Chris Adams
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Is this e-bay vendor Spaz-Stingray a member of this forum, or have any of the forum members bought from him?
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Chris
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Chris
anyone know e-bayer spaz-stingray?
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BKillian
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Never dealt with him, but have seen some of his auctions, by the way my ebay ID is stp5050
Merkava_4
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My eBay I.D. is OEXM150B.
But since eBay doesn't allow capital letters, you'll see it as oexm150b.
But since eBay doesn't allow capital letters, you'll see it as oexm150b.
chad s
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I bought a set of snap on sae mid deep sockets. The set had 2 9/16 sockets, and was missing another. He basicly told me I could spend it back at my own expense, and also lose the shipping to me that I paid (which was way overcharged, like 3 times his cost). The cost for shipping both ways was the same cost as buying a new socket from snap on, so I dropped the issue, but he's a jerk, doesnt care about his customers, and isnt worried about fixing his mistakes. Stay away. I would NEVER treat a buyer like he does.
rose jackets67
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I've bought from him once (a single wrench). I rememebr shipping being real slow, but the tool was OK. He actually bought a lot of tools that I was selling, and promptly resold them on ebay. Didn't seem like he made too much on the deal from what I saw.
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Chris Adams
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Thanks all. I was wondering if my experience was different from others but apparently not.
Bought a couple wrenches from him. Chrome was bad, one had a bad tip. The one with the bad tip was artistically photographed to hide it.
Then he offered to refund my cost less shipping, if I mail it back to him on my cost
SO HE COULD SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
I will keep it; maybe I can get a vendor to warranty it, but no way am I going to send it back to let someone else get burned.
I bought several other things from him and all were in much worse shape than his descriptions.
I will add him to my 'never buy from' group.
He has a lot of stuff, but beware, he’s not a nice vendor.
Bought a couple wrenches from him. Chrome was bad, one had a bad tip. The one with the bad tip was artistically photographed to hide it.
Then he offered to refund my cost less shipping, if I mail it back to him on my cost
SO HE COULD SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
I will keep it; maybe I can get a vendor to warranty it, but no way am I going to send it back to let someone else get burned.
I bought several other things from him and all were in much worse shape than his descriptions.
I will add him to my 'never buy from' group.
He has a lot of stuff, but beware, he’s not a nice vendor.
lbgradwell
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I see a screaming need for a new thread here!
Outing Shite eBay Sellers: Full Stories of Internet Thievery
Outing Shite eBay Sellers: Full Stories of Internet Thievery
plinker
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I bought from him twice the second time only because he had a wrench I needed to finish a set.
Never left me feedback on either auction, and looking it seems he dosent leave feedback for anybody either.
Never left me feedback on either auction, and looking it seems he dosent leave feedback for anybody either.
chad s
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He simply doesnt care. He is an arrogant ***. I didnt leave him neg, as its just not getting one back in retaliation. I would never buy from him again, I dont care if he has Snap On ratchets for $1 Buy it now.
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Chris Adams
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You did leave negative feedback?
I won't leave him any feedback.
I don't want the retaliatory feedback. I have 100% and sometimes sell. The retaliatory feedback system protects bad e-bayers like that.
And technically, it wouldn't be right anyway, as he offered me a 'refund' which would total about 40% of what I paid.
I could get a refund through Paypal, as they would refund all my costs but this isn't that expensive an item.
I may find a Mac vendor that will warranty it. If not, well, it wasn't that much.
But I wanted to see if this guy was a chronic jerk.
He is.
krusty the clown
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according to his profile he lives down the road from me. maybe we should visit!
lbgradwell
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Then "returns" would be easier for you!
chad s
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Actually the feedback system is about to change! The new ebay CEO is doing a lot of good it seems.
Coming soon, sellers will only be able to leave positive feedback for buyers, unless the seller wins an unpaid item dispute, then they can leave negative. Trust me, this policy is going to really change how sellers treat buyers, and has been needed for a long time.
I, and several people got emails with this info in an email from ebay a few weeks ago, it should be implemented soon.
Looks like ebay will become a buyers playground, more reeking of havoc and nonpayers.
chad s
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Non payers will be elegible to recieve negative feedback from a sellet.
If a buyer doesnt pay, the seller initiates a "non paying bidder report". If the buyer doesnt give proof of payment in a given amount of time, he receives a strike. At that point, the seller is able, and only in this case, to give the buyer a negative.
Rigmaster
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hmm, me too.
I have a couple of his items on my watch list- but I won't be bidding on them after seeing the problems here.
I've said it before, but I just don't understand why people have to act like this- is it really gonna kill Mr Spaz to eat some of the shipping cost, or offer a partial refund (let the buyer keep the item)???? Sure would buy him some goodwill- whereas the way he does business now is just earning him a crappy reputation.
It's not like the tools he sells are super rare, there are plenty of other sellers out there that do not treat their buyers like **** on a stick.
krusty the clown
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i sent him a message that i would like to look at an item, he has for sale, in person.
no response yet.
no response yet.
Rigmaster
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess what his response will be.
Something along the lines of "sorry, I don't allow any local pickups due to problems with this in the past- if you'd like to bid on this item, please check my feedback and do so in confidence".
Either that or "hell no, I ayin't lettin' noone frum the innnernet come ta my place, how am I sposed to no dat you ayin't gunna come bak an' rob my *** an' steel all my shiz?"
I think krusty was the one that clued me in to avoid this seller.
I bet local pickup is available for an extra $10
orangeastre
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I bought multiple items from him in the past,all Snap-on.Some was as described,a couple of 1/4" drive extensions were listed as no rust,no engravings......BUT had 3" grinder marks where the initials or rust were removed.The last items I bought from him were a flank drive plus 7/16" wrench and a yellow handled SDD4.I waited over a month,got weak excuses.Didn't bother with it over christmas holidays,came back to him after christmas and got no response.His replies were excellent with such gems as "so report me to paypal,I will just block you as a bidder" and "give me some more time I haven't lost a package yet".I honestly believe that he shipped the items but I didn't get them,he doesn't care.
He didn't rip me off as bad as Ken Reaser(aircondtools),he got me for $150.00.He won't even return phone calls anymore,that was 5 years ago.
He didn't rip me off as bad as Ken Reaser(aircondtools),he got me for $150.00.He won't even return phone calls anymore,that was 5 years ago.
Merkava_4
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My saved searches all look like this:
SNAP-ON RATCHET -brokntool,-garrettsdrygoods,-spaz-stingray
SNAP-ON RATCHET -brokntool,-garrettsdrygoods,-spaz-stingray
I looked at stuff from brokntool too, didn't know he was also bad. thanks
Garage_Mahal
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Snapmom, how do you block a seller other than the method Merkava user?
mkdive
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I got burned on fleabay about a year ago for $300+. seller kept giving me the run around with bogus tracking numbers. Finally I filed a dispute with paypal. I won and was credited the money back. I'm currently experiencing the same thing on a auction I won last Friday. Today I got 3 bogus tracking numbers. The sellar said I should recieve my item this Friday. They asked me if I could leave feedback today. I responded that I will leave feedback when I recieve the item.
Man, that *****. Makes me glad I don't do much ebaying. Good luck
jerk_chicken
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Ebay is really becoming the scammer's paradise. Unfortunately, the resolution through paypal isn't foolproof, either. It's the exception, as opposed to the norm because ebay is painfully behind the scammer's schemes.
Never dealt with the seller, but according to toolhaus.org he actually has 30 negatives and 53 neutrals and 7 withdrawals not the 15 and 28 listed by Ebay. He has half of the total negatives within the last year even though he has been a member since 2002. I think that is rather telling since there is no more fear of retaliatory feedback and buyers feedback can actually be more honest.
Rigmaster
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until something changes.
If you pay using Paypal and you have a dispute with the seller, you have a VERY good chance of getting screwed out of your $$ even if Paypal rules in your favor in a dispute. Paypal's dispute policy is somewhat of a joke, if the seller really wants to keep your $$, they can easily do so. Paypal gives them plenty of notice that the payment is in dispute, leaving the seller plenty of time to clean out their Paypal account and disappear. The only sellers who might be affected by this are those legit sellers who have all of their bank account + Credit card info tied to their PP account- Paypal can and will freeze your Paypal account in a heartbeat in the event of a dispute.
If you have ANY question about the legitimacy of a seller and you're paying through Paypal, make sure to change your "source of funds" to a CREDIT card. That way, if you have any problem, you can go to your Credit card issuer and file a dispute with them, and you are MUCH more likely to get your $$$ back because the CC company will simply issue a chargeback to Paypal and make them deal with getting the $$ back from the seller. Which IMHO is how it should be- Paypal is the one making the $$$$ from all of these transactions and it should be up to them to provide better buyer protection.
I learned this the hard way when I bought a $50 part from a guy on one of the BMW forums I frequent. He was parting out a car and had sold some other stuff to other board members. I sent him the $$ and he never sent me the part. I "won" the Paypal dispute so they gave me everything he had left in his Paypal account...........0.37 cents. Paypal was absolutely USELESS in helping me get any more money back. The guy just abandoned his account and was gone. I asked Paypal for his street address and contact info and they wouldn't even give me that (I was prepared to drop by next time I was in Ohio to see what he had to say in person).
Don't get me wrong, I use Paypal all the time and have had very few problems with them, but they make it entirely too easy for people to scam other people, and I won't take it lying down.
/rant
jerk_chicken
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I had a high end bike frame and parts up on fleabay and got abused by a bidder there. Long story short, no way was I sending him a 1k+ frame the way he was acting. In the end, ebay was useless and still charged us for the two transactions, despite lengthy email proof of him botching the auction under terms that should have gotten him banned.
on top of that, he was one of those guys throwing his military service credentials in there and even threatened to get CID to visit and arrest me, at which point, friends stationed got his contact info and forwarded messages through their superiors about his activities. The last message was that I better have a good lawyer, and I told him "being an American, I hear that just about weekly, and if you want to forward me your attorney's number, I'll contact them directly and forward the information I have". I also offered the same when he said CID and the FBI will be investigating me. I asked for their contacts, so in compliance, I will volunteer my info. Nothing else from him, especially since he was using his military email to do this.
Anyhow, I never recovered the listing fees. The guy paid, but I refused to accept the funds. I should have accepted them one day before the expiration and auto return, just to piss him off, then move, but lucky for him, I am not a scamming ***** like him.
on top of that, he was one of those guys throwing his military service credentials in there and even threatened to get CID to visit and arrest me, at which point, friends stationed got his contact info and forwarded messages through their superiors about his activities. The last message was that I better have a good lawyer, and I told him "being an American, I hear that just about weekly, and if you want to forward me your attorney's number, I'll contact them directly and forward the information I have". I also offered the same when he said CID and the FBI will be investigating me. I asked for their contacts, so in compliance, I will volunteer my info. Nothing else from him, especially since he was using his military email to do this.
Anyhow, I never recovered the listing fees. The guy paid, but I refused to accept the funds. I should have accepted them one day before the expiration and auto return, just to piss him off, then move, but lucky for him, I am not a scamming ***** like him.
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm a little confused here. If you may get scammed from a seller when using Paypal, what is the alternative. If you send them a MO you are REALLY screwed if they decide not to ship it. What am I missing here?
Rigmaster
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Trust.
Seriously, I've found that 99.9% of people I deal with are more than honest. It's that 0.01% though that can really give you a problem.
You can get screwed every time you turn around, the key is to be as careful and aware of what's happening and try to minimize the likelihood of getting screwed. If you want to completely eliminate any chance of being screwed, you'll have to do all of your transactions face-to-face, and even then you could end up getting screwed.
Knowing how people get ripped off and how sellers rip people off is very important knowledge to have to help keep from being one who gets ripped off.
As I said above, the way Paypal operates right now it's not that hard for a "seller" to rip off a buyer who sends them money on good faith. If you have ANY doubt about the seller, make sure to use a major credit card to "fund" the payment- at least that way you have a bit more in the way of buyer protection - the CC company in general is on the side of the buyer from the start, it's up to the seller to prove that they held up their side of the bargain before the CC company will deny a buyers claim.
On the other hand, I've heard of sellers getting scammed by bogus buyers using the Credit Card "chargeback" via Paypal. The seller sells the item, receives the $$ via Paypal, the seller ships the item, buyer gets the item but then files a chargeback through their Credit card company claiming they never got the item- CC company reverses the charges on Paypal so Paypal ***** the $$$ out of the Seller's Paypal account. And there's not a whole lot you can do to stop it. Once again though, the problem as I see it is with Paypal and how they handle these things. This also reinforces the need for you as a seller to be sure to ship everything you sell with a TRACKING number. If you just stick something in an envelope and mail it first class or parcel post with no tracking, you are leaving yourself open to losing your item AND the $$ you were paid for the item.
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Oh ok, I think I get your point now. You weren't saying not to use Paypal per say, just that you need to be aware of the fact that you're not as protected as they would have you believe. Thanks for the clarification and suggestions given.
BTW, I buy/sell/trade on this board all the time and have had nothing but honest dealings. I have had a couple of issues as a buyer (broken, missing, etc.) but each time it was dealt with swiftly and honestly by the seller. Things happen sometimes, so what counts is how the seller treats you after the **** hits the fan.
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jerk_chicken
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I'm also part of the WatchUSeek watch collector's forums. Those admins kind of let that selling area operate on its own with little oversight for so long that the scammers figured it out and overtook the place. I've made mentions of my criticisms and was only met with arrogance and of course, users wanting to **** up to the management and become mods by taking their side.
Unfortunately, that site should be used as an example of how to not run a selling area. It's a free for all there and people have been out thousands on transactions. Not like the management can help with this much, but they can act faster, or make things more difficult. They waited months before they acted on the scams there.
Unfortunately, that site should be used as an example of how to not run a selling area. It's a free for all there and people have been out thousands on transactions. Not like the management can help with this much, but they can act faster, or make things more difficult. They waited months before they acted on the scams there.
mkdive
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Well in my dealing of getting screwed by an ebay seller, it looked like the seller was doing it to 10+ people other than me at the same time. The seller had 80 some odd postive feed back for 5 or so years. They were posting all of these auctions and not actually sending the items. In my case paypal sided with me in the dispute. Paypal actually reimbursed me back, I didnt get my money back from the seller (got it from paypal)! I wonder if anything ever happens to these scammers? Does LE get involved on these smaller sized scams? Or do they just end up making a quick couple grand and get their ebay account suspended only to open a new one and do it all over again? I HOPE NOT!
If you do have a problem with a transaction, keep all of your emails to the buyer/seller going through the ebay email, (dont email from private to private emails). that way it is much easier for ebay and payapal to look at the emails back and forth. And keeps it a little more official and more documented.
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If you do have a problem with a transaction, keep all of your emails to the buyer/seller going through the ebay email, (dont email from private to private emails). that way it is much easier for ebay and payapal to look at the emails back and forth. And keeps it a little more official and more documented.
my .02
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I had a seller flake out on me and not deliver the goods. I filed my dispute too late (Stupid me.) eBay (not a Paypal logo) sent me an email with a coupon code for more than I lost to the seller even though I screwed up the dispute. They are trying something to regain buyer's trust.