Hazet tool thread
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Ordered a 12,30EUR set of Hazet screwdrivers off of Amazon.de cause it seemed like a really good deal. Somehow they messed up the order cause I got a set of allen keys I did not order at all. Can't be mad about that. They seem to be decently made. Maybe I'm a little spoiled but if I put them next to my knurled PB Swiss set or my Bondhus set they just don't seem to hold that fine of a finish. In general, it's what I expect from a German tool brand.
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Those hex keys are made by Inbus.
Ordered a 12,30EUR set of Hazet screwdrivers off of Amazon.de cause it seemed like a really good deal. Somehow they messed up the order cause I got a set of allen keys I did not order at all. Can't be mad about that. They seem to be decently made. Maybe I'm a little spoiled but if I put them next to my knurled PB Swiss set or my Bondhus set they just don't seem to hold that fine of a finish. In general, it's what I expect from a German tool brand.
No, they’re not quite the quality of Bondhus or PB.
Like many German tool manufacturers, Hazet are basically a forging company. Their core range of tools - wrenches, socket wrenches, tool boxes, and in Hazet’s case the many specialised tools they offer, are all made in house, and are high quality (albeit in the German style).
But all the other things needed to fill up the catalogue - hex keys, screwdrivers, pliers, are all bought in.
Where Hazet are concerned, I don’t always agree with where they source their bought in tools. Their Oplast screwdrivers (especially the slightly better ones) are “o.k.” but they’re not the quality of the older ones. All you say regarding hex keys is true.
But I think we have to accept that German tool manufacturers are very different to U.S. ones there are never going to be Hazet tool trucks worldwide!
So Hazet have to look after their existing customers. Many of those are industrial, and that’s a world that has got much more price sensitive. If Hazet were to reintroduce their beautiful forged screwdrivers today, and charge what they had to, I doubt their traditional customers would buy them.
You also see Hazet in some high street stores in Germany. Often not the core tools, sometimes just rebranded things like these drivers and hex keys. I view them almost as “merchandising”.
If I was Hazet I wouldn’t do this. It’s devalued their name. But if it brings them some income, and allows them to sell me decent stuff at reasonable prices, who am I to say their strategy is wrong!
I fully agree, though they're for sure really nice for what I paid for them. I recently also got myself a PB Swiss classic handle set, and it is certainly nicer but it was about 3 times as much... My favourite is probably still the Vessel Powergrip series.
Thanks for letting me know about the Inbus hex keys. I find that very cool. I have some old Inbus keys. The name of that company is synonymous with a hex key in my language - probably the first to bring those screws in central Europe way back. I know some old German bikes like the NSU Superfox would use two or three allen head screws at some special applications inside the engine in the 50's and they would be stamped INBUS on top.
Actually makes me somewhat excited to use these new innensechskantschraubenschlüssels for my innensechskantschraube.
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I received a small package from Poland today. Top 2 are mint. 
Just arrived yesterday and it’s all the Hazet I own so far besides a long neck funnel. It’s a “quiet” version, which I will test out tomorrow.
Actually, I forgot I also picked up some of these 610N box ends. Part of me wants to complete the set with the larger sizes, but they are so short I’m not sure I imagine actually using them on larger hex bolts. They are very thin and light. I was considering they might be more prone to making it into one of my mobile kits instead of the tool box.
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I can confirm that the mueller-kueps totes are identical to the Hazet 190L-1. Looks like they came off the same mold. I liked the 190L-1 so much I wanted one or two more. Or six more for ~$100 on eBay.
Edit- LOL. Reading my own post I noticed for the first time the ‘buttresses’ under the ends of the handle are different. So not identical.
Edit- LOL. Reading my own post I noticed for the first time the ‘buttresses’ under the ends of the handle are different. So not identical.
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Orangina
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Hello everyone,
new arrival in my collection of rare old HAZET special tools for air-cooled Volkswagen etc.:
HAZET 2586 ignition adjustment tool (1969-1972)
This ignition timing adjustment tool for old mechanical rotation ignition distributors with a yellow-transparent handle and gray cable with a blue plug was for old VW type 1 (classic beetle and others like that) and type 2 (old T2 / bay window transporter & bus) vehicle classes. Several tools, such as a test lamp, open-end or ring spanner, which are required for ignition adjustment, are replaced by this HAZET 2586.
Remove the distributor cap from the ignition distributor and switch on the ignition. Turn the crankshaft until the ignition timing mark (at the front in driving direction) with 7.5° before TDC is on the housing parting line. Attach the cable to terminal 1 of the ignition coil (usually a green cable also runs from there to the distributor capacitor). If the test lamp does not light up, position the tool so that the clamping screw of the ignition distributor is clamped between the ring spanner and socket wrench. Loosen the 10 mm screw by turning the handle. Turn the ignition distributor clockwise until the breaker contact is closed. Then turn the distributor anti-clockwise until the contact begins to open and the test lamp lights up. Retighten the 10 mm clamping screw on the distributor and check the timing again. Put the distributor cap on.
The inscriptions on the yellow transparent handle are "HAZET" and "2586" on one side and "CHR.-VAN." for chrome-vanadium, "D.B.G.M." on the other side for registered German federal utility pattern and "GERMANY". On the socket secured with a slotted screw in the tool "Hazet" (yes, little "a"), below it small "GERMANY" and below that "2586" and a "10".
The tool only appears in catalogs from 1969 to 1972 - cannot be found in catalogs before 1967 or after 1976. From 1988 to 2005 there was a clamping wedge set “2586 N” for exhaust systems.
regards,
new arrival in my collection of rare old HAZET special tools for air-cooled Volkswagen etc.:
HAZET 2586 ignition adjustment tool (1969-1972)
This ignition timing adjustment tool for old mechanical rotation ignition distributors with a yellow-transparent handle and gray cable with a blue plug was for old VW type 1 (classic beetle and others like that) and type 2 (old T2 / bay window transporter & bus) vehicle classes. Several tools, such as a test lamp, open-end or ring spanner, which are required for ignition adjustment, are replaced by this HAZET 2586.
Remove the distributor cap from the ignition distributor and switch on the ignition. Turn the crankshaft until the ignition timing mark (at the front in driving direction) with 7.5° before TDC is on the housing parting line. Attach the cable to terminal 1 of the ignition coil (usually a green cable also runs from there to the distributor capacitor). If the test lamp does not light up, position the tool so that the clamping screw of the ignition distributor is clamped between the ring spanner and socket wrench. Loosen the 10 mm screw by turning the handle. Turn the ignition distributor clockwise until the breaker contact is closed. Then turn the distributor anti-clockwise until the contact begins to open and the test lamp lights up. Retighten the 10 mm clamping screw on the distributor and check the timing again. Put the distributor cap on.
The inscriptions on the yellow transparent handle are "HAZET" and "2586" on one side and "CHR.-VAN." for chrome-vanadium, "D.B.G.M." on the other side for registered German federal utility pattern and "GERMANY". On the socket secured with a slotted screw in the tool "Hazet" (yes, little "a"), below it small "GERMANY" and below that "2586" and a "10".
The tool only appears in catalogs from 1969 to 1972 - cannot be found in catalogs before 1967 or after 1976. From 1988 to 2005 there was a clamping wedge set “2586 N” for exhaust systems.
regards,
Orangina
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and hello again
HAZET 2597 parallel claw tensioner for torsion bar stabilizer (1972)
Tensioner with two star grip screws (one is fixed) for mounting the stabilizer under the front axle on VW type 1 (classic beetle and others like that, except 1302 and 1302S) and type 2 (as transporter & bus) vehicle classes.
Inscriptions on one side of the claw are "HAZET", below in small "GERMANY", "2597" and "DBGM" for registered German federal utility pattern and on the other side "CHROM VANADIUM".
This tool only appears in the 1972 catalog - it is not included in the 1970 catalog before or after 1976. Later there were two other tools with a completely different function with this number no longer for air-cooled Volkswagens. Only briefly around 1979 an open 17 mm double ring spanner for diesel injection lines and since 2000 as a curved bit holder as a door hinge tool.
regards,
HAZET 2597 parallel claw tensioner for torsion bar stabilizer (1972)
Tensioner with two star grip screws (one is fixed) for mounting the stabilizer under the front axle on VW type 1 (classic beetle and others like that, except 1302 and 1302S) and type 2 (as transporter & bus) vehicle classes.
Inscriptions on one side of the claw are "HAZET", below in small "GERMANY", "2597" and "DBGM" for registered German federal utility pattern and on the other side "CHROM VANADIUM".
This tool only appears in the 1972 catalog - it is not included in the 1970 catalog before or after 1976. Later there were two other tools with a completely different function with this number no longer for air-cooled Volkswagens. Only briefly around 1979 an open 17 mm double ring spanner for diesel injection lines and since 2000 as a curved bit holder as a door hinge tool.
regards,
Orangina
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HAZET 1960 bodywork sheet metal cutter (1958-2010, this version 1965-1976)
before and after my refresh - had some signs of use:
regards,
before and after my refresh - had some signs of use:
regards,
Orangina
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Cheers (en/us), Prost (de), Salud (es), Santé (fr), Salute (it), Skal (se/no/dk), ...
some beer coaster:
and classic (100th anniversary in 1968 and a golden version around the year 2000) and new bottle opener
have a nice weekend
some beer coaster:
and classic (100th anniversary in 1968 and a golden version around the year 2000) and new bottle opener
have a nice weekend
Orangina
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Hello everyone,
completed my rare classic Hazet 2510 tool set for flywheel and rear axle of Volkswagens (from 1950 to 1972) with
- but they are big and heavy - keep in mind it is a 36 mm socket.
and completed my new set of left and right hand sheet metal profile snips HAZET 1961 L-2 and 1961 R-2 with lever transmission system for easy metal work:
regards,
completed my rare classic Hazet 2510 tool set for flywheel and rear axle of Volkswagens (from 1950 to 1972) with
- the rotating rod HAZET 1014
- the 3/4" sliding piece HAZET 1015,
- the 36 mm 3/4" socket Hazet 1056 especially for VWs (for the rear axle of a T2 bay window bus you need a 46 mm socket),
- the guide plate Hazet 2511 and
- the lever extension Hazet 2512.
- but they are big and heavy - keep in mind it is a 36 mm socket.and completed my new set of left and right hand sheet metal profile snips HAZET 1961 L-2 and 1961 R-2 with lever transmission system for easy metal work:
regards,
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Orangina
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Hello everyone,
some more vintage tools:
a 9/16" hex drive ratchet Hazet 230-57 and set as sold as Hazet 230 (1925-1933) at least since around 1925
I guess this is a prior set around 1925 because of its 22/20/18/16/14/12/10 mm sockets -
instead of sizes that are more common later as in 1930 to this day (e.g. 13 mm).
The end of the ratchet is a screwdriver. The 9 mm square drive holes are for an extension (one side square drive and one side hex drive) that is missing here.
It is made by Belzer
(founded 1884 in the neighborhood after Hazet; at early times used logo with a hat, sometimes within this warranty circle).
and a Hazet 914 (1933-1938) angled handle used in 1/2" socket sets as 904 without a ratchet.
At its time black phosphated - I just repainted it matt black.
have a nice weekend & regards,
some more vintage tools:
a 9/16" hex drive ratchet Hazet 230-57 and set as sold as Hazet 230 (1925-1933) at least since around 1925
I guess this is a prior set around 1925 because of its 22/20/18/16/14/12/10 mm sockets -
instead of sizes that are more common later as in 1930 to this day (e.g. 13 mm).
The end of the ratchet is a screwdriver. The 9 mm square drive holes are for an extension (one side square drive and one side hex drive) that is missing here.
It is made by Belzer
(founded 1884 in the neighborhood after Hazet; at early times used logo with a hat, sometimes within this warranty circle).
and a Hazet 914 (1933-1938) angled handle used in 1/2" socket sets as 904 without a ratchet.
At its time black phosphated - I just repainted it matt black.
have a nice weekend & regards,
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For those of us in the USA, It appears that HAZET is having a sale. I've never seen pricing this low on Amazon (plus free international shipping) for the Hazet pliers wrench:
I have all of these already, but If I didn't, I'd get them @ that price. That's crazy. I think I paid double that (plus shipping) a year ago when these were released. EVERYONE will have an opinion on who makes the best, but my vote are for the Hazet version and I'm saying that as an owner of the Knipex, NWS, Gedore, Klein and Icon versions of these in various sizes.
Yes, I'm a weirdo.
I have all of these already, but If I didn't, I'd get them @ that price. That's crazy. I think I paid double that (plus shipping) a year ago when these were released. EVERYONE will have an opinion on who makes the best, but my vote are for the Hazet version and I'm saying that as an owner of the Knipex, NWS, Gedore, Klein and Icon versions of these in various sizes.
Yes, I'm a weirdo.
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These better than Knipex?
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In my opinion, yes. I feel like the Knipex are amazing, but the Hazet's are next level. SUPER high quality and I like the grips more. These clean up easier then my NWS stuff too.
For the price, Its really hard not to order another full set of these...
Orangina
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The hinge reduces the maximum possible forces, both technically and in terms of handling.
So why a HP (High Perfomance) version? Because of the 90 theeth?
They have the standard 32 teeth 1/2″ 916 GL (German "Gelenk" = hinge, German "Lang" = long) for max force.
As the only innovation in this segment I see is the 3/8″ 8816 HPKV for electric vehicles with protective insulation (Kilo Volt = 1000 Volt) - beside the known 3/8″ 8816 KV and 1/2″ 916 KV and other tools. So the 916 HPKV could come next...
regards,
So why a HP (High Perfomance) version? Because of the 90 theeth?
They have the standard 32 teeth 1/2″ 916 GL (German "Gelenk" = hinge, German "Lang" = long) for max force.
As the only innovation in this segment I see is the 3/8″ 8816 HPKV for electric vehicles with protective insulation (Kilo Volt = 1000 Volt) - beside the known 3/8″ 8816 KV and 1/2″ 916 KV and other tools. So the 916 HPKV could come next...
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Yes, for the 90 teeth (doesn’t have to be 90, but 32 is low in a ratchet used for difficult access). But also for the high strength and low slop / play of the HiPer design compared to the old ones.
Since the Stahlwille designs are not very convincing (weak hinge, plastic buttons), there aren’t a lot of options easily available to Europeans. Maybe a couple of non-rebuildable Taiwanese Facoms?
Since the Stahlwille designs are not very convincing (weak hinge, plastic buttons), there aren’t a lot of options easily available to Europeans. Maybe a couple of non-rebuildable Taiwanese Facoms?
Some of the Facom ratchets are made in Italy by USAG. They're not bad by any means (I'd put many Facom tools in better regard than a lot of German tools).
Yes, most ratchets here in Europe feel a bit outdated.
Koken does import to Europe. So does Snap On. Bahco 80 tooth is the snappy dual-80 design but sadly they only come in one handle design. Also through Amazon it is easy to import a lot of stuff, I have a Nepros and a Proto ratchet.
I’m looking for a flex-head (hinged) ratchet, though.
Facom doesn’t have much choice in those today, and I don’t think any of them are made in Europe. I like being able to open the mechanism to clean and lubricate it – don’t think that’s possible with the Taiwan-made JXL.171, etc.
I often like flex-head ratchets even when they’re not strictly required for access, because they allow you to put the plane of the swing of the handle as close as possible to the fastener head, eliminating cam-out forces to zero.
I often see mechanics needlessly using a deep socket or extension with a fixed-head ratchet, sometimes not even holding the ratchet head with their other hand to reduce the cam-out forces. And, sure enough, too many old things I work on show damage from slipped tools.
But back to Facom hinged ratchets. For over three years I have had a search notification on Leboncoin (French classified ads) for:
There is clearly more demand for hinged ratchets today than there was back when Facom made these beauties.
I have and love some Snap-on tools, but they’re too expensive for every whim I have.
I should probably bite the bullet and import something from Japan, but it feels like hard work …
Facom doesn’t have much choice in those today, and I don’t think any of them are made in Europe. I like being able to open the mechanism to clean and lubricate it – don’t think that’s possible with the Taiwan-made JXL.171, etc.
I often like flex-head ratchets even when they’re not strictly required for access, because they allow you to put the plane of the swing of the handle as close as possible to the fastener head, eliminating cam-out forces to zero.
I often see mechanics needlessly using a deep socket or extension with a fixed-head ratchet, sometimes not even holding the ratchet head with their other hand to reduce the cam-out forces. And, sure enough, too many old things I work on show damage from slipped tools.
But back to Facom hinged ratchets. For over three years I have had a search notification on Leboncoin (French classified ads) for:
- S.158A (1/2″-drive long flex-head all-steel)
- J.158A (3/8″-drive long flex-head all-steel)
There is clearly more demand for hinged ratchets today than there was back when Facom made these beauties.
I have and love some Snap-on tools, but they’re too expensive for every whim I have.
I should probably bite the bullet and import something from Japan, but it feels like hard work …
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Is this used like a hatchet or something?HAZET 1960 bodywork sheet metal cutter (1958-2010, this version 1965-1976)
before and after my refresh - had some signs of use:
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Orangina
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The HAZET 1960 has a hammer head at the rear end that you can hit with a soft-face hammer
to drive the replaceable blade through sheet metal.
But you don't just hit the sheet metal aimlessly with it - so not to use like a hatchet.
I use something similar today more replaceable than this ancient tool,
(a type of spatula with a continuous metal bar inside to a hammer end - but without a replaceable blade so broken means a lot of waste)
if I have drilled out welding points or cut out metall pieces but something is still hanging somewhere difficult to reach.
The translated original description from older catalogs 1958:
The tool is used for cutting particularly hard-to-reach areas, such as door sills, body floors, wheel arches, etc. The sheet metal cutter is operated by striking the hammer-like part of the tool with a plastic hammer. The thickened, sturdy handle fits comfortably and steadily in the hand for safe guidance.
and from 1969 with new blade design:
When cutting, a thin strip of sheet metal is formed that spirals out, preventing burrs or sharp edges and preventing the sheet from wrinkling. The milled groove prevents the cutter from penetrating too deeply into the sheet metal.
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to drive the replaceable blade through sheet metal.
But you don't just hit the sheet metal aimlessly with it - so not to use like a hatchet.
I use something similar today more replaceable than this ancient tool,
(a type of spatula with a continuous metal bar inside to a hammer end - but without a replaceable blade so broken means a lot of waste)
if I have drilled out welding points or cut out metall pieces but something is still hanging somewhere difficult to reach.
The translated original description from older catalogs 1958:
The tool is used for cutting particularly hard-to-reach areas, such as door sills, body floors, wheel arches, etc. The sheet metal cutter is operated by striking the hammer-like part of the tool with a plastic hammer. The thickened, sturdy handle fits comfortably and steadily in the hand for safe guidance.
and from 1969 with new blade design:
When cutting, a thin strip of sheet metal is formed that spirals out, preventing burrs or sharp edges and preventing the sheet from wrinkling. The milled groove prevents the cutter from penetrating too deeply into the sheet metal.
regards,
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Theres clearly limited options for flex head ratchets in Europe, probably because techs haven't used them to see the benefit. IMO you need high tooth count more on a flexhead than a standard ratchet.
Instead of chasing non existent Facom ratchets, go for a Koken. I think theres many dealers in Europe so you don't have to order from Japan.
I went with Stahlwille but I feel the Koken should be more "quality"
See this thread
Koken or Stahlwille Ratchet
Looking to buy a locking flex head ratchet other than my usual matco. I'm trying to decide between 3/8 drive Koken or Stahlwille. Koken has lower tooth count and I work is a lot of confined areas, but I like the metal handle. Koken only makes a 3/8 version of this ratchet were Stahlwille makes...
www.garagejournal.com
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Is the yellow handled plier a Klein? Why does it have serrations on the outside of the jaw?
Just comparing these to what I have at home.
You can turn it around so the serrations are on the inside of the jaw and grab pipe or whatever. Convenient if you don’t have another tool. It is a Klein.
those buttons on mine are not made of plastic
the newer batch has plastic buttons now?
Orangina
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Hello everyone,
HAZET 781-3 (1938-2005) universal wheel hub puller (this version from the '70s to '90s) with handle for hammer blows and around 12 lbs (5.2 kg) to complete my large tool cabinet 101 (ok, there it was the version with 5 arms - but 2 arms in good condition are now easier to find).
HAZET 1991-1 (2018-today) infrared thermometer with two intersecting laser pointers for target and distance detection to check engine parts
and an old promotional item HAZET CL4016 (~1990s) a simple Swiss made wristwatch with stopwatch and calendar
have a nice weekend & regards,
HAZET 781-3 (1938-2005) universal wheel hub puller (this version from the '70s to '90s) with handle for hammer blows and around 12 lbs (5.2 kg) to complete my large tool cabinet 101 (ok, there it was the version with 5 arms - but 2 arms in good condition are now easier to find).
HAZET 1991-1 (2018-today) infrared thermometer with two intersecting laser pointers for target and distance detection to check engine parts
and an old promotional item HAZET CL4016 (~1990s) a simple Swiss made wristwatch with stopwatch and calendar
have a nice weekend & regards,
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