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So, I think the boards and battens, door and trim, and fascia are all complete on the pumphouse. Even started the shingling today but stopped to check on my process. . . .
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NTTSGT, help me with this:
"Wow that was fast, here but now the spammer is gone." I don't understand the message in your last post here.

If it weren't for the accumulator tank, the shed WOULD be big enough for a two-holer. However, I would NOT want to dig in this pit gravel deep enough for a functional outhouse!
 
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A little rain kept me from finishing the shingles on the pumphouse. I'm still not pleased with my process. One resource suggested waiting until all shingles are up to cut the edges. I tried that with a few shingles and found I was trying to cut through two and three layers at once -- couldn't do that in a straight line and almost couldn't do it at all! Another source suggested that a hook knife works better than a straight edge. Still couldn't get a straight cut. The best I've been able to do is measure within a 1/2" or so and cut on a table before nailing on the roof. Also, the 6-inch stagger that was recommended created a roughly 4-inch shingle at the other end. I'm going with a 4-inch stagger which seems to be OK. As somebody said, this IS a pumphouse.

Since the rain curtailed my work on the pumphouse, I decided to see if I could back the car hauler into the workshop to install a winch. I was successful!! However, the clearance was a little closer than was comfortable and I got weak in the knees when on the last couple of feet of movement I found I was under the center beam and close to a couple of suspended lights. I had not noticed I was that close, but fortunately they all cleared the trailer. It was pleasant to be able to work under the trailer without wallowing in the mud.

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Looks like you did a fine job of backing it in there ! How are you going to mount/ install the winch ? I have Mine on the side and use a pulley turn buckle. on a center mount floor flip up tie down.. Not sure if you understand that. I could take pics of it. I have cabinets in the front of the trailer..
 

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I'd like to see that winch installation as well, please. I have a 24' car hauler and a 12 volt winch (NIB) to install at some point. I was actually considering buying a tongue box to mount the winch, battery, and storage straps, hooks, etc.. Straddle mount the winch over the center beam of the tongue, drill holes in the back of the TB and front of the trailer wall and mount the fair lead roller assembly at the front of the trailer box. I would also have holes through both for the winch control unit so I could stand inside the box and winch away. I haven't seen this done anywhere and I'm wondering if I would gain anything from doing it this way aside from gaining a couple of feet of winching space. Seeing your installation would be helpful in my situation.
 
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Vern, No cabinets in my trailer (yet!?). And believe it or not, I understand how you've mounted yours. That's a great way to have a center pull but not have a winch right in the middle of the floor!

My winch was a sale item at Northern Tools or somewhere a few years back. It's supposed to be "portable" and even comes with an attachment to drop over a trailer hitch/ball. The electricals are alligator clips on rather small wires -- so I suspect the load is pretty small AND it may take forever to winch a car onto the trailer if it's geared really low. My intended approach is to mount a 3X3" piece of 1/4" angle iron to the tongue which extends under the trailer 6 feet or so. I'll bolt the angle iron to the tongue snug against the floor and drill holes up through the floor for the winch. The idea is to be able to remove the winch pretty easily.

I didn't intend for this to be a "recovery" trailer; I wanted to use it for my restored 442's. However, when a son calls in need of Dad's help, you make the arrangements. And, as I said, I've had the winch for a few years so I guess I figured something like this would come up!
 
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Here is a view of the interrupted shingling due to rain yesterday. Picked up my shears from the old garage today to try them out for cutting the shingles. It may take a while, but I think it will give me a straight edge.
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Spent most of the day running errands and installing the winch in my car trailer. I think this will work:
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The assortment of bolt sizes is due to the fact that the scrap piece of angle iron a buddy dropped off already had a couple of holes in it. I tried to take advantage where they lined up with holes in the winch! I'm still hoping I can make this a temporary installation. Maybe I can spot weld the bolt heads to the backing plate/angle iron.
 
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I think I'll put cabinets in the workshop before the trailer! BUT, I certainly gave some thoughts to the slotted cabinet when I mounted the winch today. . . . Some day, maybe.
 
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OK since you're another "oldguy", I won't object too much to your wisecrack! I guess I did use cement to ensure that the concrete wall stuck together!!?! And, don't forget, we use a few terms in the USofA that are different than New Zealand. I know what a "bonnet" is on a car, but I probably wouldn't use the term. . . . Nice Lincoln, by the way. You're right on with it's your car and you'll do what you want. Good on ya'. Oops, is that Australian and not New Zealand? And the van? You're a glutton for punishment, but looks like fun. Good luck.
 
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Got the front part of the roof shingled today.
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I tried the shears for cutting the extra off the shingles already on the roof. The first 2 inches was great, then the shingle got in the way. Stopped by Northern Tools to get a trailer brake battery and asked about a saw blade to cut asphalt shingles. They recommended going to Lowes since they sell shingles! At Lowes "Pro" desk everyone said the only way they knew was to use a hooked knife. I told them I had tried that and wasn't strong enough to pull the blade through two or three layers of shingles. On the way out, I stopped by the Dremel Multi-Max display, and lo and behold there was a blade for carpet, vinyl, shingles, etc. It was a combination hook blade and push blade. For $20, I'm not sure too many professional roofers are going to use it, but it sure helped me out!!

I wish I could say I stopped when I ran out of light. Actually, it was getting a bit dark, but I really ran out of arm. I couldn't reach any higher from my two-ladders-and-a-board scaffold -- and I'm not sure how I want to do the last three rows or so. . . . Oh well, it's just another challenge.
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Just discovered the "Bailey's Barn Build" and am IMPRESSED. Wow, the layered construction surely will make heating and cooling that massive space a lot easier.

Reminds me of job I had in high school trimming Christmas trees and owner built a nice barn for X-mas tree sales. Tree farm grew and so did purpose of barn which now sold pecans, decorations, etc. along with wagon rides w/ Santa out to pick a tree. Barn further added to community through parties, weddings, and now choral music. Now country tree farm is surrounded by surburban housing developments, yet has kept it's quaint barn character.

Love the look of pump house as it adds distinct barn look to property. Curious once you decided to close it in, did you consider locating your air compressor out there so it would be in sound-deadening structure? For the roof, did you put down tar paper before the asphalt shingles? I've always overlapped asphalt shingles 1/2" over drip edge, and always cut each one as installed by cutting upside down on scrap lumber with carpenter's square as a straight edge. With sharp utility knife you get nice clean cut.

For the "waste water system" you have now, any consideration to make one of those tanks a digester that you could harvest the methane to burn for your heating needs, or burn in genset to produce electricity??

Keep pics and progress coming. We all are loving it!
 
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Thanks CNG! I don't intend to let this thing develop as far as the Christmas tree business did (wow!), but we do plan to have a "belated barn raisin'" in the New Year. All th sub-contractors and the builder (plus several friends that helped with advice and "some" manual labor) are invited for BBQ and live Bluegrass.

Nope, didn't put down any tar paper; figured for a pumphouse it wasn't that bigga deal. I've started cutting the shingles as needed BEFORE installing on scrap wood like you suggest. That works OK, although I must admit it has not been "cabinet quality" work on my part.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about possibilities of waste water system. I'll have to check into that. For right now, I just hope it works. I still don't have the operating manual from the guy that installed it. . . .
 
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Today we successfully retrieved a "classic" VW Vanagon for my son. After installing the winch, we didn't even need it. We parked the trailer a bit downhill and rolled the van into the trailer. Sometimes I wonder what dad's will do for son's. I'm not sure WHAT he was thinking when he purchased this thing:
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I didn't anticipate the van being so tall. Although I measured it roughly by where my head came to in the trailer and on the van, I missed an inch or so that the rear was higher than the front. We had to deflate the rear tires to get it in:
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Although it was not freezing cold, it makes a person wonder (again?!) when he's wearing jeans and a jacket and the son shows up in shorts and T-shirt!
 

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OK since you're another "oldguy", I won't object too much to your wisecrack! I guess I did use cement to ensure that the concrete wall stuck together!!?! And, don't forget, we use a few terms in the USofA that are different than New Zealand. I know what a "bonnet" is on a car, but I probably wouldn't use the term. . . . Nice Lincoln, by the way. You're right on with it's your car and you'll do what you want. Good on ya'. Oops, is that Australian and not New Zealand? And the van? You're a glutton for punishment, but looks like fun. Good luck.

Cheers mate. All good here.
Just like to have a bit of fun on here at times.
Some people get right ****** about it. ;)
Must be their poor self esteem.. haha
 

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Ok here my winch :)

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oldguy -- I agree, I can really get a kick out of the comments on this forum. Some of these guys have a sense of humor that rates right up there with their garage! I enjoyed your 'crack about the cement.
Vern -- do you cross your tiedowns? I see you have one in the D-ring. The VW shifted to the right a bit on me and I wonder if I should have crossed the straps over. Frankly, I have enough rachets to put in straight AND crossed.
 

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Yes I do.. the car that in there just for storage for the winter.. needed to get in out of the garage so I had room for the others..
 
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NTTSGT, help me with this:
"Wow that was fast, here but now the spammer is gone." I don't understand the message in your last post here.

All part of the SPAM be gone service :thumbup:.

Sorry, there was a spammer posting in your thread. I checked his other lionks to make sure it was a spammer. Before I could finish reporting the posts, he was gone. A job well done to the GJ staff. :thumbup:
 

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Vern -- do you cross your tiedowns? I see you have one in the D-ring. The VW shifted to the right a bit on me and I wonder if I should have crossed the straps over. Frankly, I have enough rachets to put in straight AND crossed.

On my open trailer, I don't criss cross the front straps, but I do the rear.


Sorry I'm late to the thread. When I get to the end of a course of shingles, I measure and cut the shingle. I've tried the "hangover method" and couldn't cut them straight. I also thought it was a PITA.

It works out fine for me but sometimes you do need to watch where the end of your shingles are at to get the correct staggering offset. I have (before on ocassion) added a full shingle at the end and worked back filling in the gap. Once it's done, you can't see it and nobody is going to complain about it. If they do, tell them to get their *** up on the roof and do it. :thumbup:
 
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Thanks for tie-down comments. I have another 180 mile trip to deliver the Vanagon to its "home" and I'll criss-cross at least one end.

NUTTSGT -- I never noticed any spamming, so I was confused. Like you said, the system seems to work. AND, I agree: if anyone wants to complain, they can do it themselves -- shingling, that is. Hope to finish up this afternoon, weather permitting.
 

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Sorry, there was a spammer posting in your thread. I checked his other lionks to make sure it was a spammer. Before I could finish reporting the posts, he was gone. A job well done to the GJ staff. :thumbup:

We usualy hit them very quickly once we know about them. You would be sursprised how many we get here :(.

NUTTSGT -- I never noticed any spamming, so I was confused.

No most miss it as we nail them and delete them as fast as we can.

Have just updated the spam information
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Sorry to hijack the topic but this may help a few.

Now lets get back to Bailey Barn :thumbup:.
 
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Thanks for information and effort, HOTFR8!

The pumphouse roof is FINISHED! Again, I'll never be hired as a cabinet maker, but I think the pumphouse will remain reasonably dry. I had about 2" of shingle above the peak on the front side that I cut off, then I added one more row of shingles. I put the last few rows on the rear from the FRONT using the cushion I had seen the roofing crew use for "sure footing" over the peak as I leaned across. I still may have a couple of bruises in the morning, but more of that later.

I folded over the front row under the last row from the rear, folded over the last rear row, and THEN added the ridge shingles. All the Internet info I found was working with standard three-tab shingles. Well, of course, the wife would have nothing of that -- we have to have architectural shingles. The problem with that is that in places the shingles are two and three layers thick. That's what I could not cut with a hook knife. I measured my shingles at just about 39", divided that by 3, and got 13". So, I cut left-over pieces and two full shingles into 20+ ridge pieces about 13" wide. Then I did the angle cut on the "non-architectural" part of ridge pieces that all the Internet resources suggested (to keep corners from poking out). I could do that with a hook knife since it was only one layer. I felt like a real roofer at times!
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As I was installing the ridge pieces the occasional drizzle became a steady but light drizzle. I was determined to finish up the job (don't tell my wife; I believe I mentioned she was on her Christmas trip) and since I was straddling the peak, I didn't feel too unsafe. On the other hand, the roughly 90 degree angle at the peak created two problems. First, the ridge pieces didn't want to fold over easily and some cracked a little. That shouldn't be a problem since there are two more layers of shingles underneath. Of course, one of the reasons I folded over the last front AND rear rows was to give a more rounded peak; to no avail. Second, sitting on that peak was a bit uncomfortable. We will see whether I have more soreness from leaning across the peak to finish the rear rows or sitting on the peak for the ridge shingles.

You'd think this finishes up the pumphouse -- it's been going on long enough -- but I might try some of that Great Stuff foam insulation on the cracks from the pieced together insulation and I want to extend the hose through the wall to an outside bib. Oh, and maybe I should have a door latch that I can use when I want the door closed but not locked. Always something.

I was pleased to put one of my "10 Favorite Cars" in the workshop. It's a 1991 British Racing Green Special Edition Mazda Miata. Not a show car, but one that's fun to drive. The design process for this thing to mimic 50's and 60's British sports cars is amazing.
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This message is from "the wife who is on her Christmas trip" and wants to brag about her husband! Wow...good job on finishing the pump house! It looks great. Now, to find some hanging baskets this spring!!
 

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"Now, to find some hanging baskets this spring!! "

No need to search for those; hubby has all those end-cuts of wood to make as many hanging baskets as you'd ever want.

(I'm always willing to 'volunteer' your hubby's spare time! lol)
 
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Come on guys (and gal), you're RUINING this Garage Journal thread. But I must admit, I've gotten a chuckle or two out of the comments. While it will be "over my dead body" before anyone hangs baskets off of my "cute" pumphouse, I am still trying to find uses for all that scrap lumber.
 

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This message is from "the wife who is on her Christmas trip" and wants to brag about her husband! Wow...good job on finishing the pump house! It looks great. Now, to find some hanging baskets this spring!!

"Now, to find some hanging baskets this spring!! "

No need to search for those; hubby has all those end-cuts of wood to make as many hanging baskets as you'd ever want.

(I'm always willing to 'volunteer' your hubby's spare time! lol)

Come on guys (and gal), you're RUINING this Garage Journal thread. But I must admit, I've gotten a chuckle or two out of the comments. While it will be "over my dead body" before anyone hangs baskets off of my "cute" pumphouse, I am still trying to find uses for all that scrap lumber.

You might as well get to building them and get it done !!...Mr. flower pot!

Go on, DO IT (seriously). I think it will add to the pump house. :thumbup:
Adding to that you have to keep the lady happy ;).
 
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Took an overnighter to Charleston and when I got back, the Memtech brush seals for the sliding barn doors had arrived. I don't think that was even two days in shipment, if you don't count the weekend. Anyway, it surprised me. I was cleaning the front door to please the wife and noticed the box. It might have been there since Saturday, for all I know!

I drilled a few holes in each of 4, 6-foot mounting strips and then gave them a coat of satin black spray paint to match other pieces of hardware in the workshop. I'm still not real sure how to place the brushes with respect to the concrete (not cement) floor. I recall Memtech saying something like 1/4" overhang/interference.
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Only one of the brushes is showing.

Oh, here's a good question: How many vehicles does it take to deliver a beat-up Vanagon? Five:
1 -- tow vehicle
2 -- trailer
3 -- CJ-7 (1978 Golden Eagle, by the way) to pull the Vanagon out with almost flat tires to allow pop top to clear the top of the trailer door
4 -- Honda to plug air compressor in to pump tires back up on Vanagon
5 -- Vanagon (OK, so that might be cheating, but. . . )
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There's nothing like a good old-fashioned car retrieval road trip to make a man feel ALIVE again!

Hopefully, your son will start a thread on its restoration; sort of like carrying on the tradition.





P.S. - How are those 'hanging baskets' coming along? lol
 
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Made a little headway on small chores at workshop today. Filled in around utilities "ditch" and spread a little more winter rye. Here's "before and after", sort of:
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Installed Memtech brush seals on the bottom of a pair of sliding doors. I was pleased with my first effort (right door as you look at them), but to get the ~1/4" interference that Memtech recommended (I called today), I had to slide the left hand bracket down over a piece of angle iron along the bottom of the door. This created a bind between a guide roller and the bottom of the door. The bracket also tended to catch one of the battens when the door was opened. I spaced the roller out enough to avoid the batten, but the binding (bottom to roller) is still there. More head-scratching tomorrow to figure the solution.
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OK guys (and gal), you can get off my back and get back to the serious things for which this forum was intended ;)
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Idea . . . how about hanging hummingbird feeders on either side of flower pot?

I'd sure like Mr Hummingbird . . . . rather than Mr Flower Pot . . LOL!!
 

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I didn't see the crescent cut out of the door. lol

The flowerpots look good and I'm sure they make the Mrs. happy, but they don't look like they were made from end-cuts of lumber!?! I'm sure you'll have them made come Spring, along with that TRELLIS to dress up the pump house even more. I mean you've got half the trellis built already with those vertical battens. All that's left is to fasten the horizontals and you're done! She'll be very pleased. Remember, as Red Green says - "If the women don't find you handsome, they can at least find you handy."
 
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