40X60 Shop Build - Washington State

[imjustdave]

I picked up all my electrical materials and ready to start wiring up this new room. Going with the retrofit recessed lighting LED conversion kits. I wasn't going to put cans in because I don't care for that bright light in my eyes like usual but these will all be on dimmers with lenses so it should be pretty decent. The small room will also have a drop center light for over a table (or maybe pool table?) Each room will have it's own 3-way switch for each set of lights, so I can control the whole space from either side.

Any reason your going with retro fit led and can lights? They make led versions from the start. Way less stuff to start with.

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[KrucksGarage]

Hey Drives,

Thanks, yea eventually I'll build a small deck system that will tie the lower door to the upper door. I'm going to either continue the roofline of the existing on one side and cut in the second, like a mini truss, or I'll cut into the side and build an independent porch cover, still with cut in trusses, just have to decide to use the existing roof at all or go completely separate. Thoughts? I've been sketching out ideas on that one, so not sure when I'll do it. Those signs I like because they came from the old Piggly Wiggly store that my dad ran for years down by Point Defiance park in Tacoma. Just some cool local heritage, I love the look of a couple neon signs in a shop.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Hi Dave,

Great question! It seemed a little silly to me too before I decided to go this route. The reason is because I wanted the options that the complete cans provide. I didn't know if I'd wind up liking the LEDs, and I could go back to a variety of bulb options. Plus if one unit goes out the retros are super simple to replace, or to go with an entirely different kit.

 

[KrucksGarage]

I've been working on building my second floor room off and on since March, and it's starting to come together now. The main room and the attic room are all textured and painted, shiplap in one area is up and ready to paint, and I picked up material for a wainscoting shiplap in the other space. I'll be working on electrical and flooring next. Going to use a vinyl plank flooring product.

 

[Toolfool]

Good to see you back at it. Your place has really come along nicely.

 

[Mthomas1686]

Wow this place is crazy! Built like a house! I hope to be able to set my shop up half as good as yours! Beautiful job and really nice place.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Good to see you back at it. Your place has really come along nicely.

Thanks tool fool!!! It's been a lot of fun and a lot of work! I'm looking forward to getting this new space completed and usable. I have big plans...

My wife had staked claim to the attic space for a fun storage space for some of her things which will be fun to setup for her too. She's been a ton of help designing the space so we enjoy working together on it.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Wow this place is crazy! Built like a house! I hope to be able to set my shop up half as good as yours! Beautiful job and really nice place.

Thanks for the kind words friend, I appreciate it! Thanks for stopping by and checking the place out! I'm sure yours will be what you want it to be, just takes time.

 

[skully67]

Great shop. Maybe I missed it, but anything about heat and insulation for the shop part of the building? It's starting to get cold around here!!!!!

 

[KrucksGarage]

Great shop. Maybe I missed it, but anything about heat and insulation for the shop part of the building? It's starting to get cold around here!!!!!

For the upstairs I have an 18k BTU mini split ductless system that I'm going to install after all the wall covering and painting are done. I ordered that online and I'll post about that when I break into that segment with better product info, which should be in the next couple weeks. That room is 600 SF and will have two 9,000 BTU heat and AC inside units. I framed and drywalled in a pass-through to let air exchange up into the attic room. For the main shop, I haven't decided what kind of system I'll install yet, still researching operating cost for different things. I think drywall and insulation are a ways off in there, maybe next year.

 

[KrucksGarage]

This is the ductless mini split system, haven't opened it up yet... Ordered through https://www.alpinehomeair.com

 

[KrucksGarage]

I picked up a new airless paint sprayer and got all my spraying done on the shiplap, wainscoting, window sills and base trim and now working on installing electrical fixtures, outlets, and switches in this space. Ordered vinyl plank flooring and should be installing that in the next couple weeks. Met my goal of getting the extra couch that was given to us out of the house and into this room this week so my wife could setup our Christmas tree today. It was a little crowded in our house while we had two sectionals in the living room! But I couldn't pass up a free couch for the man cave!! Happy Thanksgiving to all today!

 

[BoilermakerFan]

Which model sprayer did you pick up? I probably need to invest in one soon.

And the room looks amazing!

 

[KrucksGarage]

Which model sprayer did you pick up? I probably need to invest in one soon.

And the room looks amazing!

I picked up the Graco X5 Magnum "Trueairless" sprayer. Works great, primes up easy, sprays nice and easy to adjust and clean. I really like it so far. I feel like it's already paid for itself!

 

[KrucksGarage]

Here's a few updated pictures of my upstairs space I've been working on. I have a few minor details to finish up before fully moving into it, but it's starting to come together. I'm currently working on installation of the heat pump to run the ductless units. Below the set of three port holes, I have a ship's wheel I'm building the base for to install there, and also have a telegraph that should look pretty cool along side it. A lot more fun ideas in the works and coming along.....slowly! Lots of other projects going on too...

The rendering shows a basic layout of where I'm headed but I went the game table route instead of building a farm table on the small side. between the two rooms, I'll be building a 4' rolling barn door. The side across from the sectional couch, between the windows will be a TV.

More to follow...

 

[drivesitfar]

looks like a fun room just like you said. how's the garage working out and I bet you are enjoying using it to work on your truck and cars or even just parking inside is a good thing.

any reason you picked a mini split over maybe a small furnace since you've got a pretty big garage and upstairs?

keep up the great work!!

 

[KrucksGarage]

Hey Drives! Good to hear from ya, how've you been?

The shop is working out great, have a lot of projects going on pretty much at all times but that's the idea right? Lol, lots of great time with friends and family working on various things, lot of construction and wending projects and a lot of work on various rigs. And yes working inside beats the gravel hands down!!

I went with the mini split since it's basically a living space in this area that will be kept at temp full time, and is about 600 s.f. It cost me about $2000 for the entire setup and is easy to install and supposed to be pretty efficient I have the space split into two rooms with a head in each side, 18k BTU unit overall, independently adjustable within a range. Down in the main shop it'll be a bit before I get it sheeted in and insulated and I haven't decided on what kind of system I'll run down there, still have more research to do when I get to that point.

What are anyone's thoughts on sheeting the main shop with drywall vs OSB? I'm leaving towards OSB. What about primer on either materiel, necessary, or can be left raw?

Any good/positive experiences with heating systems for 2400 s.f. space or similar? What types, sizes, how many units, etc have worked good? Wood burning is also an option.

 

[drivesitfar]

Sorry I can't help with the furnace or heat pump or whatever you decide is best to heat your space so i'll just have to watch and learn. I just installed a gas water heater and I have to say installing gas lines if you are careful is much easier than soldering copper water pipe with the new lead free solder.

good to hear you are doing great and looking forward to more updates.

 

[Jrad235]

If you have Natural gas nearby, a large Modine/Reznor style heater is an excellent way to heat a large shop like that. You definitely want a vented heater of some type. If you use large amounts of oil, a Waste oil heater is a great option, but expensive to buy. If you don't have either of those as an option, go with wood! It'll take "a minute" to knock the chill off, but today's wood-burning stoves are able to burn quite a while on a small amount of wood. Love the shop and I'll be using it as an inspiration when I build mine.

 

[drivesitfar]

I just remembered that my old neighbor used to heat is big shop with high ceilings with a PELLET STOVE. when the door was closed and i'd stop by in my winter clothes I'd have to leave cause I was sweating soon.

for my small garage i just picked up a couple 4000w & 5000w Cadet Hot one heaters, but i've heard they are not at all economical. that said I only need to heat a small area and i'm not out there everyday during the winter.

good luck

 

[KrucksGarage]

If you have Natural gas nearby, a large Modine/Reznor style heater is an excellent way to heat a large shop like that. You definitely want a vented heater of some type. If you use large amounts of oil, a Waste oil heater is a great option, but expensive to buy. If you don't have either of those as an option, go with wood! It'll take "a minute" to knock the chill off, but today's wood-burning stoves are able to burn quite a while on a small amount of wood. Love the shop and I'll be using it as an inspiration when I build mine.

Great tips and thank you for the advice, I'll look into those options when I get that far along on the project! I hope to get some inside sheeting done and insulate the ceiling by this time next year but who knows, lots on the table right now with assorted projects!

 

[KrucksGarage]

I just remembered that my old neighbor used to heat is big shop with high ceilings with a PELLET STOVE. when the door was closed and i'd stop by in my winter clothes I'd have to leave cause I was sweating soon.

for my small garage i just picked up a couple 4000w & 5000w Cadet Hot one heaters, but i've heard they are not at all economical. that said I only need to heat a small area and i'm not out there everyday during the winter.

Thanks ol buddy for the advice as well! I can imagine that's a nice way to go on the new water heater! Those are nice little heaters you have there. I remember your shop, that's a nice space! How's the vise collection going these days? I have already put some hard miles on the ones I picked up from you.

 

[drivesitfar]

my vise collection has been put on hold while i get my DIY projects finished, but I still find a nice one every now and again around here. glad to hear those BIG UNS you talked me out of have found a good home!!

if you have time and nothing to post on your own thread feel free to go to my DIY thread and help me out cause i've always got questions or something i'm doing. link in my sig line.

any pics to share of the inside of your garage or is that for only personal visits which is ok by me?

it snowed a bit here yesterday and supposed to snow more today so any over on your side of the sound?

 

[BoilermakerFan]

I picked up the Graco X5 Magnum "Trueairless" sprayer. Works great, primes up easy, sprays nice and easy to adjust and clean. I really like it so far. I feel like it's already paid for itself!

Thanks Krucks. I missed your reply earlier. I just picked up the Magnum X7 after doing a fair bit of research. I needed a model that could run a 0.017" tip. I picked it up last week but haven't used it yet. I'm ordering a whip, extension, and pressure gauge so I can run the Titan HEA and Graco LP tips.

 

[robb1887]

I just remembered that my old neighbor used to heat is big shop with high ceilings with a PELLET STOVE. when the door was closed and i'd stop by in my winter clothes I'd have to leave cause I was sweating soon.

Just went through this whole thread and the shop/room/build look awesome. I am in the early stages of planning and trying to get a solid plan built out before breaking ground.

For Heating/cooling I am planning a mini-split system as well.

I wanted to potentially add a small wood burner to supplement cold winter snaps, but after some other reading here on GJ some mentioned that in a non-primary dwelling structure most insurance companies will not cover "open flame" heating sources (wood, pellet, waste oil, etc). You may want to call your insurance company to verify. Requirements may be different in WA from VA.

 

[PhantomEB]

Any time the GF sees a wood burning fireplace in the houses we looking at, she goes look you can bring home firewood when you go camping!

 

[robb1887]

Any time the GF sees a wood burning fireplace in the houses we looking at, she goes look you can bring home firewood when you go camping!

Sounds like a good excuse to go camping more.

"Sorry babe, gotta stock up the wood pile. Winter is coming. I HAVE to go"

 

[drivesitfar]

ROBB: I'm not positive, but I think if you have the stoves inspected the insurance and state are ok with them in our garages/shops.

Krucks: anything new or just waiting for dryer warmer weather to do a few more updates?

 

[PhantomEB]

Sounds like a good excuse to go camping more.

"Sorry babe, gotta stock up the wood pile. Winter is coming. I HAVE to go"

Yep especially when I moving three hours away from the mountains.....I imagine firewood sells for a premium in this town.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Interesting points on both sides with the wood burners. I love wood heat, but I also have a lack of patience with the wood part. I haven't dove into the heating source for the main shop yet but I'll do some research on that this year. I don't want to buy the drywall or OSB right now for interior sheeting since material pricing is through the roof! I also plan to cut in baffled exhaust wall fans on the back wall and hang a couple ceiling fans along with that project. Under my bonus room I still have open joists that need insulated and sheeted, and lighting installed for the shop floor below, and above the ceiling is pieced together with leftover insulation that I have to finish up to get the R-factor condition right for the split system. A few things left to do on that but getting close to done! I'll post more pictures of the interior of the room later, I've been remodeling our home kitchen, and building block walls and garden beds in the yard....lol. Looking to keep the other projects on track too. It's nice to get a few things done for my wife too since she has been so supportive of this project.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Here are just a few pictures of the heat pump and indoor unit ductless system components I installed in my bonus room project. These are the Blueridge components from Alpine Home Air. This system works great. 18K BTU system for two spaces within an overall footprint of 600 square feet. I cut in a cedar mounting board into the back wall to install the fuse panel, surge protector, and outlet for the line sets. The install was very straight forward and simple and Alpine is a great info resource with questions. I had to buy a flaring tool to fit the copper line fittings together, and used Nylog Blue for all the joints.

All things considered, I bought the heat pump, two indoor units with mounts and remotes, service track with corners, T's, unions, and covers for the line sets, 3/8" and 1/4" insulated copper line, drain tube, communication cable, main breaker for in-shop panel, conduit, surge protector, 220 wiring, fuse panel, heat pump mounting pad, and other random fasteners etc. and it ran me just over $2K for the whole system. My friend is an HVAC tech and came over to charge the system before energizing which didn't cost me, but only took about 20 minutes or less. You can also buy the preset length pre-charged line sets if you don't mind having odd length lines. I didn't want the extra coil of line, I wanted custom fit lengths so I opted for the bulk sets and cut to fit. But I have a ton left over since they only come in longer length that I needed for my project. That may have been a cost savings had I chosen the other route.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Here are a couple photos of the wife's attic room I am wrapping up on, and the main floor with shiplap wainscoting installed and couch in place.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Reattaching this heat pump photo because the first one was small for some reason.

 

[robb1887]

So very jealous at how this is coming along. I hope to get my ground breaking started this fall.

 

[KrucksGarage]

So very jealous at how this is coming along. I hope to get my ground breaking started this fall.

That's exciting, do you have a building plan laid out at this point and the bids in order? I hope you're not going to be challenged with the price hike and material shortage issues this fall like we are now but it doesn't look great. What type of building are you planning on? A friend is building a 40x60 this year and he got bids from a pole building company and a red steel company, both structure kits came back at $43K so he's considering the steel structure. That's with a 14x14 door on the narrow end, but minus concrete, and anything else that's not part of the structure.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Having a fun little snow day here.

 

[KrucksGarage]

It's always nice to take a little break from adulthood!

 

[Toolfool]

Good to see you back. Great winter pic.

 

[KrucksGarage]

I just built this frame for this WWII Liberty ship deck hatch coffee table. I love the way it turned out. This came from the same family member that I got the port hole windows and ship wheel from.

 

[KrucksGarage]

Here it is finished.