Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT British Garage planned

[Gareth]

Oh, and take a look at this:

http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=585613

Looks very similar to what you are planning, except he did it under permitted development rules. Might be useful.

 

[bazzateer]

Cheers for the link Gareth, had a quick skim through it and it's a nice size. With mine I really want to keep the ridge if I can but as that's the only thing that takes me into the realm of p/p I may have to go flat roof which will piss me off somewhat.

 

[51rider]

Baz,
PD regs were revised in Oct 2009. If you are building within 1M of the boundary wall/line you will need PP irrespective of height. The only exception to this rule are timber sheds. The linked project referred to managed to get it done prior to the revision. I would not have needed to get PP for my replacement garage had I got to DPC height prior to 1st October 2009.

The regs were changed in an effort to stop the proliferation of brick 'sheds' being built that did not comply with building regs and were subsequently being used as living space (albeit denied by the owners).

 

[bazzateer]

That's confusing as the planning portal website re permitted development states quite clearly that if the garage is within 2m of the boundary it cannot exceed 2.5m height. So presumably only something higher will require p/p. We'll see what the neighbour says when I give him the exact measurements (it's actually 12" shorter than I thought).

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/miniguides/outbuildings/outbuildings.html

 

[bazzateer]

I can only find info re non-residential changes for last year. Where did you get that info from?

 

[51rider]

Baz,
That should have read 2008! and should have read 'may' need PP irrespective of height as you will be within 1M of your neighbours building and will then be affected under the party wall/boundary act.

I think my particular circumstances dictated that I did this under PP as it was combined with other works on the property. Yours is not and having re-read your alternatives, you might be OK.

I hope the neighbour is a little more receptive towards the plans. Even if he objects or even if he doesn't the application for PP will still go before a committee & 9/10 times they follow the recommendation of the planning officer.

 

[bazzateer]

Had a chat with the neighbour just now and we have shaken hands on a compromise. I'll make the garage 2' shorter and he's happy, it'll still be big enough for my needs. So 33'5" feet long instead of 35'5" - not bad really when you consider I was originally going to go for just 30'

 

[51rider]

Excellent news

I'd back it up with something in writing that you both sign. A copy for you & a copy for him. No going back on it then.

 

[bazzateer]

No, that smacks of distrust. If the guy's handshake turns out to mean nothing then his life will be miserable from that day on, I'll make sure of it.

 

[Buzz Lightyear]

Oh, and take a look at this:

http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?t=585613

Looks very similar to what you are planning, except he did it under permitted development rules. Might be useful.

Another dubber??

 

[Gareth]

Another dubber??

I thought the username was familiar.

Bazzateer - I'm pleased to hear that you have come to an agreement with the neighbour. Good luck with the application.

 

[bazzateer]

Cheers everyone. Next stage is to instruct the architect to draw up a planning application including revised plans and submit it for consideration.

Then, assuming approval, plans go to Building regs for approval/sign-off.

Then they go to the builder so he can produce a costed schedule of works.

Then as and when I have the cash for each stage the builder will knock it up.

I'm hoping to have all the ground work done and foundations/footings/slab laid by the end of the year. By then I'll probably have run out of cash.

 

[bazzateer]

Planning permission applied for - watch this space!

 

[51rider]

Good luck-hope you get it

 

[Grizz1963]

Good luck, and lets see what next.... dig, cast, errect ?

 

[bazzateer]

Good luck, and lets see what next.... dig, cast, errect ?

I'm still clearing some of the rubbish left by the previous owners. Must've had a dozen fires by now! Anything that can't burn goes in the wheelie bin and anything too big for the wheelie bin is stacked up at the bottom of the garden ready for a trip to the tip.

Dig, cast, erect - is that all? Shouldn't take long then!

Assuming approval, plans go to Building regs for approval/sign-off.

Then they go to the builder so he can produce a costed schedule of works.

Then as and when I have the cash for each stage the builder will knock it up.

I'm hoping to have all the ground work done and foundations/footings/slab laid by the end of the year. By then I'll probably have run out of cash.

Being a public sector employee we are looking at a pay freeze for the next few years and a 25% cut in our budget = no overtime. It was going to be the overtime that paid for this so some things will end up getting sold.......

 

[Dark Horse]

Good luck!

 

[bazzateer]

Cheers Guys!!

 

[bazzateer]

Application received by the Planning Department and letters delivered to neighbours. No date for the hearing as yet.

 

[bazzateer]

Visited my ex-wife's Uncle and Aunt yesterday at their new house (they are very well off!). Anyway, while chatting her Uncle mentioned his 4 car garage with a workshop below. Well, I didn't need any encouragement and demanded to see it. It's freaking huge! He said it was 10m x 6m - so mine should be slightly larger at 10.5m x 6.5m. His is set up with four cars side by side whereas mine will be two cars in front and two behind. But the space is enormous!

 

[bazzateer]

Oh yeah, when I got home I noticed that someone has taken all the scrap metal from the bottom of the garden, saves me a few trips to the tip!

 

[Flange]

Oh yeah, when I got home I noticed that someone has taken all the scrap metal from the bottom of the garden, saves me a few trips to the tip!

Whilst that saves you a trip to the tip, beware that it is not an insight to the fact that there are people in the area on the lookout for other stuff belonging to you that they might also wish to take.

 

[bazzateer]

Well aware of that, but ****** all I can do about it without spending cash that is set aside for the garage.

 

[chris bsopke]

Dirty scrap steel is worth around £140 a ton at the moment so lots of people looking for it to weigh in.

Good luck with your build .

Chris Bspoke.

 

[bazzateer]

Cheers Chris - there was maybe 1/2 ton there max so no skin off my nose.

 

[oomz1975]

Visited my ex-wife's Uncle and Aunt yesterday at their new house (they are very well off!). Anyway, while chatting her Uncle mentioned his 4 car garage with a workshop below. Well, I didn't need any encouragement and demanded to see it. It's freaking huge! He said it was 10m x 6m - so mine should be slightly larger at 10.5m x 6.5m. His is set up with four cars side by side whereas mine will be two cars in front and two behind. But the space is enormous!

Did you get any pics or good ideas from here?

 

[bazzateer]

Did you get any pics or good ideas from here?

No pics and his is purely for storage so no 'work' goes on there. He's wealthy enough to always pay someone else to do any work. The 'basement' workshop is likely to become his wine cellar.

 

[bazzateer]

Still waiting on planning permission. Apparently they're supposed to make a decision by the end of the month otherwise I can 'appeal'. Just negotiated an Insurance payout for damage to my daily driver so will have another £1k for the garage budget. Daily driver still usable so no loss there.

 

[bazzateer]

********!

Planning permission (variance) has been refused, too big apparently.

Option 1: Appeal to government - takes up to 6 months and no guarantee of success.

Option 2: Make it smaller and hope for permission - will take several more months and still no guarantee of success.

Option 3: Build garage within the permitted development regulations making planning permission unnecessary - can keep the same square footage but will have to keep max height of building under 2,500mm thus losing pitched roof/storage and high ceilings/door for camper.

So, I'm going for option 3. I'll sell the camper which should free up some cash for the build and some space inside once it's built.

Now need to get more plans drawn up for the building inspector. (The permitted development/planning rules tell you what you can build, the building regulations tell you how to build it etc).

 

[JSBriggs]

Since you wont need PP, are you going to redraw it to the largest allowable footprint? You can gain some storage back that way.

Bummer about selling the camper.

-Jeff

 

[nuttynil]

pp people make you laugh in this country sorry to hear this .....

 

[bazzateer]

Since you wont need PP, are you going to redraw it to the largest allowable footprint? You can gain some storage back that way.

Bummer about selling the camper.

-Jeff

I had thought about that but not having the Camper in there will free up loads of space. Also, I want to stay friendly with the neighbours! Once it's up and established there's always the possibility of applying to have the roof changed in a few years.....

 

[bazzateer]

pp people make you laugh in this country sorry to hear this .....

Cheers mate. I'm not religious but I do believe in Karma, he'll get his one day.

 

[londonsteve]

That's **** about the refusal but i think your right to build it within permitted development. Just build it and enjoy it otherwise itwill just get you down arguing with the town hall nazis, Good luck with it.

 

[bazzateer]

Cheers Steve, might even work out a bit cheaper too. There's always an 'up' side!

 

[scheu]

Since you wont need PP, are you going to redraw it to the largest allowable footprint? You can gain some storage back that way.

Bummer about selling the camper.

-Jeff

I'd be tempted to do that also. Either way good luck!
scheu

 

[Grizz1963]

Hi Baz,

Been a bit busy lately, we hope to exchange contracts and move into No 9 on Friday this week.

The garage is already full, as well as half the loft.

I was there today and put up some suspended storage space for the big hand tools like grinders and other woodwork tools not used every day.

Could you not score even a bit of storage space insde the pitch of the roof of your new garage ?

Pity about the camper, I am selling my bus as well,as the money has other uses at the moment with the new house etc.

Good luck with it all though.

 

[bazzateer]

Hi Rian,

I saw you were selling the bus - shame but I know how it is. Good that you're moving soon though.

The garage will have to have a flat roof to keep within the total building height of 2.5m so no pitched roof.

 

[bazzateer]

Should have new plans drawn up soon. Then I'll hand them to the builder and get him to liase with Building Control as I think he'll be cheaper than the architect, need to keep extraneous costs down as much as possible.

 

[bazzateer]

Scored this the other day on eBay. Just 20 mins up the road too so cost about £5 including petrol. This'll be the window in the wall that faces the house. The bench will run below it.

Just need to find some nice cheap wooden garage doors 7-8' wide to go in the back wall alongside this window. Looks small in the pic but it's about 8' long and 3' high.