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If y'all can be a little patient, I can stop by the YMCA, and take a picture of Morris' portrait. I drive past it every couple of weeks on my local errands.

I'll have more to say here later today, too. Lots to respond to.

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Edit: BTW, I did research the three patent numbers on the handle. None of the patents referenced seem to pertain exactly to this tool which leads me to wonder if the handle itself was used on multiple tools? The way it is pinned to the ratchet may support this theory as it looks as if it could easily be used universally.[/QUOTE]
 

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Edit: BTW, I did research the three patent numbers on the handle. None of the patents referenced seem to pertain exactly to this tool which leads me to wonder if the handle itself was used on multiple tools? The way it is pinned to the ratchet may support this theory as it looks as if it could easily be used universally.
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Rubicon:

Pardon my multiple replies. I put a certain amount of effort into each one, which means I sometimes overlook the questions I receive other than the ones I focus on.

You can also tell that I do not fully understand the posting technology here. I'll continue doing my best....

You asked about patent numbers for patents that appear to have little to do with your Jotru 10. Let me see if I can't shed a little more light than clouds and haze on that one.

I had noticed, but paid little attention to, those patent numbers on the spring tubes of Jo-Line torque wrenches repeatedly over the 9 years I worked there. They always looked the same to my teenaged eyes and, besides which, they didn't seem to matter so long as Dad didn't come home in the evening worried and muttering about a patent case. He never did that, so I just noted them.

I went back and looked at my collection of J O Mfg. and Jo-Line products after you posted your question. My oldest torque wrench with patent numbers on it is an AC Delco Spark Plug wrench (product no. ST-110). I think this wrench dates back to the 1950's. Unlike most Jo-Line products with which I am personally familiar, this spark plug wrench has the circular top to the spring tube like your Jotru. Most Jo-Line products had a kind-of oval top, to constrain the hinge's movements inside it. It is also a Series A wrench, like yours (Jo-Line was up to Series D by the late 1970's). My ST-110 lists Patent Nos. 2743638 and 3016773, and states "OTHER PATENTS PENDING," but does not refer to Patent No. 2897704.

Digressing a bit, I found My ST-110's reference to only the two patents covering the torque mechanism a bit interesting, because the patent not referenced on my ST-110's spring tube, No. 2897704, is for a ratchet that I have seen a couple of times, but wasn't a big seller. The ratchet in Patent No. 2897704 looks nothing like your Jotru's ratchet or my ST-110's ratchet. Nos. 2743638 and 3016773 should apply to your Jotru and do (I think) apply to my ST-110. They appear to apply to the torque wrench mechanism itself. Your Jotru has one of those, as does my ST-110. It was the patents on that part of the mechanism that allowed my Dad to send me and my sister to college. I noticed that it was my grandfather who obtained each of those three patents. Nice to see.
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Anyway, I saw all three patent numbers on an Owatonna T-4B (30-250 ft. lbs) that Jo-Line manufactured in September 1976, a standard "Size 3" wrench that has the same guts as yours (although a little bigger than yours), but nothing like the head your Jotru has. Why it has Patent 2897704 on its spring tube I can't tell you; it has the standard post-1973 (or so) Jo-Line ratchet on it, not the one depicted in that patent.

I am no patent lawyer, but I am surmising that it wasn't necessary for J O or Jo-Line to get a new patent every time they changed the dimensions on the torque wrench mechanism that was otherwise uniform across all these tools. I can tell you from personal experience that the guts of every J O Mfg and Jo-Line torque wrench (with a few exceptions like the Jo-Mites and No-Hubs) was the same, other than their dimensions.

Thus, I think that you guessed the answer to your question. Certainly Patent Nos. 2743638 and 3016773 were universal in appearing on J O and Jo-Line Tools torque wrenches, and appeared on J O Mfg. products and Jo-Line products from the 1950's through at least the late 1970's. If any of you have a Snap-On QJR-3200, 3200A, or 3200B, you will see all three of our patents on their tools. Patent No. 2897704 was almost as universal as the first two, even though the ratchet mechanism on your Jotru was apparently a Plomb ratchet and so wouldn't have been covered by No. 2897704 in any event.

Dad thinks your tool is a one-off (I agree with Lugz on that, especially since hearing that your Jotru's ratchet was manufactured by Plomb; so that you may indeed have a unique find), and, as such, they wouldn't have been very punctilious about the patent numbers on the spring tube. Further, they wouldn't have invested the capital necessary to separately patent a ratchet assembly before they knew whether there was a market for it. I very much doubt that this was the first time Van had asked J O to make an investment on spec,and my Dad's memory is that none of them panned out. The point was to get Van a working model that he could use to (hopefully) sell more. I was an infant when your tool was made, so I can't add much from personal memory.

So, as usual, I have an utterly unprovable (but equally non-disputable) theory for you, a theory that does little more than flesh out your excellent guess regarding these patent numbers. This tool was supposed to be a spec model, a demonstrator, for a line of tools J O could manufacture if the automakers showed any interest in it. Les wouldn't have invented brand new parts for a spec item where he didn't have to. He clearly had to do some inventing with the head assembly, the adjuster handle and the ratchet. However, there had been a lot of expensive research and development put into the actual torque wrench mechanism part of your tool (I'm referring to everything below the unusual head assembly of your Jotru). Further, I'll bet the bottom of your Jotru is not sealed the way every other J O product was during the 1950's, with a plug of white metal (The Jotru 10A I referred to earlier was not sealed, so I am assuming that yours is the same as that one). So, my bet is that Les used the guts of some other J O product, and made the head assembly for it. He grabbed a spring tube from his magic bag of tricks that struck him as being of the right size for the amount of torque your tool was meant to apply. That spring tube had the universally applied patent numbers on it. None of my grandfather, my Dad, or Les would have invested in the tooling necessary to create a brand new torque wrench mechanism, or, worse, to make a new rubber grip for what was yet another Van Belknap project that had no buyers.

Bill
 

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Bill, thanks again for the very thorough explanation. As to your question about the seal, you are right. At least there isn't one visible from what I can see. If this one is a proto-type, and parts were grabbed out of the "box of goodies" as you mentioned, then it completely makes sense that the patent numbers would naturally be applicable to the more universal nature of the spring tube. I haven't tested the torque release capability of the tool yet. Should I expect it to simply slip or click once I arrive at the preset value?
 

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I was curious about my AC Spark Plug torque wrench I posted early in the thread so I checked a couple of the patent numbers and they matched up. Sorry about the blurry pictures. I always assumed that the ratchet head mechanism was supplied by S-K but I’m not sure.
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I happen to have two of these. Both acquired from estate auctions. The flex head is ID’ed as AC Spark Plugs.
 

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All:

There have been some questions here about the ratchets that J O and Jo-Line used on their torque wrenches. Ricky Joe wondered about Owatonna wrenches, because they used Proto ratchets, and d42Jeep wondered about S-K ratchets. This also ties in to Rubicon's noting that his Jotru 10 has a Proto/Plomb ratchet.

I asked Dad about his ratchets. He gave me a story that I had heard pieces of, but never the whole story. Here's my best effort at it.

Apparently, making ratchets is tough. The pivot-style micrometer torque wrench that J O and Jo-Line made was complex enough. Dad didn't need more headaches. So, he got his ratchets from other suppliers from the early days until the early 1970's. He said that he wasn't necessarily wedded to any particular supplier of ratchets, although I don't remember seeing any that differed much from the ones photographed by d42Jeep or IMCA38 on their spark plug wrenches, above, before the mid-70's. I asked him whether he could have gotten his older ratchets from Proto. He said that Proto was a very possible supplier (which backs up Lugz' observation that Dad's calling Proto his "bitter enemy" might have been sourced in a 95 year-old's memories from 50-60 years ago, and may not have summarized the whole situation). He didn't think that S-K was a likely supplier of ratchets to J O or Jo-Line.

This also may explain why Rubicon's Jotru 10 has a Plomb/Proto ratchet on it. Dad wasn't making his own ratchets when J O made that Jotru 10. So, it had to be made by someone else. Given that Dad changed his tune a bit on his "bitter enemy" Plomb ("bitter enemies" in torque wrenches, but not in ratchets, perhaps?), Les Trimble's use of a Plomb ratchet on Rubicon's Jotru may well make sense.

This all changed in the mid-1970's. My Dad started selling Jo-Line wrenches in Europe through Facom, a French company Dad assures me that you will have heard of. Facom started buying a small number of wrenches from Jo-Line. It resold most of them. The ones it didn't sell to customers, it disassembled and copied. Facom stopped buying wrenches from Jo-Line, and started selling its own torque wrenches based on the Jo-Line design.

Well, Dad got wind of this, and decided that turnabout was fair play. He bought some Facom ratchets, measured the hell out of them, copied them, and began making Jo-Line wrenches with Jo-Line ratchets copied from Facom. I have attached a photo of the "new" Jo-Line ratchet in this post.

P.S., I wrote above that Les Trimble built Rubicon's Jotru 10. Well, he did. However, Dad corrected me on the process that went into that production. Van Belknap called my Dad, who made the decision about whether to produce the spec tool. Dad was an engineer before he was the owner of Jo-Line, so he could talk engineering. So, Dad headed down to Ziggy Sopinski in engineering, and told Ziggy what he had approved after talking to Van. Ziggy then drew up the blueprints for what to make. Les executed on those blueprints.

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So, which one of our LA-area members is going to run up there and snap a photo for the Plomb thread? :)


Haha. Well, that was the other of the only two possibilities of them being so close! Thanks for adding something only your father could add to the deduction! Only show him the attached photos when his heart rate needs a bit of a kick! :lol:
Lugz:

I don't need to accelerate my receipt of my inheritance. I think I'll keep these photos to myself.

Bill
 

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Bill,
It may just be me, but I can't see your images. Thanks again for the insight. Its a rare opportunity that we have to get the scoop directly from the people who made these tools that we collect.
 

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Might be related or not, but I have this pair of egg beater drills, double knuckled for tight spaces. Was told they were for working inside an airplane wing, WW2-ish. Marked JO LINE and JO Manufacturing.
Same JO company we're talking about?
Bonnyman:

I had a chance to catch up with Dad about your egg beater drill.

Its design apparently dates to the very immediate pre-WWII period. Dad says that Grandfather didn't invent this tool. Instead, he entered into a contract manufacturing arrangement with the inventor of this "all angle" hand drill, who was located in the San Diego area. Grandfather painted the ones he manufactured for the consumer market. Then, the government ordered some, and, as I have already noted, my Grandfather did everything he could to make every dollar he could. He sold a bunch of these drills to the government early in the war. The only difference between the government and commercial drills was that the consumer drills were painted, and the government drills were plated. Yours is one of those all-angle drills Grandfather made during WWII for the government.

Dad then went on to say the all-angle drill was a failed product. The all-angle aspect of it was an innovative idea, allowing for the drill's use in circumstances that other drills couldn't touch. However, the gear wheel was made out of cast aluminum. You would drill just a few holes before that soft aluminum, stripped, and the drill became useless.

The consumer drills are pre-war. Your government drill is from the WWII era.

B
 

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BILL: thank you again very much for the great information and stories from your dad.

I started posting Photobucket pictures on Garage Journal and when PB (photobucket) changed their methods I quit using them and i just click on the paperclip above and in the middle of where we write our posts. then attach pictures off your laptop (ipad and cell are a bit tougher I hear) and it's sort of like attaching pictures to an email.

yep I don't see your pictures either so feel free to edit and try again or you can just make an entire new post and put in a word or two cause I think you need to say something or the pictures won't post.

good luck and thanks again for all the information and stuff you are mentioning!!
 

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Bill: I'm not sure anybody welcomed you to the forum, but I will officially if we haven't cause you are a wealth of knowledge, have a great wit and story telling ability and you now know how to post up a few pics.

speaking of pics do you or your dad have a drawer or wall of Jo tools you'd like to post up a few pics of please do if you have time.

hope your weekend is relaxing and thank your dad for all the added information you've mentioned he told you and you posted up in yours (or his) words.

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Ok, Grayspoked (Bill) I have suddenly found myself unable to resist buying a Jo-Line piece when I find them, but especially when I find something that seems a bit unusual. And I have to admit that I love hearing the stories coming from you and your dad about these tools!! Here is one I just got today and it is a JOTRU 5T. The patent numbers are the same three as were on my JOTRU 10. The open end wrench on the working end is a 3/8" size and there is a tension screw on the inside of the handle where you can adjust the amount of torque needed. After seeing how the torque indicator works on this wrench I was better able to understand how it works on my JOTRU 10. Anxious to hear more about this 5T and if there were other sizes also made available? Thanks.
 

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I actually picked up a few preset torque wrenches recently. I'll need to get a pic of them. Not one of the styles shown yet.
 

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Bonnyman:

I had a chance to catch up with Dad about your egg beater drill.

Its design apparently dates to the very immediate pre-WWII period. Dad says that Grandfather didn't invent this tool. Instead, he entered into a contract manufacturing arrangement with the inventor of this "all angle" hand drill, who was located in the San Diego area. Grandfather painted the ones he manufactured for the consumer market. Then, the government ordered some, and, as I have already noted, my Grandfather did everything he could to make every dollar he could. He sold a bunch of these drills to the government early in the war. The only difference between the government and commercial drills was that the consumer drills were painted, and the government drills were plated. Yours is one of those all-angle drills Grandfather made during WWII for the government.

Dad then went on to say the all-angle drill was a failed product. The all-angle aspect of it was an innovative idea, allowing for the drill's use in circumstances that other drills couldn't touch. However, the gear wheel was made out of cast aluminum. You would drill just a few holes before that soft aluminum, stripped, and the drill became useless.

The consumer drills are pre-war. Your government drill is from the WWII era.

B

Thanks for that info, sir. :thumbup:

I've used it a few times but it doesn't work unless the material is quite soft. So it's just a neat piece of history sittin on my shelf.
 

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Ok, Grayspoked (Bill) I have suddenly found myself unable to resist buying a Jo-Line piece when I find them, but especially when I find something that seems a bit unusual. And I have to admit that I love hearing the stories coming from you and your dad about these tools!! Here is one I just got today and it is a JOTRU 5T. The patent numbers are the same three as were on my JOTRU 10. The open end wrench on the working end is a 3/8" size and there is a tension screw on the inside of the handle where you can adjust the amount of torque needed. After seeing how the torque indicator works on this wrench I was better able to understand how it works on my JOTRU 10. Anxious to hear more about this 5T and if there were other sizes also made available? Thanks.
Lugz:

You sound like you're of a vintage - like me - that you might remember a TV show from (ahem) a while back called "Mr. Ed." (How's THAT for a nice way of putting that one?) Anyway, the opening jingle had a line that went "Go right to the source, and ask the horse/ He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse/Talk to Mr. Ed".

I gotta go to the source, and he's gone to bed at this point. I'll be back.

Bill

P.S., I'll bet dollars to donuts that that's the first reference to "Mr. Ed" on this board.

P.P.S., I will post pictures of other tools in the joint collection of Jo-Line tools that my Dad and I have. When he reached 95, he decided he might as well pass them along to me, so they're all here. There's some quirky stuff, but a lot of it is more recent - stuff that I had a hand in building all those years ago. However, for example, I haven't yet seen anyone come up with a Jomite yet, and I can post some pix of that..... Be patient with me.
 

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Thanks for that info, sir. :thumbup:

I've used it a few times but it doesn't work unless the material is quite soft. So it's just a neat piece of history sittin on my shelf.
Bonnyman:

I asked Dad one question that for reasons having to do with my various defects of character I forgot to put in my response to you. I asked Dad WHY these all-angle drills were manufactured with aluminum gear wheels, if aluminum was too soft to bear the reasonable loads expected of a hand drill. I mean, the softness of aluminum ain't exactly a state secret. That, and I would expect that aluminum was a more expensive material in 1939-42 than steel. He shrugged and said that he didn't know. Of course, he would have been in the middle of high school then, before joining the Army in 1943.

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Lugz:

You sound like you're of a vintage - like me - that you might remember a TV show from (ahem) a while back called "Mr. Ed." (How's THAT for a nice way of putting that one?) Anyway, the opening jingle had a line that went "Go right to the source, and ask the horse/ He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse/Talk to Mr. Ed".

I gotta go to the source, and he's gone to bed at this point. I'll be back.

Bill

P.S., I'll bet dollars to donuts that that's the first reference to "Mr. Ed" on this board.

P.P.S., I will post pictures of other tools in the joint collection of Jo-Line tools that my Dad and I have. When he reached 95, he decided he might as well pass them along to me, so they're all here. There's some quirky stuff, but a lot of it is more recent - stuff that I had a hand in building all those years ago. However, for example, I haven't yet seen anyone come up with a Jomite yet, and I can post some pix of that..... Be patient with me.
Rubicon:

My bad, I was typing quickly before heading for bed myself. I misdirected my response to Lugz instead of you, and so responded a bit thoughtlessly. There are levels at which I hope my joke about Mr. Ed fits you (so that I didn't totally flame out on that) and levels at which I hope I missed on the joke (so that you're young enough not to remember the Mr. Ed TV show)!

Either way, I have sent your pix of the Jotru 5T to Dad, and will follow up with him.

Sheesh.

Bill
 

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Rubicon:

My bad, I was typing quickly before heading for bed myself. I misdirected my response to Lugz instead of you, and so responded a bit thoughtlessly. There are levels at which I hope my joke about Mr. Ed fits you (so that I didn't totally flame out on that) and levels at which I hope I missed on the joke (so that you're young enough not to remember the Mr. Ed TV show)!

Either way, I have sent your pix of the Jotru 5T to Dad, and will follow up with him.

Sheesh.

Bill

No mention of "Green Acres" either!

I think they spun that off of petticoat junction.
Bill, we are contemporaries for sure and no problem with the cross up with our good friend Lugz! Mr Ed, Green Acres and Petticoat Junction along with Red Skelton and The Honeymooners are a part of my childhood. And yes, right to the source is true and so rare an opportunity in our hobby. Looking forward to hearing back and hope these inquiries are fun for your dad and you. :beer:
 

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Bill: i'm guessing more than a few of us are humming TV theme songs now and waiting patiently for pictures of yours (and Dad's old) collection of tools your company made.

wouldn't it be nice if TV had more fun shows instead of all the violence of today's TV and movies?

I hear the weather in your part of the world is room temperature 70-80's which is a lot better than 40's and rain.

thanks again for all the information.

also if you have a favorite tool from your company or picture of the old factory with you working go in your GJ profile and click on AVATAR and download it and you'll have it showing up under your handle on every post.

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Bonnyman:

I asked Dad one question that for reasons having to do with my various defects of character I forgot to put in my response to you. I asked Dad WHY these all-angle drills were manufactured with aluminum gear wheels, if aluminum was too soft to bear the reasonable loads expected of a hand drill. I mean, the softness of aluminum ain't exactly a state secret. That, and I would expect that aluminum was a more expensive material in 1939-42 than steel. He shrugged and said that he didn't know. Of course, he would have been in the middle of high school then, before joining the Army in 1943.

Bill

No problems, Bill. I appreciate all your efforts.
My thoughts after receiving your prior response was perhaps they were concerned with aircraft damage? Aluminum - being lighter and softer - would be less likely to dent, nick, or damage a plane component if dropped. Especially near an engine. And that might outweigh the problem of short tool life.
Perhaps?
 

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ALL: aluminum to prevent sparking before they developed BECU? plus it was lighter so a lot of the young mechanics working around the clock might get better use out of them? maybe a couple wild guesses, but i'm still learning and maybe a few others are too and guessing might produce answers you can't look up on GOOGLE.

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At the risk of "piling on" to my JOTRU 5T post earlier, I want to share my latest find which is a war time USAF marked JOIC similar to the one that Bonneyman shared earlier but with a couple differences. It is amazing to me how smoothly this little hand drill still operates and how precisely everything fits together. It is hard to see in the pic, but even the chuck is marked JO Mfg. The differences in mine and Bonneyman's example is that mine has a thumb screw on the handle in place of the wingnut and instead of a plastic end cap on the end of the handle, mine has a removable cap and when removed reveals a space where bits etc can be stored. Other later JOIC examples I've found online also show the thumb screw and removable cap version.
 

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I forgot I had this. This alphanumeric style Federal Stock Number (as I have explained before, the "41" denotes all hand tools, the "W" denotes Wrench, and the "1012-20" denotes a double open end engineers wrench with 15/16" x 3/4" service openings) dates from 1934 to 1953, when the 11-digit numerical FSN was put into effect. While it could be WWII, my hunch is postwar. That marking format ("FEDERAL STOCK NO.") mirrors 1949-50 era federal specifications. EDIT: It's the only J.O. end wrench - of any kind, that I have ever seen, and that includes period photos and surplus re-packs. They couldn't have made too many of them.
 

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At the risk of "piling on" to my JOTRU 5T post earlier, I want to share my latest find which is a war time USAF marked JOIC similar to the one that Bonneyman shared earlier but with a couple differences. It is amazing to me how smoothly this little hand drill still operates and how precisely everything fits together. It is hard to see in the pic, but even the chuck is marked JO Mfg. The differences in mine and Bonneyman's example is that mine has a thumb screw on the handle in place of the wingnut and instead of a plastic end cap on the end of the handle, mine has a removable cap and when removed reveals a space where bits etc can be stored. Other later JOIC examples I've found online also show the thumb screw and removable cap version.

Good eye! I put the wingnut on as the original was missing from the drill. Another drill I had did have the screw on handle cap for drill bit storage. :thumbup:
 

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I picked these up recently. At first I thought they were line wrenches of sorts but they are also torque wrenches. Numbers 10,11,16. I haven't measured for their sizes. The end of one has a large screw I think would adjust the tension. Other 2 have glue or something in the end I haven't dug out.
 

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I forgot I had this. This alphanumeric style Federal Stock Number (as I have explained before, the "41" denotes all hand tools, the "W" denotes Wrench, and the "1012-20" denotes a double open end engineers wrench with 15/16" x 3/4" service openings) dates from 1934 to 1953, when the 11-digit numerical FSN was put into effect. While it could be WWII, my hunch is postwar. That marking format ("FEDERAL STOCK NO.") mirrors 1949-50 era federal specifications. EDIT: It's the only J.O. end wrench - of any kind, that I have ever seen, and that includes period photos and surplus re-packs. They couldn't have made too many of them.

Your wrench reminded me that I posted one from an EBay listing on G503 in 2017. Did you end up getting that wrench or did you find another one?
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All:

I have some catching up to do, both with you and Dad. The idea that Grandfather would make non-torque wrenches is not implausible, given my frequent references to his yen for making money with whatever anyone would buy. However, I hadn't heard anything concrete. I have to say that this thread has gotten my Dad and I together to talk about a bunch of the old times that I would never have tumbled to but for all of your posts!

Anyway, I'll start here with some pictures of an "all angle " drill made for the consumer market. It has a thumb screw for adjustments at the handle, and the end is a screw-on round cap, under which lies some storage space for attachments and whatnot.

I have some updates on the Jotru 5, and some pictures of some little guys I doubt any of you have ever seen. I only saw them a few times, but they have always intrigued me.
 

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Ok, Grayspoked (Bill) I have suddenly found myself unable to resist buying a Jo-Line piece when I find them, but especially when I find something that seems a bit unusual. And I have to admit that I love hearing the stories coming from you and your dad about these tools!! Here is one I just got today and it is a JOTRU 5T. The patent numbers are the same three as were on my JOTRU 10. The open end wrench on the working end is a 3/8" size and there is a tension screw on the inside of the handle where you can adjust the amount of torque needed. After seeing how the torque indicator works on this wrench I was better able to understand how it works on my JOTRU 10. Anxious to hear more about this 5T and if there were other sizes also made available? Thanks.
Rubicon:

OK, at long last, I can respond with a bit more detail concerning your Jotru 5T. As an absolute digression, I can only warn everyone here never to retire if what you want is some free time. Others around you will find nefarious ways of filling it.....

Dad identified your Jotru 5 as another of the Van Belknap specials to which I have alluded above, dating from the second half of the 1950's. The collapse of government orders in the years following WWII sent my Dad off on a scorched earth effort to find markets for his torque wrenches. Van was convinced that there were specialized needs for torque tools in the auto industry in particular, but also in others. He prevailed upon Dad to make prototypes of all sorts of ideas that Van and my Dad thought might find a niche with the likes of GM and Ford.

My Dad called yours a "torque handle" with a screw at the bottom end that could be screwed in to increase, or screwed out to decrease, the break point. Unlike the later micrometer torque wrenches, this one has no handhold that can be rotated clockwise to increase torque, or counterclockwise to release torque. Instead, you had to tighten or loosen that screw at the end, and then calibrate it to see if you had reached the desired torque. That would mean finding a torque measuring device (I have never heard of J O or Jo-Line ever selling those, although I have seen and worked on them). That never struck me as being terribly attractive to a customer. However,some of that may be due to where Dad took the product after he embedded himself in management in the mid- to late 1950's. I'll have another post about that, later.

Dad thinks that this was not a "pivot-block" wrench, like those described and depicted in patents 2897704 and 3016773. Rather, he expects that your Jotru 5 (and, I suspect, your Jotru 10) was built using "ball and retainer" technology. That means that a ball sat in a retainer, and the retainer sat on top of a spring, all inside what I always referred to at Jo-Line as the "spring tube" and what most people would call the "outside of the wrench." The screw at the end of your wrench added or released tension on the spring. This caused the force necessary to move the ball from its retainer to increase or decrease, thus permitting the operator of the tool to set the precise torque he wished to put onto whatever operation he was performing.

The drive end of your wrench is a female hex, into which a male hex shank could be inserted. The business idea was that there would be all sorts of drives that would be welded to the hex shanks, kind of like Mattel sells Barbie and then sells all the clothes separately. The drives were mostly open-ended wrenches, like yours. Jo-Line did not manufacture the wrench drives that were welded to the shanks, although I would expect that it would have started manufacturing them if enough Jotrus had been sold. The idea was that Detroit would buy thousands of the Jotru wrenches and tens of thousands of the shanks.

Unfortunately, the auto companies didn't buy the Jotru concept. Dad reports having some real tough discussions with Grandfather about manufacturing these wrenches. Grandfather would point out that J O/Jo-Line had no orders for any of these wrenches, and ask why it should invest good money down an unproven (implication: "rat") hole. Dad would respond that they had to do something, because the orders coming in for the present (mid-'50's) lineup of tools was not sufficient to keep the doors open. Grandfather had the last laugh here, because the Jotrus didn't sell. Dad told me that Grandfather lost a lot of confidence in Dad's ability to find profitable civilian applications for torque control. Don't worry, Dad redeemed himself in a way that would keep Jo-Line going for another generation until near the expiration of the critical patents (among which are patents 2897704 and 3016773). I'll have a post on that coming up, too.

Dad said that J O/Jo-Line made some number of these Jotrus, sold a very few, and junked the rest in the late 1960's. So, this one is like your Jotru 10. It is certainly a rarity, and may be unique. It was part of my Dad's frantic effort to find civilian applications for torque technology.

Also, the brand name "Jotru" does not refer to "Van Belknap Specials," although there was a lot of overlap between the two. Rather, Dad told me that Jotru was a line of torque wrenches that differed from all others. All wrenches with the screw-in bottoms, the ball and retainer torque technology, and the female hex head would be referred to as "Jotrus," with the numbering (e.g., 5, 10, etc.) depending on the span of torque values for which each wrench could be used, with higher numbers generally reserved for wrenches that could reach higher torques (e.g., 250 ft. lbs.) and lower numbers for wrenches that reached lower torques (e.g., 75 ft. lbs., like the AC Delco Spark Plug wrenches noted above in this thread, or anything denominated in "inch pounds."
Jo-Line ultimately wangled its way to a civilian customer base that was sufficient to support it. Grandfather came up with torque control technology that appears in patents 2897704 and 3016773. Dad came up with a way to bring the tools featuring this technology to market. The post describing that is coming up.

Dad also gave me some information that amounts to a bit of a digression that you may find interesting. I have referred to all sorts of drive ends being sawed off of products, like Proto's, that J O/Jo-Line would buy, and then weld onto drive ends for use in J O/Jo-Line products. Well, J O/Jo-Line didn't have that kind of welding shop, so where did all of that happen? It happened at a welding shop owned and run by Sid Bann called All Bann Welding. All Bann was located in the Watts district of South Central Los Angeles through the 1950's and 1960's, Near J O/Jo-Line in South Gate. Dad and Sid became "pals" in Dad's words because Dad was running over to All Bann frequently to talk about how Dad wanted this or that welding job done. Sid turned the business over to his son, who succeeded in getting a number of large contracts. The son then saw Watts starting to have troubles (anyone remember the Watts Riots of summer 1965?), and moved his business to Anaheim at about the same time Dad moved Jo-Line from South Gate to Anaheim. Then the son lost those big contracts and the business closed in the early 1970's. Dad describes Sid and his son as people who did a first class job. "Sad" was how he described the demise of All Bann. I remember taking things to and picking things up from All Bann in the Jo-Line company truck. Good people, although I was so low on the totem pole that I never met any member of the Bann family there.

Bill
 

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Rubicon:
OK, at long last, I can respond with a bit more detail concerning your Jotru 5T.
Dad identified your Jotru 5 as another of the Van Belknap specials to which I have alluded above, dating from the second half of the 1950's.

My Dad called yours a "torque handle" with a screw at the bottom end that could be screwed in to increase, or screwed out to decrease, the break point.
Dad thinks that this was not a "pivot-block" wrench, like those described and depicted in patents 2897704 and 3016773. Rather, he expects that your Jotru 5 (and, I suspect, your Jotru 10) was built using "ball and retainer" technology.
Dad said that J O/Jo-Line made some number of these Jotrus, sold a very few, and junked the rest in the late 1960's. So, this one is like your Jotru 10. It is certainly a rarity, and may be unique. It was part of my Dad's frantic effort to find civilian applications for torque technology.

Dad also gave me some information that amounts to a bit of a digression that you may find interesting. I have referred to all sorts of drive ends being sawed off of products, like Proto's, that J O/Jo-Line would buy, and then weld onto drive ends for use in J O/Jo-Line products. Well, J O/Jo-Line didn't have that kind of welding shop, so where did all of that happen? It happened at a welding shop owned and run by Sid Bann called All Bann Welding.
Bill,
Thanks once again for sharing so much great information. I can completely understand how these Jotru wrenches use the "ball and retainer" technology you described based on how they operate. I'm also glad to hear that this thread is helping create what must be some really fun conversations with you and your dad about the old days! I probably don't have to tell you this, but treasure those moments!
Dewayne
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I have a Jote; and a 750 inch-lb torque wrench (with the Facom-ish ratchet head) in 3/8 drive. Yeah, they're military surplus.

I've known the Jote was a torque-wrenchy item, but I've never used it except to try the thing on random fasteners. Yeah, it "breaks" at some very low torque probably perfect for #12 or 1/4" fasteners. If there's an operator's manual, I'd love to see it. I've noticed there's a screw on one side, I suspect that adjusts the torque. (Does it?)

The 750 in/lb torque wrench was tested and approved by a torque calibration company ( Team Torque ) a couple years ago. Also a low-use (but not "non-use" like the Jote) item. There's a stamping on the shaft that apparently shows the manufacturing date: 4 75. Calibrating the wrench I leave to others. I'd like to know how to disassemble the ratchet for cleaning and lube.

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Tell your Dad I'm proud to have these tools.
 

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Here is another recent addition to my growing Jo-Line drawer. This is a 3/8" drive ratchet head torque wrench designated at JOTRU 10AT. This one is allen head adjustable (in the handle) for torque and works great.
 

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GRAYSPOKED: if you might have more pictures of your cool collections or your dad's to post please do. and the stories are always a great read with your spin on them.

ALL: here's to a great 2020 and maybe i'll find one of these Jo-Line tools in my stuff as I get organized. or find one in the wild this year to post on this great thread.

cheers
 
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