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Thanks! Me too :)


I would have thought it was for soundproofing too, but they had built a stage in front of the back room and it wasn’t getting used at all, so I’m not sure.

I’m guessing people had some respiratory problems, yeah, cus a few of my friends got pretty sick from being here during the demolition stage. Weirdly I never had an issue, despite spending a TON of time in here.
I would think the fact they built a stage would reinforce the idea that the double walls were built for sound proofing.

I don’t know the proper technique for dealing with mold, but I feel like I would want to take a blow torche to any black spots left on the concrete blocks..lol Then a big fat coat of Killz. Where’s that flame thrower imoji?
 
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Neat thread.

There are a lot of resources online for your Zenith carbs on the Mercedes. I have a pair of the same on ones on my '68 Merc. If you need some links or pdf's, shoot me a PM and I'll send them to you. A real good resource on YouTube is Pierre Hedary. He has a few Zenith carb videos.

Tuning/syncing them can be interesting. Before I got my "official" adapter for tuning, I found that modified red party cups work well (I now have the right adapters for my flow meters but the red cups work just as well. Based on what I've seen in your thread, I imagine you have plenty of red cups.
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The official adapters are not as interesting:
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I'll PM you – I'm looking for all the resources I can find with getting these carbs back together. I looked up Pierre Hedary's videos, and there's some really good stuff there. I'm not that good with motorcycle carbs on a good day, so these are wayyy above my pay grade.

Hah, that's a good trick with the cups! Not sure what makes you think I would have lots of red cups... :drink:

I would think the fact they built a stage would reinforce the idea that the double walls were built for sound proofing.

I don’t know the proper technique for dealing with mold, but I feel like I would want to take a blow torche to any black spots left on the concrete blocks..lol Then a big fat coat of Killz. Where’s that flame thrower imoji?

I forgot to mention that the stage was built in front of the back room in such a way that you literally couldn't get into the room anymore. It definitely was not getting used at all. They also didn't soundproof any of the rest of the building...I know because my neighbors (who are super nice) told me that they bought the building next door and discovered shortly after moving in that the previous tenants here were consistently having raves until 10am. The two buildings partially share an exterior wall. That must have been a rough discovery to make after dropping 7 figures on a house.

The mold (as far as I can tell) is basically gone. It used to smell super musty in here, but it smells fine now. Or, as fine as an old garage can be expected to smell. The only issue is that it's very hard to keep it completely dry inside, because for whatever reason a very small amount of water seems to be leaching through the base of one of the concrete walls when it rains. It's not enough to collect on the floor or anything, but it's enough to make everything slightly damp, and my landlord definitely has no intention of fixing it. When we rebuilt the back room we used pressure-treated wood in the hopes that that tiny bit of water wouldn't trash the wood...guess we'll find out if that worked or not in a couple years.
 
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Hahah, yeah...pretty sure the ravers are why the previous owners sold the house, too. Bushwick is definitely the wrong place to be if you want peace and quiet.
 
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Some random updates:

We had our first gallery show in May, which was a lot of fun. I built some huge gallery rails for hanging the art (basically channels on the ceiling that nuts ride in, with adjustable-height cables hanging from them), and all the artists came and hung their work. Those gallery rails are maybe the only thing I've ever built that worked as I thought it would on the first try. I guess there isn't much to screw up. Somehow, this is the only photo I have of the assembly process.

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One of my friend Charlie's buddies from Minneapolis is a pretty decent sized artist named Connor Dainty (both in following and in piece size), and he drove out with a bunch of his art. My mom's also a full-time artist (she retired from teaching into making art out of mushrooms, it's pretty sick – she goes by Sporeplay ;)), so she came down from MA with some of her work, too. One other local BK artist was here, too.

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We now have some semblance of a kitchen, which has been amazing. I scored a 9 foot stainless steel prep table with a built-in sink for $250 at an industrial auction, and replaced our existing plastic slop sink with it.

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Me and a friend built a little shelf for all the appliances, and now cooking here doesn't ****! Although we're learning that we need to be pretty careful with food waste around here, or we get a lot of unwanted little visitors pretty damn fast.

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Now that that's set up, we can have food events a LOT more easily, so my friend Carla put another (even better) dinner together, with ~25 people. It was a lot of fun.

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Oh yeah, the roof got an upgrade, too! Another industrial auction score. I found a massive indoor gym in NJ that was relocating, and getting rid of all of their super nice turf. Sean and I drove down and trailered a few rolls of it back, which cost us a grand total of $75. Based on the total square footage of the turf we bought, I think this would have cost ~$2500 new.

Big props to Sean for successfully backing the trailer in, during rush hour traffic on our one-way street.

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We quickly discovered WHY it was so cheap: each roll weighed from 150-350lbs. They loaded it onto the trailer with a forklift, and when we got back, it took all our strength just to get it off the trailer into the warehouse. It was completely packed full of sand and rubber pellets. Thus began the dirtiest job ever: manually beating all the sand and rubber out of the turf so that we could get it on the roof. It took many hours, was incredibly tiring, and got me covered head to toe in black, sandy dust.

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This is just a screenshot from a video we took of us going through all the turf, but you get a sense of what it was like...we shook out ~800lbs of sand and rubber between all the rolls.

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But when we were done, each roll weighed more like 50lbs instead of hundreds. (We pissed off the garbage men by loading up 20 garbage bags with an incredibly heavy combo of sand and rubber, which we ended up needing to spread around the neighborhood on several different trash nights, because they kept not picking them up.) We got the turf up to the roof, cut it to size, and now it's really nice to hang out up there :)

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I also finally finished getting the carbs for the Mercedes cleaned and rebuilt, so now I just need to figure out how to tune them...I've never been good at carbs, but @DrinkMan sent me some good resources, so hopefully I'll be able to get them figured out.

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Old vs new:

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One kinda interesting thing was that I accidentally threw away one of the intake spacers, but I was able to make a model of it in CAD, and have SendCutSend make me two new ones out of a similar material and ship them to me for $50. I've never had a real reason to use CAD before, but I've always found it fascinating. Making a super basic flat part took me an embarrassingly long time...

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But getting to hold it in my hand a week later was super cool!

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Sean has also been making progress on his GL500...there are some new additions that I don't have pictures of, but he took this tasty picture of it a few weeks back. The warehouse has surprisingly good natural lighting.

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Think that's it for now...we have a concert tonight, a standup comedy night in July with some Comedy Central comics, and all sorts of other random fun stuff coming up :)
 
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Great job on the spacer! Not an easy part to find. Although, I wonder if some of the Weber downdraft carb spacers would work since I think the Weber 38/38 is a bolt on carb? It is easy to find Weber spacers. Otherwise, used spacers on Ebay of unknown history would be your only other option. I like your homemade spacer. For 2 reasons - 1) you need a spacer, & 2) you got to try and learn a new skill that will come in handy on other parts.
 
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Great job on the spacer! Not an easy part to find. Although, I wonder if some of the Weber downdraft carb spacers would work since I think the Weber 38/38 is a bolt on carb? It is easy to find Weber spacers. Otherwise, used spacers on Ebay of unknown history would be your only other option. I like your homemade spacer. For 2 reasons - 1) you need a spacer, & 2) you got to try and learn a new skill that will come in handy on other parts.
Oh, good to know about the Weber spacer. I hadn’t thought to look at spacers for other carbs that bolt on. The one reason could see this spacer not working is that it’s ~1.5mm thicker than the original (slightly increasing the intake manifold length), but I’d be quite surprised if that mattered. This is never gonna be a performance motor.

And agreed, it was fun having a chance to CAD something up!

Enjoying this thread a lot!
Thanks for following along!
 
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@DrinkMan, question for ya I figured I'd ask here so that maybe someday someone with the same question will be able to find the answer:

On the Zenith 35/40s, there's both an idle mixture adjustment screw (the brass screw on the bottom of the carb, under the throttle linkage) and an idle adjustment screw (the thumbscrew that connects two pieces of the throttle linkage itself). I've seen lots of info about the idle adjustment screw, but I haven't been able to find anything about what a good first setting for the idle mixture adjustment screw is. Do you have any advice on how/where to set that? I just went for two turns out, since I've often heard that used for motorcycle carbs, but I have no idea where it should actually be set.
 

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@DrinkMan, question for ya I figured I'd ask here so that maybe someday someone with the same question will be able to find the answer:

On the Zenith 35/40s, there's both an idle mixture adjustment screw (the brass screw on the bottom of the carb, under the throttle linkage) and an idle adjustment screw (the thumbscrew that connects two pieces of the throttle linkage itself). I've seen lots of info about the idle adjustment screw, but I haven't been able to find anything about what a good first setting for the idle mixture adjustment screw is. Do you have any advice on how/where to set that? I just went for two turns out, since I'veoften heard that used for motorcycle carbs, but I have no idea where it should actually be set.
I know nothing about those carbs but usually the best way to get the optimal idle mixture is to hook up a vacuum gauge to manifold vacuum and adjust the idle mixture to get the highest steady vac reading. Then maybe a further quarter turn out.
 

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@Geoff289 has it right about using vacuum gauge.
But I always use the flow meters to find best flow and getting both carbs the same. Just as explained in the Jamie Koop manual in chapter 6. I like using 2 flow meters but you can use 1 and just move it back and forth. For initial, I use 1.5 turns out (close enough to 2). I don't remember what initial settings Pierre used in his youtube video. For me, getting rid of vacuum leaks and finding missing gaskets was 90% of the issues. After that, just like you said, pick an initial setpoint and go back and forth.

When you don't have the adapters:

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When you have the adapters the next week:
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Awesome, thanks guys. Just ordered a flow meter and a vacuum gauge. I'm hopeful I'll at least be able to get the car started today – I'm just waiting on a banjo bolt for the fuel line that should be here shortly.

I also found this page from Holley on adjusting idle mixture which I think will be super helpful.
 

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Jesse, I just found your thread and am caught up for now. You have an awesome place and from what it appears, great friends. Keep your updates coming. I really appreciate and respect your willingness to dive in and learn. That is a skill that I feel like I waited too long in life to embrace. Early on in your post, someone made the comment that you would never get out of this place what you put in it. I dont think that is true. You have invested in yourself. The cost is important, but not as important to what you learned along the way. You are gaining skill and experience that you know will be useful in the future.
 
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Jesse, I just found your thread and am caught up for now. You have an awesome place and from what it appears, great friends. Keep your updates coming. I really appreciate and respect your willingness to dive in and learn. That is a skill that I feel like I waited too long in life to embrace. Early on in your post, someone made the comment that you would never get out of this place what you put in it. I dont think that is true. You have invested in yourself. The cost is important, but not as important to what you learned along the way. You are gaining skill and experience that you know will be useful in the future.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words. I agree about the investment, and that's how I've tried to look at this all along. There have been a couple months where it's paid for itself through events, but mostly this has been a massive money sink – but I've met tons of cool people, gotten to host all sorts of interesting events, made space for my friends to be creative, and learned a ton.

I turned 24 a month ago, and for the second year in a row had my birthday party on my roof. It was pretty wild reflecting on what has happened – both with the warehouse and with my life in general – since my last birthday. I can't imagine when I turn 34 that I'll wish I'd saved all the money I've spent on this place. I can make more money, but experiences like those I've had as a result of this place are hard to come by.
 

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From where I am sitting it looks like you are having a blast. Fixing up your place, learning new things and hanging out with friends is a good use of resources imo. (y)
 
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Quick update: the Mercedes runs!!! I put everything back together yesterday, hooked it up to my 4Runner (the battery was VERY dead), and after about 60-90s of cranking in total, it started up! I kinda can't believe it. It's idling really high, but it holds an idle and revs just fine.

I was even able to drive it back into the warehouse, which felt like I was dreaming. I am so, so ****** stoked. Wow.

The brakes still hardly work, so I almost hit my friend Sean as I drove back in, but I think I'll have this thing working well enough to drive it on the road in the next couple weeks. Sick.

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Congratulations!!! Idle speed is easy. Drive it a lot to learn what might really be needed. Have fun with it. (and find friends to ride in back seat and do the royal wave as you go down the road in style)
 

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Jesse, I just found your thread yesterday and had to get caught up (while at work)! Ha! You are both wise and mature beyond your years. You've built a great place for others like yourself to come learn, build and enjoy things they might not otherwise be able to experience without such an open and inviting space. Good on ya! Can't wait to see more updates from here on out. Subscribed!
 
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Congratulations!!! Idle speed is easy. Drive it a lot to learn what might really be needed. Have fun with it. (and find friends to ride in back seat and do the royal wave as you go down the road in style)
Hahahah, the royal wave is the most important part...or maybe the brakes, I'm not sure which. Once it's registered I'll start tooling around the city in it and see what happens. I was kind of amused by how easy the clutch is...I expected it to be terrible, but it's way easier than my 4Runner!

Jesse, I just found your thread yesterday and had to get caught up (while at work)! Ha! You are both wise and mature beyond your years. You've built a great place for others like yourself to come learn, build and enjoy things they might not otherwise be able to experience without such an open and inviting space. Good on ya! Can't wait to see more updates from here on out. Subscribed!

I appreciate the kind words :) and I'm flattered that you'd use me as your work distraction for the day!!
 
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A quick update, that'll turn into a longer one later: I bought a Bridgeport! One came up for auction not too far from me, and with the help of a bunch of very nice people over in this thread I decided to buy it. $690 after auction fees, which is a steal as far as I can tell. It needs a good amount of cleanup, but I think everything works. I've wanted to learn to use one of these since I was about 18, so I'm pretty stoked.

Getting it was a bit of a challenge – I've never moved anything nearly this heavy, and I had a hard deadline to deal with when picking it up. I was out of the country when I won the auction, and I got back the day before they were planning to remove the forklifts from the auction site. That night, I figured out that a drop deck trailer and a pallet jack was probably the way to go, but I couldn't find a drop deck trailer anywhere near me...so Sean and I ended up driving 2 hours south into NJ to rent one.

Because of that, we were late getting to the auction site, and the remaining auction staff were not pleased (can't say I blame them). They asked me if I knew how to drive a forklift, and I said yes, which was sort of true...I'd watched a 3-minute video on how they work the night before in case this situation arose, so I wasn't completely clueless, but carrying a 2000lb top-heavy machine a tenth of a mile (including down a hill) wasn't an ideal training experience.

Luckily, it worked out, and I made it to the trailer without any major incidents. We lowered the trailer down, put the pallet jack in it, and lowered the mill onto it. Sean got a little video of me coming out of the warehouse:

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Once that was done, we could stop rushing because we weren't holding up the auction guys any longer. We lowered the knee and flipped the head over to lower the center of gravity, locked the ram in place, removed some random loose bits, and then strapped it down tight. The whole loading process took a couple hours, and it was really hot and really humid, so we were in rough shape. It was such a busy day that we both kinda forgot to eat or drink anything, which didn't help.

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The drive home was a bit exciting – we narrowly dodged a pretty huge thunderstorm (that would have been game over for the DRO, I think), and then crossing the George Washington Bridge with a heavy trailer was a little gnarly because of how bumpy the road is there. We were bouncing all over the place, but the mill stayed in place. Fun stuff.

When we got back, Sean backed the trailer into the warehouse (I **** at backing up trailers, and on our street you have to block traffic to get a trailer into the warehouse) and started unloading. We had to rearrange a lot of stuff to have a good place for the mill, but by 11pm it was off the trailer and ready to be put in place. We also had an event coming up the next night, so we had to get this wrapped up pretty quick.

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In the morning, I spent a couple hours messing around with different spots, and ended up putting the mill right next to the workbench. It's pretty big, but it doesn't dominate the space like I was worried it would. I made a little timelapse of me putting it in its final resting place:

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Now for the really fun part: cleaning it up, wiring up a VFD, and learning to use it! I'm stoked. I also need to figure out the requirements for running another leg of 240v, since we only have one outlet but I'd like to be able to have both the mill and the welder plugged in.
 
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Oh, no, the mill is 3-phase, which is why I need to wire up a VFD. I got a VFD that supports 1Ph 240v to 3Ph 220v.
 
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Ok, well, I wrote a super long response in the reply box instead of in a Google Doc like usual, and then the page refreshed and I lost it all. Whoops. Long story short(er): I’m working on making the warehouse into a community-focused, cooperatively run space for people to come in, learn to work with their hands, and have space to make things that they wouldn’t otherwise be able to, given the constraints of the city. I’m also trying to make it financially self-sustaining, because I really want it to stick around, but I can’t keep bankrolling it. As I’ve spent more time working on the warehouse, which has involved a lot of outreach, facilitating events, etc, I’ve spent less and less time working on the software consulting business that has been my main source of income for the past few years. I’m totally happy with that – as cliched as it sounds, being a part of the community that’s grown around my warehouse has been the most fulfilling and interesting work I’ve ever done – but I will run out of money eventually. If you’re interested, there’s a video here where I talk about this a bit more in depth.

As a result of trying to figure all that out, progress on actually building things here has gotten slower, but here are some updates from the past few months.

The two main projects recently have been the Bridgeport and the Mercedes.

I started tearing down the Bridgeport shortly after getting it, and boy oh boy is it in rough shape. The ways are cooked, there’s some sketchy weld repairs, and they were using grease instead of oil in the zerks, so there’s a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cleaning to do. It quickly became clear the only sensible thing to do was to tear apart the entire knee, so that’s what I did.

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I definitely learned some things about how a knee mill works in the process, which was cool. Every single piece was unbelievably dirty, so I put every part that fit (and some that sorta didn’t) into my ultrasonic cleaner. That worked wonders. Then I cleaned out the oil channels as best I could with pipe cleaners, and went to town on the larger pieces with Scotchbrite, Simple Green, WD40, and every other degreaser I could find. At some point, I realized the paint was not going to be salvageable, so I just wire wheeled it all off the saddle with the angle grinder. I’m going to do the same with the underside of the table and the knee. I’m still in the middle of this cleaning process, so I’ll post another update once that’s all done.

The ways look pretty toast to me, but people over in the thread I made about buying the Bridgeport (here) seem to think they’re still salvageable, which is reassuring.

I also needed to get it wired up to a VFD, since I don’t have 3-phase power. Based on the wiring diagram on the motor, it was already wired for 220V, so I didn’t need to switch it over from 480, which was nice. After a bunch of research, I just ended up going with the cheapest one that had decent reviews and sufficient power output (this one), since it seems like for light-duty use there isn’t much of a difference between the cheap ones and the expensive ones. More on that later.

After running some janky temporary wiring, and doing some basic VFD programming, I got the mill to run off the VFD! This was the first time that I actually knew for sure that the thing worked at all, so that was a relief.

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I wanted to keep the original forward/off/reverse switch on the Bridgeport, because it’s oh so satisfying to ka-chunk from position to position. The OEM setup is that the switch is between the power supply and the motor, but VFDs don’t like having a switch between them and the motor, so that setup wasn’t going to work.

I ended up cutting up the original wiring harness and repurposing it. I ran one chunk from the VFD to the circuit box on the back of the machine, then ran another piece from the circuit box through the switch housing and directly into the motor without actually passing through the switch.

I drilled another hole in the switch housing, and ran a final piece from the switch to the VFD, and then programmed the VFD to run forward/reverse based on the switch position.

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(Someone left a helmet here that fits the Bridgeport perfectly, so now it’s a Bridgeport with style)

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To my immense surprise, it all worked! I still need to build a mounting bracket for the VFD, but I’m just stoked it all works.

Oh, quick sidebar: while I was working on the mill, my friend Conal who I met in Montreal texted me and told me he was hitchhiking across the country (lol, epic) and passing through NYC, and wanted to see if it was cool if he stayed over for a night. He showed up and quickly took on a full redesign of some shelves that Sean and I had been (very haphazardly) building for the back room – we knew we wanted french cleats, but neither of us knows much about woodworking, and in retrospect our design was terrible.

Conal, it turns out, is a truly excellent carpenter, and ended up staying for 4 days building these shelves. He even built a little ad hoc router table for the finishing touches. They came out awesome…I can hang from them and they hardly flex. Still need to stain them, but they work great. Thanks a million Conal :)

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Ok, on to the Mercedes. Unsurprisingly, when I said in my last post that I would be driving it in 2 weeks, I was spectacularly wrong.

The brakes, as it turns out, were TOAST. I pulled off the front calipers, which were well and truly shot.

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I rebuilt both of those, put in all new soft lines, replaced the rotors, bled the brakes…and still nothing. At all. There were no leaks, either, so that wasn’t it.

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The only thing I could think of was to rebuild the master cylinder. One of the flare nuts on it was already so destroyed that it turned into an actual circle when I tried to remove it, and I ended up just cutting through it with a hacksaw so that I could get the master off.

I tried to take it apart, and couldn’t even get the piston out. I tried everything I could think of, but it just wouldn’t come loose, and I knew it was spring-loaded and supposed to slide right out. So I drained as much fluid out of it as I could, clamped it in a vice, and took a butane torch to it to try to loosen the stuck seals. For 5 minutes, nothing happened, and then all of a sudden there was a BANG, a 4 foot tall flame, and the internals of the master scattered themselves across the room. I guess when the seals released, the spring released with them. Glad I had my squinting safety goggles on…OSHA loves this place.

I ordered a rebuild kit from Germany (ouch), because it was the only place I could find one, and did my best to follow the instructions in the service manual I found online. There are 4 variants of the same master cylinder, all of which are assembled slightly differently, and all of which have extremely grainy diagrams which are rather sparse on details. After a few false starts and a great deal of spilled brake fluid, I got it rebuilt and bench bled.

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I reflared the brake line that I’d hacksawed through (I almost forgot to put a new flare nut on first, that would have been a bummer), reinstalled the master, bled the brakes again, and…still no brakes. At all.

I was at my wits end, and posted on the BenzWorld forum about it. Everyone was certain it was a failed master, until someone pointed out that I had the bleed screws on the bottom of the calipers, and the air can’t escape unless they’re on top. DOH! It had never occurred to me that the calipers would fit on either side, so I didn’t think about the position of the bleed screw at all. I swapped the calipers, bled the brakes one more time, and eureka! The brake pedal had pressure!! The car could stop!

Unfortunately, after a few months of sitting, the carbs run far worse than when I first rebuilt them. Also, it’s cold out now, which doesn’t help. But Sean and I got it running ok enough to drive around the block a couple times (we can breeze over the part where it died in the middle of a busy intersection in Brooklyn), which is the first time it’s moved more than a few feet under its own power since I bought it more than a year ago. Now it’s just tuning (lots of tuning). I’m extremely stoked.

Some other misc stuff from the past few months: we did a cyanotype workshop here (cyanotypes are a sunlight-based photographic process that you can use to make art) – here’s the artist: https://www.instagram.com/_sporeplay

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We’ve also had a number of food-related events, which were really fun. A couple nearby chefs are putting on a monthly high-end supper club here. I found it surprising they’d want to do that in a dirty old warehouse, but people seemed to actually really like how different (and friendly) it felt from the usual places these sorts of events happen.

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A local cheesemonger put together a little mozzarella-making class…it was delicious.

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We had a little Friendsgiving in November, too:

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Oh, and we had a rental show where (to my surprise) an 8-person documentary crew came in to shoot it, with several hundred thousand dollars worth of camera gear. That was interesting.

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Last and definitely least, I needed a present for secret santa and didn’t know what to make, so I made some earrings. Never done that before, but I was pretty happy with how they came out…I made the box too.

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That’s all for now…Happy new year everyone :)
 
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What was the deal with the rental show?
Not entirely sure...the crew wouldn't tell me anything except that they were shooting a documentary about different street performers (i.e., buskers) in the city and that Budweiser was paying for it. I had to sign two disclosures – one formally agreeing to let them film the space, and one that gave my legal consent to personally be in the film. I'm curious if I'll ever see the final product.
 

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Not entirely sure...the crew wouldn't tell me anything except that they were shooting a documentary about different street performers (i.e., buskers) in the city and that Budweiser was paying for it. I had to sign two disclosures – one formally agreeing to let them film the space, and one that gave my legal consent to personally be in the film. I'm curious if I'll ever see the final product.
Cool, as long as it doesn’t cause you any use of space issues.
 

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Cool project, just read the entire thread.
At first I was worried that the landlord was taking the absolute piss in the arrangement that you had going, but it looks like you've done well with business sides of things to balance it all out.

Do you worry about the tools/equipment/personal effects going missing or being damaged during these events with people you might not know/people slipping in during?

Is the business enough to pay the bills unaided without your own salary taking the brunt or not there yet?

Love it mate, keep updating!
 
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Cool, as long as it doesn’t cause you any use of space issues.
Don't think it will – I don't get the sense that anyone's paying much attention. We did have one complaint filed a couple months back, but an inspector came and dismissed it. Seems like around here if you're not doing anything spectacularly heinous, the city has bigger fish to fry.
Cool project, just read the entire thread.
At first I was worried that the landlord was taking the absolute piss in the arrangement that you had going, but it looks like you've done well with business sides of things to balance it all out.

Do you worry about the tools/equipment/personal effects going missing or being damaged during these events with people you might not know/people slipping in during?

Is the business enough to pay the bills unaided without your own salary taking the brunt or not there yet?

Love it mate, keep updating!
Thanks man! As far as the landlord arrangement – it is, objectively, a pretty bad deal for me, but it's the only way something like this is possible around here. DIY spaces of all sorts are disappearing because real estate is just so damn expensive.

I was worried about equipment getting stolen at the beginning, but at this point we've had so many events and no issues at all, so I feel pretty good about it. The people who come here generally seem to pick up the vibe that this is a friendly, welcoming place that couldn't exist if people fucked with it. There's obviously the chance that that attitude will bite me someday, but I'd rather be trusting by default and get burned occasionally than be suspicious by default and miss out on lots of potentially cool events, friends, etc. We have a doorman for the bigger events, so random people getting in isn't much of an issue.

In the last few months it's gotten pretty close to paying for itself, but this is the first time that's happened. I've paid for most of it out of pocket, and some friends have generously chipped in too. At some level, it's a dumb financial move (I never expect to make my investment back), but I've learned so much and had so many cool experiences here that I don't care at all.

One interesting dynamic has been that as the space has evolved, I've come to care less and less about money, because I've found that facilitating other people's cool experiences has been far more fulfilling than any amount of money I made writing software. I still really enjoy that too, but I don't care about money nearly as much as I once did. And I also make a lot less of it, because I spend much of my time focused on this space, which at the end of the day, doesn't really make any money.

To put this in real terms, in case someone finds this useful (I sure would have when I started): I've probably spent $120k between rent and improvements in the past two years. In 2023, I paid myself ~$20k out of my total consulting earnings of $80k. (In 2022, my consulting business brought in more like $140k since I was spending so much more time on it.) I don't really know what the P&L of the warehouse itself was until I started tracking it more carefully in October, but since then we've taken in $17k and spent about $15k. That also doesn't include 100% of the rent – I'm only paying $2500 of the $3500 out of the warehouse account, and paying the other $1000 out of my consulting business account. All this is public data – I'm tracking it on Open Collective.

(I think it's a shame that as a culture, we're so secretive about finances. I think the average person would be better off if we all knew a bit more about each other's finances, were able to learn from our peers' successes and mistakes, and placed a little less of a value judgement on how much someone does or doesn't make.)
 

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(I think it's a shame that as a culture, we're so secretive about finances. I think the average person would be better off if we all knew a bit more about each other's finances, were able to learn from our peers' successes and mistakes, and placed a little less of a value judgement on how much someone does or doesn't make.)

I've been following along this thread for quite some time and had to chime in. I wish more people would be as transparent about this sort of thing. Very cool of you to put it out there and set an example!

What you've built down there - the space, and the community - is nothing short of awesome. Keep at it man!

I lol'd at the bleeder screws. Happens to the best of us 😅
 
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I always said if I ever won hundreds of millions of dollars I would have a business that would lose money. It would encompass all my hobbies..lol
No need to have hundreds of millions of dollars to lose money...I sure don't have that much! Just need one business that makes money and one that loses money ;)
I've been following along this thread for quite some time and had to chime in. I wish more people would be as transparent about this sort of thing. Very cool of you to put it out there and set an example!

What you've built down there - the space, and the community - is nothing short of awesome. Keep at it man!

I lol'd at the bleeder screws. Happens to the best of us 😅
Pretty rad stuff in here, great vision, ambition and execution.
Thanks guys, much appreciated :)
 

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No need to have hundreds of millions of dollars to lose money...I sure don't have that much! Just need one business that makes money and one that loses money ;)


Thanks guys, much appreciated :)
No, I would need that much because I’m gonna need a few different types of race tracks, a hobby store, there might be a water feature..lol This business will lose aaaaallllloooottttt of money..lol
 
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A very, very delayed update: I've closed down the space and moved out.

It took me a long time to come to this decision, but existing in Brooklyn is super expensive, and there are some other things I'd like to do that I couldn't do as long as I had to pay for this space. I also realized that, when it comes to building a self-sustaining community space, I'd made some mistakes right at the beginning that were going to be very hard to rectify after the fact. The two main mistakes were:
  1. Starting the space completely on my own, without partners, and
  2. Being incredibly un-specific about what the use case for the space was.
#1 became a problem because no one else was ever as deeply committed as I was to trying to make it work, and although I got a ton of help from my friends, I just couldn't sustain the level of energy required to keep the space running when no one else was willing to put in a similar amount of time and thought and energy. The very idea of starting a community space by oneself is kind of silly, if you think about it :) I don't regret how I went about things, because at the time that I got the space I didn't have anyone else to start it with, but I do think that was a limiting factor in the longevity and success of the space.

#2 was a problem because that lack of specificity and purpose made it so that everyone else's desires for what would happen in the space got put before mine, which made it harder for me to stay engaged, and also made it much harder to convey the value prop of the space since it wasn't for a specific thing...and so once I got to the point of realizing that I needed the space to start paying for itself in order for it to continue, it was hard to construct a clear message about what people would be paying for if they supported the space financially.

Again, I don't regret any of it – I'm really glad I just pulled the trigger and got the space and worried about the details later, because otherwise I never would have gotten started. Having the space, and being a part of all the incredible things that happened there, was definitely the highlight of my life so far. I just needed to free myself up financially a bit, escape from the city, and give myself some room to figure out what the next part of my life looks like (including professionally, since I don't feel great about making money from writing code to help people sell stuff on Amazon). So at the end of May, I decided that we'd shut down at the end of October.

But lots more cool **** happened between my last post and when we closed, so here's some of that!

Sometime in January of last year we hosted our first real electronic music event, a dubstep album release show. I'm a huuuuge EDM guy, so I was pretty stoked, and decided to figure out how to do custom lighting for the whole album. I spent a solid 10 days doing nothing but figuring out how to program lights, and ended up with something I'm actually pretty damn proud of. I pretty much only have videos of the event itself – if you want to see the lights in action, there's some clips here. I had a blast figuring out the lights...I'd love to do more lighting for EDM shows.

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It was cold as hell in the warehouse, so I did most of the work from inside a sleeping bag...

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In April, we hosted a premiere for the movie my friends Jonah and Danny made of our motorcycle ride from LA to southern Mexico. Friends and family came from all over the country, and we rented a high-quality projector and screen for the occasion. It was really cool having so many new faces in the warehouse, and also really cool seeing everyone's reaction to the movie. It's actually done pretty damn well on YouTube, which is wild...it just won the audience choice award at the PDX Motorcycle Film Festival. Crazy. Here's the link:

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We made a lot of misc upgrades, including installing some big roll-down photo backdrops so people could do shoots on the stage when there weren't concerts going on, and neatening up the tool storage.

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And as always, lots of different random projects were being worked on. My friends Sean and Anna spent a long time restoring a dresser they found on the street.

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And made a banner for our monthly trash pickups:

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In the summer, I ran a 6-session introduction to motorcycle repair class. I'd never taught anything in a structured way before, and it was a really interesting experience. I was nervous as hell going into each class. I'm no expert mechanic, but I know my way around a motorcycle well enough. Here's the syllabus I wrote, in case anyone's curious.

It actually went really well! I got a guy named Matthew who owns a nearby moto repair shop to come hang out during each class to help the students with the hands-on parts and fill in the gaps in my knowledge. People seemed to have a really good time, and by the end of the 6 sessions, the blue Honda CM400A that had been sitting in the warehouse for the previous 18 months was finally working. It was cool seeing some of the people who'd never used hand tools, or gotten covered in oil, or had the experience of fixing something, experience those things for the first time. (I also met a girl I've been seeing through the class, so that was also definitely an upside of the whole experience :)

A few weeks after we got the CM running, I gave myself a Hulk Hogan mustache and some of my photographer friends decided it was prime time for a photoshoot...so I ended up with these absolutely hilarious pictures of me looking like a ******** biker on a baby-blue automatic motorcycle.

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The two big ongoing shop projects were the Bridgeport and the Mercedes. I decided to make a bracket to mount the VFD to the Bridgeport as a welding practice project (I am shamefully terrible at welding), and started making this ugly piece up out of some misc scrap I had lying around.

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Unfortunately, I made a pretty gigantic mistake while switching my angle grinder from a wire wheel to a flap disk, and managed to wire wheel a good chunk of the back of my left pointer finger off. I'll spare you the pics, but it was down to the tendon. I forgot to unplug the grinder while taking the wire wheel off, and accidentally activated the double trigger with my chest while my finger was inside the guard. It got trapped by the guard, which made things much worse. It was pretty gnarly. I luckily didn't end up needing a skin graft, but it was a close thing.

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Anyway, that delayed the project for about a week, and then I got sick of waiting and made myself a little finger protector so that I could finish the job.

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It ain't pretty, but I made it! And it works! **** yeah.

I also added a 2-gang 110V outlet on the side of the mill to accommodate the work light, power feed, and DRO. Once I did that, I was able to remove a hilarious amount of wiring.

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The clutch master and slave cylinders on the Mercedes were both in sorry condition, so I rebuilt both of them, too. The master took a while to figure out, since the new rubber didn't look the same as the old rubber, and it was pretty tough to find a rebuild kit for the slave. It wouldn't have been that expensive to replace it, but I'd way rather avoid throwing away a fixable part if I can.

I also bought a new master-to-slave clutch hose since the old one was obliterated, but the threads on one side were the wrong size...I just threw a M14-to-M12 female adapter sleeve in there and then it worked fine.

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All rebuilt:

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We threw one final show, too. It was a bittersweet moment. The best times of my life have been spent in this place, and some of the worst times as well. We had the 4 bands who'd played here the most play that final show. The outpouring of love I heard from people that night about how much the space meant to them really blew me away. I knew people cared about it, but hearing how they talked about it when it was going away for good was truly wild. People told me it was the place they'd met their friends, the place they'd found their voice artistically, the one place they felt truly comfortable and accepted. Damn. I was in the front row alternately dancing my *** off and crying for most of the night.

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Right after that show I left for a month, and when I got back it was time to pack up shop. It was a biiiiig job. I also needed to sell the Bridgeport, which meant I needed to finish rebuilding it. I spent a looong time finishing up cleaning the whole machine, putting everything back together, and getting it aligned as best I could. Then I ground it down to bare metal and Sean painted the whole thing. I only ever made a couple cuts on it, sadly...I wish I'd gotten it put back together sooner. Luckily it found a good new home, nearby at a community bike repair shop. It was pretty worn out, but still good for a lot of small jobs.

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I had a bit of a move-out marathon where in a 60-hour period, I:
  • Noticed my 4Runner was misfiring and did plugs and wires on VERY short notice
  • Rented a Uhaul box trailer, discovered my trailer harness didn't work and jerry-rigged the wiring well enough for Uhaul to let me take the trailer, packed up 90% of the warehouse, drove it 4 hours to MA, and unpacked everything into my parents' garage attic
  • Rented another smaller Uhaul trailer to pick up a free motorcycle that I'd been given (a longer story, but it's a 1994 BMW R100R Mystik that works but was given to me in pieces), grabbed the bike, brought it to my parents' too, and returned that trailer
  • Returned the big trailer to NYC, then picked up a drop deck trailer to move the milling machine. Moved the mill to its new home, stored the trailer at the warehouse overnight, then returned it
  • Packed the rest of the warehouse into my 4Runner and drove that stuff to my parents' too
It was a period with very little sleep, a lake of coffee, and way too many miles with overloaded trailers pulled by a reluctant 4Runner. Whew.

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Sean and Anna made the three of us dinner the second-to-last night. I think we definitely spent more time together in the warehouse than anyone else, by far.

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And the very last night, a bunch of us went to a show together and then finally fulfilled the joke we'd made for years about sleeping on the roof.

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Moving out was extremely weird. I put nearly everything I had into this space – my time, my energy, my money for the past few years were mostly poured into improving the space, developing the community, learning to manage and build and invite people in. Now that I'm a few months out from it, I still feel like I made the right choice. It's been good to get some space, to do some thinking about what's next.

I have no doubt that I'll create another space in the same spirit as this one at some point in the not-so-distant future, and use what I've learned here to make that one better.

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(The Mercedes is still an ongoing project – there's more to that story, but I'll probably move that to another thread for the sake of closure.)

One final fun lil thing: Sean lived at the warehouse for a while (can't remember if I mentioned that), and when he moved out, he drew me this card:

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Before I moved out, he drew me up this version on the computer...

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And I got it permanently installed. At the risk of being melodramatic, this place totally changed my life. I know this isn't really standard GJ content, but it's the truth.

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Thanks for following along, yall :) Highside Workshop over and out.

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