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sumner52000

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Just saw it again. It is a shame ebay will not police their own site. When someone is selling fake items they should put a stop to it.
 

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Just saw it again. It is a shame ebay will not police their own site. When someone is selling fake items they should put a stop to it.

identifying fake tools isn't as easy as identifying something like a fake designer purse. Ebay has no way of knowing they're fake unless someone tells them.
 

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I can't believe he has 100 % feedback after all the tricks he's played. Must be a lot of gullible people out there.

Mike
 

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I can't believe he has 100 % feedback after all the tricks he's played. Must be a lot of gullible people out there.

No, it simply means that feedback is a joke on eBay.
 

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No, it simply means that feedback is a joke on eBay.


pretty much, it's a game of tell and be told.

if you leave bad feedback, he leaves horrible feedback, no one wants to have their feedback tarnished by some jackass willing to tell people you robbed him. :beer:
 

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pretty much, it's a game of tell and be told.

if you leave bad feedback, he leaves horrible feedback, no one wants to have their feedback tarnished by some jackass willing to tell people you robbed him. :beer:

Sellers haven't been able to leave negative feedback for several years now, because ebay was too lazy to police feedback in any way... so they just made it impossible for the seller to leave negatives as revenge. ;)
 

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Sellers haven't been able to leave negative feedback for several years now, because ebay was too lazy to police feedback in any way... so they just made it impossible for the seller to leave negatives as revenge. ;)

Yes, and for reasons I will never understand, people still won't leave it where it's due. :dunno:
 
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Sellers haven't been able to leave negative feedback for several years now, because ebay was too lazy to police feedback in any way... so they just made it impossible for the seller to leave negatives as revenge. ;)

shows how long i've been off of ebay now lol.
 

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CTM just leaves nasty stuff in their positive feedback...

Well, if you're serious, that's a seriously damn stupid tactic. Which wouldn't surprise me any from him. :lol:

First, who the hell's likely to see it? I never read positive feedbacks... in the event I actually do check detailed feedback (meaning I already see something fishy, either low % or low number) I'm only looking for negatives, maybe neutrals.

And if I did read a nasty comment in a positive feedback, I'd just laugh at it and assume the leaver is some sort of complete mo-ron... like the ones who leave seller complaints in a product review on Amazon, and then don't even say which seller they bought from. :lol_hitti
 

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here's another idiot. was looking for a NEW SFS261 socket:
condition: new other: see description. nice rounded out corners from an impact wrench. in other words, new other means used. ******* idiots.

"New other" is supposed to mean unused but missing packaging, instructions, etc.
Report it as "not as described".
 
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identifying fake tools isn't as easy as identifying something like a fake designer purse. Ebay has no way of knowing they're fake unless someone tells them.

I bought some fake mechanix wear gloves, very good fakes they were too just the palm material was wrong.
Got my money back easily but I told both ebay and mechanix wear. Ebay couldn't give a sh*t and allowed the seller to continue selling with a top seller status thing and mechanix wear never bothered responding either.
So I bought another 5 pairs, got another refund and used them for working in the garden..
 

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An expert will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this one is legit.
I think breaker bars have a hole in the handle.
 

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with the way things have been going on ebay I am not sure who to believe. Have had some really good sellers and a few lousy sellers.


I haven't even dealt with 10 people on there yet and already had 2 major complaints.

1.Wrench goes missing from the cheapest *** package you can buy, luckily was refunded right away without any trouble

2. received a socket that was identical to the picture and description other than it was a different brand. pissed me off and still disputing it

ebay is full of a bunch of amateurs who don't know what the hell they are doing.

this classified on this site is top notch and I love dealing with people on here
 
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Like another member said.....I think this one is legit.

No, When this ratchet design was introduced in the late 60s by Moore forgings, the handle had a "patent pend" embossing on the handle. There was never a plain "made in usa -v" version made, indicating that the handle of CTM's tool came from a breaker bar or early flex ratchet.

Further, these early Moore made flex ratchets / breaker bars were held together with the pins riveted on, not a simple friction pin.


But who would know all that anyways? That's what CTM hopes for...
 

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I was pointing out that not all of the items camarotoolman sells have to be fakes.

To be clear, I think that the guy should be chased with torches and pitchforks, but that doesn't mean that every tool he sells is a forgery.
 

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Why do you guys assume that this guy KNOWS he is selling a "fraudulent" item? Isn't it possible that he picked this thing up a yard sale and that he doesn't know the difference himself?

Probably since a lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt with the HF ratchet with SO hard handle thing... then he (very arrogantly) stated that not only did he know, he didn't see a thing wrong with doing it when he got called out.
 

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Why do you guys assume that this guy KNOWS he is selling a "fraudulent" item? Isn't it possible that he picked this thing up a yard sale and that he doesn't know the difference himself?

Hes been around for awhile. In addition to Easco / breaker bar flex frankenratchets, he was also selling Harbor Freight roto head ratches with a snap on handle installed. He just forgot to mention the HF part in all of his sales / auctions.

He did have some nice stuff when he was selling on here, but the things that fell under "maybe he didn't know" was pretty disgusting.
 
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Don 18

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Here is the thread that started it:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180845

and here are some interesting quotes, taken out of context, but sure makes you think.....

Snap on anything has the best resale value....
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2764807#post2764807


Some [one] needs to turn him in to ebay, its against policy to say something is like some something else. As soon as someone from SO sees it he will be gone.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2771190#post2771190
 

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I think that the one DSLTRK describes can be seen here--->
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181217465677?lpid=82

However, even in these pictures I don't see that the head is held on with riveted pins.

And this one does not appear to have a quick release whereas CTM's tool appears to have a quick release button.

Why do you guys assume that this guy KNOWS he is selling a "fraudulent" item? Isn't it possible that he picked this thing up a yard sale and that he doesn't know the difference himself?

- There's absolutely no way to tell Easco, KD, or Craftsman flex ratchet heads apart from one another - there are no unique markings or designs on the heads, only on the handles.

- By the time these ratchets showed up in the Craftsman catalog, part/model #'s and "patent pending" or patent #'s were being put on tools. While I will "never say never" that these flex ratchets were ever produced without said model and patent info on the handles, it will take far more definitive proof that a seller's pic on fleabay to prove it to me.

- Given this slimeball's well documented history of willfully defrauding people with homegrown tool fakes, I wouldn't bet a plug nickle that this -or most any other Craftsman - flex ratchet he lists is a genuine Craftsman flex ratchet. He has to use early flex handles since they won't have a part/model # that could be easily checked, and some early flex handles don't have a detent ball to hold the drive stud at a few fixed angles, like the flex ratchets and later handles do.

- A few bucks at the local dirt market for a flex handle, find a KD or Easco flex ratchet cheap (not too difficult), a few minutes with a press, and voila!! - a "Craftsman" flex ratchet that's been selling on fleabay for 3x and more what the otherwise identical KD and Easco branded ones do.
 

sumner52000

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I think that the one DSLTRK describes can be seen here--->
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181217465677?lpid=82

Why do you guys assume that this guy KNOWS he is selling a "fraudulent" item? Isn't it possible that he picked this thing up a yard sale and that he doesn't know the difference himself?

He knows he is selling fraudulent items.

I met the seller at a flea market in Hillsville Virginia last year. I purchased a few tools from him. One of which was a RHFT ratchet. He said I just sold a flex head on ebay for $75. I had been watching an auction for one on ebay. I pulled out my phone and asked if he was camerotoolman. he said he was and then bragged about how he took the head off an easco ratchet and put it on a craftsman breaker handle. I asked if he was familiar with garage journal and he said he used to use this site but didn't get along with some folks. When I got home I looked him up and then remembered the mess with the harbor freight ratchets and snap on handles. I already have vacation down for labor day and hope to meet him again at Hillsville. This time I will not make any purchases.
 

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- There's absolutely no way to tell Easco, KD, or Craftsman flex ratchet heads apart from one another - there are no unique markings or designs on the heads, only on the handles.

- By the time these ratchets showed up in the Craftsman catalog, part/model #'s and "patent pending" or patent #'s were being put on tools. While I will "never say never" that these flex ratchets were ever produced without said model and patent info on the handles, it will take far more definitive proof that a seller's pic on fleabay to prove it to me.

- Given this slimeball's well documented history of willfully defrauding people with homegrown tool fakes, I wouldn't bet a plug nickle that this -or most any other Craftsman - flex ratchet he lists is a genuine Craftsman flex ratchet. He has to use early flex handles since they won't have a part/model # that could be easily checked, and some early flex handles don't have a detent ball to hold the drive stud at a few fixed angles, like the flex ratchets and later handles do.

- A few bucks at the local dirt market for a flex handle, find a KD or Easco flex ratchet cheap (not too difficult), a few minutes with a press, and voila!! - a "Craftsman" flex ratchet that's been selling on fleabay for 3x and more what the otherwise identical KD and Easco branded ones do.

So in a nutshell if this was a very early, pre model # rat it would say ' pat pending' or have pat #'s on it. Or if it was post pat #'s it should still have a model #.
 

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Hes been around for awhile. In addition to Easco / breaker bar flex frankenratchets, he was also selling Harbor Freight roto head ratches with a snap on handle installed. He just forgot to mention the HF part in all of his sales / auctions.

He did have some nice stuff when he was selling on here, but the things that fell under "maybe he didn't know" was pretty disgusting.
He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I played a small part in getting him banned. I had sent him a PM asking why he was doing such shady **** with the fake Snap On ratchets and he responded "you're just pissed that you didn't think of it first"... What a dirtbag.
 
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