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Snapdragon

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Hey, guys. I apologize for making yet another thread on air compressors, but I'm a bit curious and wanted your advice. I'm looking to get my hands on a 20 or 30 gallon compressor, 110V. I'd like to be able to run a sander, an impact, die grinder, needle scaler, and hammer for enthusiast use, not professional. The ones I've narrowed my search down to are as follows:
https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/DeWalt-DXCM303.COM-Air-Compressor/p153850.html (Tractor Supply Co. offers one for 600 right now)
I'm under the impression that a higher CFM and a bigger tank are absolutely the most important things to focus on for comps, with noise being a very close second. but I was wondering if 6CFM would be much better than 5, given the same tank size. Aside from that, do any of you have any experience with any of these, or recommendations to steer clear from a particular model? Should I look for a different brand altogether?
 
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I'd opt for the 30 gallon but find the same compressor under a different name for less money, for example: the Menards Masterforce is I believe the same compressor with black paint for $600. And don't set your expectations too high for the sander and probably the grinder, it ain't gonna keep up.
 

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Here's my advice;
Take the money you plan to spend on the 20-30 gallon unit to the nearest casino and put it all on BLACK(or red, but if it lands on black you'll regret it...)

If you win use that money to buy a bigger compressor. If you lose you won't be missing out on too much wanting to run those tools on a 5cfm unit.
 

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I'm looking to get my hands on a 20 or 30 gallon compressor, 110V. I'd like to be able to run a sander, an impact, die grinder, needle scaler, and hammer
What you want to do will drain the tank, the pump will never shut off. You are about to spend money on a compressor that won't do the job, will break your heart, and will give you unending water-in-the-air problems unless you're living in a desert.

The 1/2-hp and 1-hp die grinders are the most air-hungry tools I own. Unlike air impacts which get the trigger pulled, released, pulled, released, as each individual fastener is removed, the die grinder is used more-or-less continually until the job is done. Two minutes continuous...fifteen minutes continuous...two hours continuous...

I had a 20-gallon/120-volt compressor; it would run my air hammer for about three seconds, and then the tank needed to re-fill.

Re-think your air compressor choices. You need something MUCH bigger. A 5-horse, 220V, 60 gallon wasn't quite big enough--but enormously better than that 120-volt waste of money. I ended up with a 5-horse, 220-volt, two-stage 80 gallon that keeps me happy with minimal water in the air.
 

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The CAT is a great compressor. That's a tried and tested motor/pump. I've seen the Eagle around for a long time but I've never seen one in person and have never heard about anyone owning one. They're crazy money.

An even cheaper option in the 5ish cfm range with a bigger tank is the 26 gallon Fortress from Harbor freight.

When you're at the point where you're spending $800+ on an oilless, you could spring for the Quincy 12124PQ, or it's vertical variant, or the Napa equivalent, or the Chicago Pneumatic equivalent, Bellaire equivalent, etc.

Those are 24 gallon tank, 7 cfm oil lubricated machines. They're not as quiet as the oilless however.

As others have mentioned, none of these are going to keep up with die grinder, needle scalers, sanders and the like.

Here's a video I made testing the air consumption of various air tools. As you can see, they use a lot more air than they advertise, and a lot more air than you're going to get out of any 120 volt compressor.
 
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Just a few comments. Silent compressors are nice but often the belt drive, oiled compressors can be made less noisy if you setup a decent intake muffler. I have a Campbell Hausfeld made (not branded) belt drive compressor. I saw an 8db drop when going from a basically open air filter (no meaningful noise suppression) to the current factory intake (the kind that looks like a covered pan with a pipe sticking out the side, same as those on the Northern Tool compressor) + about 1.5' of rubber tube slipped over the filter housing inlet.
While the total package is not as quiet as my CAT 5510, it isn't obnoxious even in my small garage. If you are going to push any of these compressors the oil lube models will last longer. Also, I'm not impressed with the way the Eagle compressor is stating it's noise levels... 56db (that's good) at 25ft (well that's a bit more than the standard 1m).
Per https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/distance-attenuation the sound level at a standard 1m for that compressor would be 74db. Not loud but I think I'm seeing 78db (measured with a phone) with my compressor in the corner of my garage. My CAT claims 60 and shows something like 68 in my garage.

If you are limited to 120V then I would suggest looking for compressors that go to 150+ psi. The difference in usable air in a 175 psi setup vs 125 is really large. I setup a compressor calculator and one of the things I looked at was how many CF of air the system had before the tank pressure dropped to 90 psi. The idea being if you have say a 4 CF tank (30 gallon) how many usable CF of air are in there. So take the peak pressure (say 150 psi) - 90 psi and you have the number of available psi (60). Divide by psi/atmosphere (90 psi/14.7 (psi/atm)=6.2 atm. 6.2atm*4cf means you have the equivalent of 24.8 cf available in that tank. Note: For the engineers out there, yes, I'm totally ignoring the effects of heating/cooling etc and those losses aren't rounding errors.

Anyway, so using my quick metric a 20 gallon, 135 psi tank has 8.18 cf of usable air. The 30 gallon, 200 psi compressor has 30 cf. So if you must drive high demand tools off a 120V compressor at least the higher pressure, larger volume tanks will mean you can go 2-3x as long between pump cycling. However you will also wait longer to refresh.

Finally, all of these compressors are priced near/the same as a 60 gallon, "3 hp" (15-18A, 230V) type compressor. If you can use a 240V compressor you will be much happier as they provide far more flow as well as more tank volume.
 

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Get cordless versions of those tools. None will work well on a small, 120v compressor
A corded electric die grinder is a WORLD of difference from a small air one that your compressor cannot power. Yes it's bigger and heavier, but the torque and relentless work output is a game changer IMO.
 

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A corded electric die grinder is a WORLD of difference from a small air one that your compressor cannot power. Yes it's bigger and heavier, but the torque and relentless work output is a game changer IMO.
Sure, but for light use, the m12 is pretty great. I wouldn't run a head porting business with it, but they are pretty useful and super compact.
 

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Hey, guys. I apologize for making yet another thread on air compressors, but I'm a bit curious and wanted your advice. I'm looking to get my hands on a 20 or 30 gallon compressor, 110V. I'd like to be able to run a sander, an impact, die grinder, needle scaler, and hammer for enthusiast use, not professional. The ones I've narrowed my search down to are as follows:
https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/DeWalt-DXCM303.COM-Air-Compressor/p153850.html (Tractor Supply Co. offers one for 600 right now)
I'm under the impression that a higher CFM and a bigger tank are absolutely the most important things to focus on for comps, with noise being a very close second. but I was wondering if 6CFM would be much better than 5, given the same tank size. Aside from that, do any of you have any experience with any of these, or recommendations to steer clear from a particular model? Should I look for a different brand altogether?
Snap, you won't be able to run an air sander and an air die grinder well enough with a 110V compressor for them to be useful for anything serious.

I run die grinders off my 120V compressor because I'm only using them for quick touch ups with roloc wheels. For any "sustained" use, my die grinders will stabilize around 30psi on my compressor. I have an air angle grinder that also gets used only for short blasts because I simply don't have the air for it to run for extended use.

More than anything else, air compressor selection is about duty cycles-- of the tool and of the compressor.

On the compressor side, you want to assure that whatever compressor you buy can handle 100% duty cycle-- running continuously, indefinitely. Most oil free compressors cannot do this (although there are likely some out there). Air output is in SCFM but the "per minute" part is the devil that bites you when you buy a cheap compressor only rated 25% duty cycle. A 25% duty cycle compressor is real world only 25% of the output of a 100% duty cycle compressor, even at identical SCFM ratings.

On the tool side, the tool maker is often (but not always) assuming a duty cycle and derating. That sander rated 5 CFM is more like 25CFM because they are assuming you only use it 20% of the time. Industrial tools are rated for continuous use. That's why a Sioux 1.0 hp die grinder shows an honest 30SCFM air draw, while Aircat shows a paltry 6 CFM for their 1.0 hp die grinder. The Aircat is rated 20% duty cycle and the Sioux is rated 100% duty cycle.

Unfortunately, air tool makers do not publish the assumed duty cycle of their tools uses to make the consumption appear less. Some tool makers are using 20%, some are 25%, some are 100%. If it seems to good to be true, it is.

For a Vane Motor tool, you can assume 30 SCFM needed per HP at 100% duty cycle.

A Divide-and-conquer strategy can overcome 120V compressor limitations. Meaning, divide your tools and tasks into those things where a short blast or touch up is all you need and the duty cycle is short. Those things can be air tools. But you'll need non-air tools for extended or particularly hard use. A 120V compressor IME is perfectly adequate for things like impact guns, air ratchets, air hammers, smaller spray guns, etc. But for grinders and sanders, you'll run out of air quickly.

This is why I have many corded electric tools that are angle grinders, die grinders, sanders, etc. Abrasive work in general often requires extended operating times.
I've been able to make a 120V compressor of unimpressive 6 SCFM output suffice for near 20 years now. I'd love to upgrade (it's loud) but it's been sufficient for so many uses that a huge compressor just isn't justified for me.

PS: One "hack" you can deploy with a 100% duty cycle compressor is adding an extended air tank or tanks. Another 30--40 gallons of air tank is often just enough more capacity that you can make the 120V compressor work where it otherwise wouldn't. Because you wisely bought a 100% rated compressor, you don't need to worry about extended operating times for the compressor to recover from the larger tanks.
 
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Sorry about the delay in response. I'd like to thank all of you for the insights you've offered me, and for steering me away from my somewhat wishful and erroneous thinking. I think I'll hold off until I can either find some cheap used one or move and take a 220V once I can wire an outlet. Cheers, lads.
 

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I got by with a 3HP portable (20gal/240V/10cfm) for almost 25 years. Finally snagged a 5hp/60gal, since I got a small sandblaster cabinet.
 
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