hewey
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The steps and deck project looks like a meaty project, but sounds like you're on top of things. The recycled cedar and cast concrete outdoor kitchen looks really interesting, looking forward to seeing more pics.
Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT Bauhaus this house
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Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.
Hey there.
To continue on the outdoor kitchen project...
I'd always wanted a nice outdoor kitchen. Didn't know exactly what I wanted it to look like though. My Sister in Texas has a huge, 1000 sf covered outdoor setup with wrap around bar, 3 fridges and a couple grills. A little overkill but was very nicely done! She did entertain a lot.
Instead, I like to have small gatherings for BBQ and beer. Wine might make an appearance, but more likely Prosescco or hard cider. I also like to lounge rather than sit at a bar. And like a 12 hour brisket, I keep it low and slow.
So, when it was decided to build an outdoor kitchen, the KISS method aka Jerry's version of mise en place was employed. All I needed was my gas grill to the left, a wide prep area with sink. A small cooler that could double as beer fridge underneith, room for a charcoal grill on teh right and ample storage for the tools and supplies needed for a good BBQ. The lounging area was already spoken for so the kitchen needed to be right by it and so, this is where it landed.
After framing up the chassis and plumbing the water line then running the electric (both were already in place from the existing deck, just repurposed for this) we ripped the 2x6 boards from the old deck down to 1x1 strips. This was Jo's great idea. We'd done something simlar at the old house and it was the perfect solution here.
Once ripped down they were stained and and attached with screws to the posts with a 1/2" gap between them.
The plan is to park the gas grill on the left and concrete countertops. One with a sink and the other lower to accomodate a charcoal grill on the right.
This would be the first concrete countertop for me. So, per usual, I read a lot and consulted the internets. I've made many molds for fiberglass or carbon fiber parts so I figured, making a mold for a countertop was going to be a cakewalk....mostly.
Mold made and the joints sealed. The release agent was good ol Turle wax. The melamine was from a closet we'd demo'd some weeks before. Recycle! Reinforcement was some short rebar and chicken wire. All in all, it came out about 2" thick. More like 1 1/2". Horseshoes and handgrenades. Bottom line is it was flat on both sides.
After the mold was carefully removed and the countertop flipped over. HEAVY! We got it onto the frame and spent day taking pictures because we'd made our first concrete countertop and didn't break it, or ourselves!
There was a lot of cedar left to use and another counter to pour. Here it is a little closer to finished.
We wrapped up the weekend by getting the rest of the sides done. Gas grill in place.
Bottom shelves and storage next.
To continue on the outdoor kitchen project...
I'd always wanted a nice outdoor kitchen. Didn't know exactly what I wanted it to look like though. My Sister in Texas has a huge, 1000 sf covered outdoor setup with wrap around bar, 3 fridges and a couple grills. A little overkill but was very nicely done! She did entertain a lot.
Instead, I like to have small gatherings for BBQ and beer. Wine might make an appearance, but more likely Prosescco or hard cider. I also like to lounge rather than sit at a bar. And like a 12 hour brisket, I keep it low and slow.
So, when it was decided to build an outdoor kitchen, the KISS method aka Jerry's version of mise en place was employed. All I needed was my gas grill to the left, a wide prep area with sink. A small cooler that could double as beer fridge underneith, room for a charcoal grill on teh right and ample storage for the tools and supplies needed for a good BBQ. The lounging area was already spoken for so the kitchen needed to be right by it and so, this is where it landed.
After framing up the chassis and plumbing the water line then running the electric (both were already in place from the existing deck, just repurposed for this) we ripped the 2x6 boards from the old deck down to 1x1 strips. This was Jo's great idea. We'd done something simlar at the old house and it was the perfect solution here.
Once ripped down they were stained and and attached with screws to the posts with a 1/2" gap between them.
The plan is to park the gas grill on the left and concrete countertops. One with a sink and the other lower to accomodate a charcoal grill on the right.
This would be the first concrete countertop for me. So, per usual, I read a lot and consulted the internets. I've made many molds for fiberglass or carbon fiber parts so I figured, making a mold for a countertop was going to be a cakewalk....mostly.
Mold made and the joints sealed. The release agent was good ol Turle wax. The melamine was from a closet we'd demo'd some weeks before. Recycle! Reinforcement was some short rebar and chicken wire. All in all, it came out about 2" thick. More like 1 1/2". Horseshoes and handgrenades. Bottom line is it was flat on both sides.
After the mold was carefully removed and the countertop flipped over. HEAVY! We got it onto the frame and spent day taking pictures because we'd made our first concrete countertop and didn't break it, or ourselves!
There was a lot of cedar left to use and another counter to pour. Here it is a little closer to finished.
We wrapped up the weekend by getting the rest of the sides done. Gas grill in place.
Bottom shelves and storage next.
Nearly done now.
Sink installed
Gas grill and fridge in place
And while doing this we finished the rail for the stairs. More cedar and recycled wood.
And the gate. This used up the last of the recycled cedar. We actually had to use a plank of new cedar from the deck we're rebuilding on the other side of the house. Not a complete match. Lots of trial and error with the stains we had. Hard to match 50 year old, weathered wood with what's out today. But, good thing we bought extra!
Finished just in time for this to show up!
Here it is with everything in place. I'm very happy with how this turned out. I plan to use this year round. Oh yeah, I'm a 365, 24x7 griller, bbq'r.
Thanks again for coming along.
Sink installed
Gas grill and fridge in place
And while doing this we finished the rail for the stairs. More cedar and recycled wood.
And the gate. This used up the last of the recycled cedar. We actually had to use a plank of new cedar from the deck we're rebuilding on the other side of the house. Not a complete match. Lots of trial and error with the stains we had. Hard to match 50 year old, weathered wood with what's out today. But, good thing we bought extra!
Finished just in time for this to show up!
Here it is with everything in place. I'm very happy with how this turned out. I plan to use this year round. Oh yeah, I'm a 365, 24x7 griller, bbq'r.
Thanks again for coming along.
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wreckdiver1321
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That outdoor kitchen looks tremendous! I have a patio behind my house that is the perfect place to do that, so I may steal some of your methods. I especially like the concrete countertop.
Metallitubby
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Wow.
jbrentd
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Looks great! I never got up the nerve to try concrete countertops on my outdoor kitchen and settled with slate tile.
Jayman17
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Outdoor kitchen turned out great! That recycled wood has a great look with the small sized pieces and the price was right.
Jay
Jay
Please do! Would like to see what you build!
Not knowing how well it would turn out, we were very glad it worked! I'd definitley do it again. Suggest you try it too!
Very pleased with it so far. It works. But I've been told to build another counter....apparently I'm getting something this Xmas that will need the space! So, planning for an extension for the outdoor kitchen. Maybe add an L to it.
But work continues in the garage. The shop space needs some serious organizing and more of the junk needs to be sorted out.
Thanks again for coming along.
jimkinney
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That's pretty good construction compared to my first house. PO built some cabinets in the kitchen using left over concrete form 2x4's, still covered in concrete and the back of the cabinet was the drywall from the next room. I won't start on the wallpaper, that's another story.
Nice house and cars by the way.
hewey
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Yeh that's come out really nice!
Hope everyone had a great Christmas and is planning a safe and fun New Years!
After taking the wall down and then calling the city inspector, he confirmed I do need fire rated doors but the minimum is 20 minute.
I do have a couple smoke/C0 detectors in the garage and I'm looking into a mesh system where if one goes off, they all go off. This way, I'd feel more comfortable with a 20 minute window.
But I'm shooting for 90 minute rating.
Door installer came in today and we discussed the options. He took measurements and found the doors to be odd sizes.
Main door into the garage is 31 3/4" x 81" tall. The door from the garage into the mechanical room is 29 3/4" x 81" tall.
90 minute rated doors would come with steel frames while the 20 minute doors with fire rated wood frames. The installer is working on the quote for pricing, but I've been told that it might be cheaper to go with the 90 minute door. Strange.
The problem with the 90 minute door is the steel frame. If the rough opening height isn't standard, then cutting a steel door and frame down would not be an option. So, we'll see.
For now, I'm finishing the clean up of the space and finding new homes for the old shelves and old junk. When it's done, I'll have room for a work table/bench and space to continue working on the 2002. Looking forward to that!
And if you look close at a couple of the pictures, there are scrap 2x4s and a couple concrete form bits of plywood they used here too! Makes me laugh thinking about how they went about building that wall. I'm okay with recycling materials but dang.
As usual, thanks for coming along. Doors are next.
After taking the wall down and then calling the city inspector, he confirmed I do need fire rated doors but the minimum is 20 minute.
I do have a couple smoke/C0 detectors in the garage and I'm looking into a mesh system where if one goes off, they all go off. This way, I'd feel more comfortable with a 20 minute window.
But I'm shooting for 90 minute rating.
Door installer came in today and we discussed the options. He took measurements and found the doors to be odd sizes.
Main door into the garage is 31 3/4" x 81" tall. The door from the garage into the mechanical room is 29 3/4" x 81" tall.
90 minute rated doors would come with steel frames while the 20 minute doors with fire rated wood frames. The installer is working on the quote for pricing, but I've been told that it might be cheaper to go with the 90 minute door. Strange.
The problem with the 90 minute door is the steel frame. If the rough opening height isn't standard, then cutting a steel door and frame down would not be an option. So, we'll see.
For now, I'm finishing the clean up of the space and finding new homes for the old shelves and old junk. When it's done, I'll have room for a work table/bench and space to continue working on the 2002. Looking forward to that!
And if you look close at a couple of the pictures, there are scrap 2x4s and a couple concrete form bits of plywood they used here too! Makes me laugh thinking about how they went about building that wall. I'm okay with recycling materials but dang.
As usual, thanks for coming along. Doors are next.
Metallitubby
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Oh, check out the Vortexer on the main page of Garage Journal!
Robey5
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I am a fan of the MCM design/architecture — that is really popular west of here. I am enjoying the ride so far, and appreciate the air-cooled beast for sure. That 2002 looks like it is a pretty deep project, and having done a few projects involving steps/stairs and a landing: I really appreciate the results of your deck/stairs. I really liked the amount of planning it took to get the landing perfect, and it appears that your finish was bang-on!
kjdhawkhill
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Totally in for the follow @Klokwerk.
I'm not a huge fan of MCM [@Robey5] (particularly in single family residential), but I appreciate it, and appreciate it far more when the owner both appreciates and tries to modernize within similar design parameters. Obviously, Klok's garage door is "only" a garage door, but it fits very well, particularly that its a 2010+ factory door. I can't wait to see the rest of Klok's corrections and updates.
I'm not a huge fan of MCM [@Robey5] (particularly in single family residential), but I appreciate it, and appreciate it far more when the owner both appreciates and tries to modernize within similar design parameters. Obviously, Klok's garage door is "only" a garage door, but it fits very well, particularly that its a 2010+ factory door. I can't wait to see the rest of Klok's corrections and updates.
So, before the year ends, I want to say that this site and forum has been a blessing. To the many people who share their experience and knowledge, thank you!
My wallet on the other hand does not....looking right at you guys talking about Race Deck/SwissTrax, metal lathes and bench milling machines. Yeah, you guys! Happy New Year!
My wallet on the other hand does not....looking right at you guys talking about Race Deck/SwissTrax, metal lathes and bench milling machines. Yeah, you guys! Happy New Year!
cdnc
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What a great project!!
WAKman
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Really cool house, and it's fun to see you and your wife doing the work together. My wife and I have done a fair amount of painting together over the years. I have an air cooled 911 and a BMW, but mine's an E30, so we have similar taste in several things.
Thanks! We've become quite the home remodeling dynamic duo!
I also have a love for e30's. One of the best cars I ever owned was a '89 e30 M3. To this day, the best driver's car I've driven. Fit me like a glove.
I've had other e30's like a 325e and 325is. But the M3 was the bee's knees.
As for cars in general, over the years I've followed the 'rule of 3'. As in that's how many cars I could fit in the garage, so that's how many I could have at a time. LOL. This meant at any given time I'd always have a utility vehicle, a fun car, and a project car.
It's Jan 2nd which means Jo and I are at it again....
The kitchen of this house was always a simple thing. Galley style, with cabinets and counters made from inexpensive and readlily available materials. But over the years and numerous remodels, the kitchen, like the garage, needs work.
So, the garage work space needs to be finished asap to make room for cabinet building and such.
2022 is looking to be a busy year!
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M-technik-3
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Nice 02, not sure how committed to an automatic you are but you could give the guys at SCR https://www.facebook.com/sportscarrestoration They do tons of 02's and are well known on 2002FAQ.
Cool house, I have always like the NW and how the houses tend to blend in with their surroundings vs just cutt everything down and plunk in a house. The 964 is cool as well.
Cool house, I have always like the NW and how the houses tend to blend in with their surroundings vs just cutt everything down and plunk in a house. The 964 is cool as well.
My Porsche was named Helga, my VWs were Fritz, Willie, Otto, and Adolf. I thought naming cars was just a Southern thing.
Just bought a new Honda HR-V -Harvey. Metallitubby
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OK that explains it. People up here think it's strange to name your car but have no problem giving their boats funny names.
Yankees -Bless their Hearts.
Trapps
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My motorcycles have names.
If I ever buy a boat worthy of a name, it'll be "ANCHOR MANAGEMENT"
I'm from 'that state up north' but technically a midwesterner.
If I ever buy a boat worthy of a name, it'll be "ANCHOR MANAGEMENT"
I'm from 'that state up north' but technically a midwesterner.
Boat= break out another thousand.My motorcycles have names.
If I ever buy a boat worthy of a name, it'll be "ANCHOR MANAGEMENT"
I'm from 'that state up north' but technically a midwesterner.
Tman
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Very cool project so far! Huge MCM fan here as well as a builder. You are treating that house with RESPECT
Homebody
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Congrats on the new place. Interesting and looking forward to following along! Outdoor kitchen is killer also! 
Vette60
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Really like the work that you have done to date. The outdoor kitchen area is a great addition.
The e30 M3 is an awesome car - my cousin has a '89 M3 tucked away in his garage; he has owned it since '92 when he bought it after college. Good investment on his part! I had an '85 325e that I used as my learner for driving stick before my Dad tranferred over the '60 Vette to me. That was fun cart to zip around in and it just cruised on the highway. Love the '89 911 as well. Another cousin has a '92 911 Targa that he bought new. Very nice. They were always the German car family. Many Audis and VWs too - their Dad (my uncle) had a couple of VW Sciroccos that were really fun.
I'm looking forward to following along your adventures here. Take care.
The e30 M3 is an awesome car - my cousin has a '89 M3 tucked away in his garage; he has owned it since '92 when he bought it after college. Good investment on his part! I had an '85 325e that I used as my learner for driving stick before my Dad tranferred over the '60 Vette to me. That was fun cart to zip around in and it just cruised on the highway. Love the '89 911 as well. Another cousin has a '92 911 Targa that he bought new. Very nice. They were always the German car family. Many Audis and VWs too - their Dad (my uncle) had a couple of VW Sciroccos that were really fun.
I'm looking forward to following along your adventures here. Take care.
Hi again,
I got the quote for the two fire rated doors, installed, from Home Depot. OMG. When did doors get so spendy?
I needed to ask Jo twice what the price was? It had to be a mistake.
After asking around, the price for the doors themselves was okay. It was the $500 per door install plus a fee for lead testing. These are wooden doors, with varnish on them. They said the fee was non-negotiable, so I said no thank you and will be doing the install myself.
Anyone else see this kind of thing? Oh, just for two doors, it's going to cost me about $1400. Nuts?
So there's that.
On another topic, there had been mention for a few months that the local PCA chapter was going to start a 'classic' group for just us air-cooled folks. Immediately I was hoping for something like R Gruppe or even Freunde Luftgekühlter Boxermotoren! Either way, great idea!
A meeting was scheduled for 10AM and despite the weather and Covid, we met. The plan was to meet at one of the club members garage and when I heard where it was going to be I got excited.
Over the last couple days, the PNW had gotten a lot of snow. At my place I measured about 12" in a day. Some of my friends around town reported getting more. Plowing of the main arterials and freeway was done, but the neighborhoods and side roads were pretty sketchy. Even with the plowing, there was a lot of ice and packed snow. The roads would be slippery and, in some places, dangerous.
Perfect 911 C4 weather!
I plowed down my street to the main road to get out of the neighborhood and was disappointed there wasn't more snow and ice everywhere else. I really like driving this car in that ****.
At the meeting, there was a good turnout. 20+ members. As I'd mentioned, the meeting was held at a club members garage. I love visiting other people’s garages. That's why I'm on this site. The plan was to discuss new club business, schedule activities and gather ideas for what the new 'classics' group would be about, but I think I spent most of the time checking out the garage!
It was a great big shop. Easily 4 or 5x my garage. There were dedicated areas for specific work stations. It reminded me of the line in my restaurant’s kitchen. There's a distinct broiler, sauté and fry station. Each with their own storage, tools and mise en place. Everything you needed to do the job right there. He had a welding station with table, grinders, power, tanks etc. Then another area for wiring, and so on. Very organized. Unlike my space! LOL
I was taking notes and figuring out how some of those ideas would work in my garage. Baby steps.
As usual, thanks.
I got the quote for the two fire rated doors, installed, from Home Depot. OMG. When did doors get so spendy?
I needed to ask Jo twice what the price was? It had to be a mistake.
After asking around, the price for the doors themselves was okay. It was the $500 per door install plus a fee for lead testing. These are wooden doors, with varnish on them. They said the fee was non-negotiable, so I said no thank you and will be doing the install myself.
Anyone else see this kind of thing? Oh, just for two doors, it's going to cost me about $1400. Nuts?
So there's that.
On another topic, there had been mention for a few months that the local PCA chapter was going to start a 'classic' group for just us air-cooled folks. Immediately I was hoping for something like R Gruppe or even Freunde Luftgekühlter Boxermotoren! Either way, great idea!
A meeting was scheduled for 10AM and despite the weather and Covid, we met. The plan was to meet at one of the club members garage and when I heard where it was going to be I got excited.
Over the last couple days, the PNW had gotten a lot of snow. At my place I measured about 12" in a day. Some of my friends around town reported getting more. Plowing of the main arterials and freeway was done, but the neighborhoods and side roads were pretty sketchy. Even with the plowing, there was a lot of ice and packed snow. The roads would be slippery and, in some places, dangerous.
Perfect 911 C4 weather!
I plowed down my street to the main road to get out of the neighborhood and was disappointed there wasn't more snow and ice everywhere else. I really like driving this car in that ****.
At the meeting, there was a good turnout. 20+ members. As I'd mentioned, the meeting was held at a club members garage. I love visiting other people’s garages. That's why I'm on this site. The plan was to discuss new club business, schedule activities and gather ideas for what the new 'classics' group would be about, but I think I spent most of the time checking out the garage!
It was a great big shop. Easily 4 or 5x my garage. There were dedicated areas for specific work stations. It reminded me of the line in my restaurant’s kitchen. There's a distinct broiler, sauté and fry station. Each with their own storage, tools and mise en place. Everything you needed to do the job right there. He had a welding station with table, grinders, power, tanks etc. Then another area for wiring, and so on. Very organized. Unlike my space! LOL
I was taking notes and figuring out how some of those ideas would work in my garage. Baby steps.
As usual, thanks.
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Metallitubby
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YesssssSSSSssssss!
jbrentd
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slodat
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If you like seeing shops and driving.. you should make the trek over and check out the shop. It's a nice drive and folks seem to enjoy the shop
slik560
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Nice 911. Good luck with the 2002. Classic stuff, there.
LaCorski
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Great project garage, cars and posts! Looking forward to more. Good to see another Washington resident posting here. I need to start posting my garage adventure here as well, been years and still yet to do it. Perhaps a new years resolution. Good luck with it all!
John Timmins
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Tman
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I think I need that book!
PileDriver
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Hello from another WA resident. I'll definitely be following this garage thread. Thanks for sharing. Love the cars!
Thanks for sharing John. From reading about him, your uncle had an interesting career!
I'm looking for this book now.
As for the garage, I've taken another detour. One of the biggest problems with having a small garage and lots of planned projects, is you don't have the space for it!
I ran into this again as I was getting tools out to refinish the floor in the kitchen. To get to my sanders, the shop vac, and hand tools I had to move the engine hoist, engine stand, welder, and the transmission of the 2002 out of the way just to get to these tools. Better organizing will happen soon, but first the floor.
When we moved in, the first thing we said needed to go was this cheap vinyl laminent that was put in the kitchen over oak hardwood flooring.
We were a little worried about the condition of the floor below. Why else would you cover it? Water damage?
Pressing on, we did find a little water damage. But all the floor would need is some refinishing! Guess it was easier to cover than refinish.
So, we spent a day removing the vinyl and then planned how to tackle the glue underneath. It looks like whoever installed the vinyl ran out of glue halfway through the job. One side of the floor has a ton of glue while the other is very light or didn’t have any at all!
Area blocked off because we have critters.
I found a low odor chemical remover and spent another day laying that on and scraping up the melted glue.
The wood under all of that didn’t look bad at all and just needed some TLC.
Kitty seems to approve!
The kitchen itself is pretty small so we hemmed and hawed on whether to rent a floor sander or do it by hand. Let me tell you, we should have rented a floor sander! On day two now of hand sanding it with an orbital is kind of a pain.
Denwood
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I feel your pain as I just refinished our kitchen maple floors. Doing it again, I'd 100% rent three sanders, even for a small floor:
1. Floor Drum sander
2. Floor Finishing sander (pad or orbital)
3. Edge sander.
I was quoted $150 a day or similar for all three and will do this 100% for the rest of the main floor this summer. It took about 8 hours using a random orbital floor sander, (large rotating head with three counter rotating 6" heads), that likely would have been 1-2 with the correct tools.
What's the final finish going to be?
1. Floor Drum sander
2. Floor Finishing sander (pad or orbital)
3. Edge sander.
I was quoted $150 a day or similar for all three and will do this 100% for the rest of the main floor this summer. It took about 8 hours using a random orbital floor sander, (large rotating head with three counter rotating 6" heads), that likely would have been 1-2 with the correct tools.
What's the final finish going to be?
bargainhuntingking
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Really nice lines on that house, including the drive and walkways and use of concrete. The blend of modern influences with traditional American style is subtle. Looks like a great use of that hillside and site. A Gropius inspired house is a treasure.