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I haven't seen any mention of Hazet tool fans on this site so far. Anyone who owns any of their tools or flexible nut drivers,one of my favorite,should be familiar with the quality, or their extendable 1/2 in dr. ratchet........Many don't know it, but the full line is available from any Cornwell dealer, I love Snap-on, but the German tools can go toe to toe or better. A.A.:thumbup:
 
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Shoot, I'm content to just buy Cornwell from my Cornwell dealer. I do have one Stahlwille ratchet, which feels and works just fine, but I don't think it's anything special.
 

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Ive got some hazet stuff, i just picked up a brand new set of 3/8 drive metric sockets last week.
 
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Cornwell is great, they have some loop holes in their hard line like 6pt. double sided box wrenches, and 60degree offset wrenches, Hazet makes alot of specialty tools also. I guess I like Hazet because it is different, Snap-on to a point is like the 350 Chevy, almost everyone has one. That doesn't make it bad but in the mix I love the Hazet line, look for their flexible nut drivers, very good.A.A.:bounce:
 

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wrenchr, thanks, but I'm in a mode where I'm accumulating oddball items, and I think the Stahlwille is odd enough that it fits in that category.
 

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I wish someone with German ratchets would do a review: Gedore, Klann, Hazet, Stahlwille, etc. and get a "autopsy" of the ratchet mechanism as well.... we need some reviews/pics! Who willing to do some? Inquiring minds want to know/see! :)
German tools are relatively nonexistant in my neck of the woods!
 
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Geodore has factories in Germany India Argentina South Africa and other locals around the world. The "India" tools were low cost sales but the German tools were only sold here by industrial type of suppliers mostly metric fastener type companies.
 

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I recently found this little Hazet wrench in a pawn bin. It's the only Hazet I own.

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I've seen some tools from those kits go for big dollars on ebay. Alas, my Hazet has not earned that honor, still a cool little wrench.

And yes, that tool storage in the tire is quite boss.
 
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A friend of mine has a bunch of SA Gedore tools and they aren't anything special, other than having it as an oddity I wouldn't trade the tools I have now for them.
 

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Hazet and Stahlwille make good stuff, but I don't often see it in my price range. I use a flexible shaft driver for clamps from Hazet, and some bit sockets too.
 

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If anyone wants to check out their website or download their latest catalog; goto: http://www.hazet.de/en.html

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This is a tool wall board that was made to house service tools for the Volkswagen Beetles in the 1950s...

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For the uninformed; Hazet made/makes one of coolest classic "tool trolleys" called the Hazet Assistant!

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Here is a pic from a Hazet dealer in the Netherlands, I wish I could visit a tool store like this! :)
 
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Just snapped a few pics of my one Hazet ratchet (including indecent ones with it laid bare... F80 for comparison.

One thing that struck me is the thickness of the plate...

BTW, it had that blob of hard resin when I bought it 15 years ago. I don't think it serves a purpose, though...

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Oh, man! Thanks for the pics! That ratcheting mechanism on the Hazet looks identical to early Snap-On ratchets; I always wonder, if companies use each others designs under license.... So, what is your overall feeling about Hazet tools and what is the ratchet like compared to the Snap-On? We all have heard that the German tool industry seems to have a different philosophy when it comes to warranting tools; it seems that once something is worn out, you are supposed to buy another one! You have made your money with the tool, it has served its purpose and now it is time to "buy another one". This is different then the "satisfaction warranty", that traditionally was part of the USA sense of a warranty on tools. Can you clarify this and is this true? Can you also comment on German design, fit/finish of their tools? My sense is, compared to say Snap-On (which finishes their tools to a high chrome luster and almost blinding mirror finish); the German tool finish is generally a matt, under stated "spartan", more utilitarian, and simple design/esthetic. I think this is a design philosophy that pervades German products from their automobiles, furniture, appliances, knives and just about anything made there; these design principles are part of influences of the Bauhaus school of design and the "International Modern Style", "form follows function" and "less is more" sensibility (Minimalism); would you agree and comment on this? Your pics are awesome, what camera are you using.... you aren't using a Leica are you (another great German product!)? :)

For the research freaks among us; these maybe of interest, these are significant design/art movements and some of the "major players" who were designers and architects in German history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauhaus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism#Minimalist_design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Mies_van_der_Rohe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Gropius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Modernism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_follows_function
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Behrens

We have also discussed Hazet tools in the past: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=206550
plus, the classic Hazet "assistant" tool trolley has been discussed as well: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16982&highlight=classic+Hazet+tool+cart
 
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zuspiel, do you think the blob of hard resin, is a visual indicator from the production line that signals the ratchet is quality control passed or ready for shipment? Thats the only thing that came to my mind, that it was "complete" or "passed" in the Hazet tool production process...

A quick search of the web turned up quite a few Hazet tool dealers here in the states online:

http://chadstoolbox.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=585
http://www.asttool.com/search_results.php?stype=special&manf=Hazet
http://zdmak.com/wbstore/main.asp?action=Cat&Cat=HAZET&bl=12
http://www.floridatools.net/wbstore/main.asp?action=Cat&Cat=HAZET
http://www.themotoringshop.com/index.php
http://www.samstagsales.com/hazet.htm
http://www.zelenda.com/Hazet/hazet.html
http://www.automotivetools.com/cgi-...ore/c-Specialty_Tools_-_Hazet2.html?E+scstore
 
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My sense is, compared to say Snap-On (which finishes their tools to a high chrome luster and almost blinding mirror finish); the German tool finish is generally a matt, under stated "spartan", more utilitarian, and simple design/esthetic.

That is an interesting point, and one I have been considering lately.

I have many Snap-on high polish chrome tools, most of which are in the neighborhood of 30 years old and saw daily professional use for 20 years.

They are well worn, but still completely functional. The mirror finish has been worn off in spots, and even when clean they look like 30 year old tools.

On the other hand, I also have many matte finish tools (there might even be a Hazet hiding out there somewhere), some of which are older than I am. Although they have seen lots of use as well, they still look more like they did when new than the Snappys. There is some aesthetic appeal in that that speaks to function over flash.
 

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zuspiel, you might enjoy this video that shows that production process of your Hazet ratchet! It is in German; I just wish I understood German! LOL! :) http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/02_film_gallileo/
After seeing that video; I want a Hazet ratchet now!!!!
More videos in German and English:
http://www.hazet.de/de/download-service/film-archiv.html
http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/05_film_image/
http://www.hazet.de/en/products/hits-tool-clips.html
 
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Just snapped a few pics of my one Hazet ratchet (including indecent ones with it laid bare... F80 for comparison.

One thing that struck me is the thickness of the plate...

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Thanks for the picts. Those are nice. Does anybody think the cover plate NEEDS to be that thick? Does it contribute to the strength of the ratchet in any way?
 

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Hazet does make really nice strong tools, I have used their torx sockets for years because they are do tough, I'm not that worrried if I break one because I haven't done that but a couple times over twenty years. I just buy them a couple at a time to alway cover myself.
 

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zuspiel, you might enjoy this video that shows that production process of your Hazet ratchet! It is in German; I just wish I understood German! LOL! :) http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/02_film_gallileo/
After seeing that video; I want a Hazet ratchet now!!!!
More videos in German and English:
http://www.hazet.de/de/download-service/film-archiv.html
http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/05_film_image/
http://www.hazet.de/en/products/hits-tool-clips.html

Those vids are very cool!!
 

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I've said this before but it seems the "German way" of doing things is: to be very "step by step" and mothodical, show you their production process, very detailed and don't really "hide anything"; they are proud and confident in showing their production process.... In my view this is a classic German cultural trait: a obsession with details, design, engineering, production, precision, efficiency and quality of their products! In comparison to Snapon, Hazet seems to be like a "open book"; US companies always seem to use the terms "corporate/trade secrets", non disclosure agreements, etc. etc.; I have yet to see Snapon show much of anything of their production of their tools or go in to much detail about their production processes. What is it about German/European companies that seem to say; "here we are and look/see how we make our products!" and in comparison US companies are very secretive about how things are done and made in their factories! I would love to see the same equivalent Hazet videos of Snapon's tools and production processes! We have seen a book on ebay a couple of times called "how a tool is born" by Snapon; it is a booklet that was handed out at Snapon factory tours circa 40s/50s; I would love for someone to post pics of this book and see how they made tools back then. I would assume Snapon's processes, tooling, forging and other finishing processes would be similar to Hazet.....
Sorry to hound you will questions... Zuspiel but can you comment on differences between German perspectives on tools/production/quality vs. here in the USA? :)
 
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those ARE cool. It's like watching Discovery channel's how stuff is made.

You know what's funny??? Even though i can't understand the language, I can't watch the video without sound. It EASIER for me to watch with the sound, even though I have no idea what they're saying.
 
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Oh, man! Thanks for the pics! That ratcheting mechanism on the Hazet looks identical to early Snap-On ratchets; I always wonder, if companies use each others designs under license.... So, what is your overall feeling about Hazet tools and what is the ratchet like compared to the Snap-On?

No problem. I'm glad I can sometimes contribute something interesting here. You guys know way more about tools than me...

I can't really say anything about Hazet in general. I picked up this ratchet 15 years ago b/c my one ultra cheapy broke. I bought it in Switzerland and I think it cost around $20. I was an undergrad at the time so I'm positive it didn't cost more :)

The ratchet feels really solid and strong. It has 32 teeth, so it's not all that smooth but quite passable. Compared to the F80, it's coarse, though (well, no surprise here...). The plastic of the handle has held up well but I do prefer either a round metal handle or a real grip. The plastic on the Hazet helps when things get slippery, though... However, I haven't used it much since I got my SO ratchets. That probably sums it up best...

We all have heard that the German tool industry seems to have a different philosophy when it comes to warranting tools; it seems that once something is worn out, you are supposed to buy another one! You have made your money with the tool, it has served its purpose and now it is time to "buy another one". This is different then the "satisfaction warranty", that traditionally was part of the USA sense of a warranty on tools. Can you clarify this and is this true? Can you also comment on German design, fit/finish of their tools? My sense is, compared to say Snap-On (which finishes their tools to a high chrome luster and almost blinding mirror finish); the German tool finish is generally a matt, under stated "spartan", more utilitarian, and simple design/esthetic. I think this is a design philosophy that pervades German products from their automobiles, furniture, appliances, knives and just about anything made there; these design principles are part of influences of the Bauhaus school of design and the "International Modern Style", "form follows function" and "less is more" sensibility (Minimalism); would you agree and comment on this?

Sorry that I can't say anything about the German tool industry. I only built model planes and boats when I was living in Europe and made do with mostly cheap tools.

I do agree with you on the form-follows-function design approach. When most Germans (well, teenagers excluded ;-) buy something, substance matters more than bling. A matt finish works just as well. If a professional tool would be offered in both matt and, for $5 more, in fully polished and chromed, 90% of the sales would come from the matt finished, cheaper version. "Understatement" is quite a big thing in Germany. Bling is not... Or I should say "was not", it seems to me that thing are changing...

As for good, utilitarian design, here's a small example I saw in Karlsruhe last year:

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It's the sign on an emergency staircase. I imagine it probably cost $500 for designing, making, and installing it. And people in Germany wonder why the local industry has a hard time competing on the global market... It is perfect, though :)

Your pics are awesome, what camera are you using.... you aren't using a Leica are you (another great German product!)? :)

Dangerous territory here... :) Photography has always been a hobby of mine, I even freelanced on the side for a while... The pics were taken with a Canon G9, which is about as close as you're going to get to a Leica M8 without robbing a bank. Nice little camera (it's smaller than the smallest lens I have in my pro gear arsenal ;-)

We have also discussed Hazet tools in the past: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=206550
plus, the classic Hazet "assistant" tool trolley has been discussed as well: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16982&highlight=classic+Hazet+tool+cart

I now remember seeing a cart like that in Germany. Quite neat!

BTW, I own a set of Mies v.d. Rohe chairs ("inherited" from my parents :bounce:)
 

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zuspiel, do you think the blob of hard resin, is a visual indicator from the production line that signals the ratchet is quality control passed or ready for shipment? Thats the only thing that came to my mind, that it was "complete" or "passed" in the Hazet tool production process...

Your guess is as good as mine. It's almost in the center, so I would guess it was put there by hand, on purpose...
 

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zuspiel, you might enjoy this video that shows that production process of your Hazet ratchet! It is in German; I just wish I understood German! LOL! :) http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/02_film_gallileo/
After seeing that video; I want a Hazet ratchet now!!!!

Awesome! Whole story about "black cases" (makeup vs. ratchet set).

The first wrench test failed at 800kg (almost 1800 lb)!!! The second one (with the pic of the broken wrench afterwards) showed what happens if the steel isn't tempered. About the finish: they say it takes 18 different chemical baths in addition to chrome.
 

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I have an 804 tool box but I wish I could find an Assistant for a reasonable price. i always thought one would make a nice track side kit.
 

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Thanks for the picts. Those are nice. Does anybody think the cover plate NEEDS to be that thick? Does it contribute to the strength of the ratchet in any way?

Thanks.

It might contribute to the strength marginally. There is definitely no "flimsy" feel when you screw the Torx back in...

Now I have to confess something: I have never lubed the ratchet in 15 years. And the rather light oil was still there... So it's sealed pretty well :)

Now that I've had it open, I might get me some Permatex in there :bounce:
 

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Sorry to hound you will questions... Zuspiel but can you comment on differences between German perspectives on tools/production/quality vs. here in the USA? :)

Again, I'm afraid I don't know much of anything... (wow, would never have said that when I was 18 or 20 ;-)

However, one observation I have is that the courts and justice system still work in Germany. And common sense is not completely absent. Everybody that tries to copy a design or process will get into trouble. Plus, none of the pros will buy a clear knock-off...
 

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Vicegrip, Holy ****, Batman! Are those a bunch of 911 engines in the background? Are you a serious Porsche nut or what?
Ohh, man... I just figured out and saw a link to your shop.... lotsa kraut obsession here...LOL! I have been into VWs for a long time; your Porsche obsession is very apparent! Are you involved with Porsche's for your job? Also, do you have allot of German tools for your Porsche fixation? When I was in Germany for a month; believe it or not, I was all over and probably could count on one hand how many Porsche's I saw, I just assumed they would be everywhere! I guess most of the Porsche production goes overseas.... a good portion of it, probably to California!

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