13 mm wrench test

[geo9]

Miskin, I understand what you mean, I proposed the particular brand for purely scientific testing reasons (and because I am curious too!). In any case, so far I have had nothing but good luck from my Facom dealer.

 

[Miskin]

Proxxon didn't make it

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Now we use Stahlwille Open Box 13
47 HRC!
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@georgy
Where are you located? Athens?

 

[Miskin]

A gift from GJ member cosmik binturong.

Bost 13mm wrench ready for testing!

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We use this to measure the chrome thickness coating on spare parts. I think is usefull to know if the wrenches have chrome coating and how much.

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For start i measure the chrome coating on Proxxon and Stahlwille

Proxxon: 0.159 mm

Stahlwille: no chrome coating indicated at permascope

That means no chrome chipping for Stahlwille!
It doesn't mean that Stahlwille have no chrome in its steel. The permascope measure the coating. For example i think with the same tester you can measure the thickness of paint on iron or steel.

 

[Monte]

interesting results.... Did you measure other wrenches too ?

 

[lok]

Yes what about gedore matadore acesa and proxon?

 

[Miskin]

interesting results.... Did you measure other wrenches too ?

Not yet, but i'm about to measure all the wrenches i have, even some i wouldn't put to test, like 600N. I think now i will start to appreciate Stahlwille more than other brands. I very curious about Gedore and Hazet.

 

[ishiboo]

I am the last person here to pitch Snap-on, but I'm going to here. I own a total of one Snap-on tool - a 1/4x5/16 flare nut wrench, which as nice as it was, was cheaper brand new on eBay than the Craftsman.

First, as mentioned... the thin wrenches are not helping to distribute the force.

Second, the hardness is definitely an issue which is why tools which would otherwise hold up fine are getting their asses kicked. I think this may be a legitimate boon for not only the high quality steel Snap-on uses (not that the Euro variants do not) and being thicker, but also the flank drive plus setup which I think will have an advantage in these situations. There are lots of competitors in the US, I am surprised though that not a wrench you picked up has anything other than a "flat" profile to it.

Suggestions about making the bolt weaker are rather frightening. Not only is there the real danger of a piece of tooling coming flying off (bad), but the bigger risk is now instead of rounding off the wrench, you round off the bolt... and it does NOT look like that would leave you many options for easy removal. Worst case scenario now - you have to replace the wrench once and a while.

 

[Miskin]

I am the last person here to pitch Snap-on, but I'm going to here. I own a total of one Snap-on tool - a 1/4x5/16 flare nut wrench, which as nice as it was, was cheaper brand new on eBay than the Craftsman.

First, as mentioned... the thin wrenches are not helping to distribute the force.

Second, the hardness is definitely an issue which is why tools which would otherwise hold up fine are getting their asses kicked. I think this may be a legitimate boon for not only the high quality steel Snap-on uses (not that the Euro variants do not) and being thicker, but also the flank drive plus setup which I think will have an advantage in these situations. There are lots of competitors in the US, I am surprised though that not a wrench you picked up has anything other than a "flat" profile to it.

Suggestions about making the bolt weaker are rather frightening. Not only is there the real danger of a piece of tooling coming flying off (bad), but the bigger risk is now instead of rounding off the wrench, you round off the bolt... and it does NOT look like that would leave you many options for easy removal. Worst case scenario now - you have to replace the wrench once and a while.

As i mentioned few post back, is very difficult to find US made tools in Greece. The only US wrench we use is this Williams Vulcan

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About flank drive plus, is something i want to try out in the future. Now i stick to the common wrenches for a full inspection

 

[ishiboo]

As i mentioned few post back, is very difficult to find US made tools in Greece. The only US wrench we use is this Williams Vulcan

About flank drive plus, is something i want to try out in the future. Now i stick to the common wrenches for a full inspection

Absolutely I understand... I am just suggesting it may be worth the hassle of getting one to try If you need it, there are many people here who would buy one (including myself) and ship it to you at cost.

Looks like the wrench is US $32 new... that is why I don't own Snap-on, not because they're not the best, but because I can buy a whole SET of decent wrenches for $32

 

[Miskin]

Absolutely I understand... I am just suggesting it may be worth the hassle of getting one to try If you need it, there are many people here who would buy one (including myself) and ship it to you at cost.

Looks like the wrench is US $32 new... that is why I don't own Snap-on, not because they're not the best, but because I can buy a whole SET of decent wrenches for $32

$32 (24,20 €) to mess up the wrench is too much. I will buy a Snap-on to measure the hardness and chrome coating, but first i want to search Greek shops to find a forgotten set of Snap-on if i'm lucky.

 

[wolf_from_wv]

I see a ratcheting 13mm wrench in my future...

 

[Monte]

maybe you can get ahold of a Stahlwille "soft grip" wrench..? maybe the jaw design will work better ?

 

[Miskin]

maybe you can get ahold of a Stahlwille "soft grip" wrench..? maybe the jaw design will work better ?

Who knows? Maybe. Mmmm from the pic looks a bit slippery. I mean less contact surface with the screw's head, less torque. Is this wrench actually works?

 

[ishiboo]

Who knows? Maybe. Mmmm from the pic looks a bit slippery. I mean less contact surface with the screw's head, less torque. Is this wrench actually works?

How about a GearWrench surface drive? $4.00 shipped in the US... not sure the most economical way to get it to Greece though.

I'm curious how the surface drive performs, though I don't think the GW steel is anywhere near where Snap-on is.

The purpose of most of these drives is to relocate the stresses from the edges of the fastener to the flat "faces"... so I think the benefit with that hard bolt is that it would move the forces from the sharp ends.

 

[Miskin]

How about a GearWrench surface drive? $4.00 shipped in the US... not sure the most economical way to get it to Greece though.

I'm curious how the surface drive performs, though I don't think the GW steel is anywhere near where Snap-on is.

The purpose of most of these drives is to relocate the stresses from the edges of the fastener to the flat "faces"... so I think the benefit with that hard bolt is that it would move the forces from the sharp ends.

Ooohh I think i can answer your question...

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... but it's locked and only my supervisor use it. In the future i will 'scan' some wrenches, but it will take time...

 

[lok]

maybe you can get ahold of a Stahlwille "soft grip" wrench..? maybe the jaw design will work better ?

Monte is right.

Or maybe this type of wrenches.

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[Monte]

...or try a Heyco "Maxline" wrench which is made of higher grade spring steel or a Wera Joker with it´s special jaw design which might work better ? .....the wrench is made out of chrom-molybdenum.

 

[Miskin]

...or try a Heyco "Maxline" wrench which is made of higher grade spring steel or a Wera Joker with it´s special jaw design which might work better ? .....the wrench is made out of chrom-molybdenum.

Unfortunately i sold the Wera Joker set i had

 

[Monte]

Unfortunately i sold the Wera Joker set i had

oooooooops time to buy another set or just the 13mm wrench

 

[Kracin]

quick, someone send this thread to a snap-on rep and some other high end tool companies and see how many of them will toss a 13mm his way to test out where all others have failed!

 

[Miskin]

oooooooops time to buy another set or just the 13mm wrench

It was a Taiwanese made one, so what the difference? I use this

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[Miskin]

quick, someone send this thread to a snap-on rep and some other high end tool companies and see how many of them will toss a 13mm his way to test out where all others have failed!

Βe patience, i will find a Snap-on wrench here in Greece or in another part of the Old World with acceptable shipping. In the end I will go to the gate of U.S. base in Crete to ask a wrench from the guard. Even better I can go to the American Embassy located a 10 minute walk from my house and tell them: "Why Snap-On has no representative in Greece? Shame!"

 

[bahcoswed]

I can send you an old bahco pu stockholm and a new bahco belzer 1952m if you want?! Old bahco is very strong, stronger than all you have test in this thread!

 

[ishiboo]

Βe patience, i will find a Snap-on wrench here in Greece or in another part of the Old World with acceptable shipping. In the end I will go to the gate of U.S. base in Crete to ask a wrench from the guard. Even better I can go to the American Embassy located a 10 minute walk from my house and tell them: "Why Snap-On has no representative in Greece? Shame!"

Just keep in mind in most of these brands, there are regular and then the flank drive/surface drive/other random trademark for the special "jaws". I think specifically a wrench designed to grip on the faces of the bolt will be beneficial, but it must also be a good grade steel.

Keep an eye out for the Snap-on flank drive plus... there must be a 13mm left in Greece

 

[Miskin]

I can send you an old bahco pu stockholm and a new bahco belzer 1952m if you want?! Old bahco is very strong, stronger than all you have test in this thread!

We could arrange that!

 

[Miskin]

Some new interesting data
Brand HRC Chrome coating (mm)
Matador 190--------------------41--------------------0.085
Garant---------------------------41---------------------~0
Stahlwille-----------------------47----------------------~0
Matador 190 old series---------38--------------------0.15
HR (India) Lidl------------------34--------------------0.10
Bost-----------------------------49 -----------0.08
Dowidat No6 12-13-------------38--------------------0.10
Gedore No6 14-17--------------52 --------------0.10
Unior----------------------------47.5-------------------0.15
IUS------------------------------47 --------------0.05
Izeltas---------------------------44----------------------~0
Cobalt Ratcheting Wrench------45----------------------~0
Hazet 600N beam---------35--------------------0.17
----------------open end-------- 31---------------------~0

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I didn't expect the measures of 600N. Very soft. I triple check it. The average
was the values i gave (this is true for all values).
Also surprised by Bost. I must notice the chrome peeling in this wrench. And i didn't even use it.
Gedore No 6.
From the start of this thread i said that i must work with this wrench. The values points the correctness of that state.

 

[Kracin]

why dont you take one of those super hard bolts out and check the hardness on it?

 

[Miskin]

why dont you take one of those super hard bolts out and check the hardness on it?

Check the first post

 

[Kracin]

Check the first post

lol i must have missed that first hardness check, of course lol

 

[cosmik binturong]

@georgy
No, not yet. Facom.... too shiny to destroyed
But i would like to measure its hardness, especially compared with an old Facom made in France.

Miskin, got an almost new Facom 440 from same friend for you if you still do want to test it for hardness + some real world hard bolt testin'!


Monte, if i remember correctly, you do already have one of those in your collection so you won't mind, eh?

 

[Nocturnal-G]

Miskin... did you check the Hazet again? I'm curious why the HRC is low.

 

[Miskin]

Miskin, got an almost new Facom 440 from same friend for you if you still do want to test it for hardness + some real world hard bolt testin'!


Monte, if i remember correctly, you do already have one of those in your collection so you won't mind, eh?

Cosmik binturong find out where Monte lives, steal all his 13 mm wrenches and mail them to me!!

Miskin... did you check the Hazet again? I'm curious why the HRC is low.

Not yet, i plan to check a 600N 14mm and a 450 10x11.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Cosmik binturong find out where Monte lives, steal all his 13 mm wrenches and mail them to me!!

i would never steal Monte's 13mm wrenches: too many of them and i'll break my back doing so!

but i'll mail you some nice ones from time to time if you want...





pssst! Monte, you should do a "my growing collection of 13mm combo wrenches from around the world" thread just so we can see them all!(beware of that guy lurking all day in your alley with an Okuma t-shirt, a big bag and a lust for 13mm wrenches! )

 

[porschedude996TT]

Get two identical wrenches and weld them together, as in sandwich them and weld them on the sides somewhat away from the open jaws.

 

[Monte]

Monte, if i remember correctly, you do already have one of those in your collection so you won't mind, eh?

yup thanks for asking you`re allowed to send it to Miskin

Cosmik binturong find out where Monte lives, steal all his 13 mm wrenches and mail them to me!!

i live in a castle far away and it´s dangerous to enter it
here i live :

i would never steal Monte's 13mm wrenches: too many of them and i'll break my back doing so!

pssst! Monte, you should do a "my growing collection of 13mm combo wrenches from around the world" thread just so we can see them all!(beware of that guy lurking all day in your alley with an Okuma t-shirt, a big bag and a lust for 13mm wrenches! )

lol yeah i´ll watch out
good idea.... i will start a new thread but i´ll take some new pics before....stay tuned

 

[Gotmayhem]

When a SO wrench finally makes it into Miskin's hands the results are going to cause a GJ meltdown regardless of whether it's the best or not.

Seriously, Miskin, if you give up all hope in your pawn shop/second hand search in Greece let us know.

 

[Miskin]

Miskin... did you check the Hazet again? I'm curious why the HRC is low.

I check a couple of Hazet again. A 600N 14 and a 450N 10x11. Similar results with 600N 13 i checked a few posts before

Hazet 600N 14--------------36.5 HRC---------------~0 chrome coating on the open end (you can distinguish the sign from hardness meter on the open end)
The chrome coating on the beam is 0,1 mm.
Someone with experience with hardness tests, realize how 'big' is the sign on 14mm. The bigger the sign, the softer steel.
Hazet 450N 10x11----------39,5 HRC---------------0,08 mm chrome coating. The sign from the hardness meter is on the right side (open end 11)

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I didn't expect that. Is there something i don't understand? Why Hazet uses so soft material? I'm not a metallurgist, so my opinion doesn't count.

 

[marcone]

Glad to see IUS scored high in the hardness test! Think I'll give them a try out of national pride

 

[shockwave]

I would like to see how a hazet 13mm fares on your test

 

[Miskin]

I would like to see how a hazet 13mm fares on your test

The Hazet 600N 13 is a part of my wrench set. I won't destroyed.
Besides that costs 12 € ($16) excluded taxes here in Greece. Too expensive for me