I got some not even Chinese wrenches for giggles. They're raised panel style and do fine too except the sharp edges, at least on normal stuff. They're a little short though.
Counterfeit Snap on wrenches? Is there such a thing?
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Using the pic you posted and searching Ebay lead me to one of his auctions. In the description, ships from "Pocatello, Idaho"
A Google search for Pocatello, Idaho Snap On" yields this FB page
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So he's probably selling stuff on Ebay which probably isn't allowed, maybe repo'ed stuff, and maybe fake warrantied through Snap-On.
A Google search for Pocatello, Idaho Snap On" yields this FB page
Idaho Snap-On Guy | Pocatello ID
Idaho Snap-On Guy, Pocatello. 181 likes · 1 talking about this. We’re a family run Snap-On Tools franchise serving Southeastern Idaho! Quality tools and service!
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So he's probably selling stuff on Ebay which probably isn't allowed, maybe repo'ed stuff, and maybe fake warrantied through Snap-On.
Using the pic you posted and searching Ebay lead me to one of his auctions. In the description, ships from "Pocatello, Idaho"
A Google search for Pocatello, Idaho Snap On" yields this FB page
Idaho Snap-On Guy | Pocatello ID
Idaho Snap-On Guy, Pocatello. 181 likes · 1 talking about this. We’re a family run Snap-On Tools franchise serving Southeastern Idaho! Quality tools and service!
So he's probably selling stuff on Ebay which probably isn't allowed, maybe repo'ed stuff, and maybe fake warrantied through Snap-On.
I haven't used eBay in years, so wasn't sure if I was seeing things correctly. Looked to me like he had 6k+ sales, then a long break and then a couple dozen sales.
If I'm right that could indicate a hacked account
Kind of a stretch…..but I guess where the items shipped from might be an indicator.
This whole thread is weird.
A bit, but it happens. And account goes dormant and then someone hijacks it to run a scam for a while.
Odd that the seller has several dozen sets
100%.
This is where he ships from…Using the pic you posted and searching Ebay lead me to one of his auctions. In the description, ships from "Pocatello, Idaho"
A Google search for Pocatello, Idaho Snap On" yields this FB page
Idaho Snap-On Guy | Pocatello ID
Idaho Snap-On Guy, Pocatello. 181 likes · 1 talking about this. We’re a family run Snap-On Tools franchise serving Southeastern Idaho! Quality tools and service!
So he's probably selling stuff on Ebay which probably isn't allowed, maybe repo'ed stuff, and maybe fake warrantied through Snap-On.
His name appears on absolutely nothing. He ships from an address other than what is listed on eBay.
Sketchy but not unheard of.This is where he ships from…
His name appears on absolutely nothing. He ships from an address other than what is listed on eBay.
mngundog
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That address comes back to a packing/shipping facilityThis is where he ships from…
His name appears on absolutely nothing. He ships from an address other than what is listed on eBay.
That is a postal annex. Listing one place and shipping from another state is sketchy to me.This is where he ships from…
His name appears on absolutely nothing. He ships from an address other than what is listed on eBay.
Can you still check out the usps tracking number ? Does it show wheete it departed from ?
If you have a USPS account and print your own labels, can you fake the shipping address ?
If you have a USPS account and print your own labels, can you fake the shipping address ?
The address I shipped to for the return…
Benchmark landscape corp headquarters...
Wrench-Polisher
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So yes and no. These are called zombie accounts.
Most people use the same email and password for most things for DECADES. Some things they dont come back to be it ebay, your cactus growing forum, hobby X, hobby Y or some service.
Scammers and other goverments buy your leaked data on the dark web and use brute force to check accounts on varius sites services and vendors since people tend to use the same email and password.
Data brokers thanks to phones have a LOT of data on you, they can guess your race and age without seeing you with great certainty, they know which sites to "scrape".
When the USSR err I mean russians invaded Ukraine my gun forum (one of the biggest on the internet) all of a sudden lit up with hundreds of dorman accounts spouting copy paste versions of russian propaganda. Accounts 5, 4, 6, 7, 12 years old with 100 posts or 1000 inactive for years or a decade all of a sudden showed up only posting political propaganda.
Account farming is a thing.
Wrench-Polisher
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Also any one message those Idaho tool guys and ask?
Edit: they may not want to talk or be anonymous if they are breaking some snap on rules about prices and MSRP?
Edit: they may not want to talk or be anonymous if they are breaking some snap on rules about prices and MSRP?
kbuhagiar
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I was about to unsubscribe this thread, and now it's getting interesting.
Poway is about seven miles to the south of me.
Poway is about seven miles to the south of me.
Oh so you're a scammer too.
Wrench97
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A Snap On rep can't sell out of his assigned area.
Does shipping clear across the country count as selling outside their area?
Wrench97
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I’m familiar… I was referring to usurping an account previously used to sell SnapOn items years earlier, sourcing counterfeit Snap On wrenches, actually obtaining, listing and shipping the wrenches….. as a stretch.
That’s a lot of moving parts for an obscure scam with a very limited market.
neophyte
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According to the Snap-On contract, no, he is not supposed to.
Other than Snap-On dealers,
or maybe Snap-On corporate, who want the extra profit margins from sales from the online retail store, I really don’t see a moral issue with it.
It’s sort of like an industrial tool store selling to walk in traffic even though there is a corporate “account members only” official policy.
kbuhagiar
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Yup, I defy you to tell my counterfeit Yugo replacement parts from the real thing.Oh so you're a scammer too.
if we're paying the PE run landscape company, there better not be any weeds!
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Yes, we just keep hoping and hoping those tools are real. Or maybe that they are fake.
Snap On purchase slumming threads always seem to make me think of something like this.
If people want Snap On, just pay the price and buy it.
Wrench97
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There are real Yugo parts?Yup, I defy you to tell my counterfeit Yugo replacement parts from the real thing.
I could tell your counterfeits easily because they'd be better.Yup, I defy you to tell my counterfeit Yugo replacement parts from the real thing.
I'm sorry to hear that the purchase wasn't a happy end at all. Sending them back was the right decision. Would have done the same. Still wouldn't say these are counterfeits. Like others already mentioned, my guess would be either sorted out from the factory due to defects, reworked items especially the box end side or prototypes that shouldn't leave the factory at all. Last guess would be my favorite at the moment, because the changes they made to the wrench compared to your friends make sense. Exception is the unfinished looking box end visible at #61. Since most companies outsource a lot of tasks, maybe those wrenches got sent to a melting company to be destroyed and someone grabbed them there. The seller probably knows exactly what he is selling, because all Snap On offers on eBay have tons of pictures attached, regardless of new or used items, just this one offer not.
You are in a good position to do some detective work.
Walk in the door, ask for the person in charge. Say something to the effect of “I hear you guys are in the Snap-on wrench distribution business” or something similar and see where it goes. Or perhaps a more discrete approach. Pretend to be interested in some landscaping work. Skillfully steer the conversation. Play dumb. Start with the landscape place. The other shipping company is possibly just shipping and receiving and is uninvolved.
I doubt either company has a clue
So the seller is just using their addresses on shipping labels to conceal their identity?
Hmm, I should do a personal information request. Back in the day, a buyer could request personal information from a seller and in exchange the seller gets the buyers info. I wonder if they still have that feature. I’ll look for it.
KnurledNut
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@impactims
I wish you still had these to check something. Snap-on clocks every box end 7.5 degrees so it can be flipped over to get another bite at 7.5 degrees the opposite way. Very few manufacturers do this due to extra time and expense in production. I highly doubt a counterfeit would have that feature. And if they did, they would likely not be dead on consistent like the real ones.
I wish you still had these to check something. Snap-on clocks every box end 7.5 degrees so it can be flipped over to get another bite at 7.5 degrees the opposite way. Very few manufacturers do this due to extra time and expense in production. I highly doubt a counterfeit would have that feature. And if they did, they would likely not be dead on consistent like the real ones.
Wait- these are the Snap On wrenches that are too nice to use. Just polish them up and leave them in the drawer. Bust out the Pittsburgh Pro for dirty work.
Don't forget the cheater-pipe, PP's have a lifetime warranty.
KnurledNut
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Something else I noticed is the open ends are not consistent in size.
The 14mm looks almost lobsterish and the 10mm looks thin. The 19, 16, 14, 11 are larger than the next size up.
Snap-on are very close to scale dimensionally as sizes increase.
Some lower quality manufacturers will use the same forging die for multiple sizes and the result is wider jaws and yoke on the open end and thicker walls on the box end. This was my biggest complaint with a Tekton set I was able to handle and examine.
Here is a Snap-on SOEX set I personally own. Notice how the wrenches are basically to scale as they change size.
And that is even with different years of production which is common for their sets, versus the OP's set which all had the same date code. To me, that is another red flag.
I will post the OP's picture to compare.
With the overwhelming evidence, I am going with these are counterfeit.
The 14mm looks almost lobsterish and the 10mm looks thin. The 19, 16, 14, 11 are larger than the next size up.
Snap-on are very close to scale dimensionally as sizes increase.
Some lower quality manufacturers will use the same forging die for multiple sizes and the result is wider jaws and yoke on the open end and thicker walls on the box end. This was my biggest complaint with a Tekton set I was able to handle and examine.
Here is a Snap-on SOEX set I personally own. Notice how the wrenches are basically to scale as they change size.
And that is even with different years of production which is common for their sets, versus the OP's set which all had the same date code. To me, that is another red flag.
I will post the OP's picture to compare.
With the overwhelming evidence, I am going with these are counterfeit.
Nice catch!Something else I noticed is the open ends are not consistent in size.
The 14mm looks almost lobsterish and the 10mm looks thin. The 19, 16, 14, 11 are larger than the next size up.
Snap-on are very close to scale dimensionally as sizes increase.
Some lower quality manufacturers will use the same forging die for multiple sizes and the result is wider jaws and yoke on the open end and thicker walls on the box end. This was my biggest complaint with a Tekton set I was able to handle and examine.
Here is a Snap-on SOEX set I personally own. Notice how the wrenches are basically to scale as they change size.
And that is even with different years of production which is common for their sets, versus the OP's set which all had the same date code. To me, that is another red flag.
I will post the OP's picture to compare.
With the overwhelming evidence, I am going with these are counterfeit.
I didn’t even think to look at that!
scooby074
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Yeah, theyre called Icons.