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Finally managed to produce a somewhat decent (for a neophyte :D ) shop video, and thought I'd start a thread here, both for it and hopefully for more in the future.

For those that don't know me- which is all but, like, two of you :D - I'm "Doc", I'm a professional machinist that just happens to specialize in paintball guns, believe it or not. Been around for a while, posted a time or two, but not exactly a leading member.

The video in question is the start of a short series where I build, from scratch, a body kit to make a double-barreled paintball gun, which I call the Vee-Twin.


There's a few other videos in there you gets might like, though I'm just getting started, and let's face it, the quality of most of them isn't gonna win any awards. :)

Lemme know what'cha think!

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I used to read your posts with vigor over on the HSM [Home Shop Machinist] forum I even joined up for a while, but a few (doozer) PO'd me on like my 5th post, and let's be honest there was/(is?) an underlying confrontational " 'tude" there many guy's made too many personal attacks, then I found here a "Better class of Know it All" I know that sounds less than nice but both sites have an unbelievable "Breadth and Depth" to the knowledge base but a better class of people here, less, look mine is "Bigger Than Yours" attitude, I have seen a few of your posts here and look forward to your contributions. And just so you know I am actually paying attention, your Baldor Buffer stand is the reason my Never Never welding bench/table [feels like it's "Never, Never" going to be finished] isn't finished! After seeing your mitered/quartered pipe radius' on the bottom of the post and the same at the bottom of the plate, etc., etc. I had to up my game for my table and so it goes very, very, very, slowly! Thanx A Lot! Harry;)
 
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You really need one of the Noga Mist systems. I added one to my mill and its so nice for chip clearing and helps surface finish.

Really nice looking parts, looking forward to the next installments.
 
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I used to read your posts with vigor over on the HSM [Home Shop Machinist] forum I even joined up for a while, but a few (doozer) PO'd me on like my 5th post[...]

-Yeah, both the big machinist sites seem to be getting more and more of the crotchety old farts. "This here's MY playground, I know everything and you damn well better not forget it!"

And just so you know I am actually paying attention, your Baldor Buffer stand is the reason my Never Never welding bench/table [feels like it's "Never, Never" going to be finished] isn't finished!

-Heh! :D I'm still kinda proud of how that one came out. I think I said when I posted that, that I was looking for yet another old car rim to make a grinder base with, when I basically told myself "you idiot! You can do better than that!"

I know nothing about paintball guns so this will be good.

-Okay, here's a quick tip: Most paintball guns only have one barrel. :)

You really need one of the Noga Mist systems.

-Unfortunately, the machine room is kind of poorly ventilated, and has no windows. Any mist system will eventually create a fog- and I'm already kind of concerned with how much WD-40 fumes there must be on a typical day.

It'd be fine if I could just leave the end doors open, but this is, after all, Alaska. Our "screen door" season is maybe three weeks long. :D

I'm working on improving the ventilation, as well as moving over to more CNC. (You can see my CNC lathe in action in a couple of the other videos.)

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Nice Part 3!

Interesting how you turned the thread on the plug and backed out quick so as to not need a groove/gutter to run out the threads.

Seems odd to drill and tap a hole, then make a plug to lock-tite into it. I am sure there is a method to the madness.

Post a link to the mentioned Baldor buffer stand please. I searched and could not find it.
 
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Seems odd to drill and tap a hole, then make a plug to lock-tite into it. I am sure there is a method to the madness.

-Yeah, that's one of the things that I didn't think about, as far as shooting video. The point of the process isn't really clear. (And Stan Kubrick I'm not! :D )

The original marker off of which this is based, has a gas port leading from the valve (in the lower tube) up into the bolt/breech in the upper tube. The the single-barrel guns, this is simply drilled from underneath, and the "outer" part of the hole tapped for a screw plug used to retain the valve.

Well, we can't do that in the double- we still need the retaining screw to hold the valve so we can't drill from underneath. So those gas ports are drilled from the top, and the upper, unwanted parts of the ports are permanently plugged off and filed down.

I should have shot some scenes showing the ports from underneath, or running a piece of wire through them, etc. to better clarify what was going on. I will say, though, that it's a HUGE mental exercise trying to keep both the machining order of operations, and the "film script" for want of a better word, in mind and in order.

Post a link to the mentioned Baldor buffer stand please. I searched and could not find it.

-Building a better buffer stand. :D

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You don't necessarily have to use the "mist" portion. The airblast works fine with just shop air hooked up, leave the coolant for steel.

AS for ventilation, you gotta work work on that. The fumes in our shops are not the best for our health over our lifetimes.
 
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Just a minute or two of simple machining:


I thought it was kind of interesting, as the oil spout was vibrating to some harmonic of the lathe's motor. To the naked eye it looked like a "buzz", but thanks, I'm presuming, to the camera shutter speed, it came out looking more like "swaying". Kind of cool, really, if you're into watching a CNC do it's thing. :D

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That's called a Die head, that particular one was made by Geometric. As you can see, it's an automatic, self-opening threading die, very quick and handy.

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Well Doc if that doesn't "Tickle Your Innards" I don't know what will! :cool: That was some very precision measurements you did for the layout. Oh and that grinder sure does meet "OSHA" standards. :LOL:Thanks for the ride along! Harry
 
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Finally got tired of cobbling together bits and clamps whenever I needed to dial something in on the 4-jaw, so I made this indicator holder that goes right onto the toolpost.

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Not, of course, any kind of unique design- there's a ton of 3D printed ones on eBay, but I figured I'd make my own.

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I liked your shelf video.

Neat black pipe stand for your grinder. Any better pictures of the stand?

The belt grinder - home made or commercial unit?
 
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Neat black pipe stand for your grinder. Any better pictures of the stand?

-It was just a quick scrap-bin thing. I wanted to make something fancier, but at the time, I just needed something, in order to get a bunch of other work jobs done with the buffer.

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The belt grinder - home made or commercial unit?

-Commercial, it's a Wilmont, which was a competitor to makers like Beaumont for a few years, but they're out of business now.

Mildly interesting story on that: I had actually been building my own, a typical KMG style from plans I'd found, or maybe even bought, online years ago.

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I was literally just finishing it up, after a multi-year, spare-time build, when the Wilmont appeared, brand new, never even had a belt on it, in a local secondhand store, and for a pretty fair price.

A buddy of mine had been talking with me about mine, and maybe having me make one for him, so I kept the Wilmont and sold him the homebrew one above. He's already made about $50K in knives with it.

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Approximately a year ago, I attempted to drag my business, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century, and finally picked up a couple of CNC machines.

Now, unlike some of the other folks on this board, who were able to buy brand-new Speedios or a quarter-million in waterjets, I had to pay out of pocket- the same one where all those cartoon moths live. :) That meant well-used and cheap. I'd been reluctant to do so, for years, as it's too easy to get a lemon, and being in Alaska, returns or any sort of factory repair are anything from 'not ****** likely' to "im-f**king-possible".

I got a line on a good CNC lathe, and decided to take a chance on a mill. The mill I picked, was a compact Southwest Industries Trak 2Op 3-axis. These machines are very small, comparatively, and are meant to be moved about a shop and installed as needed. For example, set up near a 5-axis machine, and programmed to just cut dovetails on the blanks, to they lock into the 5-axis vise better.

But, it's also a full-fledged Vertical Machining Center. Eight-tool changer, coolant, 10K RPM spindle (I found that out afterward- I thought it was a 'standard' 5K :) ) some conversational programming, full 3-axis G-code, etc.

And, since my typical product is small, and I usually produce less than a hundred at a time, the physical capacities are ideal.

However, work and other projects have kept me from being able to tinker with it as much as I'd like- though admittedly some of that time went into getting the CNC lathe up and running, too. :D

I've gotten back into it, and my goal is to have it cutting chips by the end of the year. Figured you ladies and gents might want to follow along.

Took delivery of the two of them back in September of '21. Buddy of mine has a loading pad out back of his shop, a 5K forklift, and an employee that can drive it.

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The fork was not rough-surface capable, and I have a comparatively soft gravel driveway. So I rented a Telehandler, and the same guys drove it over, and forked it into the shop for me.

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The machine, as I said, is designed to be easily moved with a pallet jack- they actually shipped with one- and once I had it in the door, it was easy enough to shift into place- right next to the CNC lathe. :)

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Now, I could finally more closely inspect this fabulously-expensive (to me) machine that I'd bought sight unseen (well, not including digital pics) and untested. At some point somebody threw a couple ratchet straps across the top, and bent the sheetmetal.

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Just cosmetics, but still...

The status light pod was loose- not broken, somebody had actually taken a couple screws out.

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And the sight glass for the coolant sump "drawer" had been smashed.

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I don't know if in transit or it was that way from the dealer.

The top box, which holds the three servo drives and the braking resistors... was loose. Again, unbolted loose. Not disconnected, but the box had been unbolted. No idea why. You'd think if they were stripping or fixing the machine, they wouldn't start by unbolting the housing, but none of the parts inside.

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Though one cable was partially disconnected. I think it was the feed to the servo encoder, and it had been unplugged, and the housing removed from the connector. The parts were all still in the enclosure, but I still have no idea why that was disconnected.

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But, it was simple enough to reassemble and plug back in, and later, when I "homed" it for the first time, it did so with no problems. I'm really hoping that cable being off was a fluke, but we'll see.

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One other easy little fix as I was cleaning and inspecting, the cooling fans for the drive enclosure, were caked with junk. They're synthetic pads of some sort, so I soaked 'em in Purple Power and they cleaned up nicely!

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To be continued!

Doc.
 
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Part 2:

While the drive-enclosure fan filters came out nicely, the spindle fan was not so lucky.

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There's supposed to be a perforated top cover over all that, and clearly the fan has been seeing a fair mist of oil or oil-laden coolant.

Hopefully the fan still works, but if not, or is too gummy to get up to speed, should be inexpensive to replace.

Now, before I put power to this thing, one of the first bits I wanted to check was the the air system. The inlet filter/coagulator thing on the back needed a new inlet ****** (one compatible with my existing hoses) and the mounting bracket straightened and tightened.

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With that, I could pressure it up. There's a leak inside the enclosure, probably from the power drawbar since it's "open", and should hopefully stop once a toolholder is in place.

There's also a small one at the back there around the manifolding, possibly from that primary filter itself, but again I can't yet isolate it. I'll need to get out the soapy water and do a little chasing.

Now, this thing, like many VMCs (vertical machining centers) has a fairly heavy and actually somewhat armored door, to help protect the operator against crashes or parts flying out of the vise unexpectedly. On this particular unit, due to size and space constraints, the door folds and raises up in a track.

It's actually fairly heavy, and while you can easily lift it, it's not something you'd want to have to do 263 times in a shift. So it has a pneumatic system, acting like a couple assist springs, taking a great deal of the "weight" off.

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And speaking of inside the enclosure, you can see the wood dunnage the seller put in place to help support the spindle during transit. I have not yet powered anything up to get that out of there.

The table is comparatively small, only something like 14" square or so. And the manual stresses heavily that you should not let work or fixtures overhang any edges.

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I also comes with Jergens "Ball Lock" sockets at each corner, so you can use small pallets or fixture plates. Not 100% sure how to use them yet, and I can tell you they're not cheap to get the rest of the fittings- I got zero tooling with this machine- but it may prove handy at some point to have two or more parts-pallets, or a pallet and a plate-mounted vise or something.

Oh, and the vise? They sell a modified Kurt that instead of the usual hex stub sticking out the front, they have a hex socket, like a big allen-head bolt. That's so the vise won't overhang, where the stub could smash into the door when it changes a tool.

The tool magazine is at the back, and the table slides full forward so the cradle can come out like a drawer. Any overhang at the front will hit the door, any overhang at the back can interfere with the tool changer, and any overhang at the sides can strike the gantry supports.

I haven't asked yet, but that modded Kurt, I expect, won't be cheap. I may look into buying another Glacern and modding the screw myself.

Moving on, the spindle area can use a good cleaning- and for those wondering why I use cutting oil rather than soluble-oil coolant, note the rust and tarnishing. That's what you get when using coolant.

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Although, as a very nice, technically rather early but very welcome Christmas present, it wasn't until I actually shot this very photo, that I found out I have the optional 10,000 RPM spindle, rather than the standard 5K RPM one. :)

Again, not that I expect to do heavy manufacturing with this thing, but on a complex part with some 3D profiling, that can literally cut the per-part time in half.

Looking up into the spindle, the taper looks cherry, and the pull-stud gripper fingers appear to be in fine shape.

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And, as a bonus, they're real "claw" fingers, not just the ball-locks some manufacturers use. Which, as I understand such things, work fine and offers fast tool changes, but can beat up the pull studs.

And finally, the MPG knob on the front control panel is missing its cap and is slightly cracked. :)

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Now, of course, I have no idea whatsoever- yet, that is- how the electronics work, or really, what kind of shape the ballscrews are in. Or the servos, or the spindle bearings, etc. etc. SWI makes good machines that are well-regarded, but that doesn't mean this one hasn't been abused. I was actually told it had comparatively few hours on it, and had been used mostly for demos and some in-house production at SWI.

The as-arrived condition didn't exactly tell me "low miles", but then, 'comparatively few' could mean 20,000 hours of operation rather than 50,000. The Omni has some hard miles on it and runs like a champ, so I guess we'll find out.

Oh, and back when I picked up some tooling for the Omni, I sprung for a very basic starter pack of BT-30 toolholders for this thing- as I said, I got zero tooling with it.

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Got 'em from Maritool, which has a pretty good reputation for such things, and I started out with a pair of ER-16s, with one 3/8" collet each, and a pair of ER-20s, again with one 1/2" collet each. Still going to need to get some shiny new endmills to fit into 'em, but hey, I'm goin' as fast as funds allow.

The aluminum bit with the ears is a tightening fixture I got off eBay. Not one of the best, but definitely one of the cheaper ones. I'll eventually have to spring for a better one, as both ends of the toolholder need to be torqued. That is, the pull stud at the small end, and the collet cap at the angry end.

I'll almost certainly eventually need a dozen or more holders, even though the toolchanger only holds eight. But it's easier to keep tools set up and measured, rather than having to re-fit and re-measure each one, each time. Especially considering I'll be doing short run parts- again, like the Omni, 50-200 parts, maybe.

You can tell the computer what the size, shape and offset of tools one through forty-three or whatever, are, even though a particular job might only be using numbers 2, 3, 4, 11 and 16. (I believe it can store up to 99 tools in memory.)

To be continued.

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Looks good Doc! I had a late model SWI Trak bedmill/knee mill type in the maint shop at the last plant I was in and it was a very nice machine.
 

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Doc I have bought a couple of items from these guys: [somewhat local to me though burt really decent prices from my searches] https://cme-tools.com/ and the vise I bought: https://cme-tools.com/products/precision-screwless-vises (6") I haven't done a complete "QC" but the couple of quick checks were promising. Prices have gone up since COVID ($90 for mine). One of these may size out well for you, they used to have an eBay store, and check for an Amazon account for maybe cheaper shipping to your local. Hoping to be helpful, Harry
 
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Thanks Harry. I'll give them a look. Maritool's holders and endmills are very well regarded in the professional circles, and while they're not cheap, they're not fabulously expensive, either. It's not like I'm going to need to buy fifty holders- the thing only has an eight-tool changer. :) I figure I'll probably eventually end up with maybe as many as a dozen, and if I pick them up a few at a time, it won't be too bad.

On the vise, I have a pretty decent 5" Kurt clone ready to go on it. It's an import, but not bad- I had it on my manual mill for years. I figure I'll use that to get rolling, and if i feel the need to replace it, probably pick up a 5" Glacern. (I have a 6" and a 6" Glacern on the two manual mills.)

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At this point, I haven't yet powered it up, and am still going through the manual to make sure anything that needs to be set, IS set, anything that needs to be oiled is oiled, and anything that needs to be fed, is fed.

Anyway, even though the wood support is still in the way, I scrubbed off the spindle ring and housing:

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Some of what you saw was tarnish and actual rust, but some was also just dried coolant and old oil schmutz. And that's just kind of the classic lick-and-a-promise cleaning, I'll get in there a little more thoroughly when I can raise the spindle more and get the wood out of the way.

There was also some rust on the way covers, that came right off with some Scotchbrite and WD-40. Doesn't look like new, but looks loads better.

I'll be calling SWI and placing an order here shortly, among other things, for the sight glass. I pulled the old bits out...

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And I have no idea what the original unit looked like- the promo pictures just show some rectangular bit- but I was considering making one out of aluminum, with something like a section of clear vinyl tube as the glass. Basically make something a little more kick and impact resistant, so I don't wind up with 15 gallons of cutting oil all over the floor.

Anyway, I pulled the chip drawer out, and had a look up at the underside of the table:

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Eeeewwww. The linear rails look great, and appear to have a powered lube system- which is to be expected. But man there's a lot of chips and **** up there. Somebody got just a little too carried away with the blowgun.

Cleaning up there will be a small nightmare- this whole unit doesn't exactly come apart as easily... On the other hand, the Purple Power seems to cut this soluble-oil crud pretty nicely, and any drippage just falls into the sump. I may- emphasis on may- spray a bunch of PP up there, let it sit, and then just like on the Omni, simply wash it down with a garden sprayer.

It doesn't have to be clean enough to paint, just maybe not coated quite so deeply with stuck chips.

Now, moving 'round behind the machine, I noticed when I was swapping fittings on the air filter, that the back panel was held on by one bolt. I popped that off and had a look inside:

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The box at the left I haven't opened yet, but has some electrical connections. Not sure what might be in there, maybe relays? The servo drivers are up top, and the VFD and computer are in the cabinet just above.

The thing on the right of course is just an air accumulator, with a regulator and solenoid on the visible end. That, I'm sure, is what feeds the drawbar- there's an onboard supply so that a restriction or drop in the incoming air won't stop operation, at least not completely.

Lots of extra cable and hose, though- I may have to take a look at all that and see if it can be a little better organized.

And speaking of the upper cabinet, there's this cute trinket in there:

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That appears to be a test piece:

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Written in pink Sharpie on the back is the model and serial number of this machine, and "<.002" presumably meaning it was within initial tolerance. Kind of neat that that's still there. I kind of hope it's in the software somewhere, and if I set the machine right, I can make one of my own- that is, a pre-made part so I can at least know if the hardware is working.

Oh what the hey. Broke down and had a go at cleaning up the underside. Some Purple Power, a garden sprayer full of hot water, a couple of brushes... and it's not perfect, but it's a lot better.

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The "drips" are mostly WD-40 displacing the last of the water. Before I run this thing for the first time, I'll probably spray some proper oil up there.

And of course cutting oil rather than coolant will help a bit, too.

I admit that's not going to be ideal for heavy roughing at 10K RPM, as the oil doesn't work anywhere near as well as an actual coolant as, well, coolant, but I guess I'll just have to moderate speeds and chiploads. Fortunately- if that word applies - I won't need to be pumping 900 parts a day through this thing. The difference between a 5 minute cycle time and a 7 minute won't mean much.

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I'm setting up a gang tool lathe much like your Omniturn. Would you be up for sharing how you have the gang tool block loaded up? I have a ton of Omniturn tool holders, but no tools. Trying to decide what to buy to get started with the lathe.
 
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I'm setting up a gang tool lathe much like your Omniturn. Would you be up for sharing how you have the gang tool block loaded up? I have a ton of Omniturn tool holders, but no tools. Trying to decide what to buy to get started with the lathe.

-Depends, as always, what you're working on. My usual go-to tools are a left-hand boring bar, used as an external turning tool (two styles of carbide insert, both sharp honed for aluminum) a standard right-hand for internal boring, a right-hand internal threading bar, and a left-hand threading bar for external threads.

All of those fit the standard round-holder blocks.

I also have a couple of quickchange style toolpost blocks, to hold conventional square-shank lathe tools. I've only used these for parting tools so far.

Finally, I have three or four 5/8" straight-shank ER collet holders, which I'll use for drills and countersinks, etc.

And, at the moment, I use tools specific to the job at hand. In other words, I don't leave a bar with six or eight tools in there- I'll mount and zero just the tools I need, and swap/change them as necessary for the next job.

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I stayed up much later than I ever do reading the Omniturn catalog and looking at LH boring bars. Is there one you recommend with inserts that are easy to find? I’m starting off in aluminum and want inserts that will do well with it.

I appreciate the help!
 
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I stayed up much later than I ever do reading the Omniturn catalog and looking at LH boring bars. Is there one you recommend with inserts that are easy to find? I’m starting off in aluminum and want inserts that will do well with it.

-While Omni has some good tools, they can be a bit expensive, and kind of limited.

If you have a typical 5/8" round toolblock, keep in mind you can jam pretty much anything in there. An ER holder, a boring bar, get some Hardinge drill bushings and stick a drill in there, etc. It might also be worth keeping in mind that most gang tool machines can turn the spindle either direction- so you could use a normal right-hand boring bar.

The ones I picked up, I found on eBay, at least one came from Shars. One takes a 55 degree diamond and the other an 80 degree. I forget the exact nomenclature off the top of my head right this second, but I took that (IE, "CNMG", etc.) and looked for "sharp honed" or "for aluminum" inserts.

And again, if you get one of the dovetail tool posts (which I admit sure aren't cheap) you can use any 1/2" square-shank lathe tool, too.

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I bought a huge lot of Omniturn tooling. I have five of their tool posts, and many tool holders, extensions, etc.

So… a RH boring bar on the front side of stock would just need reverse spindle.. I hadn’t thought of that!
 
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