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Wow, very nice. I think you will find the Atlas to be slightly better built but they share many parts. You have the luxury of testing both and even combining the two to make the best machine possible.

Still, I wouldn't end up keeping either one since you have enough value there to step up to something better.

Gents. I posted a couple of weeks ago about a Atlas DP I stumbled across with a MSA. Very nice, all original, paid $100. Then last night on FBMP I see an ad for a Craftsman DP also with a MSA and it's 3 miles from me - $75. Was posted for 8 hrs so I figured it was gone bu no, and it's now mine. 101.03633. Very nice condition, original grey paint looks great, 1/3 HP (original?) Dunlap motor runs nice and quiet, no parts missing. And there was a nice Palmgren vise thrown in to boot. Thought you might enjoy the side by side pics. Not sure which one is better, they are both 1940s Atlas machines. Funny how these machines just kind find you sometimes, - Jim
 
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Craftsman Drill Press Spindle Press

I don't use my spindle press often, but when I need it, it's awesome!

Here's the quill/spindle assembly from dp#85. The spindle has already been pressed out about 4".



Here's the overall press set-up from each end.

 
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Re: DP#85, Craftsman #2432 Milling Vise

FrankLee

Just last week I finally acquired my first vintage press, a craftsman 100 bench top circa 49/50. It had what appears to be the same machinist vice you recently acquired as well. I can’t post pics until my post count is up, but if you have any tricks from reworking that vice id love to read about them.

Right now, I’m still focused on the DP. Disassembly complete and near all the parts are cleaned and polished. Just trying to source some parts before reassembling. A missing fiber washer for the motor, waiting on a quote from accurate bearing on the 3 sets, and the quill gasket / o-ring (still have any of those for purchase?)

Also, I need to express my gratitude for all the info you’ve shared in this thread. I don’t think I would have even embarked on this effort if it weren’t for the information here. It’s a true treasure trove. Thank you!

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Re: DP#85, Craftsman #2432 Milling Vise

Welcome to The Garage Journal and the Craftsman Drill Press thread!
FrankLee

Just last week I finally acquired my first vintage press, a craftsman 100 bench top circa 49/50.
Congrats on your find!

It had what appears to be the same machinist vice you recently acquired as well. I can’t post pics until my post count is up, but if you have any tricks from reworking that vice id love to read about them.
Those vises are nice and dismantle easily. You may have seen this post.

If you're dealing with rust, I highly recommend citric acid. It works as well as Evaporust and is so much cheaper. You should be able to get it at your grocery store.


Right now, I’m still focused on the DP. Disassembly complete and near all the parts are cleaned and polished. Just trying to source some parts before reassembling. A missing fiber washer for the motor, waiting on a quote from accurate bearing on the 3 sets, and the quill gasket / o-ring (still have any of those for purchase?)
You're missing the larger washer with the four holes? Or the felt washer? I believe I have spares of both. Yes, I have plenty of o-rings. Send me a pm when you're ready.

Also, I need to express my gratitude for all the info you’ve shared in this thread. I don’t think I would have even embarked on this effort if it weren’t for the information here. It’s a true treasure trove. Thank you!
Thanks for your comments.

ProJay
I'm looking forward to some pictures.

Besides bearings, what are your refurb plans?
 

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Re: DP#85, Craftsman #2432 Milling Vise

I'm looking forward to some pictures.

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She's got more than a few issues, but did start up an turn so I think the bones were good. Lots of pitting in the chrome pieces, which I'm not sure I can bring back. Labels are gone, but the stamped numbers were readable.
Obviously, missing the table as well. May my ebay searches prove fruitful.

Besides bearings, what are your refurb plans?

Polish and chrome up all the metal, but planning on leaving the original paint and patina on the cast iron. Phase 1 and 2 refurb on the motor in progress.

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Re: DP#85, Craftsman #2432 Milling Vise

She's got more than a few issues, but did start up an turn so I think the bones were good. Lots of pitting in the chrome pieces, which I'm not sure I can bring back. Labels are gone, but the stamped numbers were readable.
Obviously, missing the table as well. May my ebay searches prove fruitful.

Polish and chrome up all the metal, but planning on leaving the original paint and patina on the cast iron. Phase 1 and 2 refurb on the motor in progress.

Thanks for the pictures... they always help. You have made very good progress!

Your dp looks in very similar condition to my dp#85 and both are very close in age. My column, pinion shaft and feed handle rod are all moderately pitted. The chrome plating on every part is gone. However, that won't prevent a nice refurb. It will run like a new machine when done.

Both of ours have the closed-loop feed stop bracket. I'll be cutting mine again.

.... It had what appears to be the same machinist vice you recently acquired as well. I can’t post pics until my post count is up, but if you have any tricks from reworking that vice id love to read about them.
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I assumed you had a standard vise, and of course I was wrong.

I never had a milling vise before and was somewhat surprised as to how many parts there were. In many of my photos, you'll see red and blue bins. As I dismantled the milling vise, I used one bin for each "layer" of the vise and stacked them as I went. This really helped keep things organized. I also took pictures as I went and did have to refer to them during re-assembly.

The only issue I had was adjusting the upper gib and screws and jam nuts. That took the longest and mine still seems a little tight.
 

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It looks like the vise is actually missing from that rotary table. Interesting that they offered it without the "rotary feed" for $10 less.

Dave

If you look at the catalog page, there are two jaws that are mounted using the T-slots in the table.
 
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It looks like the vise is actually missing from that rotary table. Interesting that they offered it without the "rotary feed" for $10 less.

Dave
If you look at the catalog page, there are two jaws that are mounted using the T-slots in the table.
Yeah. It seems the jaws are missing most of the time.

There is one active auction on ebay... no jaws.
There are four sold auctions... two with jaws, two without.

Ebay search keywords "atlas milling". There re probably others.
 
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I was able to get in on a group buy of new rough castings for the jaws a couple of years ago. One day I'll get around to machining the faces, and drilling the parts that need it....
 

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Not sure yet if the model, but picked this up today. Not sure what it'll do since I have the little radial powerkraft that I got a few weeks ago to take care of light duties. Seems to need a start cap but it runs.

I always thought these bench top models were closer to the imports sold today, but they are closer to floor models than they are the little import bench tops. I probably should have bought one of these a long time ago.

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Not sure yet if the model, but picked this up today. Not sure what it'll do since I have the little radial powerkraft that I got a few weeks ago to take care of light duties. Seems to need a start cap but it runs.

I always thought these bench top models were closer to the imports sold today, but they are closer to floor models than they are the little import bench tops. I probably should have bought one of these a long time ago.

Dave
Those are nice machines. IIRC, the parallel slots date it to the mid-late '30s(?).
 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Here is a question. What would you pay for a Mohawk floor model 103.0304? I see 103.0303/5 fairly often, missing parts for $50-$75. Never seen the floor model.

Just wondering.
For me, quite a bit. It has been a Unicorn Item for me for a while. The head is the same, check the base to make sure nobody just put a bench model on a longer pile. For me, I wouldnt be as worried about the head, as I could simply swap my known good head onto it.
Finally able to cross this off my list...Story to come

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Got the drill press and some other assorted odds and ends. The table and head do *not* move, so I'll have to get both unstuck. Paint looks original... but the serial number plate has the same blue paint on it so I suspect it was overpainted at some point? Head badge is clean.

The electrical setup is somewhat scary - the cord to the housing is completely covered in electrical tape. When turning the switch on and off, sparks fly out. Oh, and best part, when I turned it off the switch didn't shut the motor off - had to toggle it a second time :D

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My grandpa passed away last year and he has one of these still sitting on his work bench. I have been considering a refurb, but was a little concerned with finding info. I am no longer worried now that I found this thread.
 
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Re: The Classic Craftsman 100/150 Drill Press

Reminds me of picking up my 100. Showed up in my Cadillac SRX and the guy says, uh, where's your truck? How are you going to get this home?

Dave

I was on the other end of one of those. Had a guy show up to buy one of my refurbs in a tiny little bmw coupe. He was absolutely against any disassembly to make it fit in his trunk. Took a lot of maneuvering but we eventually got it in there. Thank god it was a benchtop :)
 
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It looks like a fun project!
Got the drill press and some other assorted odds and ends. The table and head do *not* move, so I'll have to get both unstuck.
Yep, very common. It does look repainted and the locks were painted over. That and the cast lock cylinders are making it stuck.

Paint looks original... but the serial number plate has the same blue paint on it so I suspect it was overpainted at some point? Head badge is clean.
Motor base, nuts and bolts also painted over.

The electrical setup is somewhat scary - the cord to the housing is completely covered in electrical tape. When turning the switch on and off, sparks fly out. Oh, and best part, when I turned it off the switch didn't shut the motor off - had to toggle it a second time :D
Electrical clusterfucks are also somewhat common.
 
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My grandpa passed away last year and he has one of these still sitting on his work bench. I have been considering a refurb, but was a little concerned with finding info. I am no longer worried now that I found this thread.
Welcome! Please post some pictures when you're able.

Have you determined size and age?
 
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I was on the other end of one of those. Had a guy show up to buy one of my refurbs in a tiny little bmw coupe. He was absolutely against any disassembly to make it fit in his trunk. Took a lot of maneuvering but we eventually got it in there. Thank god it was a benchtop :)
I've had bench tops in the trunk of my Civic multiple times. Usually in pieces tho.
 

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It looks like a fun project!
Yes :p Just adding to my laundry list of projects, #1 of which is getting my electrical finished and inspected :D. I have a floor standing DP in good enough condition that I don't have any desire (yet) to refurb it, but this benchtop will be a rebuild.
 

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Well picked up a new project on FBMP today for $40. Its a 103.23641, Looks to be missing the original motor/mount and the feed stop rod/nuts. I had low expectations after the seller told me it would "trip the breakers", and the quill was very stiff and the spring mis-adjusted to push the quill down. Got it home re-wired the switch, lubed the quill and adjusted the spring and it surprisingly runs pretty smooth. Now to take it all apart and clean it up. Would like to find the proper motor mount.

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Well picked up a new project on FBMP today for $40. Its a 103.23641, Looks to be missing the original motor/mount and the feed stop rod/nuts. I had low expectations after the seller told me it would "trip the breakers", and the quill was very stiff and the spring mis-adjusted to push the quill down. Got it home re-wired the switch, lubed the quill and adjusted the spring and it surprisingly runs pretty smooth. Now to take it all apart and clean it up. Would like to find the proper motor mount.

Thanks
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Nice! I should be finishing up the same model this week.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8583116

The motor is not oe, but the motor mount is correct. Interesting stand!
 
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Yeah, I wonder what that stand was for? Table saw most likely.
I think I would swap out that motor unless it is rare/unusual.
 

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What does the metal top look like? The wood part was added. They have catalog entries for the stands, so you can often trace back to its original intent..
 

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Yeah, I wonder what that stand was for? Table saw most likely.
I think I would swap out that motor unless it is rare/unusual.

Yeah i'm gonna look for the proper motor and the missing part of the mount. The motor on it is a GE , i'm guessing someone just found one that would work. No way to easily adj the belt position the way it is. Not sure what that stand was from.The top was just added on, your probably correct a table saw would be about the correct height for it.

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I hope mine cleans up as well as yours! I'm missing half of the mount correct?
Your motor mount looks complete. Maybe you're referring to the motor base?

A very common Craftsman motor for these drill presses of that era is the Packard Electric manufactured model 115.6962.

 
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Yeah i'm gonna look for the proper motor and the missing part of the mount. The motor on it is a GE , i'm guessing someone just found one that would work. No way to easily adj the belt position the way it is. Not sure what that stand was from.The top was just added on, your probably correct a table saw would be about the correct height for it.

JG
The pedestal part casting numbers and the machines they belong to are documented here:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450890
 
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So, yes to those who spotted the headstock sitting near the floor base. This is the ultra-rare 103.0304, which is believed to only have been made in 1942 and shipped directly to store. It does not show up in any catalog. This is the history behind my search. Long story ahead, machine details will be in a following post.

This search started about 10-11 years ago, when I was living in Pittsburgh. Got a 103.0303 (benchtop version) from a mechanics shop off a CL ad. There were no pictures, and simply said "Old vintage drill press, $30". Which could mean just about anything in the rust belt. Had the pulley cover, but was missing the vertical Craftsman nameplate. Finally, I figured out what it was by the model tag (originally covered in grease). One of the first larger tools I bought out of college. Once I started looking into it, and read about the floor model, I knew that would be the unicorn search and eventual keeper. Meanwhile, the little benchtop has been a workhorse this entire time

Maybe a couple of years ago, a buddy sent me a CL link to what appeared to be a 0304, for a premium price, considering condition (IIRC, it was about $250-300, and decently rough looking). Drove out to one of the sketchiest houses I have ever been to, in the middle of nowhere, to find the reason it was tall was they had coupled two different columns together (neither was oem), and had a patio umbrella base.Needless to say, I passed.

I did see one other one listed about a year ago, again pretty rough shape. Guy wanted $450, and wouldnt budge, as he knew how rare they were. As much as I had been searching, at heart I couldnt justify paying that for what was mostly a carcass.

And now the fun circumstances around this saga:

My 6yo son just left on Tuesday morning for Camp Grandma for a week, and we are ripping out a bathroom down to the studs, moving all the plumbing, and then tiling and hopefully being able to finish everything in about a week. Dumpster showed up Wed morning.

Same Tuesday, I had spotted a industrial shop liquidating a few things, and was able to snag a DoAll 16" bandsaw for $100. I didnt actually know exactly what it was, but it looked big, and they said it ran, so for $100, pretty safe bet. Talked my wife into letting me go grab it. Of course, what was supposed to be 2.5hrs turned into about 4-5hrs. So she was already not happy with me when I finally got home When I was talking with the guy and loading it up, a friend sends me a text that just says "Start driving" and a Craigslist link. Open it up, and my heart stops for a second. WORST POSSIBLE TIMING! Finished up loading and called my friend. He was nice enough to talk with the seller, and get some details for me. They were cleaning out Dad's house, and needed it gone by the weekend.

Also, it was on the other side of Colorado, about a 5hr drive one-way.

At this point, my mind starts to run thru possibilities. How can I somehow make this work? What if I wake up at 2-3am, leave and be back noon? Or leave at 3-4, and get back past midnight? I get home (remember, my wife already isnt happy), and try to break the news gently. Doesnt go great, but I finally convince her that if I am willing to drive this far, it must be big deal. So in return for not buying (or even allowed to browse CL or FB) until early August, I got permission to go on Wed. at a decent time, so I could be rested enough to keep working the next day.

Woke up, packed some snacks and did some quick demo on the bathroom. Dumpster was supposed to get dropped off at 10ish, so I told the guy I should arrive by 4 (figured I would leave by 11 at the latest). All went according to plan, and I was on my way at 11. About 2:30-3hrs in, all of a sudden I hit stopped traffic on I-70. In a valley between mountains with no service... Turns out that right before a tunnel where they were already doing construction, there was an accident/fire, and shut down the highway...

FOR TWO HOURS! For those who dont know Colorado, a detour would have taken at least 3.5hrs to go around, even if I knew about it beforehand. Instead, I was stuck with everyone else, with all of our cars off, and people stretching and taking walks. During this time, 4pm was quickly approaching. The only thing going thru my head was that if I drove 3hrs, then got stuck for 2hrs, only for this guy to think I was a No-Show and sell it, I was going to lose my mind. One of the people near me was able to get some texts in and out semi-successfully. He was nice enough to text the seller and just say "Accident in Glenwood Canyon, Drill press buyer still on his way". Everything cleared up and I could get service at about 4:15. Called the seller, who was fine with the delay. With that weight off, called my wife to let her know I had gotten stuck, but was moving again.

Btw, first text I get once I get service again? From my friend, reading "Hows the drive going?"...

Finally arrive to the seller about 630. Look over the press (even though in my mind, I am not leaving without it unless something is VERY WRONG). All looks great. I asked if there was anything else they were trying to get rid of, as I had seen a Long C grinder next to it in the listing (see attachment). Turns out they were going to keep that, but I got a 15x18 webbed surface plate. The guy tells me that the drill press is pretty heavy, so I should back up as close as I can. Once we verified it was running, and I paid him, I asked if I could borrow a flathead screwdriver. Removed the two screws on the motor mount that prevent removal, wiggled motor off, dropped it off in the trunk. Head removal was next, and was a breeze, same with the table. Lastly, I just picked up the column and base, and loaded it. The couple were just staring at me slack-jawed. Turns out they also live near Denver (about an hour from me), but because it was so heavy, they didnt feel like it was worth it trying to get it home...

Part of me was upset they had me drive 5hrs to pick it up, instead of an hour, but I also had a feeling it wouldnt have been for sale if it made the trip. So in the end, it worked out. Right before I left, he asked me both what it was worth, and why I was willing to drive so far for it. I told him that I see very clean drill presses sell for about 200-250 in Denver and then told them the history of this unit. Explained that it was not the capacity or features that made me want it, but rather the "cool old tool" factor. They asked if I was interested in some other stuff, and was invited to their yardsale in August. Got back in the car, drove home and arrived bust before midnight. 13hrs total on the road, and about 620 miles round tip. Easily qualifies as the furthest I have travelled for a machine, and probably will stand for quite some time.

And the best part...Is that it still fits in the overall "purchasing plan" for the garage. What started out as happenstance has become a trend and now almost an unspoken mandate. All large power tools were purchased below original list/catalog price (not inflation compensated, but ad price).This includes everything including the Knee Mill, Metal Lathe, Unisaw, both bandsaws (12, 18"), grinders, sanders, etc.

So if I count the motor on it as being the pricing of a DP with motor, it still qualifies for under original retail. 103.0303 pricing (benchtop) was 39.95, Atlas benchtop was 44.95 (so a $5 difference). The Atlas floor model with a 1/2hp motor (which this has, but it is a 1950 motor) was 65.95. Subtract the $5 "premium" for industrial duty (Atlas) vs heavy duty (Mohawk), and I am at 60.95...And the machine was $60. I do have a period correct Long C motor to put on the back.

Interesting factoid...The floor model without a motor was 48.95 (so $4 difference between bench and floor model), but to add a motor was between $13-17 (bench offered 1/3, floor was 1/2 offered).

The attached picture is from the ad. I will detail the good/bad in another post, and plan on doing a full tear-down with documentation, along with my '47 CM 100 DP That way people can see similarities and differences. I am also keeping the '47, as I have a vari-slow to mount on the top.

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Your motor mount looks complete. Maybe you're referring to the motor base?

A very common Craftsman motor for these drill presses of that era is the Packard Electric manufactured model 115.6962.


OK Thanks....the motor base is what i was referring to.
 

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I love hearing these “quest” stories!


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So, yes to those who spotted the headstock sitting near the floor base. This is the ultra-rare 103.0304, which is believed to only have been made in 1942 and shipped directly to store. It does not show up in any catalog. This is the history behind my search. Long story ahead, machine details will be in a following post.

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Wow!

Quite a few anxious moments that many of us can relate to. Also, an understanding wife. I'm as lucky.

Good story. Looking forward to more about the machine.
 
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