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As per the above, the biggest impetuous for my own purging in my steel bikes is actually what happens POST weld. I have to chase the threads in the bottom bracket, then face the shell and face/chase the inside of the seat tube and head tube all with tools that are really expensive. Any oxidation on the backs of those welds really shortens these tools lifespan. It also makes those tough jobs even tougher as they're all done by hand. So the biggest reason for me from the outset was from a process approach where maintaining tolerances were super critical. Then there are all the small benefits with regards to weld integrity with chromoly/4130 aircraft tubing. Small gains, but critical in a product that really see's a lot of abuse and cycles over time.

But to the welder just starting out with 4130 or steel? It's completely not necessary. You really need to focus your efforts on cleanliness. I can't stress this enough. Both sides of the work piece and/or inside/outside of the work. No dirt, mill finishes, oil, not even a finger print. All of that can lead to contamination. Your work space also should be clean where you're welding too. So if you don't have a routine, get into one and make sure things are tidy. From there it's all heat input, pace, and experience with the torch, tungsten, filler and pedal. And practice.

Practice would be 2nd most important factor.

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Anyone reading this can do this weld. And I'm not joking. It just takes practice and a level of familiarity with the process where it becomes intuitive and that intuition, that one where you don't think and you're just reacting and acting? That's practice. Just know that the learning curve can be steep at times but being persistent, dedicated and putting focused time into that skill will make you better. I still learn new things every time I weld. I actually picked up the torch yesterday after welding up another Ti prototype and already I could feel and see I'd learned more just from welding a different material.



Just to be clear: The NH service provider refused to drop in a 2nd service and bring 3 phase over. So I'm stuck with 110v at the shop and things are on phase converters while my welder (Miller Dynasty 200 DX) recognizes both single and three phase. Everyone I know who runs three phase into their shop here in the US, depending on material thickness have similar high amperage settings. An Amp is an Amp. Reference paragraph 2 titled under constant current in this article.

However, what made me change my settings was penetration and how the weld was wetting out. Instead of relying on the percentage of power at the peak of the arc (which is why my amps were low originally, with a high peak percentage), I flipped it: So now I have higher amperage settings with a lower percentage of power at it's peak. Example using this weld junction which is unique on a bicycle frame:

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But my settings for that junction are:

115 Amps
30% Peak
9% Background
1.3 PPS (pulses per second)
15-20 SCFH at torch
10-15 seconds post flow
5-10 SCFH for purge

.035" Filler Weldmold 880 (basically 312)

1/16 2% Lanthanated Tungsten

No. 10 Alumina Nozzle with Matching 1/16 gas lens.

No secrets there really. It's all in the technique.



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And for those who want to know what's new: TITANIUM!

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In the shop now: Dedicated Single Speed






Can't thank you enough for all the advice. I'm sure a lot of it will carry over to the steel motorcycle frame mods I'll be doing in the future.

Do you purge with Argon, and blend, or is straight CO2 sufficient for purge?

I'm not surprised you're utility wouldn't bring in 3phase. If you're towards the end of a line of just single phase residential, that's a lot of required equipment upgrades on their line.

But, you should have been able to pull 240V single phase to your shop? An amp is an amp, but 240V provides the same power at half the amp draw so you can use smaller wire size for the same power delivery. 20A at 240 would put 10A on each leg so the wire is smaller, 20A on a 120V circuit is all 20A on one wire...

I rewired my house when we bought it in 2000. I upgraded to a 200A service. At the time I had a Jenn-Air in the kitchen that required a dedicated 60A circuit so I pulled a single 90A feed from the main panel and set a sub-pannel under my kitchen. I fed a close coupled 60A sub-panel for all lighting loads in the house and ran another 60A feed to the garage. My garage panel was a MLO (main lugs only) so I had to backfeed a local 60A breaker in the garage sub-panel. I'm going to buy a new 60A main breaker panel to replace it so I can add another 30A 240V circuit for the welder since my panel is out of provision spaces. I'll have (2) 30A circuits, a 20A circuit and 3 or 4 20A 120V circuits but the main panel can only draw a max of 60A. At any given time the maximum current draw would be 50A if I had my heater, welder, and lighting maxed out, but in reality, it's much lower than that.

You could even have your utility upgrade your service to 400A and put a large disconnect outside, then feed 200A to shop and 200A to the house. If you have gas heat, gas furnace, and gas stove you can easily get by with a 100A service in the house. In hind sight, I should have pulled wire sized to handle a 100A sub-panel in the garage but limited it to 60A while we had the Jenn-Air. Changing to LED light bulbs has also dropped my lighting load considerably so I would have no problem handling a 100A feed to the garage with damn near everything on and the AC on in the house in the summer.


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you posted the going rate for a TI frame yet?

with you getting into that now, I may look to get a huntsman... need a decent all weather bike.

I have not posted pricing yet. Stay tuned later this year...

Can't thank you enough for all the advice. I'm sure a lot of it will carry over to the steel motorcycle frame mods I'll be doing in the future.

Do you purge with Argon, and blend, or is straight CO2 sufficient for purge?

You bet as per advice. Happy to share info. that was passed along to me. Always pure argon FYI. Especially if you're working with stainless and especially so for Titanium. I don't take any risks with that stuff!

I'm not surprised you're utility wouldn't bring in 3phase. If you're towards the end of a line of just single phase residential, that's a lot of required equipment upgrades on their line.

But, you should have been able to pull 240V single phase to your shop? An amp is an amp, but 240V provides the same power at half the amp draw so you can use smaller wire size for the same power delivery.

I wasn't surprised either actually with regards to the utility. It was the first question my electrician wanted me to ask them so we could determine best approach. I believe we have a 240V power supply to the house and my electrician spec'd specific copper wire to run from the house to the shop to avoid voltage drop when running machines/welder and also for the distance required from house to shop where the power is run underground Nothing is really ever run at the same time and I've never felt anything was under powered actually. And the lights don't dim so that's a good thing!
 

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Yeah I don't know what's going on then Kris :D

For example (apologies all my measurements are in mm I can't get the conversions very well)

When I was working we would use almost exclusively 1.6mm 50mmtube.

This would be fusion welded most of the time at noon more than 42 or 43 amps. These were all full peno chemical class welds. When doing a 3mm thick inside junction weld (typically takes a bit more heat well) we would use maybe 80 amps?

15mm thick flange onto 3mm steam pipe would rarely see anything over 85...

I'm not smart enough to know why, but my mate the sparky tried to explain that the amps are the same. But that the voltage is push. So with more push there is more squirt... #shrugs either way my main point was the differences and that people really need to practice a lot to determine their own preferred settings :D

Thanks for the answer with the ti :)
I'm really keen to play with some ti

Thanks again for the detailed answers and the time you take with them, even when it's pointless weird question from the bottom of the world...

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Also just q quick add on, none of our work welding was ever done with pedal. It was always set amps and go. As most of our welding was out if position stuff so the foot pedal was too fussy and difficult to setup 90 percent of the time.

Also only one guy in the shop ran pulse and a regular thing. Mostly he would up his numbers by 5 to 10 amps and run 30 30 30 settings

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Alrighty...

This is a PSA for any members or non-members who might be just lurking and reading through this thread...

I just spent time on Kris' web site. I will admit I hadn't visited it until now. Don't wait! Click that link in his signature! Just WOW! The studio quality pics in this thread carry right over to the web site and into the PDFs he has available under his downloads at the bottom of the page.

Now I'm fantasizing about a Snakedriver... and wondering what all I can sell to raise funds to get on the wait list. The value for the money based on the catalog pricing is amazing, unfortunately it's just out of my budget for a few years. Maybe I'll be the first 50 year old man riding a fat bike.

Fantastic job!
 

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You're a wealth of knowledge and a skilled craftsman creating works of art.
Do you ever post any short clips of you welding?
 
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Very skillful. How many bikes have you built already?

Thank you. I'm currently working on Number 107 out of the shop doors but the list currently stands at 119. I've finished 9 so far this year and I'm working through the next batch of 4 with 109 and 112 up next (Sometimes they get built slightly out of order due to clients finalizing details while some need a bit more time to finalize some things.

Also just finished this one up this past weekend which is the next Ti Huntsman Prototype:









Process shot showing a argon dam to pool argon around this small cable guide:



Finished weld on a seat stay bridge:

 

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Thank you. I'm currently working on Number 107 out of the shop doors but the list currently stands at 119. I've finished 9 so far this year and I'm working through the next batch of 4 with 109 and 112 up next (Sometimes they get built slightly out of order due to clients finalizing details while some need a bit more time to finalize some things.

Also just finished this one up this past weekend which is the next Ti Huntsman Prototype:

I'm really good at breaking, I mean testing, stuff and if I or my son can't "test" it, it will hold up to any one. So, if you need that prototype tested, let me know. :thumbup:




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Gorgeous work as always mate :)

It's funny (not really lol but do the saying goes) boilermaker I've been looking for someone to test a track frame idea I have.

I'm curious about some ideas to increase the stiffness etc. Will never approach the carbon jobbies but I've been looking for a local lad to work with. All came out of a small clip about 18 months ago of a French world champ sprinter riding a steel lugged track bike in Japan. He filmed down the down tube and the flex was absolutely astounding lol...

Will see if I can link it :D

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Gorgeous work as always mate :)

It's funny (not really lol but do the saying goes) boilermaker I've been looking for someone to test a track frame idea I have.

I'm curious about some ideas to increase the stiffness etc. Will never approach the carbon jobbies but I've been looking for a local lad to work with. All came out of a small clip about 18 months ago of a French world champ sprinter riding a steel lugged track bike in Japan. He filmed down the down tube and the flex was absolutely astounding lol...

Will see if I can link it :D

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I converted my 2000 GF hardtail to a rigid SS. Originally used a Surly Singulator and 9-speed chain. I was geared pretty tall, so much so my bicycle mechanic thought it would tough to ride. I weigh 200lbs, most of that weightis in my hips and legs. I just stand on the pedal and it would go. I stretched the chain... So I switched to a DMC single speed conversion, changed the rear sprocket to a BMX style sprocket/chain and geared up again because it wasn't fast enough at 32/14 for me. Now running 34/14 without chain stretch and thinking of going taller yet because my son now rides a geared MTB and I have a hard time keeping up when he pours on the gas... I can keep up, but it's like a damn spinning class.

Steel does flex, as does aluminum, but steel doesn't fatigue as fast so it lasts longer under heavy abuse. I haven't broken a well made frame... yet. But I have trashed plenty of wheels, spokes, chains, bearings, sprockets, and handlebars in the past. When I rebuilt the GF as a SS I upgraded the BB, wheels, headset, and handlebar (went back to steel) with no issues on those parts in 6 years. I just consider my chain a consumable. :D
 

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Sorry I forgot to find the video lol

This guys is fast, but not the torquiest rider out, but still manages id assume close to 50mm flexation... The big kiwi lads and Germans would be considered stronger...

Hope that works, also sorry Kris if this is too off-topic lol.

Many people say steel is too soft for proper racing these days, and I've been curious if I'd be able to come close to "stiff" under riders of this strength.


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Many people say steel is too soft for proper racing these days, and I've been curious if I'd be able to come close to "stiff" under riders of this strength.

To get slightly technical, the limiting factor is most likely lugged construction. Even the most oversized lug tube set / lugs I believe still does not allow the builder to increase stiffness for someone like this guy. This is where TIG construction really starts to show an advantage as you can build around any tube profile and size. This is the overly simplified version of a more complicated equation: As tube outer diameter increases by a factor of X, strength and stiffness increase by a factor of X. They are directly associated with one another.

Most if not all of my road bikes sport 38.1mm / 1.5" DT's and 31.8mm / 1.25" TT's.

For that guy? I'd probably up the top tube to 34.9mm / 1.375", down tube to a 44mm / 1.75", seat tube 34.9mm / 1.375", increase chain stay's to my in house formed 22.23mm / .875" profiles, head tube would be a 44mm tapered set up with carbon tapered fork, and seat stays would be 16mm / .625" built with hooded track dropouts and a new T47 bb shell with 30mm spindle and inboard bearings set up from Enduro.

Stiffness isn't the end all be all with most riders needs but someone like this who has a very specific purpose for their bicycle, can really benefit from a builder's knowledge and abilities with TIG Welding.

What the frame would gain in terms of weight he'd make up for with increased power transfer. That's just an educated guess however. I don't want to get too into the weeds with opinion though.
 

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To get slightly technical, the limiting factor is most likely lugged construction. Even the most oversized lug tube set / lugs I believe still does not allow the builder to increase stiffness for someone like this guy. This is where TIG construction really starts to show an advantage as you can build around any tube profile and size. This is the overly simplified version of a more complicated equation: As tube outer diameter increases by a factor of X, strength and stiffness increase by a factor of X. They are directly associated with one another.

Most if not all of my road bikes sport 38.1mm / 1.5" DT's and 31.8mm / 1.25" TT's.

For that guy? I'd probably up the top tube to 34.9mm / 1.375", down tube to a 44mm / 1.75", seat tube 34.9mm / 1.375", increase chain stay's to my in house formed 22.23mm / .875" profiles, head tube would be a 44mm tapered set up with carbon tapered fork, and seat stays would be 16mm / .625" built with hooded track dropouts and a new T47 bb shell with 30mm spindle and inboard bearings set up from Enduro.

Stiffness isn't the end all be all with most riders needs but someone like this who has a very specific purpose for their bicycle, can really benefit from a builder's knowledge and abilities with TIG Welding.

What the frame would gain in terms of weight he'd make up for with increased power transfer. That's just an educated guess however. I don't want to get too into the weeds with opinion though.

Yep, there is also the balancing act of frame stiffness and riding comfort, plus in some cases, a little more frame flex allows a rider to carry more speed over rougher roads even if they give up a little power transfer efficiency.

Have you done any experimentation with the profile of the tubing? That is rolling it into a more oval shape for the TT, DT, and CS then using the wider dimensions vertically? I know you can work harden the tubing a bit too, to make it a little stronger and less flex, but it can fail faster due to fatigue if it goes too far. Steel tubing also age hardens so I'm curious if tubing manufactures that specialize in frame tubing account for this and store their tubing longer before shipping or do they ship it quickly so you can fab it, then let it age harden after it's a complete frame?

My background is in steel tubing for hydraulic and heat exchanger applications, but I haven't done anything with Reynolds or Sanvic tubing for frame building yet.
 
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Have you done any experimentation with the profile of the tubing?

I prefer to aesthetically keep the front ends simple and all tubes round. Kind of the business end of the bike. The rear triangle starting with the seat tube is where the magic starts to happen. This is a 1.375 x .035" O.D. tube bent in house on tooling I made here as well:



I heavily form my chain stays for tire clearances but also for lateral stiffness. These are the Ti version which start as .875" O.D. straight tubes then go through bending and forming op's to arrive at their final shape. The center of the tube is oversized so in cross section it becomes a 1.00" O.D. tube but at the weight of a .875" O.D. tube. I've found power transfer to be exceptional. The bike really reacts and jumps to life when you stomp on the pedals.









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To get slightly technical, the limiting factor is most likely lugged construction. Even the most oversized lug tube set / lugs I believe still does not allow the builder to increase stiffness for someone like this guy. This is where TIG construction really starts to show an advantage as you can build around any tube profile and size. This is the overly simplified version of a more complicated equation: As tube outer diameter increases by a factor of X, strength and stiffness increase by a factor of X. They are directly associated with one another.

Most if not all of my road bikes sport 38.1mm / 1.5" DT's and 31.8mm / 1.25" TT's.

For that guy? I'd probably up the top tube to 34.9mm / 1.375", down tube to a 44mm / 1.75", seat tube 34.9mm / 1.375", increase chain stay's to my in house formed 22.23mm / .875" profiles, head tube would be a 44mm tapered set up with carbon tapered fork, and seat stays would be 16mm / .625" built with hooded track dropouts and a new T47 bb shell with 30mm spindle and inboard bearings set up from Enduro.

Stiffness isn't the end all be all with most riders needs but someone like this who has a very specific purpose for their bicycle, can really benefit from a builder's knowledge and abilities with TIG Welding.

What the frame would gain in terms of weight he'd make up for with increased power transfer. That's just an educated guess however. I don't want to get too into the weeds with opinion though.
Yeah the old keirin bikes are all regulation based, so can't have big tubes, must be lugged, must be very specific cranks and dimensions. There is zero freedom in design and technology.



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Yeah the old keirin bikes are all regulation based, so can't have big tubes, must be lugged, must be very specific cranks and dimensions. There is zero freedom in design and technology.

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Good point. There's always rules aren't there?

Hence why I pretty much don't build race bikes... Too many rules.
 

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Hahahah yeah.

Track frames you can also sacrifice weight on the frames fairly aggressively as the bikes still have to meet the minimum weight limit of the road bikes, without a bunch if stuff.

#shrugs all fun and games. I kinda like the challenge posed by rules that arnt restrictive. So rules that allow for engineering solutions and creative approaches. I dislike rules that are created to stagnate an environment... IE the his keirin rules...

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...Hence why I pretty much don't build race bikes... Too many rules.

Shoot. I guess I can't buy from you, then. I need maximum race-speed on course (rules?), but also to the apres-keg/bonfire (no rules). :beer:

Eh, who are we kidding, I can't crank out more watts than a mediocre weld and skinny tube can handle. It the custom 40 hole wheels I should really be investing in.

A little lottery winning, and I'll have to actually place a call to you for a consultation. Huntsman/CX/Do it all, is still really appealing to me.
 
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Shoot. I guess I can't buy from you, then. I need maximum race-speed on course (rules?), but also to the apres-keg/bonfire (no rules). :beer:

Eh, who are we kidding, I can't crank out more watts than a mediocre weld and skinny tube can handle. It the custom 40 hole wheels I should really be investing in.

A little lottery winning, and I'll have to actually place a call to you for a consultation. Huntsman/CX/Do it all, is still really appealing to me.

HA! I don't cater to the race scene per say, but I'm happy to build a bike that will be raced (clients just need to let me know of any rules I must adhere to). Typically on CX courses it's tire size so that's not on me.

I've built a bunch of bikes that are raced. Here's a few





 

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CAT 5 cx basically has no equipment rules except no bar ends... so the "race scene" is not really a limiting factor in my case.


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Took a minute after the work day yesterday to finally add this small mount for another one of my jigs to free up some table space. Going to be building a tube shelf later this weekend. I'll be sure to share updates as that comes together.

 

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Absolutely love your shop Kris. Tons of inspiration. You're actually building a bike for my friend Steve at the moment I believe. The turquoise/blueish one.
 
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Absolutely love your shop Kris. Tons of inspiration. You're actually building a bike for my friend Steve at the moment I believe. The turquoise/blueish one.

Oh! Yes I am indeed. It's just about finished up and I'll be shooting it in the studio tonight. That is going to be one SWEET build...

 
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Been planning this project for a long time. A couple of set backs. But I finally sold the JD2 bender and tooling which freed up the necessary space for this project (That's what the studs in the floor were for...). I moved the bender across the room and this really created a lot of elbow room in this part of the shop. This weekend finally got a chance to get material to get started with a tubing organizer that also can dual as additional work top space and allow me to move brazing away from the welding area so brazing and finishing work can have it's own dedicated spot.

I had been storing all my tubing in boxes beneath my old workbench but with the new set up, I wanted to organize it by tube. Here's what I'm updating:



So onto the table saw to make the first element which is basically a large rectangular box with adjustable shelves. Parts for the box almost complete:



And glued up after a dry run:



Once dry, I placed the box and additional 10x30 top up on paint cans to get a sense if my original idea was working with the space. A bit of the taper to the face will give this a bit more movement I think, but next step is welding up the wall and floor brackets. Mock-up and live with it for the next few days:





More after the wall and floor brackets are welded which should be this weekend...
 
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Attack Sir. Just attack with all your skills. Love this thread.

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Did you use a table saw and chisel to make the joints for the carcass, or did you use a router?

And I agree with wingnut, the stencil on the top is a great touch.

Thanks. I'm going to add more stencils in spots around the shop I think.

Table saw to remove all the material for the groove. Small chisel to clean things up a touch here and there.
 
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Wow, that's kind of a tedious process!

The process isn't actually all that tedious. I ran the parts through the table saw to get nice sharp corners, then a final pass the clean out all the remaining center section using a dado set up. The reason I did this is the dado set I inherited isn't all that sharp... So I made the first two passes so things were nice and sharp and the blade did not blow out any of the ply's top layers. Chisel was simply to clean up any high spots.

Ideally, I would have done this with a fan boar mounted to the table saws fence to keep the ply dead flat against the blade. Another part I need to make! But I'll make a bunch of jigs once the table saw has a new table and the space is a bit more built out and organized (which will happen either this winter or spring).

Seems pretty easy to me. I assumed he did it with something like a dado blade. I don't own a table saw, but there's a double blade with a spacer between them, isn't there?

Correct! Like I said, the chisel part was simply to clean up any high spots since I wasn't using a fan board.

For reference sake, the below image is got one more pass through the table saw to take away the remaining material:



I've already knocked all the material off the sides/backs that will slot into this groove which is only halfway finished. Woodworking is a bit tedious I guess but like anything, the more you make, the easier it gets!

But this is also a bit of an experiment. Once the wood shop portion is finished, I want to rebuild out kitchen cabinets. So I'm going to use this project and a few drawers I want to make for the long work bench as projects to experiment with joinery methods to produce the cleanest construction. I have some additional ideas for trapped parts with simple construction techniques that I'll be sure to share here too.
 
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The process isn't actually all that tedious. I ran the parts through the table saw to get nice sharp corners, then a final pass the clean out all the remaining center section using a dado set up. The reason I did this is the dado set I inherited isn't all that sharp... So I made the first two passes so things were nice and sharp and the blade did not blow out any of the ply's top layers. Chisel was simply to clean up any high spots.

Ideally, I would have done this with a fan boar mounted to the table saws fence to keep the ply dead flat against the blade. Another part I need to make! But I'll make a bunch of jigs once the table saw has a new table and the space is a bit more built out and organized (which will happen either this winter or spring).

Ah, I didn't realize you had a dado setup... I thought you used a chisel to remove all of the material between the kerfs.

I'm trying to decide how I want to make the carcass for my drawer unit to hang from my work bench. I don't have the table saw yet or a router table yet.
 
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Weekend progress:

I didn't have any L Bracket on hand, so I had to make my own from left over 2" square tubing. So machine off two opposing corners and mill 4 holes - I should have done it the other way around (machine holes then slot the side but it worked out AOK):



Here's the finished wall brackets to mount the tube organizer to the wall. Skipped a few steps with photos:



And then cooling down post weld:



While the parts were cooling down, I measured and drilled holes for all the studs that will hold the shelves in place. I also drilled holes for inserts that I'd be using on the sides of the shelving unit. Backside just uses short wood screws to locate and hold the parts in place:



Here's a detail of the corner brackets all finished, mounted and in place:



I'll be off to the hardware store to get non-safety style 1/4-20 button heads the appropriate length. All I had were these and I wanted to get the sucker mounted up so I can see how everything works:



And let's step back to see how everything works on this side of the shop. Really digging how this turned out. I need to make a foot for the front of the shelving unit that can help support some of the weight and anchor it to the floor as another bike stand will be mounted to the work bench top. But it's surprisingly solid as is:



And loaded up! Used extra shelving parts to divide up tube types. I'll make small labels for the faces of the shelves for reference sake and organization. But pretty excited about this new set up in the shop:



Felt good to get this project moving along after working on our house for the majority of the day before I could come down and devote time to this. Good weekend overall with a lot accomplished.
 

txusa03

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Nicely executed! :thumbup:

When are you going to remove the 4 studs in the concrete before tripping over them.:D

Or maybe you have plans for those studs and I missed the detail.
 
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