Just finished installing by Bend Pak HD-9-B!

[Vicious_Cycle]

I just poked around on BendPak's site. I couldn't find any references to where their lifts are built. So I did a site search for "Made in USA", "USA", and "U.S.A." and none were found. In the lift business, being built in the United States has always been a big selling point... I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't mention U.S.A, if they were built here.

 

[tubeman]

I bought a Bend Pak and I feel a little deceived. I would have compared the Benpak with other Chinese made lifts had I known. I may have been able to either save $1000 or get at substantially heavier duty lift for the same price. I am not opposed to all things Chinese I just feel a little ripped off right now! If I overpaid for my American made lift at least I could say the money "stayed at home".

 

[bobs4092]

I don't know where your lift was made because I didn't research Bend Pak once I saw the price. But if you were THAT obsessed with buying a USA made lift, you probably should have done a little more homework.

I wouldn't say I was "obsessed", just trying to make the correct choice. I never thought for a moment that the famous Bend Pak would be made anywhere else but the U.S. The same way I don't question the color red. Perhaps I "assumed" when I shouldn't have.

As for research, I've been checking this site quite often asking questions, reading previous posts and this is the first I've heard of this. Not just here though, everywhere you go, whenever a lift is mentioned it's always, buy Bendpak because they are made in the U.S.A. and stay away from cheap imports. That's why I never thought twice about that but rather focused on other questions.

Safety is the main issue naturally but next up would be how long various components will last. I don't want to have to replace Chinese pumps, etc every 6 months after spending almost 3 grand. Hopefully that won't be the case. It has a 1 year warranty for parts & labor anyway.

Odds are it will be fine but I just would have liked to know all this first. I may have bought one anyway but would have looked into it a bit more. It's obvious that Bend Pak (Northertool & all other sellers of Bend Pak for that matter) aren't going out of their way to mention China. (and I can understand why they don't want to)

 

[Piper]

I understand where you're coming from now. They say in marketing that when a customer finds a "problem" it tends to make it bigger in the customer's mind. Likewise, when a retailer/manufacturer points out a "problem", the consumer tends to minimize it reasoning that the manufacturer is "being honest and upfront".

I do think if Bendpak lifts are all made in China then, while it isn't likely something they'd advertise, it shouldn't be intentionally hidden from the consumer.

I guess my take home thought is that while it seems they are made in China, they still are ETL ALI certified. That is the golden standard. I don't think anyone is, or should, compare a non-certified lift made in China to a certified lift made in China.

FWIW, I'm going to purchase a Bendpak 4 post lift this summer. The same 1 listed here. I don't have any problem buying it knowing that it's made in China, as long as it's certified. Now, where I have the problem is if I ask if it's made in China and I get lied to. If they lie about this, what else are they going to lie about is my question. These facts are the wildfire of marketing problems and need to be quickly addressed by Bendpak or the results can be very hard on the bottom line.

Piper

 

[ovilla]

The slack cable safety locks (which only the BendPak HD-9 and gregsmith's Pro Park 9 have), the 4-post lift certification (which only BendPak and Rotary have), the price (which was and is still fair), and the company's years in the lift service and worldwide distribution and use/reputation (which rule out all but BendPak, Rotary, and Mohawk) were what contributed to my decision to buy the BendPak lift. Plus, I'd never heard of a Bend Pak lift causing an accident.

I like the Backyard buddy design and the fact that it may be one of the last lifts made entirely here (but no offense to anyone who may have purchased this fine product), but they didn't meet my criteria above. They're also now priced out of my league, along with Rotary and Mohawk (who also make really nice products). I just can't justify spending that much money for a lift that will get used only 20-30 times a year.

I must say though that all lifts sold in the US, regardless of where they're made, must be holding up well. Almost every time a car falls off a 2 post lift it's due to the way it was improperly loaded. With 4 post lifts, I've never heard of any lift's steel bending or cables snapping and causing an accident. About the only known point of failure on 4-post lifts can be attributed to the use of bushings or bearings in the sheaves (the cable pulleys). I believe that's what caused the one lift with the vette on it to fail. I think that's what also happened with the older autolifters one too (which is why allamericanlifts can now send out the free bushing replacement kit).

 

[revlover]

I've owned automotive lifts for years. The best two company's to buy auto lifts from are BendPak and Rotary. If you read into Rotary a bit, as I have, you'll find that Rotary markets themselves as USA made, but the truth of the matter is, no lift company is made completely in the United States.

Buyer's Lift Guide
View the Buyer's Lift Guide above from Rotary, do you see 'MADE IN THE USA' anywhere on this document? They may dance around the idea, but you wont see 'MADE IN THE USA' clearly visible.

WorldClass Quality Lift?
Also view "What is a World Class Quality Lift?" Again, I don't see anywhere on this document talking about a USA made lift...

Finally, an ad i found recently... the flag at the bottom left must mean "God Bless America", not made in America.

I don't know if you remember this article... but the president of Rotary back in 2005 quit because the company decided to take their business overseas... he'd been there since 1998 and didn't want any part of it...

Bottom line is, does it really matter where the lift comes from? Obviously BendPak and Rotary are doing things right - they've been in business for many years. My $.02, with BendPak, you’ll always get more bang for the buck. Once you get your lift... you'll be more than satisfied - just like everyone else in these forums.

 

[bobs4092]

Guess I'm going to find out soon, just got an e-mail this morning saying it was shipped out yesterday!

Today I bought and installed the 10/2 wire and I have a 1-3/8" deep impact socket on it's way to me. Best place I found was a seller on ebay for $6.99 plus $9.00 shipping. Best of all, it's a 1/2" drive so no need to try and locate a 3/4" to 1/2" adapter. (which I can't seem to find!) You don't even want to know what SEARS wanted for a 1-3/8" deep socket that was 3/4" drive. It was obscene!


I also went to the Conway trucking company where I am having this delived to. (even though I just found out, Bend pak shipped it with Yellow freight) They said it was fine with them if I wanted to unpack it there on the loading dock and haul it home with 2 or more pickup trucks. They were very nice about things and said they'd even help load into the truck(s). Going to save $100 on hiring a roll back if that plan works out.


The installation story to follow...

 

[revlover]

Yes, please post your installation story and include any questions... I'm sure between all of us we can handle any questions.

You're going to be very pleased with your purchase... just wait

 

[ovilla]

bobs4092 - Take a tow strap (that has hooks on each end) with you so that you can wrap it around the middle of the top ramp and around the forklift forks, so that you have support for the ramp as you unbolt it from the steel frame structures on each end. The top ramp within my shipment was the one that contained the cylinder (and was very heavy). You'll definitely want to make sure you have the middle supported when you loosen the side bolts from the crating. Anyway, you'll want to loosen the bolts holding the bottom ramp in place first as the top ramp (the one with the cylinder) also has the sheaves (aka pulleys) already installed and they will get in the way when trying to remove the steel crating from each end. You have to almost remove the steel crating straight out the side. When we were removing ours, we couldn't even push the crating to the side a bit because the sheaves kept getting in the way. Best of luck to you! If you get stuck, please reach out to someone on the board. There's plenty of experience now with this lift.

Finally, forgot to mention this with my build. DO NOT PANIC during the very first use. I had everything wired and filled with fluid and when I went to push the button to lift the ramps, nothing happened for a good 20-25 seconds. What is happening during the first use is that the hydraulic lines and cylinder are being filled with fluid so this will take a little bit to fill. You will also hear a lot of weird noises coming from the pump (due to air in the system). During the first few uses of going all the way up and down, every now and then hit the button to go up and at the same time push the lever to go down. Doing both at the same time will actually cause the lift to descend (drop) so you'll want to do this when the lift is below the first available locking position. Anyway, this is straight from the manual, and is the procedure for removing air from the system.

 

[bobs4092]

Got mine! See my report for how things went in the new thread I started:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17129


Bob

 

[jezlberry]

Just to clear up some misinformation........

You can't compare Bendpak to Greg Smith. Bendpak had their lift tested to certification standards, Greg Smith didn't. I have had lots of people admit to me what a piece of **** they bought from Smitty, but overall everyone has been happy with their Bendpak parking lifts. Hell yes it's Chinese, but for as much as you guys use them, they'll never wear out. The only bad thing I can say is that they are a PITA to install as Bobs has found out.


As for being deceived, get used to it! The internet lets anyone with a keypad become an expert. I service and install lifts every damned day of my life, and here is what I know:

You would have to be insane to load a 4 post lift into the back of a pickup truck. We ALWAYS work on the safe side....get a car trailer and go pick up your lift at the trucking terminal! Believe me it's much easier to load, transport and to take pieces off one at a time with your engine crane.

Rotary now makes a significant part of their lift in China....Why do you think they bought the Hanmecson factory?

Someone said that no lifts are made in the US, but I beg to differ. I know right now of three companies that cut, bend, punch, weld and paint their entire lift right here in this country. And you can go to their factory and watch them! Of course, you can't buy them for less than three grand.

There is a difference between US and China products. When I got into this business 21 years ago, we sold Challenger Lifts as the lift that would last twenty years. I was wrong! I have some customers whose lifts have been going up and down for 25 years. They will far outlast any other brand of lift. However, todays lifts are designed to last 7 years. Once again, in your home garage you would be hard pressed to wear one out, but for God's sake get a lift that is ETL certified! I'm sure that is what your wife would recommend. (well maybe not the JUNKMAN) I realize that the range of knowledge on this board is from the "first lift I ever owned" to the "I use a lift at work every day", but do you really think that a 1500 dollar lift is as safe as a 2800 dollar lift? And how about 7 years from now?

As far as the post that says "Plus, I'd never heard of a Bend Pak lift causing an accident." , how many people call YOU when they drop a car? It's not just Bendpak.... and it's not just because you did an internet search and couldn't find any reports of accidents. I get a call every week where someone has dropped a car off a (fill in the name here) lift. Sometimes it is operator error, and sometimes it is a component failure. Either way, someone has made a mistake. But we are seeing more of it since "global manufacturing" has come of age.

"The best two company's to buy auto lifts from are BendPak and Rotary" Really? I moved ten lifts for a company last week. They had a 15k Bendpak and a 15K ALM. The techs said that the ALM would pick up ANYTHING they threw at it, but they are scared to put more than an F350 on the Bendpak. And another shop has a Whip 10k and a Rotary 10k. He hates the Rotary, describing it as the "biggest piece of s#*t he has ever seen" My point is that recommendations on lifts are nebulous at best. My advice is to go see one in person, loaded with a truck, run it up and down a couple of times,and see how YOU like it. Then decide how to spend your hard earned cash.

Brian

 

[Vicious_Cycle]

Hey Jezlberry, are you familiar with the "Atlas Pro-V10" from GregSmith/Atlas/Hanmecson? Can I assume you have a low opinion of it?

(Not wanting to argue about it... respectfully asking your opinion, that's all)
Thanks.

 

[jimval]

Just to clear up some misinformation........

You can't compare Bendpak to Greg Smith..... I have had lots of people admit to me what a piece of **** they bought from Smitty....

Brian

Let's see some proof rather than nebulous **** comments.

 

[jezlberry]

Hey Jezlberry, are you familiar with the "Atlas Pro-V10" from GregSmith/Atlas/Hanmecson? Can I assume you have a low opinion of it?

(Not wanting to argue about it... respectfully asking your opinion, that's all)
Thanks.

Actually, if I were going to buy a non certified lift, that would be the one to choose. But only for a home garage! I have seen several automotive shops that have worn them out prematurely.

Brian

 

[jezlberry]

Let's see some proof rather than nebulous **** comments.

What kind of proof? DO you want to talk to those people personally? Do you want to go install lifts with me? I can show you pictures if you want

Brian

 

[jimval]

Pictures would be great.

 

[LVDell]

Somebody seems to have an agenda. I have, and several of my friends have the Greg Smith Direct Lift (Pro Park model) and it is VERY solid, well put together and have not heard of the problems some of you mention. Isn't somebody calling a Greg Smith lift a piece of **** nothing more than anecdotal? FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims. At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary! I also like that my 4-post lift also has a DOUBLE locking safety mechanism in place.

Here's some good reading to help explain the differences:
http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Articles.asp?ID=270

Sure, it would be nice to buy a 100% American made product but the pricing on some of those made (or claimed to be made) in the US is absolutely insane. Is it coming down to the cost of labor? You can't attribute it to the materials in EVERY situation which most just assume. Just because it is made in China doesn't mean it is ****. There is a reason there is a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit) with China........and it's not quality of materials.

 

[jimval]

Somebody seems to have an agenda. I have, and several of my friends have the Greg Smith Direct Lift (Pro Park model) and it is VERY solid, well put together and have not heard of the problems some of you mention. Isn't somebody calling a Greg Smith lift a piece of **** nothing more than anecdotal? FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims. At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary! I also like that my 4-post lift also has a DOUBLE locking safety mechanism in place.

Couldn't agree more. I know several people who have them and love the Greg Smith lifts. As far as customer service I have experienced it with GS and found it to be exceptional. I have nothing against the bendpak LIFT. Never used one and never saw one in action. They might be great and they might not. It does seem that the bendpak buyers are promoting their USA made lift when nothing could be further from the truth.

For those that don't know what ISO 9000 is, go try and get that certification and see how hard it is..........

 

[Vicious_Cycle]

Actually, if I were going to buy a non certified lift, that would be the one to choose. But only for a home garage! I have seen several automotive shops that have worn them out prematurely.

Brian

Thanks for your opinion, Brian. I own a Pro-V10, and it seems for the most part to be pretty heavy duty in terms of structural strength... overkill actually, for my purposes. 95% of the time I use it is for a family car, and I don't use it all that often.

I can't speak to how quickly it would wear out in a dealership type of environment, but I do think some of the hardware could have been designed better. As long as it doesn't drop a car on my head, I'll be happy.

 

[jezlberry]

"FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims."

You mean I need facts and statistics to repeat the opinion of someone who owns the lift?

"At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary!"

Then one has to wonder why the Rotary Revolution is ETL certified and costs about 1200 dollars more, since they are the same company. Why isn't the Pro Park ETL certified? Could there be a diiference in quality?


"Sure, it would be nice to buy a 100% American made product but the pricing on some of those made (or claimed to be made) in the US is absolutely insane. Is it coming down to the cost of labor? You can't attribute it to the materials in EVERY situation which most just assume. Just because it is made in China doesn't mean it is ****. There is a reason there is a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit) with China........and it's not quality of materials."

Sure it is! We have become so driven by price that quality has become secondary in the decision making process. Think Wally world......do you believe that the price can keep going down on products while the quality stays the same? Go to your local library and there are hundreds of books on this subject. All the guys I work with have stories about Chinese tools ( we call them sacrificial). I bought a electric impact at Harbor freight and the nose cone broke off within thirty days. I bought an American made one at Sears and used it for three years before it gave up the ghost. 79 bucks at Harbor Freight, 180 at Sears. Which one was a better value?

I can see where you would defend your purchase decision, everybody does. Some say,"It'll be OK", others say" I wish I had just invested a little more and got a better lift"

And that is my whole point. Your Pro Park is solid as a rock, my customer's is a POS. And it is the same lift.

Nobody should trust your or my opinion....they need to go see the lift , operate the lift, but most importantly, load the lift to see if it is the quality they desire

 

[RAO-3]

"FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims."

You mean I need facts and statistics to repeat the opinion of someone who owns the lift?

"At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary!"

Then one has to wonder why the Rotary Revolution is ETL certified and costs about 1200 dollars more, since they are the same company. Why isn't the Pro Park ETL certified? Could there be a diiference in quality?


"Sure, it would be nice to buy a 100% American made product but the pricing on some of those made (or claimed to be made) in the US is absolutely insane. Is it coming down to the cost of labor? You can't attribute it to the materials in EVERY situation which most just assume. Just because it is made in China doesn't mean it is ****. There is a reason there is a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit) with China........and it's not quality of materials."

Sure it is! We have become so driven by price that quality has become secondary in the decision making process. Think Wally world......do you believe that the price can keep going down on products while the quality stays the same? Go to your local library and there are hundreds of books on this subject. All the guys I work with have stories about Chinese tools ( we call them sacrificial). I bought a electric impact at Harbor freight and the nose cone broke off within thirty days. I bought an American made one at Sears and used it for three years before it gave up the ghost. 79 bucks at Harbor Freight, 180 at Sears. Which one was a better value?

I can see where you would defend your purchase decision, everybody does. Some say,"It'll be OK", others say" I wish I had just invested a little more and got a better lift"

And that is my whole point. Your Pro Park is solid as a rock, my customer's is a POS. And it is the same lift.

Nobody should trust your or my opinion....they need to go see the lift , operate the lift, but most importantly, load the lift to see if it is the quality they desire

Very well stated.

 

[LVDell]

"FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims."

You mean I need facts and statistics to repeat the opinion of someone who owns the lift?

NO, BUT YOU DO NEED THEM TO MAKE CLAIMS. YOU ARE JUST STATING HEARSAY AND ANECDOTES.

"At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary!"

Then one has to wonder why the Rotary Revolution is ETL certified and costs about 1200 dollars more, since they are the same company. Why isn't the Pro Park ETL certified? Could there be a diiference in quality?
DON'T KNOW, MAYBE ASK THEM?

"Sure, it would be nice to buy a 100% American made product but the pricing on some of those made (or claimed to be made) in the US is absolutely insane. Is it coming down to the cost of labor? You can't attribute it to the materials in EVERY situation which most just assume. Just because it is made in China doesn't mean it is ****. There is a reason there is a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit) with China........and it's not quality of materials."

Sure it is! We have become so driven by price that quality has become secondary in the decision making process. Think Wally world......do you believe that the price can keep going down on products while the quality stays the same? Go to your local library and there are hundreds of books on this subject. All the guys I work with have stories about Chinese tools ( we call them sacrificial). I bought a electric impact at Harbor freight and the nose cone broke off within thirty days. I bought an American made one at Sears and used it for three years before it gave up the ghost. 79 bucks at Harbor Freight, 180 at Sears. Which one was a better value?
THAT'S NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT. THAT IS COINCIDENCE. THERE ARE MANY LOWER PRICED ALTERNATIVES IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT PERFORM BETTER THAN HIGHER PRICED COMPS. WHAT YOU ARE REPORTING A WHAT WE CALL IN THE STATS WORLD A BIASED SAMPLE


I can see where you would defend your purchase decision, everybody does. Some say,"It'll be OK", others say" I wish I had just invested a little more and got a better lift"

And that is my whole point. Your Pro Park is solid as a rock, my customer's is a POS. And it is the same lift.
BAD INSTALLATION MAYBE???

Nobody should trust your or my opinion....they need to go see the lift , operate the lift, but most importantly, load the lift to see if it is the quality they desire
ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100000000000% THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID.

Very well stated.

NOT REALLY BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE

 

[ovilla]

Guys, it's really everyone sharing experiences and pointing out facts that helps us all to make our own buying decisions. The marketing hype is simply that and gets old quick as every MFG will state that their lift is the best. Info on each model is also very limited. In the end, it's word of mouth that helps many form positive or negative opinions of brands and their products (for almost every thing sold). With lifts, there's simply so many variables to deal with so it makes them so hard to compare. Too bad there isn't a car show that shows all of them in use or a local dealer for each model sold. At best, it's info from boards that helps many form opinions that eventually lead to a purchase.

Finally, I enjoy the debates here as they are positive and non-insulting for the most part. I think though that it is much more helpful to share actual experiences and not just make blanket statements about companies or their products. Comments like that don't benefit anyone.

 

[jezlberry]

FYI....you need STATISTICS on ALL the lifts you want to praise AND bash to compare scientifically and back up claims."

You mean I need facts and statistics to repeat the opinion of someone who owns the lift?

NO, BUT YOU DO NEED THEM TO MAKE CLAIMS. YOU ARE JUST STATING HEARSAY AND ANECDOTES.

You are so right! I heard it and I am saying it right hear!!! (get it?)

"At least with Greg Smith I was able to see a that my lift is manufactured in a ISO/CE certified plant (100% American owned!) and that company (The Dover Corp) also owns Rotary!"

Then one has to wonder why the Rotary Revolution is ETL certified and costs about 1200 dollars more, since they are the same company. Why isn't the Pro Park ETL certified? Could there be a diiference in quality?
DON'T KNOW, MAYBE ASK THEM?

You are full of it....you DO know!!!Besides, just because the factory is certified doesn't mean the lift is safer. Why don't they submit it for testing?

"Sure, it would be nice to buy a 100% American made product but the pricing on some of those made (or claimed to be made) in the US is absolutely insane. Is it coming down to the cost of labor? You can't attribute it to the materials in EVERY situation which most just assume. Just because it is made in China doesn't mean it is ****. There is a reason there is a HUGE trade imbalance (deficit) with China........and it's not quality of materials."

Sure it is! We have become so driven by price that quality has become secondary in the decision making process. Think Wally world......do you believe that the price can keep going down on products while the quality stays the same? Go to your local library and there are hundreds of books on this subject. All the guys I work with have stories about Chinese tools ( we call them sacrificial). I bought a electric impact at Harbor freight and the nose cone broke off within thirty days. I bought an American made one at Sears and used it for three years before it gave up the ghost. 79 bucks at Harbor Freight, 180 at Sears. Which one was a better value?
THAT'S NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT. THAT IS COINCIDENCE. THERE ARE MANY LOWER PRICED ALTERNATIVES IN EVERY INDUSTRY THAT PERFORM BETTER THAN HIGHER PRICED COMPS. WHAT YOU ARE REPORTING A WHAT WE CALL IN THE STATS WORLD A BIASED SAMPLE

That may be the silliest thing that I have ever heard anyone say! Let's see....a lower priced alternative Chevrolet that performs better than a BMW? How about a lower priced bottle of Ripple that performs better than a bottle of Dom Peringon? Or some Harbor Freight tools that perform better than Snap On tools? How about a Golden Corral steak that performs better than a Ruths Chris steak.....I could go on all day. The point is that QUALITY is RELATED to PRICE and you cannot circumvent that equation!!!!!


I can see where you would defend your purchase decision, everybody does. Some say,"It'll be OK", others say" I wish I had just invested a little more and got a better lift"

And that is my whole point. Your Pro Park is solid as a rock, my customer's is a POS. And it is the same lift.
BAD INSTALLATION MAYBE???
OK THIS is the silliest thing i've ever heard. They all go together the SAME way... hOw could you screw up the install??????

Nobody should trust your or my opinion....they need to go see the lift , operate the lift, but most importantly, load the lift to see if it is the quality they desire
ABSOLUTELY AGREE 100000000000% THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID.

You make me SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Proud
Brian

 

[jimval]

Beware, Brian the lift God has spoken. Next time I'll look for the "Certified by Brian" label before I buy. LOL.

 

[jezlberry]

Beware, Brian the lift God has spoken. Next time I'll look for the "Certified by Brian" label before I buy. LOL.

What an idea! Why didn't I think of that sooner.........By gosh , we'll make millions! Jimval, you are my new best friend

 

[LVDell]

Brian, you really don't get it do you? Take off your lift industry blinders and join the rest of us.

jimval said it very well that you are coming across as "the" lift god.....you really seem to have the inability to listen to any outside input other than your own. Take a look in the dictionary at the following word--egocentric.

Now where do I get my "Certified by Brian" sticker?

 

[jay50]

Wonder if he will be certifying any of the HF lifts, I want a cheap one...LOL

 

[milkovich]

Brian, you really don't get it do you? Take off your lift industry blinders and join the rest of us.

I like the industry blinders. If the guy installs lifts, I can't think of anyone else's opinion I'd want to hear more.

You bought one pro-park. You liked it. JimVal bought one pro-park. He liked it. That's two satisfied GS customers in this thread alone. I'd say the lift is aquitting itself pretty well but no need to call a dude who works with lifts all day "egocentric" He's not even trying to sell anything... just offering up good information.

 

[LVDell]

I like the industry blinders. If the guy installs lifts, I can't think of anyone else's opinion I'd want to hear more.

You bought one pro-park. You liked it. JimVal bought one pro-park. He liked it. That's two satisfied GS customers in this thread alone. I'd say the lift is aquitting itself pretty well but no need to call a dude who works with lifts all day "egocentric" He's not even trying to sell anything... just offering up good information.

if that's what you call it then go ahead. but if by "good information" you mean opinions rather than facts then that makes sense. time to unsubscribe from this thread as there doesn't seem to be any understanding from the blinders camp

 

[jezlberry]

if that's what you call it then go ahead. but if by "good information" you mean opinions rather than facts then that makes sense. time to unsubscribe from this thread as there doesn't seem to be any understanding from the blinders camp

Let's see......call me a name and then leave. Does this mean I win?

My whole goal here is to save one person from running out with their Mastercard to buy a 1400 dollar lift, and then end up diasppointed with it. Next week I have to service two lifts that won't come down to the ground because of debris in the cylinders from the manufacturing process. (but he got a great deal on the lifts!)
I installed 2 today from a company that makes half their lift overseas, and alll the techs that looked at it were VERY impressed. I would share that opinion if anyone asked about that lift brand:just like I shared the opinions previously posted. Not everyone fits one mold. And this message board IS all about opinions.

BTW, the lifts I removed were installed in 1986, and were only removed because they lacked arm locks. Try that with an import!

Since we don't know what YOU do for a living, I have to take your opinions with a grain of salt......but it sure was fun debating you

Thanks,
Brian