Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT 3rd time's a charm with a 3 car workshop
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
nicholam77
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Not saying it's better but just in case you haven't considered it, what about aligning the IKEA units left and right and an adjustable shelving unit in between them? I have no problem with asymmetry but just throwing it out there.
I think any solution taking advantage of the full depth is not going to be super practical for oft-used stuff. I totally understand not wanting to throw away that extra space, though. I think it sort of depends on what you need to put back there, but out of the two I would maybe vote for the 24" cases and the side access panel as the easiest option. And then just choose to put more long term "cold storage" stuff in there that doesn't need to be accessed often. Like winter boots during the summer season, holiday decorations, stuff like that etc.
Now get ready for some craziness.
Another idea is to raise the cabinets up, and build a full-depth structure below that has some swing-up doors on the front. Then you could shove stuff in the front, or even make a rolling plywood box on some low profile casters to pull out.
Or the lower doors could be removable and magnetically attached or something like that.
Or you could make the long drawers like you suggested and use DIY wooden slides to keep the cost down.
Or you could use the ball bearing slides but just build one huge, deep drawer, so you only have to buy one pair of slides.
Or you could use the doors like that with no drawers or cart and just build a fixed cavity to shove stuff in.
Of course in any scenario, by moving the IKEA cabinets up, you'd lose some drawers/shelves, and it would be more work to build and engineer the bottom portion.
Whatever you do, it looks like a complicated project, and I agree with Bret I will be tuning in to see what happens!
Trapps
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I think Nick's proposal for the raised shelving units, sitting on top of the 'cart-port' is an excellent option. A set of doors would keep it clean looking and not be too expensive.
Larger pneumatic casters (8"?) would make it easy to roll in and out, even over carpet. You could then custom fit the cart to utilize the whole space. Harbor Freight has these for $14.50. Recess them into your cart design for even more efficient use of space. The cart could be a simple flat item, like an automotive creeper, or more complex like a big bin with dividers and inserts.
Larger pneumatic casters (8"?) would make it easy to roll in and out, even over carpet. You could then custom fit the cart to utilize the whole space. Harbor Freight has these for $14.50. Recess them into your cart design for even more efficient use of space. The cart could be a simple flat item, like an automotive creeper, or more complex like a big bin with dividers and inserts.
XJSuperman
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No rubber tires on the carpet, IMO, and am I the only one who hates pneumatic casters? Always flat.
It may not be the smoothest, but some nicely finished wooden wheels, or maybe 3d printer ones, would roll straight on carpet and not mar or stain anything over time. The amount of use it will see means you don't have to worry about having a lubed bearing surface. Just something that rolls straight.
The large tote idea makes sense to me though. Other option is a shelf with totes on it. A nice looking door could be added to hide them. Totes could be changed out depending on season or something.
It may not be the smoothest, but some nicely finished wooden wheels, or maybe 3d printer ones, would roll straight on carpet and not mar or stain anything over time. The amount of use it will see means you don't have to worry about having a lubed bearing surface. Just something that rolls straight.
The large tote idea makes sense to me though. Other option is a shelf with totes on it. A nice looking door could be added to hide them. Totes could be changed out depending on season or something.
jar944
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Nice. Just found this thread, not sure how I missed it before.
Bob Heine
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Logan, is it possible to design a U-shaped set of cabinets with tall stuff on the sides and a low cabinet at the rear in that space under the sloped ceiling. It would mean some triangle-shaped spaces but that might be good for belts and similar items.
Been quiet here for a couple days, but not ignoring ya'll! Thanks for all the input...definitely helpful! No pretty pictures or renders in this update...maybe later tonight
Wife and I had some time blocked out on our calendars on Tuesday night to review where we each were on our progress on the bedroom updates. Unfortunately setting calendar appts with reminders seems to be the most effective way for us to keep progress like this moving....slaves to the corporate mindset and world I guess...oh well
I earned brownie points as I had more done
....but they were quickly met with 
when I talked thru what I was thinking. As things progressed we mostly got on the same page, fair amount of CAD work and "proving" left to do....but here is at least where we're leaning now.
(2) custom casework cabinets roughly 28" wide x 36" or so deep with a sloped ceiling to maximize space
Full depth drawers on the bottom 30" or so mounted on 36" slides which on something that will probably be a 44" deep drawer will be mostly full extension and a big cost savings vs a 44 or 48" slide
Still working thru the drawer height and lots of revisions to come....but likely going to have (1) 12-14" deep drawer to hold carry-on suitcases, then probably 8" deep for the remaining ones.
Drawers from that approximately 30" mark up to 48" high for normal clothes
Adjustable height shelves from 48" up to the top...likely for a lot of her shoes
I have a fair amount of work to prove/disprove that we'll have equivalent or greater drawer space then we have today....I think it'll be there but will find out as I work up the details
The "gap" between the 2 dresser units is then "scope creep" of a pull out clothes hamper. She's got roughly 20" deep by 36" wide stand up hamper with 2 cloth bags she really likes and I would like it out of sight, so going to attempt to put a 3 bag unit on a set of full extension slides to take advantage of the full depth of that center gap between the cabinets. As yet undecided on what goes above that section....will most likely depend on the dresser space math results and how much additional space we need to find....
And while staring at the project space I realized yesterday that I'm thinking about putting a 28" wide frame/carcass in a closet that has a 24" wide doorway....grrrr
So I'm probably going to have to do final assembly and glueup of the casework boxes in the closet itself which is an added hurdle I hadn't thought of but super glad I realized it early on!
Wife and I had some time blocked out on our calendars on Tuesday night to review where we each were on our progress on the bedroom updates. Unfortunately setting calendar appts with reminders seems to be the most effective way for us to keep progress like this moving....slaves to the corporate mindset and world I guess...oh well
I earned brownie points as I had more done
....but they were quickly met with when I talked thru what I was thinking. As things progressed we mostly got on the same page, fair amount of CAD work and "proving" left to do....but here is at least where we're leaning now.(2) custom casework cabinets roughly 28" wide x 36" or so deep with a sloped ceiling to maximize space
Full depth drawers on the bottom 30" or so mounted on 36" slides which on something that will probably be a 44" deep drawer will be mostly full extension and a big cost savings vs a 44 or 48" slide
Still working thru the drawer height and lots of revisions to come....but likely going to have (1) 12-14" deep drawer to hold carry-on suitcases, then probably 8" deep for the remaining ones.
Drawers from that approximately 30" mark up to 48" high for normal clothes
Adjustable height shelves from 48" up to the top...likely for a lot of her shoes
I have a fair amount of work to prove/disprove that we'll have equivalent or greater drawer space then we have today....I think it'll be there but will find out as I work up the details
The "gap" between the 2 dresser units is then "scope creep" of a pull out clothes hamper. She's got roughly 20" deep by 36" wide stand up hamper with 2 cloth bags she really likes and I would like it out of sight, so going to attempt to put a 3 bag unit on a set of full extension slides to take advantage of the full depth of that center gap between the cabinets. As yet undecided on what goes above that section....will most likely depend on the dresser space math results and how much additional space we need to find....
And while staring at the project space I realized yesterday that I'm thinking about putting a 28" wide frame/carcass in a closet that has a 24" wide doorway....grrrr
So I'm probably going to have to do final assembly and glueup of the casework boxes in the closet itself which is an added hurdle I hadn't thought of but super glad I realized it early on!
Unruh
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You are really doing great with that 3D printer. I love the idea of doing your own house like that. Maybe turn those into custom birdhouses? Also I need a couple of custom D&D mini’s made.
dcuthill
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I didnt see a link to the seal you had in your post. Do you mind sharing? I have the same issue. Thanks
OutlawDrifter
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Post #705 in my thread has the link.
Quick update....killed some time this evening on "da google" and got smarter on how to do woodworking models in Solidworks so trying to put it to use. Couple of the tricks helped me get to this point much quicker than otherwise would have:
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Still trying to just get rough casework layout to then drive the storage area math....hopefully this weekend I'll get some either late night or early morning CAD time and be able to get the rough layout for both case's done and maybe something roughed out for the center laundry hamper and see how things look
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Still trying to just get rough casework layout to then drive the storage area math....hopefully this weekend I'll get some either late night or early morning CAD time and be able to get the rough layout for both case's done and maybe something roughed out for the center laundry hamper and see how things look
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dcuthill
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Thank you sir!
Trapps
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Solution is looking great. It's also begging to have a couple of concealed spaces behind the two lower drawers - not that I'm suggesting you have anything to hide!
Side access or a false drawer back perhaps.
Quick garage update...
Trying to sort thru stuff and organize like with like and get rid of other stufff....slowly but surely so thats the excuse for the **** covering my main work table
Thanks to @Duker's warehouse posts, have picked up a couple new ergo floor mats in the last couple weeks for about 25 to 40% of new price which have been a nice addition for thr feet and back!
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Just got the long one this week, once I move things around it will eventually sit in front of the long bench more centered.
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Trying to sort thru stuff and organize like with like and get rid of other stufff....slowly but surely so thats the excuse for the **** covering my main work table
Thanks to @Duker's warehouse posts, have picked up a couple new ergo floor mats in the last couple weeks for about 25 to 40% of new price which have been a nice addition for thr feet and back!
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Just got the long one this week, once I move things around it will eventually sit in front of the long bench more centered.
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OutlawDrifter
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Yes, a good mat can really improve the experience of standing in the shop for long durations!
Agreed! They make it more work to roll around some of the bigger tools, but they're worth it. Last place I had some castoff's I'd picked up at work auctions that were too worn to keep using at work which was better than bare concrete, but not having worn out spots in them is a big plus!
Little bit of progress today...but not a ton:
After seeing Bret's great post on making some bulk jig handles for future usage...
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8893517&postcount=2391
It reminded me I had intended to make a small collection on the 3D printer for usage on various things...but hadn't found a design I really liked yet. So a bit of time on Thingiverse found this one which accomplished a lot of what I was thinking:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2332179
Spool up (5) of the 1/4-20 one's and 2 hours later ready to try....but haven't got that that yet!
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Accomplished a 1st today...first time both rides went into the garage:
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However it's not for fun....or something that I try to do regularly....more because of this fun little graphic:
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I'm in the 6-8" range so not horrible....but it's easier to clean the driveway if the cars are in the garage. Not supposed to start till early morning so hopefully can at least have morning daycare before they call it off...will see!
Either way....Go Kansas City Chiefs!
tj675
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I didn’t realize you could print fine enough for the knob to be threaded. I look forward to your review on those.
Same storm is headed our way for Tuesday morning.
Same storm is headed our way for Tuesday morning.
Yup, I will probably clean them all up with a tap just to remove any debris, but a bolt did run in without much effort. This was first time printing threads but from everything I've seen it should work just fine for applications like this
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nicholam77
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Oof, that's a good catch!
The jig knobs look good. The "knurling" is a nice detail. Do you have a snowblower or do you shovel? 6-8 is a good amount! We had some snow last night, more like 3-4 inches but it's always a chore.
Those knobs are too cool. Better than mine I think! But I will tell you can keep all that white stuff to your self. HEHE.
Also that would have been a sunk stomach feeling when it didn't fit through the door. I have done that myself on projects. It's like Doc Brown always said: You're not thinking 4th dimensionally!
Bret
Also that would have been a sunk stomach feeling when it didn't fit through the door. I have done that myself on projects. It's like Doc Brown always said: You're not thinking 4th dimensionally!
Bret
Screw shoveling lol
Picked up a new Toro Snowmaster blower this fall...used it 2x so far and really like it. The joys of a corner lot means I have 300' ft of sidewalk plus a fair sized 3 car driveway so no way I wanted to do that by shovel! I did shovel my Chicago house the last 3 years, but had no sidewalk and only probably 75' long of single car wide driveway to do there so didn't take too long.
Yeah....that type of an error missing the 24" door is something I can easily see myself doing so glad I realized it early! Maybe it means Domino in my future????
I'll gladly share the snow....but I think I'd rather have this occasional snow then your consistently hot summers!
And in awesome news.....the latest forecast has even more snow for me to share with Bret and his fellow Texans
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OutlawDrifter
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Logan, I'm in the very edge of the 8-12" to the south. Skid steer is gassed up and ready to push snow!
Safe travels in your normal commute!
Safe travels in your normal commute!
So it beings.....
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Started snowing right at 7am...now forecast for 10-12" range, strongest "intensity" supposed to be around 11 am to 7pm so hoping to get some stuff done at work this morning before I risk getting kiddo and wife back in the house(work from home) to distract me. Daycare was still open though and was optimistic they could stay open all day....so if that happens will hopefully be a "normal" day here
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Started snowing right at 7am...now forecast for 10-12" range, strongest "intensity" supposed to be around 11 am to 7pm so hoping to get some stuff done at work this morning before I risk getting kiddo and wife back in the house(work from home) to distract me. Daycare was still open though and was optimistic they could stay open all day....so if that happens will hopefully be a "normal" day here
XJSuperman
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We got hammered lastnight and this morning. Sounds like over 12" in DSM area. Im north of there a bit but had nowhere to get a good measurement due to all the drifting.
What was your final total?
What was your final total?
OutlawDrifter
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It ended up skipping us, we had around 3"...1-3" more expected tonight.
Looks like Lincoln/Omaha got hammered too.
Looks like Lincoln/Omaha got hammered too.
Ended up right around 12" at our place:
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Official totals at the airport on Monday was 11.9" for Omaha and 14.5" in Lincoln which is the most in decades for either in a single storm so it was one for the history books but it really wasn't too bad. No ice, minimal wind and it was very light and easy to blow so this one was actually easier to clean off sidewalks and driveways than our 8" one end of December that was wet and sticky. The Toro Snowmaster continues to earn her keep though and cleared our driveway 3x, our 300' of sidewalk 2x and helped clean out 2 neighbors driveways without missing a beat so I have 0 complaints on the snowblower other than having to use it!
An hour south of Omaha around the Nebraska/Iowa/Missouri border where I have previously lived got around 14-16" in many spots and that came with more wind and it often drifts like a mofo there...several colleagues with rural residences were hoping their roads were broke open by Wednesday afternoon but it's not a surprise for them and just something you deal with in exchange for no neighbors!
An old classmate of mine created this: https://grabcad.com/library/solidworks-lumber-weldment-profile-library-1
After an exhausting week...some garage therapy time:
Needing to get the next shelf up to help in organization efforts:
With 12" tall totes, 18" down from the top shelf gives some room for some extra:
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Love the laser:
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Wack the unistrut off with the mini portaband....use this way more often then I expected:
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3rd hand pole coming in handy to set it in place solo:
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And got the end strut on prior to nap time ending and returning to the house to coordinate afternoon activities:
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Needing to get the next shelf up to help in organization efforts:
With 12" tall totes, 18" down from the top shelf gives some room for some extra:
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Love the laser:
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Wack the unistrut off with the mini portaband....use this way more often then I expected:
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3rd hand pole coming in handy to set it in place solo:
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And got the end strut on prior to nap time ending and returning to the house to coordinate afternoon activities:
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Was hoping to get this done this weekend....well that didn't happen but not terribly far off:
My first set of cabinet clamps got used for their inaugural project...worked great even if it wasn't what I intended to use them on first
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Where we ended the weekend at:
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Pickup order at HD after daycare run tomorrow should allow me to get close to finishing it over lunch hour if things go well
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My first set of cabinet clamps got used for their inaugural project...worked great even if it wasn't what I intended to use them on first
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Where we ended the weekend at:
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Pickup order at HD after daycare run tomorrow should allow me to get close to finishing it over lunch hour if things go well
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bradpac
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I just bought a used box trailer that had quite a few pole clamps in it. Not useful for securing a car so I was wondering what I would do with them. Your 3rd hand just gave me a use, as most of the time I work alone too, a height adjustable fairly rigid set of small stands would be great.
That will save me hours as creating wood components as structural members for the weldment tool was one of the tricks I learned and I had created the 1x3 I'm planning to use for the face frame. I had on the list to build out a bigger library but hadn't considered looking to see if I could download a library....thank you!
Did get a bit of time in the garage after kiddo's bed time:
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Mostly done...still have to screw down the plywood completely and figure out how I anchor the right hand side where it dies to the wall. I ran the wall bracket for the upper shelf past the front face of the shelf to make it easier to turn that corner and put a shelf along that wall in the future. Side benefit of it was it also enabled me to grab that next wall stud. As it sits right now there isn't a stud in that wall section to make anchoring clean and easy so a less clean solution will have to be decided on....tomorrow
Mikegt350r
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Nice job looking forward to seeing it all done!
Unruh
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Really looks great! I love this kind of stuff. Makes such a difference when it is time to clean up and you know right where to put things.
That will save me hours as creating wood components as structural members for the weldment tool was one of the tricks I learned and I had created the 1x3 I'm planning to use for the face frame. I had on the list to build out a bigger library but hadn't considered looking to see if I could download a library....thank you!
You're very welcome! FYI, he used Design Tables to create the SOLIDWORKS Weldment Profiles for the dimensional lumber, so you can easily add additional sizes as needed.
MacTexas
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I just found this thread and I read all ten pages. I grew up in Kansas went to school in Texas and wound up in Omaha from 71-77. I was there for the blizzard of 76. Omaha is the easiest place to find you way around, all you have to know is how many blocks the street you are looking for is north or South of Dodge. The cross streets are numbered starting a the river.
I see your neighborhood and realized Omaha has changed since I lived there. Dodge went out to 120th street from the looks of your neighborhood you live way south or way out west.
I really like what you have done with your 3D printer makes me want to get one.
By the way even though I have lived in Texas since 77 I am still a Kansas City Chiefs fan. You are always a fan of the team you grow up with. I remember when the Chiefs moved to Kansas City in 64.
That is probably enough nostalgia for one post.
Keep up the good work and enjoy Omaha.
I see your neighborhood and realized Omaha has changed since I lived there. Dodge went out to 120th street from the looks of your neighborhood you live way south or way out west.
I really like what you have done with your 3D printer makes me want to get one.
By the way even though I have lived in Texas since 77 I am still a Kansas City Chiefs fan. You are always a fan of the team you grow up with. I remember when the Chiefs moved to Kansas City in 64.
That is probably enough nostalgia for one post.
Keep up the good work and enjoy Omaha.
So today was a day that made me fortunate for a work schedule that is largely self directed as I had no customer meetings and nothing critical for the next couple days which aligned with the amount of "give a darn" I had this AM so I took a vacation day to get some garage time and hopefully find a better balance.
Nothing in particular on the schedule for today in the garage other than cleanup/put away and see where things go...well that landed on focusing on this corner which is the bay the wife's ride usually goes in:
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That was from November and some progress has been made....that deep freeze is gone and in the basement, one of those 9 hole cubbies is gone....and some of the stuff is gone...but still not what I want.
So after some general cleanup in the garage a larger daytime project started:
Got the stuff off the "top" shelf so it can be moved to the other wall:
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Brackets remounted:
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Some truth in advertising shots showing stuff that used to be in this corner strewn about:
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And the shelf in it's new home:
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I had tried to give away the other 9 hole wood Ikea-ish cubby via the neighborhood facebook group to no success so promptly knocking this one into trashcan size pieces was much more enjoyable and therapeutic!
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First time using the offset driver for the Milwaukee M12 Installation Tool...pretty slick! Of course not necessary....but when I have it....
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All that leads to this bare and dirty wall ready for primer and paint!
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And that brings us to about where stuff ended prior to supper time, bath time and then bedtime for the kiddo....and maybe the parents too!
Nothing in particular on the schedule for today in the garage other than cleanup/put away and see where things go...well that landed on focusing on this corner which is the bay the wife's ride usually goes in:
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That was from November and some progress has been made....that deep freeze is gone and in the basement, one of those 9 hole cubbies is gone....and some of the stuff is gone...but still not what I want.
So after some general cleanup in the garage a larger daytime project started:
Got the stuff off the "top" shelf so it can be moved to the other wall:
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Brackets remounted:
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Some truth in advertising shots showing stuff that used to be in this corner strewn about:
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And the shelf in it's new home:
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I had tried to give away the other 9 hole wood Ikea-ish cubby via the neighborhood facebook group to no success so promptly knocking this one into trashcan size pieces was much more enjoyable and therapeutic!
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First time using the offset driver for the Milwaukee M12 Installation Tool...pretty slick! Of course not necessary....but when I have it....
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All that leads to this bare and dirty wall ready for primer and paint!
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And that brings us to about where stuff ended prior to supper time, bath time and then bedtime for the kiddo....and maybe the parents too!
And 2 coats of primer up on the walls and a coat on this portion of the ceiling brightens and cleans up that corner nicely!
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Hopefully will be able to get a topcoat on the walls and ceiling tomorrow...shame I don't have any "listen only" conference calls on the books. That angled portion of the wall is where I intend to hang a TV. The back side of the wall should be directly above my network rack in the basement so I think it'll be relatively simple to get Cat5 and ethernet to it....famous last words! Absolutely no idea what I'm going to do with the left wall yet. Prior to next winter I believe a seating area/coat hanging/bench/locker arrangement will go on that right wall between the angled portion and the stairs into the house as we don't have a good place in the house to drop that mess when we enter off the garage.
Also knocked out a small project getting the extra garage door weatherstrip up for the interior of the top panel on the double door. The single door was done and discussed a few posts ago but hadn't done the double yet. Was made slightly more complicated due to a piece of angle metal they had reinforced the top of the door with but was able to hit the holes in it to run the screws through without having to predrill anything. Used lath screws as I liked their low profile, wide head more than the conventional hex head self tapping screw
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Hopefully will be able to get a topcoat on the walls and ceiling tomorrow...shame I don't have any "listen only" conference calls on the books. That angled portion of the wall is where I intend to hang a TV. The back side of the wall should be directly above my network rack in the basement so I think it'll be relatively simple to get Cat5 and ethernet to it....famous last words! Absolutely no idea what I'm going to do with the left wall yet. Prior to next winter I believe a seating area/coat hanging/bench/locker arrangement will go on that right wall between the angled portion and the stairs into the house as we don't have a good place in the house to drop that mess when we enter off the garage.
Also knocked out a small project getting the extra garage door weatherstrip up for the interior of the top panel on the double door. The single door was done and discussed a few posts ago but hadn't done the double yet. Was made slightly more complicated due to a piece of angle metal they had reinforced the top of the door with but was able to hit the holes in it to run the screws through without having to predrill anything. Used lath screws as I liked their low profile, wide head more than the conventional hex head self tapping screw
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Keep the nostalgia going if you'd like sir, thanks for taking the time to read up on the happenings and share! What part of Kansas did you grow up in? I was north central and then spent 4.5 years in Manhattan prior to starting my "adult" job after college
Absolutely agree with Omaha being easy to navigate....the lack of major water features/railways keeps most roads in a pretty nice and easy grid and with a consistent naming structure that even most of the outlying 'burbs follow it's super easy to get around. 12 blocks to a mile, the even mile north/south roads are the major routes and half a dozen major east/west roads makes it easy even without GPS.
And yeah....Omaha has grown a lot...."out west" now generally means at least 180th or farther west at a bare minimum....it's pretty solid housing developments out to at least 204th or so for much of the western edge and there isn't much(any) "countryside" between Omaha and Gretna/Elkhorn/Bennington like there used to be. Even the area around Gretna/Elkhorn has changed a ton in the last 15 years when I spent some time up here as a previous GF was from that area.
And good eye on guessing where we are, we're down south...Highway 370 area of Papillion, west of Offut AFB.
Thanks for the comments on the 3d printer, I'm definitely enjoying having it, soon to find a new home in a closet in my home office but with the continuing decreasing cost and increasing ability I think it's going to quickly become a more common item for hobbists as the CAD software gets cheaper/easier to use as I think that's still the major hangup for many.
Go Chiefs!
XJSuperman
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Brb, gotta check if my door has one of those...I bet it could use one if it doesn't. Nicely done!