Hein Werner OS

[tatra]

elroy, as always great pics and text..........now about the nylon washers, no concern about the compression of the matierial when weight is added?.........i can see the reasoning for adding a washer but wouldn't brass or steel have been a better substitute?................i do understand that the wheels under the saddle do take the brunt of the load but still question the use of nylon on the casters............not trying to criticize but learn and understand your reasoning for the use of them.............looking forwrd to further updates..........thanx in advance for your time and effort........

 

[Elroy]

about the nylon washers, no concern about the compression of the matierial when weight is added?

An excellent question and we thank you for your inquire. May I offer this explanation as clarification.

When a load in applied to the jack the majority of it is in deed going to be carried by the larger diameter front wheels. The small portion that is carried by the rear casters is going to be transferred by the 1/4" ball bearings located above the wheel. The nylon washers are located on the bottom below the load, they really only "hang" in place. Now to be fair there will be some load applied to them. That being the moment developed from the vertical load through the ball bearing and the eccentric that is machined into the caster yoke.

My main thought was to eliminate as much metal to metal contact as possible to help maintain the integrity of the paint. When Elroy gets done with this thing it isn't coming apart for a another 50 years! Is going to need as much corrosion protection as possible.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Admirable attention to the details there Elroy! Looking very nice indeed.

 

[Elroy]

Well Buck you know what they say;

You can polish a turd all day long and when you're done it's still a turd. That's exactly what this thing is. A old rusty, bent and worn out turd.

Hiball called it right off the bat.

This old thing was so worn out it should have gone in the trash. There wasn't a single part that didn't have some kind of issue. The ONLY saving grace is the fact it's a old design that is truly rebuildable. Made in an age where quality and durability were the hall marks of good equipment.

I guess you could say Elroy is just an old turd polisher.

 

[Elroy]

And a little more turd polishing to close out the week end. Notice the factory defect in assembly. The steel bushing in the handle that guide the retractable pins for handle removal are notched. This view shows the correct bushing index:

This view shows the bushing on the other side was install with the clearance notch improperly indexed.

Notice the roller pin for the pump roller is also beat. What a turd. Elroy spoke with the owner this afternoon and advised him of all the problems. Jimmy stated, Fix It, There are "hundred dollar bills waiting"

That's a good friend!

 

[walrus]

This is a cool project, thanks for all the pics. Its weird what people want done, never would guessed someone had an attachment to a floor jack. To each their own I guess

 

[Uncle Buck]

This is a cool project, thanks for all the pics. Its weird what people want done, never would guessed someone had an attachment to a floor jack. To each their own I guess

With an old jack like that one I would consider the investment of the effort spent easily worthwhile even if there was no sentimental attachment whatsoever. Sometimes these involved projects are worth the extraordinary effort required simply because the cool factor of the old tool or machine involved such as this is just that high.

 

[Hiball]

With an old jack like that one I would consider the investment of the effort spent easily worthwhile even if there was no sentimental attachment whatsoever. Sometimes these involved projects are worth the extraordinary effort required simply because the cool factor of the old tool or machine involved such as this is just that high.

Comparing that jack to the majority of the jacks unloaded by Walmart, Costco, Sears, "some of the current" Snapon, Matco, Mac or any of the numersous Superbuyallyouwant centers is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette. That jack will last its owner Many years if used properly. How many $79 dollar 3 ton (what a joke) jacks do you think a normal person is gonna use in a 20 year period? It boils down to owning something you are gonna be proud of, or something that your gonna have to replace right when you really need it.

 

[walrus]

Comparing that jack to the majority of the jacks unloaded by Walmart, Costco, Sears, "some of the current" Snapon, Matco, Mac or any of the numersous Superbuyallyouwant centers is like comparing a Corvette to a Chevette. That jack will last its owner Many years if used properly. How many $79 dollar 3 ton (what a joke) jacks do you think a normal person is gonna use in a 20 year period? It boils down to owning something you are gonna be proud of, or something that your gonna have to replace right when you really need it.

I don't think their is any doubt about that, I have 2 Mac floor jacks that I got for a song, one is missing its casters, the other works fine. Both well built pieces of equipment, probably 30 years old? Need to find some casters so I have 2 working. I doubt I would restore either the way Elroy is though. I would fix them to keep them useable though

 

[Hiball]

I don't think their is any doubt about that, I have 2 Mac floor jacks that I got for a song, one is missing its casters, the other works fine. Both well built pieces of equipment, probably 30 years old? Need to find some casters so I have 2 working. I doubt I would restore either the way Elroy is though. I would fix them to keep them useable though

Pictures? I might be able to assist in finding the casters. Im not really sure what brand mac sold 30 years ago, But i gurantee i could be of more help with some pictures of the pump and Unit itself. On another note 30 years ago there was a lot of quality products being sold but over time, greed has got in the way and we are now stuck with a surplus of JUNK.

 

[Elroy]

I have 2 Mac floor jacks that I got for a song, one is missing its casters, the other works fine.......
Need to find some casters so I have 2 working.

Pictures? I might be able to assist in finding the casters. Im not really sure what brand mac sold 30 years ago, But i gurantee i could be of more help with some pictures of the pump and Unit itself.

Now there is a problem and a very generous offer that proposes a solution. You can't beat that with a stick !!

Yep' Hiball is a stand up kind of guy.

Ya what HE SAID.

Walrus, You need to take ole Hiball up on this offer! He came through for Elroy! Bet he could do the same for you. A most excellent and gracious gesture

 

[-B-]

Time spent wisely pays for it's self I cannot wait to tear into mine.

 

[jhn9840]

love these threads with Elroy fixing up those wonderful old tools. Can't wait for next weekends updates. Thank you for taking the time to document everything so well.

jhn9840
John

 

[walrus]

Now there is a problem and a very generous offer that proposes a solution. You can't beat that with a stick !!



Ya what HE SAID.

Walrus, You need to take ole Hiball up on this offer! He came through for Elroy! Bet he could do the same for you. A most excellent and gracious gesture

When I get a chance I'll get some pics, don't want to hijack your thread though. I'll start another when I get around to it.

 

[Elroy]

Been gone a day or two and really didn't polish the ole turd much other than to start trial assembly on the frame. No matter how careful one is there is always the small paint chips. Considering the starting condition those will be fully acceptable.

Cylinder Assembly is staged to happen then Elroy can call this extended project finished. It's been more work than we really wanted to get into but that's what typically happens on an old piece of equipment that is flat worn out to begin with. So far it has turned out fairly nice.

 

[speed bump]

On your question about Ball bearings Elroy I checked and I can still buy them at the hardware store, our Napa carries them and if I am willing to wait the 2 weeks until the guy comes into town I can get them from US bearings I don't know why you had such a hard time finding them there.

The jack is looking good by the way.

 

[Elroy]

On your question about Ball bearings.....
our Napa carries them

NAPA...........

Well that is an excellent suggestion. Never considered them as a source. We'll file that one away and recall it when we're in the market again.

Thank you.

 

[-B-]

I missed it what size bearings are you looking for?

 

[Elroy]

I missed it what size bearings are you looking for?

Elroy needed 52 pieces of a 1/4" steel bearing ball for this:

 

[Uncle Buck]

Elroy, your rebuild looks to be progressing as I would expect it too. Very well done ol chap!

 

[Elroy]

Thank you kindly for the complement. Elroy enjoys this type of work but it sure has blown a big hole in the last several week ends and we still have the cylinder to assemble and paint.

At this point it's just slapped together.

Elroy is looking forward to snapping a few shots of the OS and WS side by side when it's all done.

You'll **** yourself when Elroy adds up all the parts. Would you care to take a guess ??

It hasn't been cheap. You can forget the labor. That's on Elroy.

 

[Uncle Buck]

thank you kindly for the complement. Elroy enjoys this type of work but it sure has blown a big hole in the last several week ends and we still have the cylinder to assemble and paint.

At this point it's just slapped together.

Elroy is looking forward to snapping a few shots of the os and ws side by side when it's all done.

You'll **** yourself when elroy adds up all the parts. Would you care to take a guess ??

It hasn't been cheap. You can forget the labor. That's on elroy.

$150--200?

 

[-B-]

Elroy should have gone to the bicycle shop 1/4" is one of the most common sizes needed on a bike. Or had I seen the need would have as many as need no issues as B has thousands of grade 24 bearings on hand 1/8-1/4"


B is going to do the preliminary on his next week

 

[Elroy]

Well it's a nice evening in Louisville tonight so Elroy sprayed a little paint. Besides that, the base primer has had several days to dry. It's time to finish this up.

We also noticed the number "4" forged into the handle. Anyone have a clue what that would stand for??

 

[billymade]

Is the handle 4' long? I wonder if that is it?

 

[Elroy]

Is the handle 4' long? I wonder if that is it?

Well ole Elroy would never have believed it but Billymade's suggestion just proved out. From the end of the handle to the center line of the pins is right at 48". with in a 1/16"

Who knows, maybe Hein-Werner offered different length handles?? We can tell you one thing for fact, this particular handle is constructed entirely different that the "OS" handle shown in the parts lists.

That's it! Elroy's going with it

4 foot handle it is. THANKS Bill

 

[Elroy]

The hard parts vendor Elroy was dealing with sent him the wrong parts. We had to e-mail him a photo of the parts so he could correctly identify it. Some people. Anyways, that little problem should be history shortly.

Pleased to report that the plunger plugs Elroy needed finally arrived.

This condition is simply unacceptable:

This is the plug that seals the plunger bore. Notice the saw marks. Seams that at one point in time this cylinder was serviced and this is the plug that was installed. After getting it tight, the drive head was cut off with a hack saw.

Elroy contacted over a dozen Hein-Werner service companies before he was able to locate a replacement. This plug is staying put until the replacement delivers.

All we need now is to discover that the threads in the main block have been changed. Elroy hopes that is not the case. Anyways with replacement plugs in hand it's now time to move onto the cylinder assembly.

To aid in that project Elroy picked up this Parker blow gun today. We had several around the shop but all of them were either worn out or a POS

Made in the "Father Land"

Brand new and it's already over a year old:

Anyways Elroy is looking forward to having a nice blow off gun and getting that cylinder assembled, painted and installed.

We can see light at the end of the tunnel, just hope it's not the train !

 

[Uncle Buck]

Mush on Elroy, Mush!

 

[Elroy]

Mush on Elroy, Mush!

I'm mush-en Buck, I'm mush-en

For the record and future reference, these plugs have a 3/4"-20 thread and extend .350" from the sealing surface.

 

[Elroy]

It's becoming more work than what Elroy really wanted to get into

But at least this old turd looks a little better:

 

[Elroy]

Elroy recalls that spring coming out easier than it went back in.

 

[Uncle Buck]

The handle assembly looks quite official there Elroy!

 

[Elroy]

Hiball

Please tell us more about this crimping die

ed-u-ma-cate us

 

[Uncle Buck]

Elroy, is that just Chevy orange engine enamel as I suspect?

 

[Hiball]

Hiball

Please tell us more about this crimping die

ed-u-ma-cate us

Well Elroy if you look closely at your Leather ram cup you will see that it is flared at the end and actually bigger than the ram opening. All cups are designed like this ranging from poly all the way down to leather as when it is properly compressed it creates a tight fit. To properly fit the cup to the proper size you need a crimping die, which simply is a 5" piece of Aluminum or Steel Stock that has been machined down similar to a everyday funnel ( quality steel funnel = cheap man's crimping die) The procedure is to soak the leather cup in Hydraulic jack oil for at least 24 hours or until it softens up the lips to allow compression without damage. Secure the ram cup onto the shaft and center it on the die and gently.. gently tap the ram until the desired size is found. Dont worry if you overdue it, once the jack is up against the load the oil will force the leather cup up against the cylinder. As stated you can use a quality funnel for this job but the leather needs to be saturated for ease of assembly. Without this technique it is nearly impossible to get the ram cup in without damaging it, ie using a pic and pushing down etc.. Hope this helps with your cause.

 

[Elroy]

The original ram seals in both the WS and the OS were leather. The replacement WS seals Elroy installed last year were came from a NOS Hein-Werner kit purchased about 8 or 9 years ago. These seals were "molded rubber". Like a viton. It slipped into the cylinder bore with no problem.

The seals in the OS kit are leather like the originals which is just fine. We do plan on soaking them prior to installation.

I was actually thinking about "pulling" the ram into the cylinder and then screwing the cylinder into the block.

Thanks for the pointers Hiball. Excellent input and much appreciated,

 

[Hiball]

The original ram seals in both the WS and the OS were leather. The replacement WS seals Elroy installed last year were came from a NOS Hein-Werner kit purchased about 8 or 9 years ago. These seals were "molded rubber". Like a viton. It slipped into the cylinder bore with no problem.

The seals in the OS kit are leather like the originals which is just fine. We do plan on soaking them prior to installation.

I was actually thinking about "pulling" the ram into the cylinder and then screwing the cylinder into the block.

Thanks for the pointers Hiball. Excellent input and much appreciated,

Yes the older poly cups are much easier to install compared to the new ones they have some extereme lips on them and can be a pain in the rear. As far as pulling it into the cylinder that will work as well and is exactly how i install my most of my pump cups and vee packing cups on the lincoln/walker jacks. Especially on Vee packing account it has to be tightened after it is in the cylinder to be effective, and if you tighten it first it expands and then it destroys the edge upon assembly. ****I might add you still want to make sure the leather cup is softened before you do pull it thru otherwise it could damage the outside.***

 

[Elroy]

As far as pulling it into the cylinder that will work as well and is exactly how i install my most of my pump cups

Great minds think alike

Thanks again for the PM. Truly appreciate all you've done for me.

 

[fatfillup]

Elroy, thanks for asking the questions and Hiball, thanks for the thorough answers.

I'm learning alot.

 

[Elroy]

Elroy, is that just Chevy orange engine enamel as I suspect?

Fully correct. The ONLY color

#1620 to be exact.