Frank Mossberg Pressed Steel Socket Sets

[chasinfram]

A little further dig and I think that is a socket set from cmb

Thanks for the digging! Nice work!

 

[chasinfram]

A spark plug socket, 1-5/32, with a closed top. Totally unmarked. Came with a mixed set of Mossberg, RAY and no name pressed steel sockets. Doesn’t quite fit the Mossberg ratchet, but you can adapt with an additional socket.
Any ideas of the origin of such a socket?
Also with the set was this socket spinner, 1/2” drive opening.

 

[LesserSon]

I have a bunch of those sockets and have not figured who made them or when. They don’t seem as old as the open-at-both-ends type.

 

[four.cycle]

I really really want to buy this set. I this a Mossberg flex handle?

No.
C.M.B / C.M.B. Wrench Co., Syracuse, NY (later Garwood, NJ) / est. 1909 / patent 845716 Feb 26 1907 & 845717 Feb 26 1907 & 853930 Mar 15 1910 & 952435 Mar 15 1910 & 952436 Mar 15 1910 Charles Miller / see also Miller & Silverman / http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers.html#cmb-wrench / "Auto Queen" "Silver King" /

Patent 952435 Mar 10 1910 Charles Miller

 

[chasinfram]

Thanks four.cycle, good eyes!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

After a quick search on the internet, Alloy Artifacts.org identified this as a flex extension made by C.M.B wrench company

A little further dig and I think that is a socket set from cmb

You nailed it, @Ayrhead!

I’m wondering if the sockets are Mossberg or perhaps a different manufacturer

Hard to tell from the angle, but chances are C.M.B., given the overall context, and you can just make out the telltale large raised (forged-in) fraction marking on a couple of them, which is a convention Miller liked to use in all the corporate iterations of his productivity, including my Syracuse and Charles Miller sets.

 

[chasinfram]

You nailed it, @Ayrhead!

Hard to tell from the angle, but chances are C.M.B., given the overall context, and you can just make out the telltale large raised (forged-in) fraction marking on a couple of them, which is a convention Miller liked to use in all the corporate iterations of his productivity, including my Syracuse and Charles Miller sets.

Hello Dr. Lugnutz,
Is it ok for me to post a marketplace ad on the forum? It’s not mine, it the CMB ad that the guy won’t reply to me. Maybe someone in PA would buy this for themselves. It’s a good price.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Is it ok for me to post a marketplace ad on the forum?

I refrain, because I generally like to separate technical and historical discussion from buying and selling (and appreciate Ryan separating Classifieds from the discussion forums a long time ago), but I have seen other members post links for sales on ebay, FBMP, and other sites. I don't know if it's considered "okay" or not, though, and I am not a moderator.

 

[chasinfram]

I refrain, because I generally like to separate technical and historical discussion from buying and selling (and appreciate Ryan separating Classifieds from the discussion forums a long time ago), but I have seen other members post links for sales on ebay, FBMP, and other sites. I don't know if it's considered "okay" or not, though, and I am not a moderator.

Thanks bro Tooler.

 

[Cruzan80]

@chasinfram , you can always grab the pictures from the link (if there are others) and the title to post here. It would help others doing future research with more pictures, and if someone who is local wants to try and search for it, they can choose to do so.

 

[chasinfram]

Hi all!
I obtained what I consider an anomaly (for me) in a random set of mismatched vintage sockets. It s this round pressed steel socket branded Mossberg. It doesn’t seem heavy enough to be from their beefier set. Somebody please educate me!
I’m showing it together with the same size from my #10 set.

 

[MR.X]

Nice little box. Kind of a mix of sockets.

 

[Steven 33]

Mossberg 331 T handle. For some reason I can't seem to find any others

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I don't recall seeing another example. Only in catalogs. It was considered and marketed as an accessory, like the offset (or "L") handle and the speeder. There were a couple special sets that came with the offset and the speeder, but I've only ever seen the No. 331 in a large merchandising cabinet. Again, in catalogs.

 

[Ayrhead]

Mossberg 331 T handle. For some reason I can't seem to find any others

Nice Find!!

 

[Steven 33]

I don't recall seeing another example. Only in catalogs. It was considered and marketed as an accessory, like the offset (or "L") handle and the speeder. There were a couple special sets that came with the offset and the speeder, but I've only ever seen the No. 331 in a large merchandising cabinet. Again, in catalogs.

I did a little digging and apparently it's In a newer no 14 set I believe. As well as the 422 that I have and a few other oddballs. I've been trying to identify these wrenches on the left. I'm told the numbered ones on the right are from a 1914 set

 

[Steven 33]

Nice Find!!

Must have had it for a couple years now ha never even tried to look it up until recently when trying to clear out some space.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I did a little digging and apparently it's In a newer no 14 set I believe.

I see it now. In a No. 14 that came in the same style metal attache case that the No. 82 came in. The cool thing about that is the No. 82 was the Professional line stuff, when they moved to hot-forged cold-broached just before merging with APCO. That would be a cool set to find. With only the case (made by Kennedy - I didn't note that before, I'll have to PM that to the Southern Tool King I moved mine on to...) being in common. Talk about a transition period overlap, check out this ad from 1928, where they are still selling the old No. 14 pressed steel tools right alongside the newer compositions/constructions.

 

[Steven 33]

I see it now. In a No. 14 that came in the same style metal attache case that the No. 82 came in. The cool thing about that is the No. 82 was the Professional line stuff, when they moved to hot-forged cold-broached just before merging with APCO. That would be a cool set to find. With only the case (made by Kennedy - I didn't note that before, I'll have to PM that to the Southern Tool King I moved mine on to...) being in common. Talk about a transition period overlap, check out this ad from 1928, where they are still selling the old No. 14 pressed steel tools right alongside the newer compositions/constructions.

When I was doing some digging i also found this set. The T is definitely in the wrong place but I was thinking it's possible it did go with the set. Especially considering it's only 1 of 2 of the 331 T handles I found on worthpoint

 

[Private Lugnutz]

When I was doing some digging i also found this set. The T is definitely in the wrong place but I was thinking it's possible it did go with the set.

Not sure how it can be "definitely in the wrong place" and "possible it did go with the set" at the same time... ... but I'm going with the former. I've never seen it advertised in a wood box No. 14 - or any other wood box set.

 

[Steven 33]

Not sure how it can be "definitely in the wrong place" and "possible it did go with the set" at the same time... ... but I'm going with the former. I've never seen it advertised in a wood box No. 14 - or any other wood box set.

It actually looks like it fits okay there, but what I meant was that I would assume if it went with that case that it wouldn't be in the tray thing

 

[Private Lugnutz]

If you ever find an ad in a trade mag showing a No. 331 in any wood box set, post it.

 

[Steven 33]

If you ever find an ad in a trade mag showing a No. 331 in any wood box set, post it.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks. What year is it from?

 

[Steven 33]

Thanks. What year is it from?

1924 cat no 25

 

[Private Lugnutz]

^ Thanks.