BK's "what is this?" thread 10/26/23

[Provincial]

The purpose is to allow you to turn sockets with a box or open end wrench. Mostly for places where a ratchet, sliding-T or hinge handle would be too tall for access.

It says so right on the pouch, including diagrams!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It says so right on the pouch, including diagrams!

That was yatg replying to 4.c's original question in post #20, based on just the orphan tool, without the benefit of the packaging.

 

[four.cycle]

okay... very cool... there are at least three or four Craftsman 1/4" drive sets and a mess of singles... still have 8 boxes to to through yet.
thanks!

 

[four.cycle]

@yatg -

Are all three pieces in that set stamped "43303" ??

 

[yatg]

@yatg -

Are all three pieces in that set stamped "43303" ??

Not my set, but that's my guess too. That full set picture was from ebay and the below picture is from the internet. The people selling think they are quite special. $50 and up for the set.

 

[four.cycle]

what have I got here? I'm sure I've seen this animal before:

 

[Provincial]

I don't know what that is, but it looks like a tire tool. The spoon end for working the tire on/off and the curved end as a bead breaker.

 

[RTM]

what have I got here? I'm sure I've seen this animal before:

Here is the brother to your top one, but Google translates it to a Zyl Bar.

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[four.cycle]

^ it's just one unit. those are multiple angles of the same piece.

I can't find anything on "zyl" other than it was the name of an early Russian-made service truck.

"Tire Tool" makes sense, with the flat "tire iron" on one end. The guy who owned this box was working on motorcycles, which I figured out from the stickers he had plastered on the end of the box.
So... I know nothing about motorcycles. Would a guy be able to change a tire with this device?

 

[disston]

Motorcycle tire tool makes sense. There are hundreds of designs for tire changing tools used over the years. That one is not made any more I think. Modern motorcycle tires are more difficult to mount now so not much use any more but there are riders that do do it by hand even so.

I pay a shop to mount my motorcycle tires. And it is a 50 year old motorcycle.

 

[RTM]

it's just one unit. those are multiple angles of the same piece.

That's the most unique view to run thru Google Lens. The rest of them, it could be an Allen Wrench, or a "pipe wrench" (in French) for what Google Lens can tell.

 

[john.k]

Special tool to dismount the lock ring on 1920s car wheel.........probably Goodyear ...............early low pressure /wired bead tyres didnt have drop centre rims ,and used detachable lock rings .......the clincher tires they replaced could be installed by hand ,as they were very flexible and had no wire in the bead.

 

[Provincial]

Found it! Internet Tool Archive Kennedy Quality Tire Tools, page 2. Miracle Tire Remover Set.

https://archive.org/details/kennedy-quality-tire-tools/page/n1/mode/1up?view=theater

 

[3baygarage]

Interesting, each page saying made by Cornwell. That’s cool.

 

[four.cycle]

Thank you, @Provincial!
My brother-in-law sent me an email earlier thinking it might have been a tool to remove railroad spikes - I spent over an hour searching "railroad"!

 

[john.k]

Railroad spike pullers are around 6 ft long ,with a very heavy version of a hammer claw.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Yes. The term is "claw bar", and I cannot imagine performing that task with an 18-inch bar. Obviously that particular brother-in-law never actually worked on railroad tracks.

 

[four.cycle]

Craftsman 43797 1/2" drive RHFT ratchet w/thumbwheel

 

[RTM]

Craftsman 43797 1/2" drive RHFT ratchet w/thumbwheel

The GJ brain thinks Taiwan

43797 site:garagejournal.com - Google Search

 

[four.cycle]

^ THAT was my suspicion. I don't want to list it on ebay as "Made in U.S.A." if it's not.
Thank you.
(I had already Google searched the part number and had looked at some other sites that didn't provide that information. It was a comment about "Stanley made it" that aroused my suspicion.)

 

[RTM]

^ THAT was my suspicion. I don't want to list it on ebay as "Made in U.S.A." if it's not.
Thank you.
(I had already Google searched the part number and had looked at some other sites that didn't provide that information. It was a comment about "Stanley made it" that aroused my suspicion.)

I was down this path 2x recently. Grabbed a few cheap, and researched them, sold them at my GS. Picked up another one, forgetting my lesson, cleaned it up, researched it again.

 

[four.cycle]

^ It's going as part of a package deal I bundled up last night - 1/2" drive SAE stuff is a tough sell - so it's an all-or-none package to get rid of it.

 

[four.cycle]

Well... I guess the buyer is okay with it being made in Taiwan. Just sold it.

 

[Cruzan80]

IIRC, some of them were USA made, and others were Taiwan. This was when Sears started being cagey about where stuff was made ( BF-code Japan, etc). Was one where the markings (or lack thereof) sometimes needed to be inspected closely.

Also believe they were not re-buildable, but Sears would just swap them out for an entirely new ratchet.

 

[four.cycle]

^ This one had NO markings on it other than "CRAFTSMAN" and the part number on the other side, which made me a bit suspicious about country of origin.
Fortunately, it already sold this morning - the buyer is obviously okay with it being from Taiwan.

Now I just have to figure out how to unload the rest of this stuff.
Off for a few days. I'll post the rest of this stuff in "Classifieds" and you guys can pick through it - I just want it out of here. Not going to try to peddle onesie-twosie oddballs on ebay - not worth the time or trouble.

 

[3baygarage]

IIRC, some of them were USA made, and others were Taiwan. This was when Sears started being cagey about where stuff was made ( BF-code Japan, etc). Was one where the markings (or lack thereof) sometimes needed to be inspected closely.

Also believe they were not re-buildable, but Sears would just swap them out for an entirely new ratchet.

I don’t think any of them were made in US, nor any of that type ratchet in any of the many brands with snap ring and push button heads, etc.. Unless they were assembled or not fully made here. That’s just my opinion. I could be way wrong. Some of that style Craftsman are stamped Taiwan while most weren’t, that I know for a fact.

 

[Steven 33]

I don’t think any of them were made in US, nor any of that type ratchet in any of the many brands with snap ring and push button heads, etc.. Unless they were assembled or not fully made here. That’s just my opinion. I could be way wrong. Some of that style Craftsman are stamped Taiwan while most weren’t, that I know for a fact.

There are us made ones not marked usa on the ratchet because they come in a set of usually EE series sockets that do have made in usa marked on them

 

[3baygarage]

There are us made ones not marked usa on the ratchet because they come in a set of usually EE series sockets that do have made in usa marked on them

If you’re talking about the Quick Clean ratchet, that also sold under Proto Challenger with a red decal, I think those are imports as well.

 

[four.cycle]

Anyone want to take a stab at this? No markings on it other than the previous owner's scratching "1-1//8" onto the side of it.
ONE INCH drive, 1-1/8" hex socket. No idea on maker. Obviously very well made.

 

[Stubby1743]

It looks like someone used it to practice their lathe skills and thus removed any original markings.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

One possibility: it was narrowed at the base by turning it down, crudely, cheaply, but effectively, in a few steps, which removed any knurling and markings that might identify it, which us also why the modder marked it with the opening size himself.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Haha! Beer, Stubby!!

 

[Stubby1743]

Great minds think alike.

 

[four.cycle]

really?
makes sense, since it appears more "machined" than it does "stamped" at that end.
not surprising in the least.

now to figure out how to "UN-lox" these goofy Snap-on "Loxocket" sockets that are frozen up.
I have a socket and a U-joint and on both of them that little button on the side seems to be frozen solid with rust.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Heres one i turned down on a brake lathe

 

[four.cycle]

^ All those sockets got a bath yesterday and while cleaning them I noticed that a good many of them have been shaved down at the business end - tapered down to about a quarter-to-a-half-inch below the broached opening.

 

[four.cycle]

The little 3/8" x 7/16" "V-Groove" double-open-end wrench has no markings on it other than the "C" forging mark.

The blackish-looking short offset double-end box wrench (5/8" x 11/16") says "FORGED" on one side, and "IN U.S.A." on the other.

The brighter looking short offset double-end box wrench (5/8" x 11/16) says "CHROME VANADIUM STEEL" on one side, and "MADE IN U.S.A." on the other side.

Any idea who made these?

 

[d42jeep]

Thorsen, Barcalo and I’m not sure about the Chrome Vanadium Steel shorty. Maybe D/I?
Thorsen

Barcalo.
Similar looking D/I shorty.
-Don

 

[four.cycle]

you think?
The little DOE definitely resembles Thorsen, but other than the "C" there's not a mark on it. The dark color makes me think the guy dropped it into a vat of ......? what would make it do that? Boiling out radiators or carburetors?

I thought the middle one looked Barcalo-ish... I even listed it that way.

And you think that bottom one is D/I made too? I was thinking private label maybe... Riverside?

I put 'em all up with a mess of other oddballs.... I didn't think you would have any shortage of those sizes.

Thanks... you confirmed my suspicions...

 

[four.cycle]

This is no doubt a device intended to be used in the kitchen, which is how Indestro first got in business.
So.. what the heck is this thing?

It just sold on ebay a couple days ago. I was really intrigued, but not $30 worth of intriqued.