Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT British Garage planned
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
Bib Overalls
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Even tried selling my body on a street corner the other night. Raised the grand sum of 27 pence!
In the States you can sell your blood/plasma. I don't think you could fully fund a garage build that way but, in your case, it obviously beats street walking.
Daniel Dudley
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Where there's a will there's a way. Here's to seeing your garage built !
..................back to the world of dreams!
Tomorrow morning an architect should be calling round to have a look at the plot and discuss my requirements. Hopefully this will lead to a set of plans which I can submit to the local council for approval. If approved I'll then get the builder to quote on the various stages of the work so I can plan the finances.
Tomorrow morning an architect should be calling round to have a look at the plot and discuss my requirements. Hopefully this will lead to a set of plans which I can submit to the local council for approval. If approved I'll then get the builder to quote on the various stages of the work so I can plan the finances.
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Grizz1963
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Good luck Baz.
Fingers crossed for a great outcome.
Fingers crossed for a great outcome.
chevazon
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Get saving those pennies !
Architect was due at 9:45am and he rang the bell at.....................9:45am - I do like punctuality!
He had a good look round and we discussed my ideas and some of his initial suggestions. He agrees that we should go for full planning permission to get the extra height we're after.
He also said it's best to plan for installing a pit as the planners get worried about large garages being used as extra dwelling space! So my plans will include a pit - whether it gets built is debatable (cost).
He's going to do some initial sketches and also price compare trusses against steel beams for the roof support (he reckons steels will work out cheaper and give more space inside).
So now I wait for the sketches.
He had a good look round and we discussed my ideas and some of his initial suggestions. He agrees that we should go for full planning permission to get the extra height we're after.
He also said it's best to plan for installing a pit as the planners get worried about large garages being used as extra dwelling space! So my plans will include a pit - whether it gets built is debatable (cost).
He's going to do some initial sketches and also price compare trusses against steel beams for the roof support (he reckons steels will work out cheaper and give more space inside).
So now I wait for the sketches.
51rider
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Bazz, hope it works out for you.
I agree with your architect. Having been looking at materials costs, a metal frame building would seem to offer cost savings over a timber frame.
My wife's uncle has been looking at the options for me & is leaning towards a metal system from Knauf or similar.
I agree with your architect. Having been looking at materials costs, a metal frame building would seem to offer cost savings over a timber frame.
My wife's uncle has been looking at the options for me & is leaning towards a metal system from Knauf or similar.
bazzateer,
It will be interesting to see what the architect comes back with. Don't expect it to be exactly what you had in mind, however. No two people think alike. Be ready to go back and forth a few times to tweak the design until you get it just right.
Have fun - the planning stage is one of the most exciting parts of the whole process.
It will be interesting to see what the architect comes back with. Don't expect it to be exactly what you had in mind, however. No two people think alike. Be ready to go back and forth a few times to tweak the design until you get it just right.
Have fun - the planning stage is one of the most exciting parts of the whole process.
51rider
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Ah yes, I remember, sorry 'bout that. Thanks for the wishes-must have had an effect as I may be able to start my build in a few months instead of next year!!!:
:Whoo hoo!
Fun? That'll come once it's finished!
At the moment I think (hope?) I have enough cash set aside to get it out of the ground with the slab laid. I'll then have to raise some more cash somehow to get the walls up. Then steels and roof need to go on. I'll source some second-hand double glazed windows for the wall facing the house and some old garage doors for the 'drive-thru' doors which will double as my 'man' door.
Last major expense will be the main door - looking at a roller door for that. Once I have plans approved i can get costings from my builder and take it from there.
londonsteve
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All the best to you as you will need it! the Planners are bastards. I'm in Enfield not that far from you and I have just had my seventh application turned down, so far 4 different architects and hours of consultations but it's not what you know it's who you know!! anyway enough of me being a grumpy old man. Good luck to you.
51rider
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Are all the reasons similar for the rejection of the planning application or is a different reason being given every time?
I'm guessing you have gone through the informal chat with the P/O to guage reactions to the proposal before going to full planning? It's not binding on either side & is not minuted but at least it will give you a good indication of what is & isn't acceptable. The architects should at least have done this especially in light of previous application rejections. Again, I'm assuming that you have told each successive sets of architects about the prior applications & refusals?
Without wishing to hijack Bazz' thread if you would drop me a pm, I'm sure I could offer some help. I'm an estates manager for an FE College & have quite alot of experiance dealing with LA planning officers.
My knackered old shed is now in bits and will be burned tonight along with some rotten fence panels and posts and any other old bits of wood etc from the rubbish pile left by the previous owners. Metals and plastics etc will be sorted and taken to the local re-cycling centre. Anything else will go out in the wheelie bin.
Hot work destroying a shed in the full glare of the sun, must be about 80-85 degrees out there and no wind. Going to rest and re-hydrate now then when it gets dark it'll be bonfire time.
Hot work destroying a shed in the full glare of the sun, must be about 80-85 degrees out there and no wind. Going to rest and re-hydrate now then when it gets dark it'll be bonfire time.
51rider
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And very therapeutic it is too!
Last Sunday I took out the last 4 6'x6' fence panels along with a ton of Ivy & other plant detritus. having built the fire, it then pi**ed down & I had to wait until Tuesday evening
Still got one more fence to dispose of but I have a 7 years dead tree to take care of first
Bonfire went well, nearly too well! The wood was bone dry and went up very quickly and things got veeerrry hot! I let it burn for about an hour adding more wood etc until I'd burned everything I could get my hands on. Spent 30 mins with the hose on the pile until it stopped steaming and smouldering then went indoors to watch TV. 30 mins later I checked it and as I expected it had started up again - there was not much left and it was in a safe location so I let it burn itself out.
Today I went out and cleared all the ash away. I then cleared the old shed base and laid a few concrete panels before parking the camper on it. Now the Camper and the Imp can park side-by-side.
Not much else I can do for now. Awaiting initial sketches from the architect.
Today I went out and cleared all the ash away. I then cleared the old shed base and laid a few concrete panels before parking the camper on it. Now the Camper and the Imp can park side-by-side.
Not much else I can do for now. Awaiting initial sketches from the architect.
Got the sketches from the architect. At work at the moment but I'll try to post copies on here later. He's pretty much got it exactly as I wanted so I don't envisage any alterations to his sketches.
I'm going to run them by my neighbours on both sides asap to see if they have any major objections - hopefully they won't.
I'm going to run them by my neighbours on both sides asap to see if they have any major objections - hopefully they won't.
Grizz1963
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Hi Baz,
The Teardrop is done !!
Looking forward to your photo's in the morning.
The Teardrop is done !!
Looking forward to your photo's in the morning.
Right, here's the sketches: Overall size is about 36' x 22'
plan view:
View from alley showing my garage between both neighbour's garages.
View from the house, the ground slopes from right to left.
Side elevation showing construction. Roof line slopes at the house end to minimise loss of light from neighbouring gardens
Alley end showing gable and truss construction.
Plan view of my plot showing the planned garage between the neihgbouring ones and my house. As you can seee, the garage takes up just under 1/2 of the garden space.
plan view:
View from alley showing my garage between both neighbour's garages.
View from the house, the ground slopes from right to left.
Side elevation showing construction. Roof line slopes at the house end to minimise loss of light from neighbouring gardens
Alley end showing gable and truss construction.
Plan view of my plot showing the planned garage between the neihgbouring ones and my house. As you can seee, the garage takes up just under 1/2 of the garden space.
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londonsteve
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Very nice, simple and good looking, can't wait see it finished.
51rider
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Looks really good. The architect has been sensible with the hipped roof design in respect of neighbouring gardens.
I'd just be concerned about the distance between the house and the garage, might be your only sticking point.
Are you going for planning now or leaving it later on as & when funds allow?
I'd just be concerned about the distance between the house and the garage, might be your only sticking point.
Are you going for planning now or leaving it later on as & when funds allow?
Agreed, in fact we did not discuss that when he visited and I was going to suggest it to him but he obviously already thought of it.
It's less than half the original garden which comes within the permitted development rules so hopefully will be OK.
I'll almost certainly be going for planning permission due to the size. I want to get it all approved first before anything else, that will mean further delays of course but I wouldn't want to build it and then have to tear it down again!
Spoke to the neighbour on one side this morning and he didn't even want to see the plans. He's happy for me to do whatever I want. I explained the size and the roof arrangement to allow as much light as possible into his garden and he wasn't the slightest bit bothered. He's an older generation retired Jamaican guy and so laid back he's horizontal. Just got to catch the neighbour on the other side now, he's a car guy so hopefully no worries there.
Grizz1963
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Morning Baz..... Weird how my life is "normal" now that the trailer is basically done. I have spare time to just do nothing, though there is always something.
Did I mention my existing house is sold, and we will hopefully be buying the one mentioned before ? If all goes to plan.
Your plans look great.
Real glad your neighbours are understanding.
I only had one Pratt once who refused to let me take a wall down and replace it with a new one, so I just built next to his..... of course he sold his house before the 7 car garage was done on my side, to another car gys, I lost 24inches, but got my gargae.
Did I mention my existing house is sold, and we will hopefully be buying the one mentioned before ? If all goes to plan.
Your plans look great.
Real glad your neighbours are understanding.
I only had one Pratt once who refused to let me take a wall down and replace it with a new one, so I just built next to his..... of course he sold his house before the 7 car garage was done on my side, to another car gys, I lost 24inches, but got my gargae.
Hmmmm............there may be trouble ahead...............
Tried to speak to my other neighbours on Saturday about the sketches for my garage. They were out so I put copies through the letter-box with a note explaining a few things. This is the car guy by the way.
Anyway, this afternoon I saw his wife and asked if they'd had a chance to take a look at the plans. She said they had and she thought it looked really good. I asked if they had any concerns and she said she didn't really understand but that her husband was concerned about the length.
I'd previously shown him where I planned to build and the size and he said it was fine with him but he was unsure about the wife! Apparently he is going to measure up and see if it's too long for them.
Thing is, the footprint is well within 'permitted development'. It's the height being over 2.5m that makes it necessary for planning permission. If they say they'll object to it I have the option of making it within the 2.5m height (flat roof instead of pitched) and selling the Camper as it won't fit. This way I can just build it without going for planning permission.
Hopefully he'll want a chat about it and we can sort it out.
Tried to speak to my other neighbours on Saturday about the sketches for my garage. They were out so I put copies through the letter-box with a note explaining a few things. This is the car guy by the way.
Anyway, this afternoon I saw his wife and asked if they'd had a chance to take a look at the plans. She said they had and she thought it looked really good. I asked if they had any concerns and she said she didn't really understand but that her husband was concerned about the length.
I'd previously shown him where I planned to build and the size and he said it was fine with him but he was unsure about the wife! Apparently he is going to measure up and see if it's too long for them.
Thing is, the footprint is well within 'permitted development'. It's the height being over 2.5m that makes it necessary for planning permission. If they say they'll object to it I have the option of making it within the 2.5m height (flat roof instead of pitched) and selling the Camper as it won't fit. This way I can just build it without going for planning permission.
Hopefully he'll want a chat about it and we can sort it out.
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Grizz1963
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Good luck with them seeing your point of view, and also the necesity of approving your plans.
Nice job, mine is 18x34. So 22x35 is a nice size - although I think 3 abreast will be no good. Those castor things are a pain. If it were me I'd plan for two in a row along one side, one at the front and a quarter of the garage left for working in. I have 4 cars in mine, which is maxed out. I have a big shed for overspill.
You might find that the actual rule is that you can't cover more than half of the area - in other words you might be able to take the front garden area into account. - that said, a 22x 35ft garage at the back of a UK semi is pretty good going.
Are the back doors big enough to get a car through? I's sometimes handy to be able to park something in the garden - you never know what might turn up.
Good luck with it - Mart.
You might find that the actual rule is that you can't cover more than half of the area - in other words you might be able to take the front garden area into account. - that said, a 22x 35ft garage at the back of a UK semi is pretty good going.
Are the back doors big enough to get a car through? I's sometimes handy to be able to park something in the garden - you never know what might turn up.
Good luck with it - Mart.
If I get the planning permission as per the plans I'll be able to have the Camper in front of one Imp and the Singer behind the other Imp so no need for three abreast.
If I have to sell the Camper it'll leave even more room. There will be a shed in the garden eventually.You're right, however I'll be happy with just under half the rear garden as garage.
Yes, they'll be about 7 feet wide in total. The trailer tent will live in the garden. I'll use one of the doors as my 'man' door for day to day access.
Cheers Mart!
Spoke to the other neighbour as I was leaving for work this afternoon. He thinks my garage will be too long.
I explained where it will come out to which is within a few inches of where I originally said it would. He wants more detailed plans and measurements before he decides whether to 'object' or not.
I did point out, in as non-confrontational a way as I could, that the permitted development regulations actually allow me to build even deeper into the garden;
that I need the ridged roof to allow for storage etc;
that I only need planning permission for the height and not for the area;
that if I fail to get p/p I can drop the roof height to within permitted development rules and still build it the same area
and that if I lose the height I might have to build even further into the garden to create the extra storage I need.
I'll get the measurements he wants and continue to be as reasonable as possible. Wish me luck!
I explained where it will come out to which is within a few inches of where I originally said it would. He wants more detailed plans and measurements before he decides whether to 'object' or not.
I did point out, in as non-confrontational a way as I could, that the permitted development regulations actually allow me to build even deeper into the garden;
that I need the ridged roof to allow for storage etc;
that I only need planning permission for the height and not for the area;
that if I fail to get p/p I can drop the roof height to within permitted development rules and still build it the same area
and that if I lose the height I might have to build even further into the garden to create the extra storage I need.
I'll get the measurements he wants and continue to be as reasonable as possible. Wish me luck!
Gareth
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Have you spoken to your planning officer? I had several objections to my plans (see my thread here) and it had to go before a committee. The planning officer recommended acceptance though and didn't have a problem with any of the garage, which is 25' x 18' with a 16 1/2' ridge height.
In the end none of them even bothered to turn up and object and it went straight through. I am concerned that I might have a few issues with the roof trusses go up, as I'm not convinced some of the neighbours realise it's so high as I doubt they inspected the plans! We'll see...
Good luck