Canadian Cowboy
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Here is my newest addition to my compressor family American Kellogg dual stage 80gal. a true 1725 rpm 5 hp single phase Baldor motor.
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FluxCore
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I needed a really dry and pure air supply for my upcoming purchase of a Hypertherm Powermax 45 plasma cutter.....I found and old refrigerated air dyer in a scrap heap and totally rebuilt it, then converted my 20 year old cast iron Curtis/Toledo portable into a roll-around unit and mounted the air dryer, filters and hose reel into a welded angle iron frame....Also added an electronic automatic tank blowdown.
Once mock up was completed, I tore it all down and soda blasted the whole mess, rebuilt the compressor, and converted it to 220V ...Here it is almost finished.
Here it is while soda blasting
It's a 2 stage 2 HP 8 CFM cast iron unit with 23 galon tank. It's a perfect match for the plasma cutter and can also be used for painting.
This is my other compressor I use for shop tools
FluxCore
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LOL, this was the dryer when I found it-total piece of junk but it still had refrigerant charge, so I went to work on it.
Here it is after I was done...Like new
My old compressor before I converted it below
Brian_B_
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Mine is nothing fancy but the price was right for the bigger one (free). The portable I bought way back when I was 21 from a friend.
1stblack97ZJ
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800 dollar industrial sprinkler system compressor that we got for free, and 35 dollar 10 gallon tank. Throw in a pressure switch and some fittings, and it works.
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Brian_B_
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Thank you. They call them viweports. I had no clue.
EDIT: Found the same thing called sight glasses on McMaster carr.
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Have been running it for about a year now, and have been very happy with it.
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bsaint
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This is my compressor that is almost finished. I have to buy an electrical enclosure and a bigger tank for the garage eventually. A 1/2" ARO regulator is on the way.
I built the control myself. It automatically senses demand and changes the compressor to run in HAND instead of AUTO or vise versa, or with a selector switch you can force AUTO or HAND depending on what you are doing. When it unloads, it also drops the frequency to save power since an Emglo pump has true head unloaders unlike 1.5hp IRs and many chinese pumps.
My system is 19 gallons total split up between my basement (8 gal) and my garage (11 gal) connected by a 1/2" synthetic air line (about 100'.) I am hoping to increase my tank in the garage to at least 25 gallons but prefer a 60 gallon.
My little tank
My safety coupling from Legris
Connection hose with 1/2" unions on both sides.
The compressor overall. I guess this would be a "skid" mount. Tanks are expensive so I bought HF compressor to rob the tank off of it.
Flow input on how I calculate logic.
The control!!
I built the control myself. It automatically senses demand and changes the compressor to run in HAND instead of AUTO or vise versa, or with a selector switch you can force AUTO or HAND depending on what you are doing. When it unloads, it also drops the frequency to save power since an Emglo pump has true head unloaders unlike 1.5hp IRs and many chinese pumps.
My system is 19 gallons total split up between my basement (8 gal) and my garage (11 gal) connected by a 1/2" synthetic air line (about 100'.) I am hoping to increase my tank in the garage to at least 25 gallons but prefer a 60 gallon.
My little tank
My safety coupling from Legris
Connection hose with 1/2" unions on both sides.
The compressor overall. I guess this would be a "skid" mount. Tanks are expensive so I bought HF compressor to rob the tank off of it.
Flow input on how I calculate logic.
The control!!
torqueman2002
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This is my compressor that is almost finished. I have to buy an electrical enclosure and a bigger tank for the garage eventually. A 1/2" ARO regulator is on the way.
I built the control myself. It automatically senses demand and changes the compressor to run in HAND instead of AUTO or vise versa, or with a selector switch you can force AUTO or HAND depending on what you are doing. When it unloads, it also drops the frequency to save power since an Emglo pump has true head unloaders unlike 1.5hp IRs and many chinese pumps.
My system is 19 gallons total split up between my basement (8 gal) and my garage (11 gal) connected by a 1/2" synthetic air line (about 100'.) I am hoping to increase my tank in the garage to at least 25 gallons but prefer a 60 gallon.
My little tank
My safety coupling from Legris
Connection hose with 1/2" unions on both sides.
The compressor overall. I guess this would be a "skid" mount. Tanks are expensive so I bought HF compressor to rob the tank off of it.
Flow input on how I calculate logic.
The control!!
So, Mr. Goldberg; you've been busy.
pcmeiners
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Bsaint, neat control system
I have to get my auto drain setup yet using multiple Idec gt3w timers and solenoid valves; procrastinating over a year, I made the mistake of mounting the components in a tight box first, your way is better.
I have to get my auto drain setup yet using multiple Idec gt3w timers and solenoid valves; procrastinating over a year, I made the mistake of mounting the components in a tight box first, your way is better.
bsaint
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Yea since electrical enclosures are a lot of money, I laid it out first on a 2' x 2' then once I had all the components, I trimmed down the wood to my target enclose size's back plane. I may end up redoing some of the layout but itll all fit in a 20" x 16" I may change the PLC brick to a board only "O.E." style PCB and mount it on the door because I am writing a new version of the ladder logic to run duplex compressors both rotary screw and piston and have to add 2 more relays.
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pcmeiners
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Yes, I am going to take the components out and work on them. This is the second time I have made this mistake. In the link below, I have the contactor, LED amp meter, hour meter,small power supply, plus another couple of relay in a small box... wish I had thought "outside the box" first.
http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/...tion=view¤t=DSC_00600001-1.jpg&newest=1
Another control I would like to get is a digital pressure switch with a remote, so I can dial up the tank pressure from 80 to approx 160, presently set at 110, but it would be nice to be able to dial it up/down easily. Off hand if you know of a particular unit let me know, I have seen some on Ebay but I have never used one, so not sure what to get thanks.
http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/...tion=view¤t=DSC_00600001-1.jpg&newest=1
Another control I would like to get is a digital pressure switch with a remote, so I can dial up the tank pressure from 80 to approx 160, presently set at 110, but it would be nice to be able to dial it up/down easily. Off hand if you know of a particular unit let me know, I have seen some on Ebay but I have never used one, so not sure what to get thanks.
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This is my compressor that is almost finished. I have to buy an electrical enclosure and a bigger tank for the garage eventually. A 1/2" ARO regulator is on the way.
I built the control myself. It automatically senses demand and changes the compressor to run in HAND instead of AUTO or vise versa, or with a selector switch you can force AUTO or HAND depending on what you are doing. When it unloads, it also drops the frequency to save power since an Emglo pump has true head unloaders unlike 1.5hp IRs and many chinese pumps.
My system is 19 gallons total split up between my basement (8 gal) and my garage (11 gal) connected by a 1/2" synthetic air line (about 100'.) I am hoping to increase my tank in the garage to at least 25 gallons but prefer a 60 gallon.
My little tank
My safety coupling from Legris
Connection hose with 1/2" unions on both sides.
The compressor overall. I guess this would be a "skid" mount. Tanks are expensive so I bought HF compressor to rob the tank off of it.
Flow input on how I calculate logic.
The control!!
Can you explain to my ******* what all this stuff is for and how it affects compressing air? I read you in that it will switch from "hand" to "auto", do you mean you switch from non stop running to on/off at set PSI points? I guess due to my lack of knowledge I'm not understanding why all the extra stuff and work to make some compressed air?
I call myself a jack of all trades, supposed to be familar with compressors at least but then someone like this comes along and blows my freakin mind...
could you put this in "southern" for me, idk wtf you just said, not to mention how all that microprocessor stuff works on your current setup.
bsaint
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Because when my control senses high demand, itll automatically keep the motor running when not making air so you don't constantly get in rush current. You save on your power bill and save on wear on the motor. And as someone else mentioned, your pump doesn't have to "relube" itself. It's been mostly helpful when switching from an impact to air hammer or impact to die grinder.
bsaint
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Hey that's pretty cool. I don't know of any remote adjustable pressure switch. I'd probably do it with analog controls in steps.
What would REALLY be cool is I want to be able to control my compressor with a wireless Phoenix Contact wireless adapter so I can monitor my process via iPhone out in the garage.
pcmeiners
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Nine4gmc..
Bsaint's controls are much more involved then mine...
The LED display ammeter is similar to the Ebay link below, mine has a current transformer which one of the power leads goes through to sense the current, instead of the shunt (as in the linked model). If anyone wants an LED ammeter, get one rated to the highest load at motor can pull (complete short, motor in flames draw, or else it might be possible to over power the current circuit, not sure).
Aside from the meter you will need a small voltage supply, I used the smallest power supply I had, left over from a laptop computer which will work on voltages from 90-230v, just about any power supply will do as long as it will work on the supply voltage. Hardest part was cutting the mounting hole in the metal enclosure.
With an ammeter you can tell a good deal about a compressor's health, once you have documented reading of the current draw during normal operations. Baseline would be current draw with compressor belt off, startup current, current use at specific pressures, current draw just before a filter change, current draw during utility voltage drops ect; once you have a baseline, if the current draw deviates you need to look for a cause.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20V-200A-RE...031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27c7349acf
The digital presure switch I want is something like this (I think)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-Digital...t=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item4cfd3e2639
Instead of having a normal standard compressor switch which must be mechanically adjusted at the compressure which takes time and wrenches to adjust, is to have an electronic device so it can be adjusted easily. With a remote installed at the point of use, one could bring the tank pressure up or down according to the tools being used. Mainly the idea is to keep the tank pressure as low as possible as per use needed...lower tank pressure equates to less power used..not necessary but cool.
Bsaint..
"What would REALLY be cool is I want to be able to control my compressor with a wireless Phoenix Contact wireless adapter so I can monitor my process via iPhone out in the garage."
Were getting carried away here., next you will be mounting an LCD screen in the bedroom. Joking aside, I was at one site which had a plant management system which can do this.
" It's been mostly helpful when switching from an impact to air hammer or impact to die grinder. " thats cool
Bsaint's controls are much more involved then mine...
The LED display ammeter is similar to the Ebay link below, mine has a current transformer which one of the power leads goes through to sense the current, instead of the shunt (as in the linked model). If anyone wants an LED ammeter, get one rated to the highest load at motor can pull (complete short, motor in flames draw, or else it might be possible to over power the current circuit, not sure).
Aside from the meter you will need a small voltage supply, I used the smallest power supply I had, left over from a laptop computer which will work on voltages from 90-230v, just about any power supply will do as long as it will work on the supply voltage. Hardest part was cutting the mounting hole in the metal enclosure.
With an ammeter you can tell a good deal about a compressor's health, once you have documented reading of the current draw during normal operations. Baseline would be current draw with compressor belt off, startup current, current use at specific pressures, current draw just before a filter change, current draw during utility voltage drops ect; once you have a baseline, if the current draw deviates you need to look for a cause.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20V-200A-RE...031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27c7349acf
The digital presure switch I want is something like this (I think)...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-Digital...t=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item4cfd3e2639
Instead of having a normal standard compressor switch which must be mechanically adjusted at the compressure which takes time and wrenches to adjust, is to have an electronic device so it can be adjusted easily. With a remote installed at the point of use, one could bring the tank pressure up or down according to the tools being used. Mainly the idea is to keep the tank pressure as low as possible as per use needed...lower tank pressure equates to less power used..not necessary but cool.
Bsaint..
"What would REALLY be cool is I want to be able to control my compressor with a wireless Phoenix Contact wireless adapter so I can monitor my process via iPhone out in the garage."
Were getting carried away here., next you will be mounting an LCD screen in the bedroom
. Joking aside, I was at one site which had a plant management system which can do this." It's been mostly helpful when switching from an impact to air hammer or impact to die grinder. " thats cool
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bsaint
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What would the remote control consist of? A pressure sensor or flow sensor? For me the hardest thing to find was an air flow switch, not a sensor.
pcmeiners
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The remote is just another set of LED readout/control buttons wired to the control on the tank, so basically the control panel at the compressor would be the same or similar at the point of use .
Something like this. This does not have a remote control head but it does have a pressure sensor which could be mounted at the tank, and the main control could be mounted in the work area.
http://www.ueonline.com/bulletins/oneseries-b.pdf
In 15 years this type compressor switch will be common, surprised we don't see these specifically for compressors, smaller and with a stronger enclosure. I think if this were mounted in a smaller, retangular box, with a mechanical over-pressure switch they would really sell. Great price...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Pre...765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c73e4655
Something like this. This does not have a remote control head but it does have a pressure sensor which could be mounted at the tank, and the main control could be mounted in the work area.
http://www.ueonline.com/bulletins/oneseries-b.pdf
In 15 years this type compressor switch will be common, surprised we don't see these specifically for compressors, smaller and with a stronger enclosure. I think if this were mounted in a smaller, retangular box, with a mechanical over-pressure switch they would really sell. Great price...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Pre...765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c73e4655
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LumpyMusic
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Here's the control panel for my modified CentralPneumatic. The CRT readout on the right is a restored Montgomery Wards. The chrome turret wheels are salvaged from an old ShopSmith. They connect, via huge Acme thread rods, to the pressure regulator. The large vertical gauge in the upper most panel keeps tabs on the flux capacitor impedance.
Polyester suit from Robert Hall.
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You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
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Polyester suit from Robert Hall.
Lumpy
You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
www.LumpyMusic.com
bsaint
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What is a shopsmith? Like a mill combo unit?
LumpyMusic
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Multi woodworking tool. Lathe, drill press, band saw, table saw etc...all in a fold-up, rolling package. I don't think they make 'em any more.
Lumpy
Can you do that FM disc jockey voice?
Yes, but it doesn't translate well in ascii.
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mdbeck1
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I agree with the description... They do still make them http://www.shopsmith.com/
Actually a pretty cool tool but I prefer the individual machines.
hicketts
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I thought I would show off this compressor I put together at work. The bottom tank is in perfect shape it was an old climate control dual head unit. Both pump heads died from lack of maintenance, and the top tank was a perfect working order take out from a middle school doing renovations, and again it was a claimant control unit with a lead lag controller. The top tank pumps only spin at 540 rpm and Quincy says they are 100% duty cycle. The top tank feeds into the bottom tank on the left and then the bottom tank feeds out on the right. Let me know what you think.
mayday0017
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I think I need a setup like this, with a broom closet like that too keep it in so I don't have to hear or see it. Just a constant supply of air that comes from some mystery location
my latest Cl pick, $200 how'd I do? Its an older model cambel hausfeld cast iron pump 6hp 60 gal. runs smooth, you can stand next to it and talk its really quiet compared to my Craftsman Pro oiless 30 gal. the only problem is the little brass air valve on the unloader is leaking air, it does not look rebuildable does anyone know where I can pick one up?
1Garageman
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I thought I would show off this compressor I put together at work. The bottom tank is in perfect shape it was an old climate control dual head unit. Both pump heads died from lack of maintenance, and the top tank was a perfect working order take out from a middle school doing renovations, and again it was a claimant control unit with a lead lag controller. The top tank pumps only spin at 540 rpm and Quincy says they are 100% duty cycle. The top tank feeds into the bottom tank on the left and then the bottom tank feeds out on the right. Let me know what you think.
That is a neat hiding place for it!
So how many gallons does each of those hold? The bottom tank looks a little bigger than the top. Great setup
hicketts
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The top tank is 80 gallon and the bottom is a 120gallon. I actually set it up for high school shop classes it feeds both woods and metals. We recently got a new sandblasting cabinet and man does it **** some air. So with funds short I did the best I could. The picture was taken just after I installed it two weeks ago, and the electric wasn't finished up yet, I just wanted to test run it and make sure both heads had their phase sync right.
Scored this today for $250.
single phase 5HP Baldor L1410T is SHOT....not sure if a shop can rewind or not?
Won't know how good a score it was for a while til I get a motor but hopefully it'll work out.
Pump supposedly works but have not run it yet. Trusted seller. It was used in a small engine shop....has a lot of oil around it....not sure yet if from pump or just from the environment it was in and/or sloppy oil changes.
Kellogg American 335TVX Pump
I'm pretty **** about buying stuff and completely rebuilding to new or as close to new as I can get it.....this will be first compressor project however.
-Is there a compressor specific forum I need to find?
-Anyone know difference between 335TV and 335TVX?
-Unit is hammer-tone blue-ish....this paint still available?
If I take pump off to clean....what is best way? Some of the paint is peeling from heat sinks as if it overheated(or maybe this is normal over time?) Can I plug intake and exhaust and then bead blast and paint? Clueless.....please point me in right direction.
-Looked up Baldor motors..... is the L1410T prefered over the seemingly cheaper and more efficient L1430T?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
single phase 5HP Baldor L1410T is SHOT....not sure if a shop can rewind or not?
Won't know how good a score it was for a while til I get a motor but hopefully it'll work out.
Pump supposedly works but have not run it yet. Trusted seller. It was used in a small engine shop....has a lot of oil around it....not sure yet if from pump or just from the environment it was in and/or sloppy oil changes.
Kellogg American 335TVX Pump
I'm pretty **** about buying stuff and completely rebuilding to new or as close to new as I can get it.....this will be first compressor project however.
-Is there a compressor specific forum I need to find?
-Anyone know difference between 335TV and 335TVX?
-Unit is hammer-tone blue-ish....this paint still available?
If I take pump off to clean....what is best way? Some of the paint is peeling from heat sinks as if it overheated(or maybe this is normal over time?) Can I plug intake and exhaust and then bead blast and paint? Clueless.....please point me in right direction.
-Looked up Baldor motors..... is the L1410T prefered over the seemingly cheaper and more efficient L1430T?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
chrommagman
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800 dollar industrial sprinkler system compressor that we got for free, and 35 dollar 10 gallon tank. Throw in a pressure switch and some fittings, and it works.
does that filter work well right there? It mite work a bit better it you have a lager peace of pipe so the moisture in the air has more time to condense
That filter is just a plastic housing with a piece of foam in it, I doubt that it will filter much of anything. I had the same filter on a CH compressor, if you remove it, the inlet port should be threaded ½ NPT. You can get a Solberg filter that will screw in.
Steevo
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I am not fully clear on the difference between the two motors, but if you go to this site, they are only $20 apart.
If you call them, they will be happy to explain the difference between the motors. I got my L1410T from them.
http://williamsonneelectric.com/5hpbaldoraircompressorelectricmotorl1410t.aspx
pcmeiners
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Interesting I just pulled up the performance specs, the L1430t is better in all specs, must be a newer model. Guess there is a large shelf stock of L1410s around, for people who insist on an exact replacement.
L1430
http://www.baldor.com/products/perf...inglePhase&winding=36WGT077&rating=40CMB-CONT
L1410
http://www.baldor.com/products/perf...inglePhase&winding=36WGW849&rating=40CMB-CONT
"335TV and 335TVX" hard to get spec differences, from what I pulled the 335tvx appears to be in setups which give slightly more cfm.
Looks good for $250, from what I found on google , the repair/rebuild parts appear cheaper then other brands.
If you can't find the exact paint, auto paint store will mix the color if you bring a painted part with you, thats what I did for my curtis, not cheap.
As to oil on unit, guess you will need to clean up the head, run for a while, then check for leaks, at this point it may just be a sloppy oil change.
L1430
http://www.baldor.com/products/perf...inglePhase&winding=36WGT077&rating=40CMB-CONT
L1410
http://www.baldor.com/products/perf...inglePhase&winding=36WGW849&rating=40CMB-CONT
"335TV and 335TVX" hard to get spec differences, from what I pulled the 335tvx appears to be in setups which give slightly more cfm.
Looks good for $250, from what I found on google , the repair/rebuild parts appear cheaper then other brands.
If you can't find the exact paint, auto paint store will mix the color if you bring a painted part with you, thats what I did for my curtis, not cheap.
As to oil on unit, guess you will need to clean up the head, run for a while, then check for leaks, at this point it may just be a sloppy oil change.
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Morrisman
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That's the point where the compressor goes from being a tool for a hobby, to actually being the hobby.
I may have posted these pics before somewhere in the thread, can't remember, but these are the 1600cfm monsters I work on. 2000psi, 5 stage, powered by an 800hp electric motor. Air/water inter-coolers between each stage, electronic condensate dumping on each condensate trap.
2nd, 4th and 5th stage cylinders.
Lubrication grand central. All the thin pipes go off to lube the cylinders.
The alarm panel for three compressors.
chrommagman
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my latest Cl pick, $200 how'd I do? Its an older model cambel hausfeld cast iron pump 6hp 60 gal. runs smooth, you can stand next to it and talk its really quiet compared to my Craftsman Pro oiless 30 gal. the only problem is the little brass air valve on the unloader is leaking air, it does not look rebuildable does anyone know where I can pick one up?
Check this link out. It should help you out
http://www.chpower.com/IMAGES/pdfs/manual00/227400_0395.pdf