Craftsman Drill Press

[cclfn]

Table saws, planers, jointers.

Drill presses and bandsaws are the main ones that use 1750.

 

[bubinga]

Table saws, planers, jointers.

Drill presses and bandsaws are the main ones that use 1750.


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Although Delta used a 1725 back in the day on jointers with a larger pulley.
Just saying.
Jointers today are 3450 rpm motors.

 

[jbltwin1]

I sure wish that Craftsman motor would have been around last year. One of my table saw ((Craftsman)) puked the motor out last year and I ended up buy a new motor from Grizzly. Spent too much for it but this saw was my dads and I HAD to put it back running. The bigger saw stays in the basement and this one's in the garage. Mike.

 

[bubinga]

I sure wish that Craftsman motor would have been around last year. One of my table saw ((Craftsman)) puked the motor out last year and I ended up buy a new motor from Grizzly. Spent too much for it but this saw was my dads and I HAD to put it back running. The bigger saw stays in the basement and this one's in the garage. Mike.

Yeah, that is a nice motor. Not a half bad price for A NOS motor either, and not a great demand.
Probably could of even got it for less.

 

[smalltown]

I had a craftsman table saw motor die a few years ago. I located a local business that rebuilds the motors. Seems to me I paid ~$100.

 

[redmondjp]

I had a craftsman table saw motor die a few years ago. I located a local business that rebuilds the motors. Seems to me I paid ~$100.

You got a really good deal if this is true. Most rewind shops won't touch the small motors because it costs far less just to buy a new one.

 

[smalltown]

I was happy with it, and they painted it. Don't know if painting is normal.

 

[oldironowner]

If anyone is interested in stainless quill handles I machined, I am looking for $50 + shipping for a set of three. Available in 3/8-16 and 1/2-13 threads. Thanks!

 

[jbltwin1]

I looked all around here to find somebody that WOULD re-build it and the only place did that stuff close went out of business 6 months before this happened. Day late and a dollar short! Mike.

 

[sheltonfilms]

I looked all around here to find somebody that WOULD re-build it and the only place did that stuff close went out of business 6 months before this happened. Day late and a dollar short! Mike.

Still got the old one? If the windings are gone it would be a good learning experience on rewinding a motor yourself. Once you learn how to do it on one, almost no motor is beyond repair.




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[jbltwin1]

I do have it and it's in several pieces in the basement. My shop looks like a bomb went off and it's stuffed over under MY craftsman drill press that hasn't progressed either! The DP just needs parts that just are hard to find and I'm not sure I have the patience! Needs motor ( I have some, but not original), both pulleys (they melted in the fire) and there is no chuck. The knobs melted off, the return spring and knob are gone, etc. Upper head is good, base is good, pole is good, drill table has a chunk out of it. It's a skeleton with a checkered past! Was in my house when the house burned. Dad dug it out of the dumpster because he was a depression kid and you didn't throw ANYTHING away unless it was totally junk. And THEN maybe not! The quill is intact but the pulleys are gone. Handles were gone LONG ago and replaced with the appropriate sized bolts before I got it. Like I said, a lot of stuff. Mike.

 

[fenderguitarleo]

Frank I sourced these bearings from VXB.com.. the part # is SB205-25 mm bore. The specs of the bearing are 27mm wide inner race.. 15 mm wide bearing and upper race..52 mm outside bearing diameter .. with a 25 mm bore.. I actually measured the bore to be 24.7 mm.. it is designed to fit a 25mm shaft.. it was a snug tight fit sliddding on the pulley .. I’ve seen many cheap bearings in my life.. though I’m not that familiar with VBX they listed the specs of the bearing and had it in stock.. I paid about $10 delivered.. others who are selling this spec bearing their prices were upwards of $40-60 before delivery.. I’m very happy with the bearing that arrived ..it is machined well.. solid and heavy with no adverse movements noted before installing it.. I’d buy from then again .. I’m also confident that accurate bearing would have them.. but they don’t have a website for ordering without calling them..

This bearing solution worked great. I recently bought a 1955 model 80 and it had a spun spindle pulley bearing. I used the link you gave us for the supplier and everything worked as planned.

Thanks again for the terrific info.

Leo

 

[FrankLee]

This bearing solution worked great. I recently bought a 1955 model 80 and it had a spun spindle pulley bearing. I used the link you gave us for the supplier and everything worked as planned.

Thanks again for the terrific info.

Leo

Welcome Leo and thanks for the feedback! Please post pictures when you're able.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Does anyone know if this is a craftsman accessory that would have been available on one of these drill presses???? I may have a chance to buy it.

 

[FrankLee]

Does anyone know if this is a craftsman accessory that would have been available on one of these drill presses???? I may have a chance to buy it.

No, I've never seen that table/vise in any Craftsman catalog. The column mount looks rather Delta-ish or maybe Walker-Turner. I dunno. It's still very cool tho. Go get it!

 

[sheltonfilms]

Does anyone know if this is a craftsman accessory that would have been available on one of these drill presses???? I may have a chance to buy it.

Looks Delta. If it’s Delta it will have a “DP ***” part number on the side.


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[Outlawmws]

That vise has come up once or twice in the past on GJ, I don't remember the details.

 

[bherren]

Scored a 150 a while back on Craigslist. I don't see many in my area but found one advertised for $100 and jumped on it. Doing my best to document the restore but got a little eager to start. lol. I spent enough time in this thread to get me interested in wanting one and then after I found one I have spent hours in here. Absolutely love this thread and am blown away by most of the resto's I have seen.

two questions (for now):
It is probably in this thread but I don't know the term to search for. The rubber piece shown near the motor shaft - What is it called and will I be able to find a replacement?
Thank you~

 

[sheltonfilms]

Scored a 150 a while back on Craigslist. I don't see many in my area but found one advertised for $100 and jumped on it. Doing my best to document the restore but got a little eager to start. lol. I spent enough time in this thread to get me interested in wanting one and then after I found one I have spent hours in here. Absolutely love this thread and am blown away by most of the resto's I have seen.



two questions (for now):

It is probably in this thread but I don't know the term to search for. The rubber piece shown near the motor shaft - What is it called and will I be able to find a replacement?

Thank you~

resilient ring



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[FrankLee]

Scored a 150 a while back on Craigslist. I don't see many in my area but found one advertised for $100 and jumped on it. Doing my best to document the restore but got a little eager to start. lol. I spent enough time in this thread to get me interested in wanting one and then after I found one I have spent hours in here. Absolutely love this thread and am blown away by most of the resto's I have seen.

two questions (for now):
It is probably in this thread but I don't know the term to search for. The rubber piece shown near the motor shaft - What is it called and will I be able to find a replacement?
Thank you~

resilient ring

Welcome to the Craftsman dp club!

Yes, your motor is a resilient or cradle mount motor. I've never looked really hard, but I've never found an exact replacement for those Craftsman/Emerson rubber resilient mount rings. If they are not completely destroyed, you may try to reuse them by flipping them and rotate them 180 degrees.

 

[bsorcs]

Many thanks. The search is on. Intended use will be largely relatively light...wood boring, light aluminum track installation, etc; heaviest currently anticipated will be ~1/2-inch holes in 1/4-inch steel-plate caster mounts for self-constructed gantry.

Just found a NOS motor that looks like it will work; now a pulley.

First, I found a replacement pully. The NOS motor turned out to be a dc motor. I ultimately popped for a 1/2 hp 3-phase NOS Lincoln that fits and should be more than satisfactory [3-ph is already in the shop]. The question I now have is what to use for a switch. I am thinking that the ability to reverse the motor would be nice, and am looking for as simple a control as is possible. Any suggestions?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Frank,

I went ahead and picked up that vise table. It was really a fluke that it even worked out. I emailed the seller to see if he would ship it to me and he was willing to come half way to a town where a coworker lives. My friend picked it up after work yesterday. I got it for $35.00.

Your comment pushed me over the fence. I am glad I took your advice! This thing is a beast! It weighs in at 40lbs and is built like an absolute tank. I can tell its got some age to it and may even be close to my 100dp. If anyone knows what kind of handle I should get for this please let me know. I don't have a lot of experience with machinist style vises.

Thanks again

 

[FrankLee]

First, I found a replacement pully. The NOS motor turned out to be a dc motor. I ultimately popped for a 1/2 hp 3-phase NOS Lincoln that fits and should be more than satisfactory [3-ph is already in the shop]. The question I now have is what to use for a switch. I am thinking that the ability to reverse the motor would be nice, and am looking for as simple a control as is possible. Any suggestions?

A Furnas type F/R drum switch should work well. New ones are pricey, but there are used ones on ebay.

 

[FrankLee]

Frank,

I went ahead and picked up that vise table. It was really a fluke that it even worked out. I emailed the seller to see if he would ship it to me and he was willing to come half way to a town where a coworker lives. My friend picked it up after work yesterday. I got it for $35.00.

Your comment pushed me over the fence. I am glad I took your advice! This thing is a beast! It weighs in at 40lbs and is built like an absolute tank. I can tell its got some age to it and may even be close to my 100dp. If anyone knows what kind of handle I should get for this please let me know. I don't have a lot of experience with machinist style vises.

Thanks again

Very cool!

I not familiar with those handles, but you should be able fabricate something from a wrench.

 

[bsorcs]

A Furnas type F/R drum switch should work well. New ones are pricey, but there are used ones on ebay.

Again, many thanks. Seems to be eminently doable and relatively affordable. Much like what is on my DR Homecraft shaper.

 

[bubinga]

Scored a 150 a while back on Craigslist. I don't see many in my area but found one advertised for $100 and jumped on it. Doing my best to document the restore but got a little eager to start. lol. I spent enough time in this thread to get me interested in wanting one and then after I found one I have spent hours in here. Absolutely love this thread and am blown away by most of the resto's I have seen.

two questions (for now):
It is probably in this thread but I don't know the term to search for. The rubber piece shown near the motor shaft - What is it called and will I be able to find a replacement?
Thank you~

resilient ring



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Welcome to the Craftsman dp club!

Yes, your motor is a resilient or cradle mount motor. I've never looked really hard, but I've never found an exact replacement for those Craftsman/Emerson rubber resilient mount rings. If they are not completely destroyed, you may try to reuse them by flipping them and rotate them 180 degrees.

4or 5 come up for dayton motors, (quick google search) may be able to adapt something.
https://www.google.com/search?clien...I68bkAhUFNKwKHYCmAbMQBQgvKAA&biw=1152&bih=527

 

[FrankLee]

Yesterday, I received and installed a set of stainless steel feed handle rods fabricated by oldironowner.

His fabrication skills are amazing! These rods fit perfectly and look great!

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If anyone is interested in stainless quill handles I machined, I am looking for $50 + shipping for a set of three. Available in 3/8-16 and 1/2-13 threads. Thanks!

Check his classified ad here:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43

 

[Outlawmws]

MW, is the vise drive hex or square? if square I've bet a mill vise handle would fit. These generally had a crank handle so not hard to make.

I once made one from some flat bar, two short pieces of angle (to make the square socket) a big bolt for the handle and a piece of pipe for the "spinner" on the handle!

If hex you could also just bend a wrench the requisite size, or bend up a breaker into a crank - lots of options...

 

[ClappedOutBport]

First, I found a replacement pully. The NOS motor turned out to be a dc motor. I ultimately popped for a 1/2 hp 3-phase NOS Lincoln that fits and should be more than satisfactory [3-ph is already in the shop]. The question I now have is what to use for a switch. I am thinking that the ability to reverse the motor would be nice, and am looking for as simple a control as is possible. Any suggestions?

If you have to have reverse you will need a drum switch. If not, Allen-Bradley Style push button switches have a very nice feel. Unless you intend to power tap, use left hand drills, or instant stop, I don't know if reverse will really be all that handy. I put a drum switch on my big drill press for tapping, but I'm not sure if these little ones are very ideal for that. Most run too fast for medium sized taps, and I don't like to power tap with tiny taps.

 

[bherren]

4or 5 come up for dayton motors, (quick google search) may be able to adapt something.
https://www.google.com/search?clien...I68bkAhUFNKwKHYCmAbMQBQgvKAA&biw=1152&bih=527

Thanks to all that replied. I feel confident I will be able to find one that works.
I will get exact measurements and post back if I am successful. Hopefully it will help someone in the future.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

MW, is the vise drive hex or square? if square I've bet a mill vise handle would fit. These generally had a crank handle so not hard to make.

I once made one from some flat bar, two short pieces of angle (to make the square socket) a big bolt for the handle and a piece of pipe for the "spinner" on the handle!

If hex you could also just bend a wrench the requisite size, or bend up a breaker into a crank - lots of options...

Outlaw,

Its 7/8" hex. I will try to see what I have to work with in my extra pile.

 

[cclfn]

Does anybody know if they made motor condoms for the Craftsman motors like they had for Delta motors. This one is off a delta but the hole spacing is a little off and it could be about a 1/4" longer. Were these made by the motor mfg's or the machine mfg's? I was hoping to keep my 150 pretty original if possible.
Thanks,
Wes

 

[FrankLee]

Does anybody know if they made motor condoms for the Craftsman motors like they had for Delta motors. This one is off a delta but the hole spacing is a little off and it could be about a 1/4" longer. Were these made by the motor mfg's or the machine mfg's? I was hoping to keep my 150 pretty original if possible.
Thanks,
Wes

I've never seen one on a Craftsman motor until the next style following the cast iron motors. Then they were plastic and not very good imo.


Early versions were a twist-on design. They often bent the tabs on the motor or shredded the plastic lip on the shaft guard.

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Later versions were held on with a plate and screw.

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[cclfn]

Yeah that doesn't add much for the kool look so I think I will just drill a new set of holes in one of the other Delta or Walker Turner's as I think I have a longer one somewhere.
Thanks for the input Frank!

 

[GreyEyes]

two questions (for now):
It is probably in this thread but I don't know the term to search for. The rubber piece shown near the motor shaft - What is it called and will I be able to find a replacement?
Thank you~

Search for "NEMA 48 Cradle mount resilient rings" and you will find options.

If your motor has the round or the hex hubs, replacements are available in most hub sizes. If your motor has a square hub replacements are no longer available.

You can get sheets of 1/2" thick rubber from McMaster and cut your own.

In a pinch I have made them from one of those black rubber floor mats, but I don't know if long term they would hold up.

 

[bsorcs]

If you have to have reverse you will need a drum switch. If not, Allen-Bradley Style push button switches have a very nice feel. Unless you intend to power tap, use left hand drills, or instant stop, I don't know if reverse will really be all that handy. I put a drum switch on my big drill press for tapping, but I'm not sure if these little ones are very ideal for that. Most run too fast for medium sized taps, and I don't like to power tap with tiny taps.

I picked up a new 1.5 hp-2 hp Electric Motor Reversing Drum Switch, 1 & 3 Phase, Position=Maintained. Wired into and out of the switch and into the motor. Motor is a 9-wire, so I wired it for low voltage...1-7, 2-8, 3-9, 4-5-6. When I started the motor, it hummed and ran very slowly w/o load. Starting and stopping [w/o reverse position] resulted in the motor running in opposite directions.

Whassup?

Have not checked continuities on the new motor yet; had to retrieve the clamp meter from home. I'll check the line leads as well and try to verify wiring into the line socket. Motor is new, so hopefully need for a meg-ohm meter is not an item.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

I picked up a new 1.5 hp-2 hp Electric Motor Reversing Drum Switch, 1 & 3 Phase, Position=Maintained. Wired into and out of the switch and into the motor. Motor is a 9-wire, so I wired it for low voltage...1-7, 2-8, 3-9, 4-5-6. When I started the motor, it hummed and ran very slowly w/o load. Starting and stopping [w/o reverse position] resulted in the motor running in opposite directions.

Whassup?

Have not checked continuities on the new motor yet; had to retrieve the clamp meter from home. I'll check the line leads as well and try to verify wiring into the line socket. Motor is new, so hopefully need for a meg-ohm meter is not an item.

Not a three phase master, so bear this with a grain of salt but:

Typically when you only have two legs of three phase the motor will not start, but will run. And it should always turn the same way on power, even if you change direction with it running (instant reverse). That leads me to believe that your drum switch wiring is ok, or at least not the primary issue.

Your wiring looks correct for low voltage wye. I'm pretty sure most motors I've dealt with were in the delta configuration of 1-7-6, 2-8-5, 3-9-5. You do have your legs hooked to the three two wire connections, right? I don't know if that would make a difference. Maybe someone with more 3-ph experience than I can chime in.

I do know that drum switches can be tricky to wire, as the have some inputs and outputs on the same side of the switch. It might not hurt to double check the diagram for it and make sure it matches what you did.

Edit: after some more reading, it seems like delta vs wye is chosen at the factory and not user changeable. (Weird, why have 9 wires then?) Maybe if you rewire it for delta it will work right. Just try to keep the smoke inside. GL.

https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/topics/motors/why-wye-why-delta

 

[454ragtop]

Frank,

I went ahead and picked up that vise table. It was really a fluke that it even worked out. I emailed the seller to see if he would ship it to me and he was willing to come half way to a town where a coworker lives. My friend picked it up after work yesterday. I got it for $35.00.

Your comment pushed me over the fence. I am glad I took your advice! This thing is a beast! It weighs in at 40lbs and is built like an absolute tank. I can tell its got some age to it and may even be close to my 100dp. If anyone knows what kind of handle I should get for this please let me know. I don't have a lot of experience with machinist style vises.

Thanks again

Lucky dog, I've lusted after one of those for years, you ****! It's made by Modern Machine Tool, they made them to fit most popular drill presses. More info here http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=125787&p=1407077&hilit=Modern#p1407077

 

[454ragtop]

I picked up a new 1.5 hp-2 hp Electric Motor Reversing Drum Switch, 1 & 3 Phase, Position=Maintained. Wired into and out of the switch and into the motor. Motor is a 9-wire, so I wired it for low voltage...1-7, 2-8, 3-9, 4-5-6. When I started the motor, it hummed and ran very slowly w/o load. Starting and stopping [w/o reverse position] resulted in the motor running in opposite directions.

Whassup?

Have not checked continuities on the new motor yet; had to retrieve the clamp meter from home. I'll check the line leads as well and try to verify wiring into the line socket. Motor is new, so hopefully need for a meg-ohm meter is not an item.

Kinda sounds like you have a 3 phase motor trying to run off single phase. Is that what's going on?

 

[GreyEyes]

Your wiring looks correct for low voltage wye. I'm pretty sure most motors I've dealt with were in the delta configuration of 1-7-6, 2-8-5, 3-9-5.

Little typo in your second set, should be 2-8-4