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rlwhitetr3b
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You have to be willing to leave it there until you need to pay your taxes. Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket.
Nighttrain
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Very true! We put ours into its own account and watch it grow, then in December BAM we write a Christmas check to the county. At least we earn a bit of interest on it than allowing the bank to earn it for the year. That interest we earn usually buys us sever items off the dollar menu at Mc D's
So Bill what I understand is you own the home? That puts you ahead of about 70% of all americans. Thats one to be proud of. No get your house to look like the other 99% of americans and get'er cleaned up!
One way to do that is to make it harder to withdraw that money. Set up a separate account. Dont get checks or an ATM card for it, and dont allow electronic withdrawal. You can set it up so that you can electronically deposit into it each month. That makes the money difficult to access on a whim. You need to make the effort to actually go to the bank to get at that money.
Bill, I must admit this past week I was frustrated/disapointed at the direction things had turned. The upside (assuming you aren't bullshitting us, or sugar coating it) is that Julie is coming around. Aside from Tony and Brian being put off, what progress has been made? Are you taking advantage you your 1yd per day trailer load at the dump? have you been working on the path to the basement, and the basement itself?
-Jeff
So now I am a bit confused. If you don't have a mortgage payment yet you owe for property taxes, I assume you own the house and should be able to at least borrow something from the equity, no? I mean even if the house was worth only 30,000, you could still theoretically borrow $24K (80% LTV) and then you'd have money to pay credit cards, repairs etc......
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Kevin54
MEMBER EMERITUS
Hello Bill. Another week has came and went. Any progress on tackling the basement or anything other room of the house? It's getting cold down this way and they are talking a chance of snow flurries maybe tomorrow. I imagine up your way it is a little worse with Lake Effect snows and cold winds. Do you think you'll have water and heat by years end?
BlueSuedeShoe
Member
We own a house and an appartment. Combined worth is around € 350.000 (almost half a million Dollars). We're paying 500 Euro ($ 700) a year in taxes!
Since we also got 2000 Euro/year for the first 8 years after moving into our own house it's actually nothing for the first 32 years.
We own a house and an appartment. Combined worth is around € 350.000 (almost half a million Dollars). We're paying 500 Euro ($ 700) a year in taxes!
Since we also got 2000 Euro/year for the first 8 years after moving into our own house it's actually nothing for the first 32 years.
Yes, but I am sure there are other kinds of taxes or tax rates that you have that we just don't deal with here.
But yes, property and excise taxes here are criminal.
Kevin54
MEMBER EMERITUS
So Bill, are you making any headway at all on things, or just kind of ignoring it? I'm just curious. You gonna get the water or heat going anytime soon?
BlueSuedeShoe
Member
I'm just amazed because I thought that owning property in the US was cheap. At least in those states that are not the ones where everyone wants to live. It oviously isn't.
We do have lots more taxes, they gotta get their money somewhere...
I assume those taxes are similar to yours.
When we bought the house we payed about 5% of the house price in taxes and other costs. Every month we pay 25 to 30 % of the income for taxes, pension, health insurance, unimployment insurance, care insurance, church taxes, that idiotic bonus for the eastern German states...
And in case we inherit a large sum of money, or whatever, we have to pay too.
Of course the cars cost money. Ours are 200 Euro/year. Don't know about the taxes on gas, but they are pretty high!
When we go shopping we pay either 7% or 19% depending on what we buy. But those taxes are already included in the price that's on the price tag. You don't have to add it to your bill.
Sorry Bill, I didn't mean to mess up your thread! I hope the two of you are doing good and making progress! Wish you the best
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for asking. Been on and off raining every other day. Lost a circuit on the fuse panel. We call it "Old Sparky". Needs replacing. It's the circuit for downstairs including the garage and kitchen so fridge had to be run off an upstairs circuit and extension cord. Another problem to solve. Makes working in the garage and cooking harder. I can rig temp. lights but can't run elec. heater.
Got the Bridgeport head into the garage. Got the Bridgeport ram into the back hall (That is a heavy beast). Took 6 more bins out of the spare bedroom. Took out 4 more industrial plastic trash bags of clothes to wash. Got buckets of water this morning. Getting colder and lots of leaves falling (The price of lots of trees). Went a week without pop. Put a new cap and rotor on the Astro Van. Gonna replace plugs and wires and do back brakes too (Before it gets too cold).
Today Julie asked if I needed help with the Bridgeport stuff or garage or anything else. I will employ her!
OK I just wasn't sure if you were still committed to the project. Sounds like you are but strictly at your own pace and efforts....not sure there is much for anyone else to do other than wish you the best.
couchmechanic
Well-known member
Hey Bill, When you finally do clear some floor space? Snap a picture and post it, Bet you a hundred guys will be cheering you! Couchmechanic
Kevin54
MEMBER EMERITUS
Well, I'm for one giving up on you Bill as I suppose some others are going to do also. I don't want to sound like a ****, but you don't have priorities and are just screwing around. You've gotten some attention and the fun of it all has worn off. If you were really commited to getting something done, you wouldn't be in the bedroom messing around with six tubs, or screwing around with the Bridgeport ram or 4 trashbags full of dirty clothes. Jeezus Pete, that is about an hours work and you dicked around and stretch it out to a week. Concentration should have been in the basement and nowhere else. You pissed a few people off that were willing to bend over backwards to help you, you have no water, and you have sewer problems, and you're out in the garage for God sakes. I would have congratulated you if you said something like you got the complete basement cleared out this week. You're running your refridgerator off of an extension cord. You have electrical problems now. Maybe it's the rats and mice have chewed through the wiring. Did you ever think of that? I'm sorry Bill, but I for one am not congratulating you on one thing. The others might wear the kid gloves but mine are off. Go ahead and tell the people what you have bought even though everyone is thinking that you have been doing good by not buying anything. I'm pretty sure that when time should have been spent in the basement it was spent at maybe rummage sales, garage sales, picking up an item or two you bought off of CL. It's a little more fun to turn your back on work and go to a sale anyways.
JC23
Well-known member
OK, Bill. I'll be the bad guy. Unless you can prove me wrong, you're not heading in what is clearly your best direction. All the info you need to go in your best direction is in this thread.
It's about priorities and you're either missing or sidestepping them. When I have a big task or many tasks, I make a list based on priority or importance. It doesn't look like you are doing that, preferring instead, as others have said, to focus on tasks of lessor importance.
So I'll ask the 800 lb gorilla question - why isn't heat, water and now electricity your top priority?
Don't answer me, answer yourself.
Hope you do this. You DO have all the pieces!
It's about priorities and you're either missing or sidestepping them. When I have a big task or many tasks, I make a list based on priority or importance. It doesn't look like you are doing that, preferring instead, as others have said, to focus on tasks of lessor importance.
So I'll ask the 800 lb gorilla question - why isn't heat, water and now electricity your top priority?
Don't answer me, answer yourself.
Hope you do this. You DO have all the pieces!
fergus
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Hey Bill,
I just went and got a glass of water from the tap. Then I went and flushed the toilet.
My grass and landscape are all nice and green cause I have automatic sprinklers.
Gonna go light the pilot on the heater tonight.
Wife just did three loads of laundry since we were camping on the weekend. All our clothes smelled like a campfire. So we had to wash them. In our washing machine. On our back porch. Since we only have enough clothes for about two weeks worth.
Not really a big deal right?
I just went and got a glass of water from the tap. Then I went and flushed the toilet.
My grass and landscape are all nice and green cause I have automatic sprinklers.
Gonna go light the pilot on the heater tonight.
Wife just did three loads of laundry since we were camping on the weekend. All our clothes smelled like a campfire. So we had to wash them. In our washing machine. On our back porch. Since we only have enough clothes for about two weeks worth.
Not really a big deal right?
morfmedia
Well-known member
Bill: Can you / are you willing to say anything about your plane. Whilst I can appreciate its not an easy item to sell, are you not better off getting rid of it, paying your taxes / fixing your home then working back towards renting time on a plane should you wish to fly again?
51rider
Well-known member
I've been meaning to post on this again for a couple of weeks now but haven't. Today, I unsubscribed from this thread.
Kevin 54; You were right all along, Bill NEEDS professional help to combat this. I also think you are one hell of a guy to reveal the stuff you have about yourself- I hope things turn out good for you.
To those who went & knocked on Bills door to help-you did what you could but Bill isn'tready for this yet. Without PROFESSIONAL HELP, it was a gracious but forlorn offer.
The willingness of GJ members to help someone who, after all, is a stranger, restores my faith in humanity.
Bill, you have to face the facts that you need to get the PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED. I have no doubt that you want to improve your existance,(I can't call it life as until you can overcome this habit you won't be able to start living), but you have lost your way & will not find it WITHOUT HELP.
I wrote in my first post on this thread about a programme on your problem that I had watched just the previous day. What I didn't post was that the hoarders children had cleared the house three times prior to the time that was now being televised. This time, medical help was being sought.
The object of the exercise this time around was to clear the bathroom, the stairs, the living room & the kitchen and perhaps to ween out some of the 5300 cookery books that the hoarder had in the house. This would enable the hoarders 15 year old youngest son to carry on living with her.
I would point out that this was a three story London townhouse.
Whilst many GJ members would dearly love to get all the detritus out of the house in one fell swoop, the fact remains is that unless Bill can learn to disassociate the irrational values he puts on to these items, the likelihood is that the space will be re-filled once again.
I really thought Bill, that you could do it. But again, props are due to Kevin54 who really knew what was needed.
You have my support and hope but I can watch no-longer.
Kevin 54; You were right all along, Bill NEEDS professional help to combat this. I also think you are one hell of a guy to reveal the stuff you have about yourself- I hope things turn out good for you.
To those who went & knocked on Bills door to help-you did what you could but Bill isn'tready for this yet. Without PROFESSIONAL HELP, it was a gracious but forlorn offer.
The willingness of GJ members to help someone who, after all, is a stranger, restores my faith in humanity.
Bill, you have to face the facts that you need to get the PROFESSIONALS INVOLVED. I have no doubt that you want to improve your existance,(I can't call it life as until you can overcome this habit you won't be able to start living), but you have lost your way & will not find it WITHOUT HELP.
I wrote in my first post on this thread about a programme on your problem that I had watched just the previous day. What I didn't post was that the hoarders children had cleared the house three times prior to the time that was now being televised. This time, medical help was being sought.
The object of the exercise this time around was to clear the bathroom, the stairs, the living room & the kitchen and perhaps to ween out some of the 5300 cookery books that the hoarder had in the house. This would enable the hoarders 15 year old youngest son to carry on living with her.
I would point out that this was a three story London townhouse.
Whilst many GJ members would dearly love to get all the detritus out of the house in one fell swoop, the fact remains is that unless Bill can learn to disassociate the irrational values he puts on to these items, the likelihood is that the space will be re-filled once again.
I really thought Bill, that you could do it. But again, props are due to Kevin54 who really knew what was needed.
You have my support and hope but I can watch no-longer.
Need4racin
Banned
Bill where do you take a **** at? Do you **** in a bucket and bury in the backyard? Is there a fastfood restaurant nearby that you walk to, to use their facilities?
I mean hell you're saving a lot of money on water. I guess that's good.
I mean hell you're saving a lot of money on water. I guess that's good.
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BlueSuedeShoe
Member
That is exactly what he is doing! He's learning to put different values on his things. At first there will be lots of items with a 'high' value. He will keep things he doesn't need to keep, but as long as he also throws stuff out he's on the right track. I'm sure in a few months a lot of the bins that were saved today will go to the trash because Bill has realized that he doesn't need the content.
I think we all need to get away from the thought that a professional can just come in, turn a switch and everything is fine. It doesn't work that way.
Even the professionals can only work with hoarders in small steps. That's what Bill and Julie are doing: taking small steps. They are their own professionals. They don't need anyone else for these first small steps. Maybe it'll change later on, who knows.
The reason for focusing on the bedroom is in my opinion to strengthen the relationship between Bill and Julie. It's something that's important to Julie too.
And of course: It's an easy thing to start with! It will produce results without being overwhelming for them right now. They need those good feelings of having achieved something.
And no, it's not me or anyone else here, who's responsible for those good feelings. Nothing I say/write can give Bill or Julie the feeling of having done something towards achieving their goal. It's their own doing!
Someone asked for a social worker or psychologist. My brother-in-law and two friends of my husband are social workers. They probably won't have time to read the whole thread but if you a have a specific question I can ask one of them for you and post the answer.
burlybrute
Well-known member
Bill where do you take a **** at? Do you **** in a bucket and bury in the backyard?
That's funny **** right there!!
Paper bag, then burns it on the neighbor's porch?
B.S.S.,
Perhaps we live in an alternative universe because (and I say this respectfuly), it may "feel" really good to strengthen their relationship by focusing on the bedroom and getting a sense of having achieved something but......
If the house has no heat, no running water, leaking roof, toilets out of service, mold in the air, rodent and cat feces all around, all that sense of achievement doesn't mean diddly squat especially with the tax man coming to call in the next 6 months.
There is a difference between supporting someone and enabling them. To me, your post smacks of the latter.
Perhaps we live in an alternative universe because (and I say this respectfuly), it may "feel" really good to strengthen their relationship by focusing on the bedroom and getting a sense of having achieved something but......
If the house has no heat, no running water, leaking roof, toilets out of service, mold in the air, rodent and cat feces all around, all that sense of achievement doesn't mean diddly squat especially with the tax man coming to call in the next 6 months.
There is a difference between supporting someone and enabling them. To me, your post smacks of the latter.
Grandad
Active member
Hi Bill,
I’ve been following your progress on this thread right from the start. I haven’t missed a single post. I’ve posted a few times but nothing of any consequence.
But I’d like to have a little chat with you now, if you don’t mind.
You and I are the same age. We were both born in the same year so I hope that gives us at least a small amount of common ground on which to start.
There’s been a lot of talk about the “Need” for professional intervention. Well, at the risk of being labeled an enabler, I’m going to jump onto Blue Suede Shoe’s side of the fence.
A fair way back in this thread someone said something that I hope you may remember. The quote was, “When the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of change, change will occur.”
That quote is often credited to one of your countrymen, Tony Robbins. However, I recall reading something almost identical long before he found fame. In reality, it’s just the plain truth.
Never, ever underestimate the power of your own thoughts. You and Julie got yourselves into this situation because you found some benefit in it. Was the collecting of things to someday use in your garage or on projects some way of maybe planning for a future you saw as now being a shorter time span than your past? I have no idea, and this is a rhetorical question only and does not require an answer from you. Quite frankly, how you got yourselves into this situation is none of mine or anybody else’s business. That particular thinking I offer only because I have found myself thinking along similar lines so maybe, just maybe, it may have crossed your mind as well. Or maybe not. Something however, was giving you something positive in your collecting, or you wouldn’t have done it.
Should you somehow miraculously find a “Professional” to speak to tomorrow about your situation, no doubt they would explore your fears and motives and in time could make you realize the whys and therefore maybe a path back.
But in all reality, the reasons why you are where you are now are not relevant at this point.
What is of the utmost importance and more important than any other issue is, where do you want to go from here?
Does the idea of removing ALL excess stuff from your property and living in a home where you can have friends over something that appeals to you? Do you want that? Or does the disposal of the piles of stuff scare you more? Again, these are rhetorical questions that require only an answer to yourself.
How badly do you want a strong future with Julie? One without fear of taxes and in a home with water, toilets, heating etc.
Come on now….to yourself, nobody else.
HOW BADLY DO YOU WANT THAT BILL?
What are you prepared to do to make it happen? What scares you more than seeing that goal through to the end? WHY does that scare you?
Do you know how long it takes to completely change your life?
Snap your fingers once. Do it now.
THAT’S how long it takes to change your life.
Once you have really decided to make the changes needed, REALLY decided to the point that you are 100% committed to that goal, nothing on God’s earth can stop you.
Once you have decided that this is what you want, then the physical act of making it happen is merely the acts that you will do to make it so.
Beware, you will falter in your goals. You are just another human being aren’t you Bill? You put your pants on one leg at a time?
Then you will have doubts at some point. You will feel you just can’t do this.
Don’t let those thoughts discourage you or make you feel you can’t keep going.
Focus very, very clearly on what it is you’re trying to accomplish when you feel that way and you’ll find your strength again. If you and Julie can do this together, then when you are feeling tired and weak, hopefully Julie will still be ok and can spur you on. And visa versa.
But let’s not rely on that.
Be self sufficient in your own thinking.
Stay focused.
Many things can help, depending on your own mental make-up.
Photographs of your dream house maybe?
A particular part of your planned future that is especially important to you?
You have to find what makes you re-focus back on your ultimate goal.
Get a fire going in your gut.
Get determined to have what you want and deserve.
The only thing stopping you is yourself.
How badly do you want this Bill?
I’ve been following your progress on this thread right from the start. I haven’t missed a single post. I’ve posted a few times but nothing of any consequence.
But I’d like to have a little chat with you now, if you don’t mind.
You and I are the same age. We were both born in the same year so I hope that gives us at least a small amount of common ground on which to start.
There’s been a lot of talk about the “Need” for professional intervention. Well, at the risk of being labeled an enabler, I’m going to jump onto Blue Suede Shoe’s side of the fence.
A fair way back in this thread someone said something that I hope you may remember. The quote was, “When the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of change, change will occur.”
That quote is often credited to one of your countrymen, Tony Robbins. However, I recall reading something almost identical long before he found fame. In reality, it’s just the plain truth.
Never, ever underestimate the power of your own thoughts. You and Julie got yourselves into this situation because you found some benefit in it. Was the collecting of things to someday use in your garage or on projects some way of maybe planning for a future you saw as now being a shorter time span than your past? I have no idea, and this is a rhetorical question only and does not require an answer from you. Quite frankly, how you got yourselves into this situation is none of mine or anybody else’s business. That particular thinking I offer only because I have found myself thinking along similar lines so maybe, just maybe, it may have crossed your mind as well. Or maybe not. Something however, was giving you something positive in your collecting, or you wouldn’t have done it.
Should you somehow miraculously find a “Professional” to speak to tomorrow about your situation, no doubt they would explore your fears and motives and in time could make you realize the whys and therefore maybe a path back.
But in all reality, the reasons why you are where you are now are not relevant at this point.
What is of the utmost importance and more important than any other issue is, where do you want to go from here?
Does the idea of removing ALL excess stuff from your property and living in a home where you can have friends over something that appeals to you? Do you want that? Or does the disposal of the piles of stuff scare you more? Again, these are rhetorical questions that require only an answer to yourself.
How badly do you want a strong future with Julie? One without fear of taxes and in a home with water, toilets, heating etc.
Come on now….to yourself, nobody else.
HOW BADLY DO YOU WANT THAT BILL?
What are you prepared to do to make it happen? What scares you more than seeing that goal through to the end? WHY does that scare you?
Do you know how long it takes to completely change your life?
Snap your fingers once. Do it now.
THAT’S how long it takes to change your life.
Once you have really decided to make the changes needed, REALLY decided to the point that you are 100% committed to that goal, nothing on God’s earth can stop you.
Once you have decided that this is what you want, then the physical act of making it happen is merely the acts that you will do to make it so.
Beware, you will falter in your goals. You are just another human being aren’t you Bill? You put your pants on one leg at a time?
Then you will have doubts at some point. You will feel you just can’t do this.
Don’t let those thoughts discourage you or make you feel you can’t keep going.
Focus very, very clearly on what it is you’re trying to accomplish when you feel that way and you’ll find your strength again. If you and Julie can do this together, then when you are feeling tired and weak, hopefully Julie will still be ok and can spur you on. And visa versa.
But let’s not rely on that.
Be self sufficient in your own thinking.
Stay focused.
Many things can help, depending on your own mental make-up.
Photographs of your dream house maybe?
A particular part of your planned future that is especially important to you?
You have to find what makes you re-focus back on your ultimate goal.
Get a fire going in your gut.
Get determined to have what you want and deserve.
The only thing stopping you is yourself.
How badly do you want this Bill?
Kevin54
MEMBER EMERITUS
Although I do agree somewhat with BlueSS and Grandad, I cannot agree with all of it. I think to some extent laziness comes into play. With the laziness, then came the embarrassment, then the seclusion, then the hoarding, then back to the embarrassment, then to the laziness, to being totally overwhelmed.
From what I see of the situation, Bill doesn't work and Julie does. Bill blames the economy as far as I can tell. It can't be drawing SS Disability for a bad back because he can drag a few hundred pound Bridgeport Ram into the garage. Or move a 'fridge from the back walk into the house, or carry 40 lb. buckets of water from the neighbors to use to flush his toilets, which by the way, is probably backing right back up into the basement due to the sewer problems. But none-the-less, Julie works and Bill doesn't. And the house wasn't always the way it is by the words of Bill himself. But Bill was supposed to take care of the house while Julie worked. Key word being SUPPOSED. But it's so nice to not have to do anything today other than run a sweeper before the wife gets home. Then it turns to every other day, then weekly, then every other week, along with the other little things that neglect to get done. Then it turns to someone wanting to buy tools, and drill presses, and multiples of things because someone got a good deal. But laziness kicks in, so just set it down until tomorrow, or next week, or next month.
But don't get me wrong, because Bill isn't the only one at fault. Julie enabled Bill I believe until Bill enabled Julie, now they just feed off of one another. When the **** get tough, they bail for a camping trip for the weekend because they NEEDED to get away from it and recharge the batteries. I would really need my batteries recharged too after taking out six trash cans to the curb every week.I'm really rolling my eyes here guys as that was a sarcastic remark. Then there are the weekend shopping trips to the Restore, Rummage Sales, Garage Sales, picking up a bandsaw from Craigslist, or EBay purchase, or maybe just another drill press that was found on a good deal. And things get laid down all for the fact that there is nowhere to put them.
But then let's back up a fair amount to when this thread started and what Bill titled it. The Grunge Garage. This whole thread started with a drill press purchase and Bill not having room to put it. I'd like to know what the hell he was going to drill holes in anyways? As of what use is a drill press?
But back on track and to today, Julie works, Bill buys. Julie works, and Bill says he can't do anything because it's raining. Julie works, and Bill is on the internet all day. And how do I know? Because some days when I am not at a doctors, or my wife isn't going through Chemo, I may just spend the day periodically on the internet myself and I see where Bill has been posting throughout the day. So see, it goes back to the laziness. It is always way easier not to do something, than it is to force yourself to do something. This world wasn't made on the grounds of not doing things, it was made on ambition and perseverance. Bill blames the economy on being out of work, but Bill was a carpenter and woodworker. I imagine that no matter how bad the economy is, there is someone to fill those positions. Fill them from having ambition and perseverance. Bill complains about dental and blames it on pop or soda depending on where you are from. I can guarantee I drink way more pop than Bill does and I still manage to go to the dentist. Just in comparison between Bill and I, I have managed to keep the house clean, work full-time, work overtime, avoid layoffs, and be the best in my field among other workers and doing it all with basically one arm among the other things I've had to endure. But in comparison for the ones that haven't read through everything, Bill flies hang gliders, was an Architectural Engineer and God knows what else. If you read back through Bills threads and I mean really read them, Bill has an excuse for every single thing that is wrong and can blame every single person but himself. Oh he might tell you that he knows it's his fault, but that is just a part of being a little bit manipulative, and looking for an easy way out of a situation. Quite a few people will do that. tell a person what they want to hear to avoid any conflict.
The fun and games were over when the people on this thread starting taking another direction. If you go back through and if one could actually graph it, it would look like the stock market charts. Up high one day then slowly dropping into oblivion. It started out as poor Bill, we're all rooting for you. And even Bill himself said it was fun cleaning things up. The fun was in all actuality just the attention. It kind of reminds me of a dog doing a trick. Tell him to rollover then give him a treat. No difference. "Hey I managed to take six trash cans to the curb"......"Good Job Bill, we're all pulling for you". "You can dooo-iitt"
Now if you look at the thread, Bill doesn't seem to respond to many people on here. It's not because of embarrassment, it's because of the true colors. The attention has turned negative, especially after Tony and Brian both got blowed off a few times. Both of those guys more than likely had way better things to do and may have lost money by taking their time out of their schedules to help an internet friend. They didn't look at Bill as a lazy person, but they looked at him as a fellow in need. And what happened? They both got **** on plain and simple. I'm not quite sure reading through the threads what Brian does, but I supposed he could have made some money doing something else with that time, Even spending it with family. The same with Tony. from what I take of Tony, he has equipment and he has customers. He also has bills he has to pay and depends on money coming in to do so. But both spent their time somewhere else. And what was the excuse. "Sorry guys, the battery in my phone was dead" Just another excuse. Not a good excuse mind you, but just another excuse. Busted pipes for a year...excuse. Backed up sewer for a year...excuse. No heat, well hell, blame it on the pipes. Not getting anything done today...excuse. It rained. When did rain ever stop anyone from doing anything in a garage or a house? So it's just one excuse after another to the tenth power.
Like they say, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck", I'm going to call it a duck. Bill, I still like you as an internet friend, but I'm going to call it as I see it. You're intelligent. I'm going to give you that. Truth be known, you probably have more smarts than me in a lot of things. I've seen that in some of your other responses in other postings. But it's time to come clean with some of the members. Maybe ask one of the Mods to lock out this thread all for the fact that it IS your thread. But above all, with all of the B.S. that has went on either behind the scenes in PM's or things said publicly, some people are owed an apology. And it doesn't have to be a public apology, but maybe one in a PM and I think you know who those people are.
I said it before and I went back on my own word about not posting in this thread anymore, but then you told me you need things like that to keep you motivated. Well it's not my job to motivate people. Like I said before, you are still considered a good internet friend, and if asked, I would to what I could to help you out, but right now it's just not in the cards for me to be a Motivational speaker or a Cheerleader. So I'm going to sit it out on the bench. But for your sake, I hope you get to keep your house and not get foreclosed on by getting your taxes paid in time, and I hope that you find a way to get heat and water and not keep asking the neighbor for his water. Remember with city water, come a City water Bill and sewage bill. Don't take advantage of someone else's resources so you can save money to go shopping.
From what I see of the situation, Bill doesn't work and Julie does. Bill blames the economy as far as I can tell. It can't be drawing SS Disability for a bad back because he can drag a few hundred pound Bridgeport Ram into the garage. Or move a 'fridge from the back walk into the house, or carry 40 lb. buckets of water from the neighbors to use to flush his toilets, which by the way, is probably backing right back up into the basement due to the sewer problems. But none-the-less, Julie works and Bill doesn't. And the house wasn't always the way it is by the words of Bill himself. But Bill was supposed to take care of the house while Julie worked. Key word being SUPPOSED. But it's so nice to not have to do anything today other than run a sweeper before the wife gets home. Then it turns to every other day, then weekly, then every other week, along with the other little things that neglect to get done. Then it turns to someone wanting to buy tools, and drill presses, and multiples of things because someone got a good deal. But laziness kicks in, so just set it down until tomorrow, or next week, or next month.
But don't get me wrong, because Bill isn't the only one at fault. Julie enabled Bill I believe until Bill enabled Julie, now they just feed off of one another. When the **** get tough, they bail for a camping trip for the weekend because they NEEDED to get away from it and recharge the batteries. I would really need my batteries recharged too after taking out six trash cans to the curb every week.I'm really rolling my eyes here guys as that was a sarcastic remark. Then there are the weekend shopping trips to the Restore, Rummage Sales, Garage Sales, picking up a bandsaw from Craigslist, or EBay purchase, or maybe just another drill press that was found on a good deal. And things get laid down all for the fact that there is nowhere to put them.
But then let's back up a fair amount to when this thread started and what Bill titled it. The Grunge Garage. This whole thread started with a drill press purchase and Bill not having room to put it. I'd like to know what the hell he was going to drill holes in anyways? As of what use is a drill press?
But back on track and to today, Julie works, Bill buys. Julie works, and Bill says he can't do anything because it's raining. Julie works, and Bill is on the internet all day. And how do I know? Because some days when I am not at a doctors, or my wife isn't going through Chemo, I may just spend the day periodically on the internet myself and I see where Bill has been posting throughout the day. So see, it goes back to the laziness. It is always way easier not to do something, than it is to force yourself to do something. This world wasn't made on the grounds of not doing things, it was made on ambition and perseverance. Bill blames the economy on being out of work, but Bill was a carpenter and woodworker. I imagine that no matter how bad the economy is, there is someone to fill those positions. Fill them from having ambition and perseverance. Bill complains about dental and blames it on pop or soda depending on where you are from. I can guarantee I drink way more pop than Bill does and I still manage to go to the dentist. Just in comparison between Bill and I, I have managed to keep the house clean, work full-time, work overtime, avoid layoffs, and be the best in my field among other workers and doing it all with basically one arm among the other things I've had to endure. But in comparison for the ones that haven't read through everything, Bill flies hang gliders, was an Architectural Engineer and God knows what else. If you read back through Bills threads and I mean really read them, Bill has an excuse for every single thing that is wrong and can blame every single person but himself. Oh he might tell you that he knows it's his fault, but that is just a part of being a little bit manipulative, and looking for an easy way out of a situation. Quite a few people will do that. tell a person what they want to hear to avoid any conflict.
The fun and games were over when the people on this thread starting taking another direction. If you go back through and if one could actually graph it, it would look like the stock market charts. Up high one day then slowly dropping into oblivion. It started out as poor Bill, we're all rooting for you. And even Bill himself said it was fun cleaning things up. The fun was in all actuality just the attention. It kind of reminds me of a dog doing a trick. Tell him to rollover then give him a treat. No difference. "Hey I managed to take six trash cans to the curb"......"Good Job Bill, we're all pulling for you". "You can dooo-iitt"
Now if you look at the thread, Bill doesn't seem to respond to many people on here. It's not because of embarrassment, it's because of the true colors. The attention has turned negative, especially after Tony and Brian both got blowed off a few times. Both of those guys more than likely had way better things to do and may have lost money by taking their time out of their schedules to help an internet friend. They didn't look at Bill as a lazy person, but they looked at him as a fellow in need. And what happened? They both got **** on plain and simple. I'm not quite sure reading through the threads what Brian does, but I supposed he could have made some money doing something else with that time, Even spending it with family. The same with Tony. from what I take of Tony, he has equipment and he has customers. He also has bills he has to pay and depends on money coming in to do so. But both spent their time somewhere else. And what was the excuse. "Sorry guys, the battery in my phone was dead" Just another excuse. Not a good excuse mind you, but just another excuse. Busted pipes for a year...excuse. Backed up sewer for a year...excuse. No heat, well hell, blame it on the pipes. Not getting anything done today...excuse. It rained. When did rain ever stop anyone from doing anything in a garage or a house? So it's just one excuse after another to the tenth power.
Like they say, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck", I'm going to call it a duck. Bill, I still like you as an internet friend, but I'm going to call it as I see it. You're intelligent. I'm going to give you that. Truth be known, you probably have more smarts than me in a lot of things. I've seen that in some of your other responses in other postings. But it's time to come clean with some of the members. Maybe ask one of the Mods to lock out this thread all for the fact that it IS your thread. But above all, with all of the B.S. that has went on either behind the scenes in PM's or things said publicly, some people are owed an apology. And it doesn't have to be a public apology, but maybe one in a PM and I think you know who those people are.
I said it before and I went back on my own word about not posting in this thread anymore, but then you told me you need things like that to keep you motivated. Well it's not my job to motivate people. Like I said before, you are still considered a good internet friend, and if asked, I would to what I could to help you out, but right now it's just not in the cards for me to be a Motivational speaker or a Cheerleader. So I'm going to sit it out on the bench. But for your sake, I hope you get to keep your house and not get foreclosed on by getting your taxes paid in time, and I hope that you find a way to get heat and water and not keep asking the neighbor for his water. Remember with city water, come a City water Bill and sewage bill. Don't take advantage of someone else's resources so you can save money to go shopping.
My first post in this thread, although I've been following it the whole time. I remember clicking on it thinking maybe it was an Nirvana and Pearl Jam inspired garage.
In my unprofessional opinion, Kevin hit the nail on the head, repeatedly, and with force.
Thank you Kevin. There is a lot of clarity and truths in your post. I read it 3 times to take it all in and really take it to heart. Every day I wake up disgusted, in a panic and wanting to go back to sleep to make it all go away. Most days I don't get much done. Some days I get something done. This is an improvement over the last years where I got next to nothing done. But I see that what I'm doing isn't enough by a long shot. Criticism and supportive comments here help keep me going but aren't enough. I have to get a fire from inside.
I'm starting to get angry at some of the stuff. It is preventing me from doing what I really want to do. No, let me change that. I am starting to get angry at myself. I am the one preventing myself from doing what I really want to do. Hmmm.....
It's very hard to take responsibility for your own shortcomings. Very hard. Very very hard. I gotta go do some serious throwing away while I am in turmoil. Maybe that will make me feel better.
I'm starting to get angry at some of the stuff. It is preventing me from doing what I really want to do. No, let me change that. I am starting to get angry at myself. I am the one preventing myself from doing what I really want to do. Hmmm.....
It's very hard to take responsibility for your own shortcomings. Very hard. Very very hard. I gotta go do some serious throwing away while I am in turmoil. Maybe that will make me feel better.
BlueSuedeShoe
Member
'The easy way' would have been to just let someone else do it. A lazy person would choose that option ;-)
I have two brothers. When we were still in school my mother used to help my brothers with their homework. She didn't help me. I was pissed because I thought that my brothers were just too lazy to do it on their own. I could write As without help why don't they?
It wasn't until long after my graduation that I figuered out that they weren't lazy at all. In fact they spent way more time on homework or learning in general than I ever did. It just didn't come as easy for them as it did for me.
What I want to say is that we're all different people. Not everyone can build/buy and take care of a house, work overtime, take care of a sick wife all with only one arm.
It's a tremendous achievement Kevin, but please don't expect everyone else to do the same. You do the best YOU can do in your situation, Bill does the best HE can do in his.
I have two brothers. When we were still in school my mother used to help my brothers with their homework. She didn't help me. I was pissed because I thought that my brothers were just too lazy to do it on their own. I could write As without help why don't they?
It wasn't until long after my graduation that I figuered out that they weren't lazy at all. In fact they spent way more time on homework or learning in general than I ever did. It just didn't come as easy for them as it did for me.
What I want to say is that we're all different people. Not everyone can build/buy and take care of a house, work overtime, take care of a sick wife all with only one arm.
It's a tremendous achievement Kevin, but please don't expect everyone else to do the same. You do the best YOU can do in your situation, Bill does the best HE can do in his.
98TJ
Well-known member
How do you know that to be true? Oh it sounds quaint and all but lots of people do just a fraction of their best for a variety of reasons....
Never assume.....
Never assume.....
JC23
Well-known member
Nobody should ever settle, Bill. And that all starts with ourselves.
JC23
Well-known member
Guessing you've never been married?!
Yeah, once. And the next time I WON'T settle...
Bronson
Well-known member
Guessing you've never been married?!
Women are like Elephants.
Nice to look at.
Wouldnt want to own one.
welder4956
Well-known member
The time for talkin about doin' is long past... Time to start doin'
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