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Indeed. And I have a bunch of vintage Williams Vulcan stuff (lathe dogs, tool holders, No. 1 chain vise, a few eyebolts), too. It's interesting how they apparently revived the brand in the modern era, but used it on socket sets.



Here's the set in question. Definitely a more modern set. All I can find on the web is some unconfirmed reports of Vulcan being a short lived truck brand for williams.
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As first reported in the 2018 Garage Sale thread, I picked up some Williams today at the flea market.

A decent start on a no earlier than 1947-to-early 1950's Williams USA NM- series midget set, including the ratchet (NM-51), the sliding tee (NM-20A), and a pair of sockets, 7/16" (NM-1214) and 3/16" (NM-606).

Going back to the made in Brooklyn era, a DOE 5/16" x 3/8" S wrench, marked LIGHT SERVICE WRENCH. This is going to go into the collection of tools I have with functional identification markings forged-in.
 

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I posted this 1/4” drive ratchet yesterday on the 2018 Garage sale thread. I cleaned it up and took a couple pictures of it with a 3/8” and 1/2” drive Superratchet.
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Ok Williams experts; what's the deal with Williams Vulcan tools? It was their truck brand? When were they made? I bought a set of 3/8 metrics at a garage sale. Hey seem to have the same part numbers as regular Williams stuff.
I conducted some detailed research into Vulcan sometime last year. I can't recall all the details at the moment, but I posted them somewhere on the board. IIRC, Williams was purchased by Greenfield in 1958, then Greenfield was acquired by TRW around 1968. The Vulcan line was introduced around that time as an industrial grade truck tool to be sold off trucks to compete with SO & Mac. They were indeed made at the Williams factory, and other than the markings, the forgings are mostly identical to the Williams equivalents.

Sometime during the late 1970s (could never quite pin the year down because of a lack of catalogs from that period), TRW moved Williams away from an automotive/mechanics line to position it as an industrial tool line. I believe it was around this time that the Vulcan line was discontinued, as it now was redundant. TRW changed the company name from JH Williams & Co. to Williams Industrial. TRW then began to pare the name down on the Williams tools, starting first with the removal of "& Co." followed by "J.H." and finally discontinuing the "Super-" moniker. The last Williams trademark on the tools was just the name Williams in the now-familiar sans serif rounded font with an uppercase W and the rest in lowercase still used by Snap-on.

Eventually the Vulcan trademark was sold to an importer in California that intended to use it on imported tools but went belly-up. Last record of the trademark was somewhere in the 1990s when it was owned by a bank, apparently part of assets acquired on a defaulted loan. The trademark was never renewed or traded after that time.

TRW divested itself of Williams in 1984, and the company became Williams Hand Tools. It went bankrupt in 1986, and its assets were liquidated. There is no evidence that Williams tools were manufactured after that date. From my research, it's uncertain whether tools were even being made during the 1984-86 period. Two artifacts I have may indicate that at least during that two-year period, Williams was still making tools for TRW on contract. One is a DOE that is clearly a Williams Industrial era design bearing both the last Williams trademark name and TRW. Another is a combo having a rectangular raised panel (the panel being similar in shape and style to a C-man) that is clearly a Williams-made wrench but bearing only the TRW name and using different model numbers than on Williams wrenches.

When Snap-on bought the line in 1993, it only acquired the trademarks and intellectual property, everything else was already gone.

That's about what I can recall.
 
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I conducted some detailed research into Vulcan sometime last year. I can't recall all the details at the moment, but I posted them somewhere on the board. IIRC, Williams was purchased by Greenfield in 1958, then Greenfield was acquired by TRW around 1968. The Vulcan line was introduced around that time as an industrial grade truck tool to be sold off trucks to compete with SO & Mac. They were indeed made at the Williams factory, and other than the markings, the forgings are mostly identical to the Williams equivalents.

Sometime during the late 1970s (could never quite pin the year down because of a lack of catalogs from that period), TRW moved Williams away from an automotive/mechanics line to position it as an industrial tool line. I believe it was around this time that the Vulcan line was discontinued, as it now was redundant. TRW changed the company name from JH Williams & Co. to Williams Industrial. TRW then began to pare the name down on the Williams tools, starting first with the removal of "& Co." followed by "J.H." and finally discontinuing the "Super-" moniker. The last Williams trademark on the tools was just the name Williams in the now-familiar sans serif rounded font with an uppercase W and the rest in lowercase still used by Snap-on.

Eventually the Vulcan trademark was sold to an importer in California that intended to use it on imported tools but went belly-up. Last record of the trademark was somewhere in the 1990s when it was owned by a bank, apparently part of assets acquired on a defaulted loan. The trademark was never renewed or traded after that time.

TRW divested itself of Williams in 1984, and the company became Williams Hand Tools. It went bankrupt in 1986, and its assets were liquidated. There is no evidence that Williams tools were manufactured after that date. From my research, it's uncertain whether tools were even being made during the 1984-86 period. Two artifacts I have may indicate that at least during that two-year period, Williams was still making tools for TRW on contract. One is a DOE that is clearly a Williams Industrial era design bearing both the last Williams trademark name and TRW. Another is a combo having a rectangular raised panel (the panel being similar in shape and style to a C-man) that is clearly a Williams-made wrench but bearing only the TRW name and using different model numbers than on Williams wrenches.

When Snap-on bought the line in 1993, it only acquired the trademarks and intellectual property, everything else was already gone.

That's about what I can recall.
When I aquired my old Williams tools it was from hardware stores serving industrial customers. There is minimal polishing. It was all function but in spite of that the stuff was not thick and clunky and got in where any quality automotive targeted brand fit. I love my ratchets. The round heads are small and work beautifully and they have never been apart.

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I conducted some detailed research into Vulcan sometime last year. I can't recall all the details at the moment, but I posted them somewhere on the board. IIRC, Williams was purchased by Greenfield in 1958, then Greenfield was acquired by TRW around 1968. The Vulcan line was introduced around that time as an industrial grade truck tool to be sold off trucks to compete with SO & Mac. They were indeed made at the Williams factory, and other than the markings, the forgings are mostly identical to the Williams equivalents.

Sometime during the late 1970s (could never quite pin the year down because of a lack of catalogs from that period), TRW moved Williams away from an automotive/mechanics line to position it as an industrial tool line. I believe it was around this time that the Vulcan line was discontinued, as it now was redundant. TRW changed the company name from JH Williams & Co. to Williams Industrial. TRW then began to pare the name down on the Williams tools, starting first with the removal of "& Co." followed by "J.H." and finally discontinuing the "Super-" moniker. The last Williams trademark on the tools was just the name Williams in the now-familiar sans serif rounded font with an uppercase W and the rest in lowercase still used by Snap-on.

Eventually the Vulcan trademark was sold to an importer in California that intended to use it on imported tools but went belly-up. Last record of the trademark was somewhere in the 1990s when it was owned by a bank, apparently part of assets acquired on a defaulted loan. The trademark was never renewed or traded after that time.

TRW divested itself of Williams in 1984, and the company became Williams Hand Tools. It went bankrupt in 1986, and its assets were liquidated. There is no evidence that Williams tools were manufactured after that date. From my research, it's uncertain whether tools were even being made during the 1984-86 period. Two artifacts I have may indicate that at least during that two-year period, Williams was still making tools for TRW on contract. One is a DOE that is clearly a Williams Industrial era design bearing both the last Williams trademark name and TRW. Another is a combo having a rectangular raised panel (the panel being similar in shape and style to a C-man) that is clearly a Williams-made wrench but bearing only the TRW name and using different model numbers than on Williams wrenches.

When Snap-on bought the line in 1993, it only acquired the trademarks and intellectual property, everything else was already gone.

That's about what I can recall.
Thanks for the information! I really couldn't find much about it on the web.
 

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When I aquired my old Williams tools it was from hardware stores serving industrial customers. There is minimal polishing. It was all function but in spite of that the stuff was not thick and clunky and got in where any quality automotive targeted brand fit. I love my ratchets. The round heads are small and work beautifully and they have never been apart.

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Do you happen to recall about what year that was?
 

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Thanks for the information! I really couldn't find much about it on the web.
Williams seems to be one of those lines that doesn't gather much interest about the period surrounding its demise. My research was inspired by the variations in the markings I found on late model 52 series Superratchets. After my initial poking around, I found that no one seemed to have a handle on this, nor did it appear as if anybody cared. The apparent wholesale lack of catalogs available from that era forced me to look into government records of bankruptcies, name changes and trademark assignments, which is where much of this info trail comes from. A subsequent examination of artifacts from a very large hoard of late model Williams tools I had previously acquired confirmed what was found in the paper trail.

The Vulcan info surfaced during that research. Fortunately, there was more anecdotal info out on the web, I suppose because buying tools off a truck is a more special and memorable experience. On another thread that I can't recall at this time, a member actually posted an old photo of a VULCAN tool truck!
 

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Sorry no picture but I have a lonely 1/2" drive Volume socket VS-1222 which must be eligible in this thread.
 

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Here are pics of the wrenches I mentioned that I believe may be from around the 1984-86 "Williams Hand Tools" period after TRW sold off the company. The top wrench is particularly interesting since it bears both the Williams and TRW name along with standard Williams model number. I can find no documentation as to when TRW started this dual marking since they ran for years without TRW being marked on any Williams tools. Nor does any reason come to mind as to why the TRW was suddenly added, which is why I suspected they may have been contract tools after the Williams sale. From what I can tell, the modern iteration of the Williams trademark (no more JH, & Co., or Super- marks, and with rounded font having only the W in uppercase) finalized in the early 1980s.

The bottom two RP wrenches are marked TRW only with different model numbers than on Williams wrenches. The geometry of the handle as well as the style of the forging mark leaves no doubt in my mind these were made in the Williams factory. I believe they were made under contract for TRW by the now-separate Williams Hand Tools in that 1984-86 period. Apparently, TRW still wanted to sell hand tools under their own brand.

Of course, all this info may not really jive with the title of this thread, since it all came after the "J.H." Williams era.
 

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Nice wrenches. I have seen a good bit of TRW wrenches that were seconds or otherwise not finished around Buffalo. Based on the last couple posts in this thread, It’s possible their tools were possibly made elsewhere too:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18481&showall=1
Very informative thread link in spite of a few inaccuracies. I particularly find the socket set shown from an eBay auction to be very informative. Shame there's not good closeups on individual parts of the set to get a clear look at the markings.

I'm afraid it may not tell us more about when TRW started selling TRW-only marked tools, since this is a special-made commemorative set, and so the TRW-only marks may have been limited to that issue during 1975. There's simply not enough remaining documentation to confirm some of this.

It's interesting to note that by the Williams catalog that came with the set, the JH Williams & Co name had not yet been changed to JH Williams Industrial, which helps confirm my suspicions that the change occurred in the late 70s. I also noted the 51 series ratchet on the back cover, as well as a couple of other obsolete-looking tools--they may have still been making them or they used an old photo.

I've personally handled only the two wrenches in my photos that were tools bearing only the TRW name, so I can't speak for others, but I'm very confident these two were made by Williams.
 
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Thanks 3bay. Dont remember seeing that thread before.
Thanks Dadstools for
Piecing together the puzzle too.
 

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Very informative thread link in spite of a few inaccuracies. I particularly find the socket set shown from an eBay auction to be very informative. Shame there's not good closeups on individual parts of the set to get a clear look at the markings.

I'm afraid it may not tell us more about when TRW started selling TRW-only marked tools, since this is a special-made commemorative set, and so the TRW-only marks may have been limited to that issue during 1975. There's simply not enough remaining documentation to confirm some of this.

It's interesting to note that by the Williams catalog that came with the set, the JH Williams & Co name had not yet been changed to JH Williams Industrial, which helps confirm my suspicions that the change occurred in the late 70s. I also noted the 51 series ratchet on the back cover, as well as a couple of other obsolete-looking tools--they may have still been making them or they used an old photo.

I've personally handled only the two wrenches in my photos that were tools bearing only the TRW name, so I can't speak for others, but I'm very confident these two were made by Williams.

Dads- I own that set. I can’t provide pictures at the moment, but in this thread are some pictures of the same model ratchet and some sockets I aquired earlier.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264122

As far as the ratchet on the catalog back cover, I think it’s a 3/4 ratchet, so probably an H-51.
The round head ratchets in the catalog were using both the classic roundhead Williams Superratchet mechanism and what I call the TRW style round head, more commonly seen as Williams industrial ratchets.

I have nothing on when the TRW brand tools were being produced or where the Columbia brand fits in. There is also the Hornet brand with little info as well.
 

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I have evidence that Williams tool post and lathe type wrenches were marketed in Mexico during the Greenfield ownership. I tend to see more of those than general mechanics tools.
 

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-A couple TRW 3/4 ratchets and extension.
-TRW 1/4 and Williams 1/4 with a similar but smaller mechanism.
-TRW 3/4 extension compared to Vulcan extension,they’re basically the same and the same as one marked Williams.
 

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-Vulcan 3/4 socket set. Pretty much the same as a Williams other than the name.
-Vulcan ratchet and TRW.
 

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Speaking of Motorcycles. These 2 tire irons have "DUNLAP" STAMPED INTO THEM.
I beleive Williams forged stuff for DUNLAP?
And these 2 irons will not bend or break until the end of time and me of course!
I have used these and lent them to friends for over 40 years.
No one could make these nowadays! At any price!
I love them! They are about 20" long.
Dunlap was a lower end Sears brand, slotted below Craftsman. That means Williams would have made it for Sears

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Here's my collection of Williams obstruction wrenches. To be honest, bonneyman got me started on these. Earlier in the thread (reply #13) he posted a photo depicting his Williams obstruction wrench collection. I liked the wrenches and thought I'd make a set of my own, so I got started on it. Well, completing the set is going to be a lot harder than I initially thought it might be. They're not very common and I think there's at least thirty SAE variations, as well as several Whitworth and metric sizes. I’ve never seen a metric version. Anyway, after a few years of collecting, here's what I have so far. Included in the photo below are three Whitworth wrenches and one factory "Special" wrench with openings of 7/8" and 1 1/16".

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Found a couple of these wide groove 30's/40's era "diamond W" 1/2" drive 12 pt sockets today. ST-1226 13/16" and ST-1230 15/16".
 

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I was happy to find this Williams NM-110 Extension-Driver and a few electrical wrenches at the flea today. See Pic 1.

All these pieces were in a roached socket case mixed in with a complete set of chrome SK. The case is not SK and not contemporary to the SK tools that were in it. I am wondering if it's a Williams case. I don't have one to compare to. Anybody know? See Pic 2 & 3.
 

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I was happy to find this Williams NM-110 Extension-Driver and a few electrical wrenches at the flea today. See Pic 1.

All these pieces were in a roached socket case mixed in with a complete set of chrome SK. The case is not SK and not contemporary to the SK tools that were in it. I am wondering if it's a Williams case. I don't have one to compare to. Anybody know? See Pic 2 & 3.

Lugs I'm am about 90% positive that's a Williams box The lid corners and the box ends are exactly the same as the one I have. The lid hinges are very similar but not the same and the nub on the lid to hold it closed doesn't look exactly the same. aprox size 1" tall x 5 1/2" wide x 2 7/8" deep
 

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Lugs I'm am about 90% positive that's a Williams box The lid corners and the box ends are exactly the same as the one I have. The lid hinges are very similar but not the same and the nub on the lid to hold it closed doesn't look exactly the same. aprox size 1" tall x 5 1/2" wide x 2 7/8" deep
It sure does look like the same construction. This is a bigger case, though, at 1-1/4" tall x 7-1/2" wide x 3-1/4" deep. A few of their other electrical sets in the mid 1940's (No. 1286PR and No. 1292PR) came in slightly bigger cases, but not that big. My case is the exact dimensions of one of the Williams midget cases in the 1947 catalog, but the case in the catalog image is not built exactly like this case. It has the simple center nub type clasp, and an overhang lid, the corners are not reinforced on the bottom. So, I am now maybe at 80% Williams. :)

EDIT: Very nice case, by the way! I'm jealous. The reason I am hoping this is Williams is I have been collecting Williams midget pieces in onesy-twosies, and I have been looking for a box. Also a Bantam (3/8") box.
 
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So as I first reported in the 2018 Garage Sale thread, I ran into a near-complete set of 11XX series Williams Midget Superrenches this morning at the flea market, all of them CHROME-MOLYBDENUM. If you're unfamiliar with the 11XX series, these are configured with 15* x 75* angles and the same opening size on each end. Missing is the 1112 (3/16"), 1113 (13/64") and 1114 (7/32"). They were discontinued and replaced with CHROME-ALLOY c. 1941/1942 and eventually ALLOY in 1942/1943. See Pics 1 & 2.

I have another near-complete set, marked CHROME-ALLOY (except for the 1132, which is an ALLOY), that I have been piecing together in onesy-twosies for several years. That set is missing the 1112 (3/16") and the 1115 (15/64"). See Pics 3 & 4.

If I mixed the markings, I'd only be missing the 1112 (3/16"), but where's the challenge and fun in that?! :)
 

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gpw_42 found a Williams box today with some Bantam (3/8-inch drive) pieces inside. I am trying to identify it. The color of the box and the color, location, and style of the decal under the lid matches pre-1947 boxes. But I can't find the set number (8 L7S, 8 L75, something like that) in any 1930's or 1940's catalogs. Bantam sets were No. 5, 6, and 7 in the late 1930's through 1941, and No. 5, 6-B, and 7-A in wartime. On top of that, they all came in boxes that were 17" long. This box is 13" long. The No. 8 suggests it might be Bantam, since Midget (1/4-inch drive) sets had 4-digit numbers (12XX) and Standard (1/2-inch drive) sets were all No. 2X, and the suffix suggests it might be a special set (and one that obviously did not include the 16-1/2" long speeder!).

Anybody got anything on this?
 

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Old Williams copper plated power sockets, 1/4 and 3/8 drive.

Assembly line type tools, some have a magnet to hold the hardware.

Also, a plain steel or industrial 1/4 locking extension.
 

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HeelSpur

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Single and double ended set screw wrenches.
The 555C is a double ended tool post wrench for set screws.

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