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Harbor Freight 3 ton Jack stand caution

KingCobra98

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I posted this on the Pass/Fail Thread but was told maybe I should put this here also.

Here is a picture of there 3 ton stand that fell apart. I guess a roll pin fell out. These stands maybe 5 years old and dont use them very often. I am not trying to flame harbor, I have enought tools from them that are good and some bad.

So I am told this is normal for any jack stand, so I guess this is a caution to check your stands!
 

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I am familiar with the company that makes them for HF, and I would turn them upside down and just quickly visually check the seam weld before purchase as well - just for personal peace of mind - I've not heard of any weld failures.
 

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Scary. I expect my jackstand to do two things, keep my fat *** alive and keep the car in the air. Makes me think maybe I should be doing more than just putting a jackstand on each side of the car.
 
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I always use a floor jack for insurance. It fell apart after I moved it from under the car and into the garage. I am looking to buy there 12 ton floor stands for my f250 cause of the height. But idk if I will buy another 3
 

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I never check my stands. I just toss them under the car and expect them to do their job. I'm going to start inspecting them. I use the floor jack for insurance as well but I really don't trust it lol.
 
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I never check my stands. I just toss them under the car and expect them to do their job. I'm going to start inspecting them. I use the floor jack for insurance as well but I really don't trust it lol.

I never did either, I have 2 other sets and 1 Larin that are older, but i will check
 

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Thank you for bringing this safety tip up. Safety shall always be taken into consideration before starting any project.

Remember, when you get hurt, your family does as well.

I learned this from safety training.


-Conrad
 

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Jack stands and bottle jacks are always a good idea to invest a bit more then just harbor freight. I don't like it when people use harbor freight 8-12ton jack stands at my work. I'm not bashing on harbor freight nor am I biased with all tool brands, but I think some of their items should never be purchased or even offered for sale.
 

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Note that with that pin missing you can't release the jack stand, but it doesn't affect its ability to hold the vehicle up. I had the same thing happen to one of my jack stands, not HF, not sure of the brand or source. The pin just lets you rotate the tongue up to release the arm, not really a big deal.
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I'm a bit paranoid about jackstands. I have several craftsman and HF stands which are fine when I'm not actually sliding underneath the car, but if I am, I only trust my Esco 3 ton stands.


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Note that with that pin missing you can't release the jack stand, but it doesn't affect its ability to hold the vehicle up. I had the same thing happen to one of my jack stands, not HF, not sure of the brand or source. The pin just lets you rotate the tongue up to release the arm, not really a big deal.
Jim

I have to agree here, replace the roll pin and your good to go. The pin only helps hold things together, it is not structural.

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Everyone's covered the important stuff.

-pin is not structural. It coming out won't kill you.

-every jackstand manufacturer thinks that you should inspect them before use...and you should. Jack stands are probably the most dangerous tool we own.

-get that tire and rim under the frame, just in case. Might be the difference between getting a rib or two cracked and just plain getting killed.
 

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Coming from an industrial environment I can tell you that you should always inspect everything before you use it. Doesn't matter who made the thing. Manlifts, Forklifts, Ladders, cut off wheels, saws, trailer dock locks, etc etc. it only takes a second and it can save your life.
 

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Note that with that pin missing you can't release the jack stand, but it doesn't affect its ability to hold the vehicle up. I had the same thing happen to one of my jack stands, not HF, not sure of the brand or source. The pin just lets you rotate the tongue up to release the arm, not really a big deal.
Jim

This is accurate.

It's not encouraging that the pin fell out, but according to the manual the pin falling out isn't a huge safety risk like some assume.

The OP laying out the parts of a disassembled stand might seem scary on first blush or if you don't understand how they work. But in reality, the stand would not drop a load without the roll pin or if the roll pin breaks while in use. The lack of a roll pin makes it difficult to release the pawl to lower the stand.

This has come up on another forum. Many brands/sizes/prices of ratcheting jack stands are made this way. If the roll pin breaks or falls out, you can remove the handle from the pawl and disassemble the jack stand.

The roll pin is there to prevent you from lifting the handle and releasing the stand when there's weight on it. For example, if you accidentally put the jack under the jack stand handle, the pin will break and keep the pawl from releasing from the teeth on the post.

Attached are the actual pictures from the manual that show the roll pin in question.
 
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Got a set of HF 3 ton jack stands that are working okay but because of this thread I went to check them out. What's your opinion on the shear pin that is sticking out? Hammer it back in or exchange them for a higher capacity pair or return them? Got a set of the Craftsman 4 ton pro set from the recent sale last month.

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Nearly all the affordable jack stands out there are imported but the Craftsman 4 ton seems extra sturdy
 

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I didnt play games with my jackstands..my jack is a HF job, but I went with 4 ESCOs ..I think its a good investment to be made.

There should be no doubts going underneath a car, if there are you should fix it before going under it.
 

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I checked my 'stands and they seem fine, but I'm going to be more careful to inspect them now. It makes me feel better if I can keep the floor jack under the vehicle too, for a little added "insurance."
 

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No WAY would I get under a car held up by anything from Harbor Freight. This is nuts guys.
 

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I am familiar with the company that makes them for HF, and I would turn them upside down and just quickly visually check the seam weld before purchase as well - just for personal peace of mind - I've not heard of any weld failures.
So let me guess... we all already own the exact same stands with different colors of paint, right?

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You can do much worse than HF for jack stands.
As was stated before the roll pin is not structural. If it comes loose just tap it back in, if it's missing replace it.
 

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You can do much worse than HF for jack stands.
As was stated before the roll pin is not structural. If it comes loose just tap it back in, if it's missing replace it.

If the manufacturer's QA dept is so bad they ship without a roll pin, if the roll pin is undersized or the hole is so poorly drilled the pin falls out, what makes you think anything else was done with care?
 

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Guys, let's not screw around with this one. This is the time for us to come together and say something important to those who may be reading along and our fellow members:

Placing a wheel under a vehicle to "catch its fall" may not be sufficient to avoid injury. This depends on how the car is jacked, and where you are working. But given the fact that many rims are no higher than the size our our skulls......this is not a safe solution.

Injuries to due jack failures (including unspecified improper procedures) are not uncommon:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/98.040.PDF

NHTSA estimates nearly 5000 accidents each year, 5% of them are amputations.

I'm not sure where this came from, but it has some good basic advice:
https://classnet.wcdsb.ca/sec/RCS/G...d Documents/06 Jack Stands/01 Jack Stands.pdf

As to which stands are safe and which are not, I would apply the same rules used for aircraft design: No single point failure should create the potential for injury. With the average hydraulic trolley jack or bottle jack, the seals are all single points of failure. Therefore, these should never be used to support a vehicle being worked under.

Both the ratchet style and pinned tube style stands have (obviously) single point failure modes.

These jacks offer a fail safe pin design:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200305227_200305227

But even with this design, there is so much that can go wrong.

Many manufacturers suggest the outer pinch weld be used as a jacking point. But depending on the jack, the stand, and the condition of the seam, this could just as easily cause problems as prevent them. The pinch welds seem to be designed to work with the emergency jack, which typically uses the seam to keep the car from slipping off the jack's saddle. The seam itself doesn't typically bear any weight. These seams are typically used by the hydraulic lifts in an auto shop, but the forks sit flat on the seam and apply no side or point loads.

I have a few opinions and words of advice, but I'll be interested in others':

1) Jack stands that feature single point failure designs (ratchet or single pin) depend on the quality of construction and materials for their reliability/safety. If you choose this sort of stand, choose one from a company you believe is dedicated to your safety, or has a healthy fear of lawsuits. That's not just US made, but in my mind, it realistically leaves out Taiwan, China, and third world nations.

2) How you jack and support the car, on what surface, where on the car you jack, is as important as the stands you choose. Learn how to do it safely.

3) Additional stands increase you rsafety. In aircraft, redundancy is an acceptable risk mitigator. Wanna use Harbor freight stands? Use 4 on one end of the vehicle.

4) If you are unsure, aren't comfortable, haven't chocked the wheels, don't get under the vehicle.

(Maybe we can snip this out put it into a new thread and make it sticky? Of all the tools we talk about, none I can thick of require such important safety considerations).
 

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I finally got tired of being scared when under my car, on stands, and found a lightly used KwikLift.....now I'm under it most every night! Works great for my limited ceiling height.

Those Esco screw-type stands are nice, but a set of four of those would have set me back more than the KL did.
 

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Dad left me a set of blocks ... laminated plywood about 12"X12"x4" with a V notch cut into one edge. They're not adjustable, not rated, and I've no idea where he got them from ... but I trust them more than any stamped and bent stand on the market today.
 

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There must be 2 major companies that make them, one has a little heavier steel in the 6 tom models but they are very well built and extremely reliable, the user is the weak link. That and by a huge margin.
 
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No WAY would I get under a car held up by anything from Harbor Freight. This is nuts guys.

See the post below. These same stands are sold under quite a few different brands.

So let me guess... we all already own the exact same stands with different colors of paint, right?

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Injuries to due jack failures (including unspecified improper procedures) are not uncommon:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/98.040.PDF

NHTSA estimates nearly 5000 accidents each year, 5% of them are amputations.

I'm not sure where this came from, but it has some good basic advice:
https://classnet.wcdsb.ca/sec/RCS/G...d Documents/06 Jack Stands/01 Jack Stands.pdf

As to which stands are safe and which are not, I would apply the same rules used for aircraft design: No single point failure should create the potential for injury. With the average hydraulic trolley jack or bottle jack, the seals are all single points of failure. Therefore, these should never be used to support a vehicle being worked under.

Both the ratchet style and pinned tube style stands have (obviously) single point failure modes.

These jacks offer a fail safe pin design:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200305227_200305227

But even with this design, there is so much that can go wrong.

I have the Torin jacks and they appear flimsier than the HF stands and are still cheap Chinese jack stands.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195045

Your report on jack failures also seems to indicate that many of them are from the vehicle slipping or the "jack losing pressure." Those seem to indicate things like not using jack stands or not properly securing the vehicle.

In many cases, using jack stands is the safe and correct option.

And, these threads are all the same, so I'll just post this here:
(NOTE - I'm not trying to make light of any of the couple examples of injuries posted online. It's always a shame to see someone injured in the garage and they have my deepest sympathy.)

And, I can already predict how this thread will go, since they're all the same:
-Someone will claim that you'll surely die if you buy a low-priced jack stand because they sometimes have ugly welds. They may even point to one of the few failures, or claimed failures, posted online.
-Someone else will point out that low-priced jack stands are sold by the millions and there are very, very few reports of failure, and some of those failures don't even really appear to be failures.
-Someone will say you should spend big money on Hein Werner or US Jack stands. They'll claim you're cheap if you don't buy the expensive stands and you shouldn't try to save a buck on safety equipment.
-Someone will point out that there are complaints about the quality of the welds on both US Jack and Hein Werner stands.
-Someone will show pictures of stands they made.
-The thread will end with everyone thinking everyone else is stupid.
 
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It's hard to beat wood cribbing in addition to jack stands. :)

+1 :thumbup:

For forklifts I use wooden blocks all the time.
Make sure you use hard wood or oak.

Found this youtube film about the restoration of a 65 tons heavy WW2 tank.
It is supported by wooden blocks. Interesting to see complete, but the part with the wooden blocks start at 7.00 minutes.


Some more info about wood cribbing here: http://www.boronextrication.com/2011/02/12/wooden-cribbing-basics/

Cheers, Gert
 

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I usually just use the biggest I can. For my Jeep, that means 12 ton stands on the lowest setting. The base is much wider on these and there's nothing within the mechanism to fail.

I'm guessing most problems happen when the weight is not evenly distributed on the stand. Taking care and paying attention when lowering the vehicle pays off here. I'll often jack it back up to make a small adjustment. And on that point, if I can leave the jack in place under slight pressure I will. Yes, I have two jacks for this purpose.
 

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I like what MO has and also I like the cribbing. I have a 4 set jackstands that are 6 ton's like the OP is showing. Personally, I don't think the teeth engage good enough. I've had the vehicle up on all four, but it still scares the **** out of me. And the older I get, the worse it gets. When I get the addition on to the garage, there WILL be a lift in there that can handle the weight of a car without having to question it.
 

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And, these threads are all the same, so I'll just post this here:
(NOTE - I'm not trying to make light of any of the couple examples of injuries posted online. It's always a shame to see someone injured in the garage and they have my deepest sympathy.)

-Someone will claim that you'll surely die if you buy a low-priced jack stand because they sometimes have ugly welds. They may even point to one of the few failures, or claimed failures, posted online.
-Someone else will point out that low-priced jack stands are sold by the millions and there are very, very few reports of failure, and some of those failures don't even really appear to be failures.
-Someone will say you should spend big money on Hein Werner or US Jack stands. They'll claim you're cheap if you don't buy the expensive stands and you shouldn't try to save a buck on safety equipment.
-Someone will point out that there are complaints about the quality of the welds on both US Jack and Hein Werner stands.
-Someone will show pictures of stands they made.
-The thread will end with everyone thinking everyone else is stupid.
Good point, although I think these threads are good and do serve an important purpose even though the discussion can be frustrating at times. That is to inform others about the importance of inspecting and using jack stands correctly regardless of the brand or where they were made. Remember that for every person that actually posts in the thread there are many others who just read the thread, and as such a thread like this serves as a good reminder for many members of GJ.

Thanks to OP for starting this thread on an important safety topic.
 
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