Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT 3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop

[slodat]

You're gonna love it! I had a cast iron router extension in my Unisaw for years. It was a great setup, and it takes no floor space. You can use your table saw fence for straight stuff, if you want to use it that way.

 

[Krfjkm]

That’s my exact set up; you will love it!!

 

[loganb]

Little garage time before the household awakes, got things aligned and all put back on.






Now to get some time to move things around....hopefully here this morning it can be repositioned and powered up

 

[Chrisb62]

Congratulations........but you didn’t make a trip to Florida out of it!!
You can’t pass up deal like that, especially if it’s close by.

 

[Trapps]

Congrats! This really anchors your shop. Awesome score!

 

[harley jim]

Wow, that's going to be a nice set up.

 

[nicholam77]

Looks amazing Logan, I’m super jealous!

 

[loganb]

Quick run over to father in laws during nap to change brake light bulbs gave an excuse to use the Wera Tool Check I got for christmas.




Got the old router table cleaned up and pictures to a neighbor...be too easy to push it across the street to sell it...




Found out the tablesaw is a tad shorter then a Unisaw on it's mobile base, fortunately I horded casters from company auctions and have a couple more sets of heavy duty 4.25" tall ones(shown in picture below ready for grease) which nets 3" of drop and I need about 1.25" so may end up with another piece of 2x lumber as a spacer.



And what I'm calling the new layout



Dust collector temp home isnt figured out yet, but it's on wheels so easy to move out of the way. I'd like to figure out a new home for the hardware cabinet and festool mft cart combo shown behind the collector. If I do that I could at least run piece in the planned duct run along that wall and down the road just have to redo the line up into it. Long term it's planned to wall mount up high in the "back corner" and have a run(or 2 maybe) across the ceiling then one along each wall as well. I think the duct run for the tablesaw will drop down at the back left corner (when standing at the operator position) from the saw and that port can also be the primary planer collection port.

Getting rid of the router table this week and some continued cleanup should help me figure out what's going where for the slightly longer term....late March showing up and snowblower going back to the backyard shed would help too!

And yes....the saw has been turned on....but hasn't cut anything yet....trying to hold off on that until more cleaning is done and the "outfeed" is ready

 

[Boostingaz]

To bad you aren't closer I'd snag that router table.

 

[loganb]

Dude...wtf!!!


Bret

Pretty much what I said outloud when I saw the posting....

That’s an awesome saw! Nice find and congrats.

Thanks TJ! Super excited to get it in use

Wow! You’re like me with cookies in the house (no willpower whatsoever)!

Jokes aside, you’re one lucky SOB, that’s a great looking piece of kit. Looking forward to your thoughts on it after use.

You might think you’re out of the woods but I’m going to hold you accountable — I believe there was a cross cut slider mentioned?

Congrats!

There is a reason I don't buy cookies or encourage too many to be made in the house....last think I need is them sitting out tempting me when I come down...cause yeah....a pack of Oreo's won't last a couple days

And I need the accountability! Now that it's in and positioned I'm gonna try and catch up on some other things then update the garage CAD model and try and put in that sliding attachment and see how it works out. Worried about space a bit with it....but I think I can make it work

You're gonna love it! I had a cast iron router extension in my Unisaw for years. It was a great setup, and it takes no floor space. You can use your table saw fence for straight stuff, if you want to use it that way.

I hope so...and thanks! Getting the old router table kinda "out of the way" really highlighted how much space it took up and having this with dedicated dust collection and plumbed right in will be very nice. The router itself is a bit smaller as it's the 2.25 or 2.5 hp Bosch instead of the beefy 7518 Porter Cable....but I have no intention of making raised panel doors so I'm not at all concerned about the smaller router...and my other 2 are the same Bosch router so common wrenches, easy to directly swap if it dies is a nice bonus

That’s my exact set up; you will love it!!

Any pictures?

Congratulations........but you didn’t make a trip to Florida out of it!!
You can’t pass up deal like that, especially if it’s close by.

Thanks! And yeah....if I went to Florida now I'd probably be coming home without a wife as she wouldn't leave the beach with the next weeks forecast here barely breaking freezing....spring here yet?

Congrats! This really anchors your shop. Awesome score!

Thanks! Looking forward to making a mess I mean something with it

Wow, that's going to be a nice set up.

Thanks!

Looks amazing Logan, I’m super jealous!

You're welcome to leave the snowy north pole and head down here where it's just cold but nothing on the ground! Our "guest suite" as we call it is open after tonight and you can work from the downstairs office(or the garage if you want)! You could even ruin the productivity and bring the wife and kids lol!

To bad you aren't closer I'd snag that router table.

Load a kid or two up and do a road trip, it's a work trip as you have to do some in person team building with the team member up here right? But yeah...delivery on this one would cost a bit more than the $20 you paid on the bandsaw.

 

[Boostingaz]

Load a kid or two up and do a road trip, it's a work trip as you have to do some in person team building with the team member up here right? But yeah...delivery on this one would cost a bit more than the $20 you paid on the bandsaw.

$40 dollar delivery, twist my arm.....

No I make them come here. We did look at a 5th wheel yesterday. That might make it a different story. Work trip!

 

[loganb]

We did look at a 5th wheel yesterday. That might make it a different story.

Gonna take a bigger truck? Or is the Ram a 3/4 ton already

 

[Chrisb62]

Thanks! And yeah....if I went to Florida now I'd probably be coming home without a wife as she wouldn't leave the beach with the next weeks forecast here barely breaking freezing....spring here yet?

Highs in the low 80’s for the next 7 days.......so maybe yes.

Sorry , I am not rubbing it in either.,....

 

[Boostingaz]

Gonna take a bigger truck? Or is the Ram a 3/4 ton already

The Rammer is a 3500. It's about to get a huge suspension upgrade. Combo of all Thuren and King. Sneak peak at rear shocks, these are going in with all new Thuren leaf packs. Front is getting Thuren springs, Thuren track bar, Thuren sway bar, Thuren radius arms and King bypass shocks.

 

[loganb]

The Rammer is a 3500. It's about to get a huge suspension upgrade. Combo of all Thuren and King. Sneak peak at rear shocks, these are going in with all new Thuren leaf packs. Front is getting Thuren springs, Thuren track bar, Thuren sway bar, Thuren radius arms and King bypass shocks.

Nice upgrade for it!

 

[Greenlawnracing]

I may cut them down to 12" or so and have them as an emergency set. The presumed piece of metal they smacked did enough damage it broke the carbide almost to the joint, but the rest of the knives look decent so cutting down and sticking on the shelf will guarantee I never need them lol






Been leaning more heavily this way as well.....thanks for sharing your thoughts and following along!



Fully agree on the fence. I had a 52" on my Unisaw....I might've used that full capacity 1 time in 7 or so years....just wasn't necessary for what I do and with the tracksaw it's even less necessary

Curious on the 4512...is there 1 thing in particular it doesn't do well for you or just the required concessions any hybrid or heavy contractor style saw like that will have when compared to a true cabinet saw?



If it wasn't for the location that would be very tempting! I even have a great aunt who would love to have visitors in Sarasota and would kill needing the saw and dust collector on a single road trip.

I opened up the search radius a bit and found this one a tad closer and a 7 hour drive:




I think it's still a bit high compared to what I've seen other places....but it's close enough I could drive there and drink @Greenlawnracing beers before driving back the next day

While talking about Sawstops....anyone have personal experience with the smaller cross cut sliding table accy? I've never seen one in person or even at a store but the thought of putting the miter saw on a roll around cart with flip up feed tables and get rid of the dedicated infeed/outfeed stations and any higher volume cross cut would be done on this?

Really wish I had seen this last week. Could have gotten the entire forum to convince Logan to come drink my beer. We had plenty!

Try as I might, my influence alone wasn't enough.

 

[madison069]

Well, that escalated quickly!

What's your first project going to be with the stop saw?

 

[loganb]

Really wish I had seen this last week. Could have gotten the entire forum to convince Logan to come drink my beer. We had plenty!

Try as I might, my influence alone wasn't enough.

Keep it cold until next chance to remember we're old, have kids who'll be up early and call it quits by 10pm lol.

Well, that escalated quickly!

What's your first project going to be with the stop saw?

Well it ended up realizing that I don't have any more narrow push sticks! Went to rip something yesterday and realized the only pushstick I had was the Gripper push block and it was too wide....so it was kinda a tablesaw project....I used the router table part!

Decided I'd try something a bit different....Google search for "Best Push Stick design" led to a large number of crappy videos but one I did like on a design that I hadn't used before so was willing to try was this video from William Ng

So couple minutes in the CAD machine to print a 1:1 drawing to stick to some hardboard after searching for 5 minutes for a gluestick cause I was out of spray adhesive, then hitting the bandsaw, drill press, jigsaw and spindle sander lead to this:



Followed by me cheating as couldn't find the double stick tape and it's a shop push stick not furniture, screw holes are fine. Made out of a 1.25" thick plywood scrap



Then after some time at the bandsaw, drill press and jigsaw, the over to the router table with a Freud spiral pattern bit then roundover:



It needs a bit of clean up still the template wasn't as smooth as it could've been...but if this works I'll hopefully have the laser template cutter running in a bit and can easily burn a better template out with that. It feels pretty good in the hand....if I decide it's too thick I'll just resaw it into 2 thinner ones and put roundovers on the new faces


The robot slave also put in some hours today while in the semi-dark basement(can't be completely dark, then I can't monitor her on the camera) making a holder for a Ryobi blower for someone else in @Greenlawnracing's neighborhood that'll owe me a beer whenever I get down to Oklahoma City



Not my file, came off Printables.com



But gorgeous 1st layer, printed with Overture PLA





Things I learned/remembered today in the garage....

-Making stuff is fun
-I need to continue to get better organized so stuff is where it needs to be
-Dust collection is awesome

and most importantly....
-I need a heavy shop apron as had one kickback when I got careless on a corner with the pattern bit. No injuries...but a reminder for sure!


So GJ crowd...thoughts on a predominately woodworking based shop apron, preferably to mid thigh length out of heavy canvas, leather or something along those lines that offers handy pockets to carry sawdust and a few tools but can also offer protection to body and maybe clothes...but more concerned about body?

I've been looking at the Katz-Moses apron...appears pretty nice and price is very nice:

The Katz-Moses 20 oz Waxed Canvas Woodworking Tool Apron (LRG-XXXL)

Introducing The Katz-Moses 20 oz Waxed Canvas Woodworking Tool Apron in size LRG-XXXL (even bigger with optional waist extension strap). This ultra durable tool apron is the first made especially for woodworkers. It has a custom leather square holder and marking knife holder in the perfect...

kmtools.com

The kids one is super cute too and my daughter would love it. Not as sure about how much protection it offers the soft fleshy parts in the torso as it is canvas vs leather and it doesn't run as far down the leg as I think I want it to.

Calavera makes some awesome looking stuff and has some great Instagram stuff(where I found them), leather so it's heavier and more protection....but also 5x the price:

Work Aprons

Lead time on our standard lineup is 2-3 weeks. Sometimes faster if we really get cooking. Both The Gatornado and Turners Edition take a bit longer, but should be complete and out the door within 4-5 weeks. And if you have any questions at all, or want to make us aware of any special...

calaveratoolworks.com

But Calavera looks great compared to some i find when I google Leather Woodworking Apron

These look incredible and I'm sure are works of art but too spendy for me:

Leather Aprons for woodworking, tattoo, salon, barista, luthier, gunsmith | Leather By Dragonfly | Custom Leather Shop Aprons | Work Aprons

"A custom leather apron is a tool that you will use on every project." Patrick Melchior. The apron's custom design is yours…you design it with the tools you need to keep close. We help with the placement and, when needed, will suggest some options. If you are unsure of a design, we can help...

www.leatherbydragonfly.com

Any recommendations out there?

 

[slodat]

I am very happy with my apron from Hudson Durable Goods.

I made a couple minor changes- a few stitches to keep things organized in the pocket:



And a different buckle on the strap.



I wear it most days in the shop and I’m very happy with it. Also, it’s very reasonably priced and I think Amazon has them for fast shipping. They offer other colors as well.

 

[zanyad]

and most importantly....
-I need a heavy shop apron as had one kickback when I got careless on a corner with the pattern bit. No injuries...but a reminder for sure!
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.
.
Any recommendations out there?

Haven't had much chance to use mine, but seems well made and designed:

Savage Industries Apron (ASA ONE)

This is the work apron Adam wears in his shop. It is made in the US by Mafia Bags and is constructed with 18oz cotton canvas, oiled tanned leather, and nylon webbing with plastic buckles. In Adam's words I could never find the exact apron I wanted so I designed one myself. This is literally the...

adamsavage.com

I like the leather pockets, hammer loop, and leg ties.

He also has a video of how he arrived at his design:

 

[MadeByMiller]

Nice looking print!

 

[nicholam77]

But gorgeous 1st layer, printed with Overture PLA

Nice looking print!

Ok now you guys are just rubbing it in!

William Ng is awesome.

I'm out of push sticks as well. I've found I really don't use the Grippppppppper that often. It can be useful, but generally either it's a large piece like plywood that I just use my hands, or a really small piece that needs a sacrificial push stick. Or I just don't feel like constantly setting the height on the Grippppppppper.

I'm a fan of the John Heisz push stick. At first it felt like my hand was close to the blade, but it feels like I have a lot of control. If the William Ng one doesn't suit your needs, maybe check it out:

 

[a_thiel24]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4649785

I scale this up to fill up my build plate on my ender 3V2 and can print 2 at a time.

 

[ODIS]

Ok now you guys are just rubbing it in!

William Ng is awesome.

I'm out of push sticks as well. I've found I really don't use the Grippppppppper that often. It can be useful, but generally either it's a large piece like plywood that I just use my hands, or a really small piece that needs a sacrificial push stick. Or I just don't feel like constantly setting the height on the Grippppppppper.

I'm a fan of the John Heisz push stick. At first it felt like my hand was close to the blade, but it feels like I have a lot of control. If the William Ng one doesn't suit your needs, maybe check it out:

Big fan of both William and John!

 

[ODIS]

This is a great thread! Thanks for all of your posts!

 

[harley jim]

That push stick almost made me spew coffee out of my nose, next time I go down to the shop I'll post a pic, there almost identical and I made mine 25 years ago. Unreal!
I do way more steel than wood but I would still vote for a leather apron in a wood shop, cant beat the protection!

 

[bj383ss]

Here's the apron I have. 6 years in the shop still works great.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LBK7WO/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Bret

 

[loganb]

I am very happy with my apron from Hudson Durable Goods.

I made a couple minor changes- a few stitches to keep things organized in the pocket:

That one looks very nice...definitely added to the list...thanks!

Haven't had much chance to use mine, but seems well made and designed:

Savage Industries Apron (ASA ONE)

This is the work apron Adam wears in his shop. It is made in the US by Mafia Bags and is constructed with 18oz cotton canvas, oiled tanned leather, and nylon webbing with plastic buckles. In Adam's words I could never find the exact apron I wanted so I designed one myself. This is literally the...

adamsavage.com

I like the leather pockets, hammer loop, and leg ties.

He also has a video of how he arrived at his design:

Well that definitely took me down a rabbit hole...thanks! Not sure I care about paying for a signature(as unsigned are sold out) but it's still cheaper than the Calavera ones. The split leg is interesting...

Nice looking print!

Thanks! Best looking PLA print that's come off in awhile

Ok now you guys are just rubbing it in!

That wasn't the original intention....but will admit it worked rofl

William Ng is awesome.

I really like his video's as well...was sad to see nothing new it out there

I'm out of push sticks as well. I've found I really don't use the Grippppppppper that often. It can be useful, but generally either it's a large piece like plywood that I just use my hands, or a really small piece that needs a sacrificial push stick. Or I just don't feel like constantly setting the height on the Grippppppppper.

Similar love/hate relationship with the Gripppppppppppppper lol. If I can have the over glad guard down, I want it down so the passing over the blade capability not as valuable to me. Will admit I did like using it when I did dado's....but it's width is definitely a challenge

I'm a fan of the John Heisz push stick. At first it felt like my hand was close to the blade, but it feels like I have a lot of control. If the William Ng one doesn't suit your needs, maybe check it out:

Thanks for sharing as John is a new name to me! I've used one like that before...but it was so long ago I can't recall exactly how it was shaped but it was similar and I wasn't a fan...but I understand how it's designed to work thanks to 2 semesters of college Ergonomics classes. Definitely going to try it and see if maybe my "tastes" have changed....or I just used a poor knockoff on the first time around!

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4649785

I scale this up to fill up my build plate on my ender 3V2 and can print 2 at a time.

Interesting....see below....I may have had ulterior motives when I made the initial model in CAD

This is a great thread! Thanks for all of your posts!

Thank you for spending some time to follow along! Hope I can either provide guidance, ideas on what to do(or don't do) or a chuckle or two!

That push stick almost made me spew coffee out of my nose, next time I go down to the shop I'll post a pic, there almost identical and I made mine 25 years ago. Unreal!
I do way more steel than wood but I would still vote for a leather apron in a wood shop, cant beat the protection!

Reminds me of work at times....we don't do anything new....just redo things we did 10-20 years ago with a different name on it!

And leather is still is in my mind here for some reason....I could steal my welding leathers back from my brother but then I'd have to really butcher them up to cut off sleeves, add pockets etc.....so something different is probably in the works

Here's the apron I have. 6 years in the shop still works great.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LBK7WO/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Bret

LOL....I had that exact one....right up until the move from Chicago....it got lost! No idea if I accidentally tossed it, if it's in a box I somehow can't find or haven't opened.....but yes, it did all I asked of it and price was right. Biggest complaint with it and maybe putting too much weight on it given the kickback I had yesterday is it didn't offer much additional protection, so need to reconcile in my head what I'm going for.

Do I want an "all the time" apron and if I feel additional protection is needed put somethiing else on or redesign the task at hand to remove that concern....or is there that lives in the center of the Venn diagram where Protection, Function and Budget meets?

In robot slave maker projects

The somewhat alternative motive for modeling the pushstick in CAD was to try a "modular" (sounds fancy) push stick design with a replaceable wood lower portion and reusable, 3d printed upper handle part. Straight cuts are easy on average woodworking equipment and with this could also omit roundovers on the "consumable" wood part so could be entirely done with just a saw(though a couple might be easier....

Gyroid infill is just cool to me....5% infill, 4 perimeter layers to make sure it wasn't "squishy" under fingers



The finished part....hoping to cut the lower insert tonight and attached with (2) lath head screws that'll bite into the wood approximately 1/2"

 

[legenddc]

I don’t have an apron yet, mostly because I can’t afford the Calavera one! I did buy a belt and notebook cover from them and it’s been great!

You can’t buy a cheap apron with that fancy Sawstop, new bench, etc. etc.

I have thought about buying the Katz Moses one but heard some not-so wonderful things about his products just being copies of others.

 

[harley jim]

14.99 at harbor freight

 

[loganb]

Definitely faster to make the 3d printed handle one! Need to make the counter bore a tad bigger and the overall handle a bit narrower then will probably make a couple more and see what I think over the coming months. Also need to find a far more obvious color(or paint them) as they walk off worse then tape measures and pencils

 

[loganb]

This one's for @nicholam77 to let him know that even the Prusa fanperson(trying to be inclusive ya'll) club has issues at times....



Bottom 2/3rd looks great...not exactly sure what happened but I suspect a crash knocked the pieces off the build plate. Reprinting 1 at a time with supports to see if can get a more successful version

 

[slik560]

Maybe your 3D printer needs a little AI infusion. Then again, maybe not. I think it was the late Stephen Hawking that said the question is not who will control AI, but whether it can be controlled at all.

Nice work on everything BEFORE the blue blob.

 

[nicholam77]

Thanks for sharing as John is a new name to me!

!!!!

What, next are you going to tell me you haven't heard of Matthias Wandel?!

I'm just teasing, but yeah, you should check out John Heisz. He has a pretty big back-catalogue at this point, but a lot of shop-made power tools and interesting jigs. Same with Matthias if you scroll way back. I think you'd find it interesting since you have an engineering mindset. Both of them are some of the OG YouTube woodworkers before everyone and their mother got a channel. If you're ever bored and need to kill some time, I'd recommend.

This one's for @nicholam77 to let him know that even the Prusa fanperson(trying to be inclusive ya'll) club has issues at times....

Thank goodness, now I can finally sleep at night!

That's a pretty slick idea with the two-piece hybrid push block!

 

[Jeff Ivers]

Nice job on the push blocks!

 

[loganb]

Maybe your 3D printer needs a little AI infusion. Then again, maybe not. I think it was the late Stephen Hawking that said the question is not who will control AI, but whether it can be controlled at all.

Nice work on everything BEFORE the blue blob.

They do make an AI(well kinda) for printers lol! There is a plugin you can use called Spaghetti Detector or something like that which uses some AI and the camera to detect when the print fails. Challenge is it's not free...and for my prints which are not anything that the reprint cost is that great for I've never used it.

I successfully reran (2) of them today, they're holders for bike tires to screw to a wall and "grip" the tire to help keep it upright. Model from thingiverse, these are printed in PETG as they're going into a self storage unit and was a bit worried about temp but likely overkill. Going to make a couple more out of PLA and then @Greenlawnracing will be a guinea pig to determine if Oklahoma City self storage units can exceed the temp at which PLA gets soft and gooey....since they're not in direct sunlight I think they'll be ok in PLA

!!!!

What, next are you going to tell me you haven't heard of Matthias Wandel?!

Nope...I've watched a bunch of his stuff! Thanks for the recommendation on John...definitely looks like good stuff and I always am looking for more semi educational content!

That's a pretty slick idea with the two-piece hybrid push block!

Thanks! It's kind feels like a solution looking for a problem...wood push sticks have been around since about forever...but hey seemed like something fun to try. And if I hate it...I have the CAD file now for that day in the future when the CNC is running and can knock them out on that.....fingers crossed! Probably going to run a couple more at nights the next couple nights in some material vendors I haven't tried...have a batch of Jessie PLA from PrintedSolid I haven't opened yet and think there is some orange in there that should be a bit more visible...hopefully!

Nice job on the push blocks!

Thanks! And thanks for hanging out a bit and following along!

 

[wreckdiver1321]

My saw part hasn't made it into the thread yet! I'm shocked!

 

[gearhead1960]

My saw part hasn't made it into the thread yet! I'm shocked!

Tom,

Don't feel bad, my feet for a vintage chair Logan made for me never made it either and that was pre baby....I'll fix that now...

 

[jbrentd]

And a different buckle on the strap.

I have an apron much like yours and I like that buckle. Do you happen to have a link?

 

[Greenlawnracing]

To add a little flavor to Logan's project - because I'm sure some of you are thinking "what in the heck is he making bikes parts for??!!"

We collect 200 - 300 bikes a year for donations, and only have a 5 X 10 locker where they are stored between deliveries. It gets super crowded at times, with adult bikes on the ground being the most cumbersome. One thing that will likely help is keeping them upright, so adding another 2X4 across the back and using a 3D printed holder that was conveniently purple (Rock Chalk) should make life a little easier!