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A few owners have asked me about making new leg catches, but so far I don't know of anyone who has tried. I'm not sure how the clips get broken but for a careless owner that design is a weak point. I haven't yet heard of a problem with the friction hinges they used starting in 1979. Later they switched to a plastic clip, and it was back to breakage.
As they get crusty or rust, they get stuck and then I suspect the typical owner just kicks the legs and bends the clips.
It wouldn't be hard to bend some new ones up out of annealed spring steel, but getting them heat treated after forming... well I don't have the skills or oven for that.
 
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As they get crusty or rust, they get stuck and then I suspect the typical owner just kicks the legs and bends the clips.
It wouldn't be hard to bend some new ones up out of annealed spring steel, but getting them heat treated after forming... well I don't have the skills or oven for that.
Initially you said some of your catches are broken, which I have seen a couple of times and which is a real problem. If they're simply bent, they can probably be fixed—if you have some patience. Starting from some advice from an owner here, I've successfully rebent a couple myself, and I illustrate the basic idea on my web site:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/leg-clip-repair.html
 

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Initially you said some of your catches are broken, which I have seen a couple of times and which is a real problem. If they're simply bent, they can probably be fixed—if you have some patience. Starting from some advice from an owner here, I've successfully rebent a couple myself, and I illustrate the basic idea on my web site:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/leg-clip-repair.html
I saw that page, thanks!
I managed to bend 2 to shape, but they aren't very springy and are pretty rusted.

Do you know, will type 2 springs fit properly on a type 1? If they do, buying a cheap type 2 might be the best fix...
 

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Just scored a Type 1 for $20 bucks! Some of the spring leg catches are broken and there is some surface rust, but seems otherwise great. The tops have been replaced too.
You may find (if you haven't already) that the standard Workmate dogs don't fit the holes in the top. First of all, the 79-001 Type 1 was the only Workmate that had 3/4" holes rather than the standard 20mm holes found on all other Workmates. Second, many owners who make new jaws don't have 20mm drill bits, so they use a 3/4" bit instead. (Some use a 13/16" which makes the holes a little large.) If you want 3/4" dogs that have a strong resemblance to the black original Black & Decker ones, I can recommend some I found a few months ago—the Powertec 71037. You can read about them at my web site:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/replacement-swivel-grips.html
 

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Do you know, will type 2 springs fit properly on a type 1? If they do, buying a cheap type 2 might be the best fix...
I haven't examined the clips closely with that in mind, but my impression is that the clips are the same on the Type 1, 2, 4, and 6. (The friction hinge came in during late production of the Type 6.) The part diagrams on my Documents page have the part numbers, so you could see if they are the same.
 

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I haven't examined the clips closely with that in mind, but my impression is that the clips are the same on the Type 1, 2, 4, and 6. (The friction hinge came in during late production of the Type 6.) The part diagrams on my Documents page have the part numbers, so you could see if they are the same.
I'll do that... checking...
By the part numbers the spring should be the same on the 1, 2 & 4. (The 6 appears to have different part numbers for both the spring and leg.)
I note that the clips on my type 2 are painted, and thus in much better condition than the ones on my type 1.
 

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Wow, 58 pages of enthusiastic B&D Workmate chatter! Who would have believed it?
I have had a couple of them, (UK) an early black one bought in the late 70's or early 80's, which I probably sold for a song, I have a vague notion that I'd stopped using it anyway for some time but it's so long ago I can't recall the reasoning.
The other I've had for years, a blue 2 level, ply top. I have no idea what model it is, or until I looked that there are sooo many variants. It stays in my work van & I find it very useful, so as a result it's a bit rough & knocked about.. A while back I managed to saw the grooved face / nose off one of the jaws & also a bit off the end. That is busy jobs being rushed to get done. (& sloppy work practices!) I made a new set of ply tops for it years ago but never fitted. (I recall finding it impossible to undo the fittings but haven't looked at it since) Might have to have another go since I find the jaws less functional without the groove on that side. I could of course just put a new groove in.
I strongly wanted an original aluminium model after seeing one my workmate had but they seem to fetch quite high prices here. In the end, they are just a tool & to my mind don't justify silly prices, although that said, I do like originality in design. I suspect that the steel ones may actually be a better bet, having seen an alu' one with broken frame. Steelies usually are just missing leg catches & top locking side springs, both easily solvable.
The particle or MDF board tops on later workmates were a retrograde step. OK if kept dry I guess but quality ply is so much better.
 

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Wow, what great luck. I scored 4 perfect flat spring clips for the legs from a seller on eBay. He hadn't listed them but he was selling the legs.. so I wrote and asked. And 20 bucks later they were mine. ;-)

$20 for just the clips? I must be doing something wrong. I listed an unused, almost mint Type 2 79-001 for $100 and never even got a nibble.:dunno:
 

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As they get crusty or rust, they get stuck and then I suspect the typical owner just kicks the legs and bends the clips.
It wouldn't be hard to bend some new ones up out of annealed spring steel, but getting them heat treated after forming... well I don't have the skills or oven for that.
You can 3d print the plastic ones--
 

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You can 3d print the plastic ones--
The original metal spring clips, such as those on the Workmate 79-001 that Vintage Veloce has, are not interchangeable with the later plastic ones. The design of the legs on the Workmates after about 1983 is very different so there is no reasonable way to retrofit an early Workmate with those 3D-printed ones.
 

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The other I've had for years, a blue 2 level, ply top. I have no idea what model it is, or until I looked that there are sooo many variants.
Post a photo and we might be able to tell you a little about it. I have several pages at my web site about the earliest UK models:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/uk--european-workmates.html
but don't really cover the all-steel ones much there.
I suspect that the steel ones may actually be a better bet, having seen an alu' one with broken frame. Steelies usually are just missing leg catches & top locking side springs, both easily solvable.
I strongly prefer the ones with aluminum H-frames, but the steel H-frames are more durable for heavy-duty tasks. I have seen many examples of broken cast aluminum ones. For the tasks I do I don't need the extra strength of steel.
 

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$20 for just the clips? I must be doing something wrong. I listed an unused, almost mint Type 2 79-001 for $100 and never even got a nibble.:dunno:
Do you still have it? Were you offering to ship it, or did you require pickup? I have sold quite a few on eBay. It usually requires patience for the right buyer to find it, espcially if you offer it for pickup only.
 

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The clips I sold... I had bunch of other WM parts on Ebay and someone inquired if I had the clips.. I said yeah, but it would require drilling out the rivets, 4 of which you need to drill a hole to even get access to the head, so 8 rivets and 4 holes. Pack them, drive me down to PO, cost of shipping, etc etc... gets to 20$ sharpish.
 

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The clips I sold... I had bunch of other WM parts on Ebay and someone inquired if I had the clips.. I said yeah, but it would require drilling out the rivets, 4 of which you need to drill a hole to even get access to the head, so 8 rivets and 4 holes. Pack them, drive me down to PO, cost of shipping, etc etc... gets to 20$ sharpish.
It was just as much as I paid for the whole workmate that I was repairing... But the clip price was perfectly fair! I drilled out the rivets to remove the old broken ones, and it wasn't trivial, the originals were steel rivets.
Again, thanks! I just folded the legs down 15 minutes ago to use the workmate at the low position.
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Do you still have it? Were you offering to ship it, or did you require pickup? I have sold quite a few on eBay. It usually requires patience for the right buyer to find it, espcially if you offer it for pickup only.

Yeah still have it. I had it on MP, I don't do ebay specifically because I don't want to ship anything. I totally expected it might take awhile, but based on most stuff I've listed being sold within a day or two, I figured it would go fairly quick. I had it listed for a month and I thought at a very good price. :dunno:
 

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$20 for just the clips? I must be doing something wrong. I listed an unused, almost mint Type 2 79-001 for $100 and never even got a nibble.:dunno:
I just bought a 2nd 79-001 for $15 in good usable condition. Seems to be an endless supply of them around here for sub $40.

Truthfully, I looked upon them with scorn - until someone gave me one; then I found out how useful it is to have a nice stable, portable work platform.
 

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Yeah still have it. I had it on MP, I don't do ebay specifically because I don't want to ship anything. I totally expected it might take awhile, but based on most stuff I've listed being sold within a day or two, I figured it would go fairly quick. I had it listed for a month and I thought at a very good price. :dunno:
If MP is Facebook Marketplace, yes, prices are much lower there. There are few serious tool buyers. Marketplace works well for mass-market items, which as you said can sell within days, but not so well for a specialty item like a rare early Workmate in nice condition. To get a good price there you have to be prepared to possibly list it for months before the right buyer finds it. I've sold three 79-001's via Marketplace for $20 to $69, but they were not the most desirable Types or had damage. In contrast, I've sold three nice aluminum H-frame ones on Craigslist recently for $89 to $109. And I've sold four or five on eBay over the last eight years or so for as much as $249.

Just FYI, on eBay you aren't obligated to ship any item. For "shipping", choose "Local pickup only". It limits the pool of buyers, but I have sold a dozen or more items, including Workmates that way, with some buyers driving hundreds of miles to pick them up. One drove from New Jersey to Michigan to pick up a Makita sliding miter saw that I didn't want to pack and ship!
 

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Thanks -- That's the one with the power strip, right? Where would that have been mounted on this one?

This one does have four screw-in feet.
It also has the small surface-mounted bumper feet for sawhorse height, the black bushings on the H-frames, and the one-piece catches for the folded position, none of which are found on the 79-001 Type 4 with cast H-frames. The power strip was mounted on the left-hand side-stay, with a single screw through the hole. The holes in the side stays are not found on the 79-001, only the 79-004.
 

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Yep -- check on all counts. Those one-piece folded-lock catches work quite well, in fact. They latch and release easily and they're positioned at a natural place to find with one's hands.
 

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Yep -- check on all counts. Those one-piece folded-lock catches work quite well, in fact. They latch and release easily and they're positioned at a natural place to find with one's hands.
I have found the one-piece and the earlier two-piece clips both work well. I've seen a few instances where they get bent so they no longer engage and are hard to fix. I recently bought a beautiful Type 1, one of the best I've ever seen, that unfortunately has one bent catch like this that doesn't latch.

Both the one-piece and the two-piece are located in the same spot on the frame, so, as you say, once you learn where they are you can easily find them without having to look. (I find that it's easier to find them by touch when the jaws are closed than when they're open.) I'm sure the simpler one-piece saved Black & Decker some manufacturing cost.
 

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I have found the one-piece and the earlier two-piece clips both work well...

Both the one-piece and the two-piece are located in the same spot on the frame, so, as you say, once you learn where they are you can easily find them without having to look. (I find that it's easier to find them by touch when the jaws are closed than when they're open.)...

For whatever reason, the folded-lock latches on this 79-004 Type 1 seem to be more convenient and work better than my 79-001 Type 1. And the plastic opened-release latches on this 79-004 look and feel kinda cheap, but they work well and are easy to find by touch.
 
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And the plastic opened-release latches on this 79004 look and feel kinda cheap, but they work well and are easy to find by touch.
I don't see any advantage to the plastic latches. Because they are thin, they have too little surface area to be comfortable when I pull on them, and I have more trouble finding them easily. I've never broken one, but other owners have. There is no replacement available. I heard from one owner who tried 3_D printing, but since the thin part of the lever has to flex every time you pull on it, he couldn't find the right material to be strong enough and also have enough flex.

I've made some edits to my page about the 79-004, with better views of the power strip mounting and plastic latches, as well as changes to the text.
 

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I don't see any advantage to the plastic latches. Because they are thin, they have too little surface area to be comfortable when I pull on them, and I have more trouble finding them easily. I've never broken one, but other owners have. There is no replacement available. I heard from one owner who tried 3_D printing, but since the thin part of the lever has to flex every time you pull on it, he couldn't find the right material to be strong enough and also have enough flex.

I've made some edits to my page about the 79-004, with better views of the power strip mounting and plastic latches, as well as changes to the text.

The updates to the 79-004 pix are helpful Thanks for 'em.

Yeah, I can't see how the plastic latches are an improvement -- despite that they work OK on my latest Workmate -- and for long service life they've proven to be a step backwards. And of course B&D went to all metal for later and ongoing production.

In fact, were I to replace them, I'd probably fabricate the latch out of sheet steel or aluminum (although a sheet of a polymer like polypropylene, polyamide (Nylon) or acetal (Delrin) would likely be fine choices). The spring could be made from a strip of spring steel screwed into the edge of the latch. Trying to 3D print a long-lived polymer hinge sounds near impossible.
 
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Interesting discussion about the Workmate. I just joined the forum for this, as well as other tool related discussions. I have two of the original 79-001 Workmates. A Type 1 and a Type 2. What really sets this handy device apart is the built-in vise. I also have a later, all steel model, a 79-006 Type 1. Any information on that one? I can't find anything on the web.
 

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The 79-006 was the smallest of the floor-standing Workmates, with jaws 23" wide, 6" less than the 79-001. It was sold in Canada, but not in the U.S. It's nearly identical to the U.S. model 79-002 from the same period, so I don't know why they had the two different models. The 79-006 was introduced in August, 1977 and sold into the early 1980's.
 

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Ok, thanks for the information. Yes it is noticeably narrower, which isn't bad thing, especially when you can use that or the larger 79-001, depending on what you need one for.
 

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Spotted this at a flea market this morning. Seller was asking $10, but some of the small plastic parts at the back were broken, and I think my two 79-001's are all I need.

It does offer a nice sized work surface though...
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Here is an ad from the Vancouver Sun newspaper, November 30, 1977 for the Workmate 79-006. A bit later it was revised to use round tubular steel for the frame.
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Spotted this at a flea market this morning. Seller was asking $10, but some of the small plastic parts at the back were broken, and I think my two 79-001's are all I need.

It does offer a nice sized work surface though...
The 79-035 Clampdown 35" Workmate was the largest one made, sold from about 1979 to 1983. A very similar, maybe identical, model was sold in the UK as the Workmate 2000.
 
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