Does this wire crimp tool exist?

[5ubtle]

I have several crimp tools similar to this:


It has 3 crimping dies for "open barrel, uninsulated crimps", but they are between the pivot and the grips.

Does a similar tool exist that has those 3 crimping dies in front of the pivot (like so)?

 

[Old Man Roger]

I feel like that is the more common design.

 

[CoogarXR]

Problem with having the crimper on the end is leverage. There is more leverage on the inside.

But they make them.

Actually, I prefer a "ratchet crimper". It has the crimp action on the open end, and it won't release until the crimp is complete. I have this Xcelite model that I use quite a bit:

 

[whateg01]

Problem with having the crimper on the end is leverage. There is more leverage on the inside.

The leverage is not determined by which side of the pivot the crimping happens on. It's just the distance from the pivot.

 

[whateg01]

You mean like these at Lowe's?

 

[CoogarXR]

The leverage is not determined by which side of the pivot the crimping happens on. It's just the distance from the pivot.

But isn't there some loss in the flexing of the cheap metal? When the crimp jaws are closer to the pressure being applied at the handle, you'd think it would be stronger than way out on the end. I'm no physics major, just wingin' it here.

 

[5ubtle]

Actually, I prefer a "ratchet crimper". It has the crimp action on the open end, and it won't release until the crimp is complete. I have this Xcelite model that I use quite a bit:

Thanks for the response. I have that crimper also. I am looking for non ratcheting.

 

[5ubtle]

You mean like these at Lowe's?

No, that's what I already have.

 

[assassin10000]

I'm not a fan of that style crimper. Get a set of kleins or channel lock crimpers (I've had both, and a south wire as well).

I actually prefer my matco ones but its 2.5x the price. It has a relief that works well with insulated connectors that the others don't.

 

[5ubtle]

I'm not a fan of that style crimper. Get a set of kleins or channel lock crimpers.

I actually prefer my matco ones but its 2.5x the price.

Thanks for the response. I have that crimper also. I am looking for multiple crimping dies ahead of the pivot.

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[assassin10000]

Thanks for the response. I have that crimper also. I am looking for multiple crimping dies ahead of the pivot.

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I think klein had a set with 2 ahead of the pivot. Just not that style.

This one:

Crimping and Cutting Tool for Non-Insulated Terminals - 1006 | Klein Tools

Klein Tools Crimping and Cutting Tool is designed for crimping non-insulated solderless terminals and connectors. Wire cutter in nose specially hardened for durability. Tapered nose allows you to work in confined spaces.

www.kleintools.com

 

[5ubtle]

I think klein had a set with 2 ahead of the pivot. Just not that style.

This one:

Crimping and Cutting Tool for Non-Insulated Terminals - 1006 | Klein Tools

Klein Tools Crimping and Cutting Tool is designed for crimping non-insulated solderless terminals and connectors. Wire cutter in nose specially hardened for durability. Tapered nose allows you to work in confined spaces.

www.kleintools.com

Now we're getting somewhere. I do like that one. If there is one with 3 (or more) dies ahead of the pivot, that would be even better.

 

[whateg01]

Thanks for the response. I have that crimper also. I am looking for multiple crimping dies ahead of the pivot.

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Dang it I had them backwards

 

[assassin10000]

Now we're getting somewhere. I do like that one. If there is one with 3 (or more) dies ahead of the pivot, that would be even better.

1.5-6.0mm2 Terminal Crimping Tool

www.fixfirm.com

These are from the japenese mfg engineer, pa-01

PA-01 Multi Function Crimp Tool - Engineer Inc Japan

PA-01 Multi Function Crimping Tool 6-in-1 multi-purpose stripper. This is a high quality, versatile crimp, stripper and cutter manufactured by Engineer Inc

rhinotools.com.au

 

[5ubtle]

assassin10k - That's it. Thank you.
Now, if only I could find that one at fixfirm available in the US for about $25 (or less). The PA-01 looks great, but I'm not sure I want to spend $50+ on one.

 

[Old Man Roger]

I had no idea mine were so rare, I've had these for decades. Pretty sure I bought these in the 80's, probably a CAP auto parts store.

 

[dnschmidt]

The only thing weird about them is that the bare terminal dies are on the front and the insulated dies are behind the pivot which is opposite from normal. Other than that they seem pretty normal. Look on the Ideal website.

 

[Tynee]

I don't know if it helps, but I'm pretty happy with this one from Carlyle. $25 at Napa:

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/CHTWSCCP?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google_monthly-special_202210&store=28162&campaign=GSC-Promos&campaign_id=6478906937&adgroup_id=78844950918&adtype=pla&gclid=CjwKCAiA9qKbBhAzEiwAS4yeDSsHWjGvdO1GdTtYcEcfLxU6iKUoZCsFer4dzXkcHUDTz9LdkB7j6xoCkAoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&

 

[5ubtle]

I had no idea mine were so rare, I've had these for decades. Pretty sure I bought these in the 80's, probably a CAP auto parts store.

Thanks Old Man Roger. I think that I'll try to get an old, used pair.

 

[four.cycle]

Vaco, Klein, and ProAmerica all make (or made) those.


Klein 1001 wire tool

Proamerica 5032 9-inch crimping plier with cutter

* Klein makes ALL KINDS of different models. Not just the 1001.

VACO was purchased by Klein over a decade ago, so any VACO is going to be old stock. Check ebay - there's tons of VACO on there.

BK

 

[Tool Using Animal]

I've tried a bunch of them. Ratcheting, non-ratcheting, Snap-on PWCS7ACF ... the best one I've found so far is the Channellock 909. Gives consistent solid connection, even when using the cheapest terminals. I only use the "non-insulated" position on both insulated and non-insulated connections because it produces the best results.

 

[assassin10000]

I've tried a bunch of them. Ratcheting, non-ratcheting, Snap-on PWCS7ACF ... the best one I've found so far is the Channellock 909. Gives consistent solid connection, even when using the cheapest terminals. I only use the "non-insulated" position on both insulated and non-insulated connections because it produces the best results.

The 909 is very nice. It's also rebadged by Cornwell iirc. My second favorite.

The only one I like better is the Matco.


Unless we're talking open barrel connectors. I have the engineer pad-11 (+12 & 13 dies too) for those.

 

[richfinn]

I have several crimp tools similar to this:


It has 3 crimping dies for "open barrel, uninsulated crimps", but they are between the pivot and the grips.

Does a similar tool exist that has those 3 crimping dies in front of the pivot (like so)?

Knipex make 5 different versions, all relatively inexpensive but really great quality compared to cheap imitations (they are twice as thick don't flex and everything lines up perfectly as you would expect)

I've ditched my ratchet crimpers as they are just too bulky for automotive work, I prefer these for reach and "feel"

I use the version with the insulated crimper at the nose in front of the pivot (which work great on heat shrink splices) but this version might work better for you (I might end up buying all 5 versions I like them that much)

It's always going to be a compromise with multi purpose tools but just pick the version that suits you best.

Mine have metric strippers, since I work on Eurotrash, might be a deal breaker for you,

If you go to the bottom of the link you can swipe across and compare all 5 versions and pick what you need

Crimping Pliers

Zum Kabelschneiden, Abisolieren von Adern und Crimpen von unisolierten Quetschkabelschuhen nach DIN 46234, Mit Gewindelöchern zum Abschneiden von Cu- oder Ms-Gewin...

www.knipex.com

 

[assassin10000]

Knipex make 5 different versions, all relatively inexpensive but really great quality compared to cheap imitations (they are twice as thick don't flex and everything lines up perfectly as you would expect)

I've ditched my ratchet crimpers as they are just too bulky for automotive work, I prefer these for reach and "feel"

I use the version with the insulated crimper at the nose in front of the pivot (which work great on heat shrink splices) but this version might work better for you (I might end up buying all 5 versions I like them that much)

It's always going to be a compromise with multi purpose tools but just pick the version that suits you best.

Mine have metric strippers, since I work on Eurotrash, might be a deal breaker for you,

If you go to the bottom of the link you can swipe across and compare all 5 versions and pick what you need

Crimping Pliers

Zum Kabelschneiden, Abisolieren von Adern und Crimpen von unisolierten Quetschkabelschuhen nach DIN 46234, Mit Gewindelöchern zum Abschneiden von Cu- oder Ms-Gewin...

www.knipex.com

Those are nice. Forgot knipex may have them.


Also saw these:

Crimping Pliers for wire ferruleswith mandrel crimp

Zum Verpressen von Aderendhülsen nach DIN 46228 Teil 1 + 4 im Bereich von 0,25 bis 16 mm², Verpressung in gekennzeichneten Halbrundprofilen für die sichere Verbind...

www.knipex.com

 

[vssjim]

I'm not a fan of that style crimper. Get a set of kleins or channel lock crimpers (I've had both, and a south wire as well).

I actually prefer my matco ones but its 2.5x the price. It has a relief that works well with insulated connectors that the others don't.

Thomas and Betts is where these come from insulated and non-insulated styles

 

[Steve_P]

I have Vaco and Ideal stripper/crimpers like what OP is looking for. The Vaco has red handles, is for metric, and is ~25 years old; the Ideal has yellow handles and is for inch/AWG. I never use them (I didn't buy either of them). I much prefer a set of dedicated Klien strippers and a dedicated crimper - in my case, the Channellock 909. I've almost totally moved on from Channellock to Knipex, NWS, etc, but I love my CL 909 crimper and linesman plier.

 

[assassin10000]

Thomas and Betts is where these come from insulated and non-insulated styles

Good to know.

And it was cheaper through Matco when I bought them than most online shops. Probably one of the few times the truck was a better 'deal'.

 

[darkzero]

I was on the same boat but I gave up looking for something I liked for the price I was ok paying.

When I came across the Knipex that had the 3 non insulated closed barrel crimpers in front of the pivot I was excited and cause I wanted something with a screw cutter for metric screws.

I ordered these. I was very disappointed in them especially for the price, returned them & ordered a second one, it was no better. They were by far the worst quality Knipex tool I have ever purchased. They're not made in Germany, which I wouldn't have cared if they were decent quality, but they weren't. I believe they are made in Taiwan but they sure didn't seem like it. I swear the black part on the ones I got were painted, flaking in some areas & the markings were silkscreened. Seen other reviews that were consistent.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EXOZYK/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I just went back to using my Bluepoint that I modified and my Thomas & Betts that I've been using for 20 yrs now.

 

[Walkers]

Knipex 97-21-215

 

[darkzero]

This is the style I believe what the OP is looking for as was I. It's the one I was talking about in my prev post. Very disappointed in them & couldn't believe they bear the Knipex name.

 

[Walkers]

This is the style I believe what the OP is looking for as was I. It's the one I was talking about in my prev post. Very disappointed in them & couldn't believe they bear the Knipex name.

The OP is cocksure that he wants a stamped sheet metal tool over a far superior forged Klein, Sta-Kon, etc. I have several similar pairs that I have given away because I never use them.

 

[5ubtle]

Knipex make 5 different versions, all relatively inexpensive but really great quality compared to cheap imitations (they are twice as thick don't flex and everything lines up perfectly as you would expect) ...

Thanks. I like the 97 21 215 C. Do you have personal experience with that model? darkzero said above that his experience was not good.

 

[darkzero]

The OP is cocksure that he wants a stamped sheet metal tool over a far superior forged Klein, Sta-Kon, etc. I have several similar pairs that I have given away because I never use them.

The Bluepoint that I modified is one of those types. It has been working fine for my needs but the only thing I use it for is crimping red & blues. Everything else on it is useless to me, I hate the strippers below the pivot & I hate tools that have the crimper below the pivot.

My good ol trusty Thomas & Betts that Matco sold me are far superior but surprisingly I find myself using my Bluepoints more.

 

[darkzero]

Thanks. I like the 97 21 215 C. Do you have personal experience with that model? darkzero said above that his experience was not good.

Perhaps functionally they are fine, I didn't even bother to try em. They just looked & felt so cheap to me, even the Knipex logo was chipping off on one of them. The handles didn't even feel like their comfort grips (didn't care about that though). Again I don't like strippers or crimpers below the pivot but the strippers on those being marked in metric bothered me too, the crimper part not so much.

They seemed like they were knock offs or something to me. Are fake Knipex even a thing? Never heard of fake Knipex. I'm a fan of Knipex & I love all the Knipex that I own but the 2 that I got were disappointing for what they charge for them.

 

[whateg01]

but the strippers on those being marked in metric bothered me too, the crimper part not so much..

Weird that a European tool would be metric...

 

[darkzero]

Weird that a European tool would be metric...

Yeah who wudda thunk?

I wasn't implying that I didn't know, didn't care about the strippers anyway. The new crimpers I got recently are metric too but again don't care. Only wanted the Knipex for the crimper & metric screw cutter (which I'm not a fan of using anyway). What I didn't expect is something from Knipex to be so poor quality cause I've never experienced that before. But then again even made in USA don't mean shiet anymore. Now I know.

 

[hans109h]

So expensive, but so worth it. I never had a need for good crimps, or so I thought, until I started building antennas and working with coax for amateur radio. That's when I got myself a DMC crimper. I think they are typically for aviation, but they have interchangable dies similar to the ratcheting styles.

The price tag probably reflects the fact they they are used for mission critical tasks. I was lucky to get mine at an auction where everyone else must have thought it was a fancy nutcracker!

 

[richfinn]

Thanks. I like the 97 21 215 C. Do you have personal experience with that model? darkzero said above that his experience was not good.

I'll post up some pics of my version so you can decide on quality, like the guy says he never actually tried using them, just didn't like the look??

 

[silkman]

Knipex 97-21-215

Thanks. I like the 97 21 215 C. Do you have personal experience with that model? darkzero said above that his experience was not good.

9722240 has both styles in one tool

 

[GerMec]

Look for Hozan or MCT if you want something universal...