, regardless of the type (i.e., Phillips, Frearson, etc) but my experience is fairly narrow. PH screwdrivers were often specified as heavy duty screwdrivers, irrespective of them being PH type (i.e., with integral wooden scales), because they had a through-shank. I suspect it also has to do with the other half of the equation, i.e., the fastener. What would the tip and corresponding fastener size be on the end of the big fat honkin' shank of an 11" or 15" OAL PH screwdriver? I am most familiar with #2 and #3 Phillips, and I am aware there is a #4, which is pretty big. Is there a #5? Long story short, in other words, is it possible that the PH type screwdriver was never made with Phillips or other cross-recess tips because it would be excessive?
 

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Here are some well used screw drivers for your viewing pleasure. I know nothing about them but they came with a whole bunch of other tools I purchased recently.
 

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Beautiful, Farmer J!

One question, did you dry the Crab Apple branch or season at all?
Thank you, pleased you like them. The branch fell off over 2 years ago so the logs had 3 summers seasoning in my barn, but that branch was half dead already before it fell. The wood is hard as iron I had to repeatedly re sharpen the chisel cutter on my lathe. I tried to shape rough blanks in preparation for turning the handles, it wouldn't split with an axe so I clamped the logs and shaped with a chainsaw, then had to repeatedly sharpen that!
 

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I took a crab apple out of my last house's yard 20 years ago. Worked hard to keep the straight trunk and root ball, 4' at 10", clean and un marked as I dug it out. Was pleased, was going to keep it for saw handles.

Then my dad had the gardener take it away while I was at work. So pissed, cuz I was on his dump run day, so wasn't getting it back.

Your wood looks really good in those images
 

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Since the advent of the ubiquitous, insanely overhardened drywall screw, Philips head tips do not last (unless you work with brass screws and keep your tools under lock and key). The disposable bits paired with a magnetic or detent socket handle are the best investment. So, rather than machining a P-head on a PH screwdriver, consider how to afix a bit-holding socket on the end. I think someone did that with a Yankee telescoping screwdriver (because those Philips bits are a lot harder to come by).
And then you can post it on the Chopped tools thread!
 

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Since the advent of the ubiquitous, insanely overhardened drywall screw, Philips head tips do not last (unless you work with brass screws and keep your tools under lock and key). The disposable bits paired with a magnetic or detent socket handle are the best investment. So, rather than machining a P-head on a PH screwdriver, consider how to afix a bit-holding socket on the end. I think someone did that with a Yankee telescoping screwdriver (because those Philips bits are a lot harder to come by).
And then you can post it on the Chopped tools thread!
that makes a lot of sense. I've got a bunch of half-shot phillips in the drawer, you've just about convinced me to punt most of them and just use a good bit holding screwdriver instead. Smart!

figured the answer was no, was just curious. If I ever find a smaller PH screwdriver I might try to enlist someone to machine a square on the end for me
 

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Hello all, this is my first post outside of the “introduce yourself here” forum. I’m really into old chevys so I had to have this Bridgeport clutch head driver and really fell in love with this set of wood handle Proto screwdrivers. They don’t appear to have ever been used and don’t look very old, does anyone know when Proto stopped making the wood handle screwdrivers?6A65A6DB-4539-4BC9-AD9D-CBA8BFFAB784.jpeg8E41365E-A73D-4B24-AD95-A4F91F2688F6.jpeg
 
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Hello all, this is my first post outside of the “introduce yours here” forum. I’m really into old chevys so I had to have this Bridgeport clutch head driver and really fell in love with this set of wood handle Proto screwdrivers. They don’t appear to have ever been used and don’t look very old, does anyone know when Proto stopped making the wood handle screwdrivers?6A65A6DB-4539-4BC9-AD9D-CBA8BFFAB784.jpeg8E41365E-A73D-4B24-AD95-A4F91F2688F6.jpeg
No, I don't know when Proto quit making wood handled screwdrivers.
 

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I've got a bunch of half-shot phillips in the drawer, you've just about convinced me to punt most of them and just use a good bit holding screwdriver instead. Smart!
That's what I did with one of mine which had a broken tip, and it works well. I dunno who made these wood handle ones, I suspect someone in Taiwan inspired by the MAC ones, but they did a good job as they've lasted and served me well for over 40 years in workshop, in my carry box on the floor of tractor cabs, side box of combine harvesters and in the back of my Land Rovers. DSC05835.JPGDSC05834.JPGDSC05837.JPG
 
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Since the advent of the ubiquitous, insanely overhardened drywall screw, Philips head tips do not last (unless you work with brass screws and keep your tools under lock and key). The disposable bits paired with a magnetic or detent socket handle are the best investment. So, rather than machining a P-head on a PH screwdriver, consider how to afix a bit-holding socket on the end. I think someone did that with a Yankee telescoping screwdriver (because those Philips bits are a lot harder to come by).
And then you can post it on the Chopped tools thread!
I meant to reply to and also quote this post in my post above.. oh well.. can't keep track of all the posts.. filled my 'mental capacity'! Anyway, I agree with LS, those hard philips and here we have hardened pozidrive too and they destroy screwdriver tips so best to use the disposable 1/4" hex bits. Actually some of those bits are very good quality and last well.
 

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I like collecting wooden handle screwdrivers. I always buy the ones I run into if their in decent shape & the price is right. Here's just a few consisting of Millers Fall, P&S, Bridgeport, Irwin, Mac, Yankee, Phillips no. 3 & I'm not sure who made the all steel screwdriver...it's one of my favorites. It has no markings. Anyone have an idea??
 

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I'm not sure who made the all steel screwdriver...it's one of my favorites. It has no markings. Anyone have an idea??


Jazz1 posted a similar looking one in the Fairmont thread this morning.


Here's the photo from that post.

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I like collecting wooden handle screwdrivers.

I do to. I'm trying to be selective though, because they are starting to add up.

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I like the little ratcheter in your photo and the style of the third one in from the right. Nice assortment.

Tom
 

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Wow...nice collection Tom. I think I'll end up with drawer fulls like you. Their hard to pass up when their cheap. I might have 30 or so. A lot of Mac duplicates. The little ratcheter is a Yankee. The big one is a Millers Falls ratcheter patented 1926. I have a Stanley like that around here somewhere. I've always liked the steel one too. It's constructed like a tank. Impossible to bend.
 
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Anybody know anything about this one? It has the 1950 patent and the Phillips LIC. 1 indicates Stanley, but it's not branded on the ferrule or handle. Model No. 2731. Who had a grey-and-red theme going?
 

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I still think that is a Stanley. They match this pic for shape, but not color. There were some egg beater drills with the OSU color scheme.

 

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I cleaned up this ugly #2 Phillips yesterday and the faint Androck markings showed up. I was surprised that neither the pre nor post 1950 patients were stamped on the shank. The Made in the United States of America marking was a little unusual as well.
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I still think that is a Stanley. They match this pic for shape, but not color. There were some egg beater drills with the OSU color scheme.

Here are a couple of matching Stanley egg beaters in my carpenter’s box.
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Here's a few wood handled screwdrivers I acquired recently.
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I particularly like the handle style of the 3rd and 4th down.
I've sometimes heard these referred to as 'Turnscrews' but I'm not sure if this isn't just an old name for a screwdriver, does anyone know the correct name for this type of handle?
Also, what might I use to reproduce the dark red lacquer finish used on the 3 lower screwdrivers?

~Tostal.
 
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If it were me I would give them a light sanding if they have any rough spots & then put some Boiled Linseed Oil on them. Otherwise you would have to try & match up some stain of some type. BLO will bring out the original color & darken them a little. I like to keep the old look. Nice grouping.
 

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Here are a few of my early Yankee ratcheter screwdrivers from the turn of the century into the teens & early 20's. I like the old look of the handles. All I did was lightly sanded the handles & some Boiled Linseed Oil.
 

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Anybody know anything about this one? It has the 1950 patent and the Phillips LIC. 1 indicates Stanley, but it's not branded on the ferrule or handle. Model No. 2731. Who had a grey-and-red theme going?
Only a month since I last checked this thread. I agree with RTM & Don: Stanley. But I think maybe specifically Stanley Handyman. They messed around a lot with color-matching tools at the homeowner pricepoint, and gray/red was one of them.
Here’s a Canadian minicatalog showing that color combo throughout. Dunno if USA tools had the same color combo. (But further suggests “is Canada and USA the difference between Stanley Handyman and Yankee Handyman?”)
Looks like Mark couldn’t find a publication date; do the models look more ‘40s or ‘50s to you guys? I think ‘50s ‘cause no ties to be seen.
 
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Here is something you don't see every day.
33 1/4" Challenge(r?) Wood handled screwdriver.

I put a rubber tip on the end, almost the right size for use as a cane.
I have some Pl(A)mb and Proto I'll show later. ( I don't know what to use for the triangle o for Plumb brand. Since they are two different companies. )
 

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I have some Pl(A)mb and Proto I'll show later. ( I don't know what to use for the triangle o for Plumb brand. Since they are two different companies. )
You could always just use their correct names. The Plomb Tool Company, of Los Angeles, makers of mechanics tools mainly for the automotive and aviation industry, was spelled with an "o". Fayette R. Plumb, Inc., of Philadelphia, makers of striking tools, especially, hammers, hatchets, axes, and picks, but also blacksmithing tools, stoneworking tools, and some knives, is spelled with a "u." There's no real need to use the plumb-bob looking symbol or even a representative "v" (i.e., PLVMB), except maybe when discussing the difference between that branding in the mid 30's on and the early years, when the "o" was indeed just round (i.e., PLOMB). But rest assured, the easiest way is just Plomb and Plumb.
 

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I'm not sure if this got thru last time, but here goes.
33-1/4" Challenge(r) screwdriver.

Thr "r" is in brackets cause ether it didn't stamp, or it's not a Challenger.
Was there a company named Challenge?

Wood handle was chewed up a bit in the middle so I sanded that part down, I want to refinish the handle eventually.
 

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You could always just use their correct names. The Plomb Tool Company, of Los Angeles, makers of mechanics tools mainly for the automotive and aviation industry, was spelled with an "o". Fayette R. Plumb, Inc., of Philadelphia, makers of striking tools, especially, hammers, hatchets, axes, and picks, but also blacksmithing tools, stoneworking tools, and some knives, is spelled with a "u." There's no real need to use the plumb-bob looking symbol or even a representative "v" (i.e., PLVMB), except maybe when discussing the difference between that branding in the mid 30's on and the early years, when the "o" was indeed just round (i.e., PLOMB). But rest assured, the easiest way is just Plomb and Plumb.
Cool! Thanks, I was wondering what the convention was.
 

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I'm not sure if this got thru last time, but here goes.
33-1/4" Challenge(r) screwdriver.

Thr "r" is in brackets cause ether it didn't stamp, or it's not a Challenger.
Was there a company named Challenge?

Wood handle was chewed up a bit in the middle so I sanded that part down, I want to refinish the handle eventually.
Acck! It did get thru the first time.
Sorry for double posting.
 

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You could always just use their correct names. The Plomb Tool Company, of Los Angeles, makers of mechanics tools mainly for the automotive and aviation industry, was spelled with an "o". Fayette R. Plumb, Inc., of Philadelphia, makers of striking tools, especially, hammers, hatchets, axes, and picks, but also blacksmithing tools, stoneworking tools, and some knives, is spelled with a "u." There's no real need to use the plumb-bob looking symbol or even a representative "v" (i.e., PLVMB), except maybe when discussing the difference between that branding in the mid 30's on and the early years, when the "o" was indeed just round (i.e., PLOMB). But rest assured, the easiest way is just Plomb and Plumb.
Thank you for the explanation. It helps clear up the confusion in my mind.
 

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It helps clear up the confusion in my mind.
If it's any consolation, and because it helps understand the rest of the history and the rest of the litigious story between these two companies, you are anything but alone in the confusion. In fact, the fear of that kind of confusion, is precisely why Plumb scuttled Plomb's attempt to trademark their name in 1926, and why, after a little more than two decades of Plomb using it like a trademark despite owning the imprimatur of an actual trademark, Plumb sued and forced them to use a unique name the Plomb Tool Company could legitimately trademark and use as a trademark, which was Proto. If you're interested, you could read more about that in the Plomb Lawsuit thread, which can most easily be found in the Index in the Sticky.
 
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