Outlawmws
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Look closer safety shields are right there...
P89, if the sale grinder was chineesuim, keep the 43 YO grinder....
P89, if the sale grinder was chineesuim, keep the 43 YO grinder....
let's see your craftsman block grinders
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lafester
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Ha I see them now.
Hi guys......... this is my first post here.
I have an old Craftsman bench grinder, I don't think it's what would be referred to as the block. It's a model 115-6965.
I'm not sure what year this was made. The tag says 01 48. January 1948 ??
Anyway, I'm looking for any information, parts lists and parts for this.
TNX......... JL
I would like to find some decent inner flanges and a clean motor shroud.
I have an old Craftsman bench grinder, I don't think it's what would be referred to as the block. It's a model 115-6965.
I'm not sure what year this was made. The tag says 01 48. January 1948 ??
Anyway, I'm looking for any information, parts lists and parts for this.
TNX......... JL
I would like to find some decent inner flanges and a clean motor shroud.
cajunfirehawk
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Not sure if you know, but their just so happens to be one on ebay currently, he wants big money for it and its been restored, I collect a lot of these and yours is only the second I have seen like this, Torqueman may have seen this before thought? Very nice!Hi guys......... this is my first post here.
I have an old Craftsman bench grinder, I don't think it's what would be referred to as the block. It's a model 115-6965.
I'm not sure what year this was made. The tag says 01 48. January 1948 ??
Anyway, I'm looking for any information, parts lists and parts for this.
TNX......... JL
I would like to find some decent inner flanges and a clean motor shroud.
Outlawmws
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Do you still have the metal band? if you can get the image from a clean one having new graphics printed would be more practical than finding a donor. Those are near unobtainuim...
115 was originally Packard Electric, then about 1932/33, Delco bought both Packard and sunlight Electrical, then in January of 1940 the Sunlight Electrical operations were separated from Delco (this has a Conflict with other info..._)
"It is believed that both Sunlight and Packard built motors and grinders for Sears" apparently under er the same number? then: in 1943, Sunlight Electric's small motor production was consolidated with Packard... So almost certainly under The Delco "umbrella" but exactly who was who is not known to me...
Nice find and restore so far!
115 was originally Packard Electric, then about 1932/33, Delco bought both Packard and sunlight Electrical, then in January of 1940 the Sunlight Electrical operations were separated from Delco (this has a Conflict with other info..._)
"It is believed that both Sunlight and Packard built motors and grinders for Sears" apparently under er the same number? then: in 1943, Sunlight Electric's small motor production was consolidated with Packard... So almost certainly under The Delco "umbrella" but exactly who was who is not known to me...
Nice find and restore so far!
cajunfirehawk
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The metal band is that polished stripped like chrome metal, the label/tag is actually on the back with just a small simple emblem on the front, see the one on ebay, no, not mine but tempting
Love those thumb screws and eye shields!https://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-Bench-Grinder-1-3-H-P-115-Volt/142738950715?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
torqueman2002
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I saw the one on ebay. It's a different model even though it looks the same, that one is 1/3 HP. I think mine is 1/2 HP. That may be the reason for the difference in model numbers.
So I must have a rare one ?? They probably didn't make many of them before they changed the design.
I started restoring mine about 10 years ago or so and couldn't find a nice motor shroud or inner wheel flanges so I put it on the back shelf. Now I would like to finish it up.
I would also like to get a pedestal for it.
JL............
Yes, I have the metal band or shroud.
I was thinking of having it re-chromed but there isn't any one around me that does any plating. I looked into the home use kits but I don't think you get the same results from them. I don't know how I would reproduce the striping, mask it off and bead blast after chroming???
JL..............
Outlawmws
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Is the band steel or aluminum? If aluminum you can simply polish and as you suggested media blast the stripes.
Thanks for the info and history.
I have an old Delco 6" grinder. I'll post a picture of it tomorrow.
JL............
The band is steel and it's pictured in my first post, not the best picture.
It has some surface rust and pitting. I started to buff some of it off in one spot.
You can see the copper flash under the chrome, probably a couple tenths of nickel plating between the copper and chrome.
I can make new inner flanges, that's easy. The safety glass frames are pitted also but they are die cast. I could sand and polish them to bright finish aluminum.
JL..........
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I messed up both the flanges trying to remove them from the shaft. I know they are supposed to slide off but these woldn't budge. I could turn them freely but couldn't pull them off. No where to grab them with a puller and no way to press them off. I had to use a lot of heat and wooden wedges behind them. Finally I was able to remove them.
What had happened is there is a small groove in the shaft right in front of the bearing surface, like a relief cut or snap ring groove. It has a sharp edge and over the years of probably slipping and being tightened and pressed up against the inner race of the bearing where it seats, the ID of the flange kinda roll formed itself down into that groove locking the flange on the shaft.
JL.............
What had happened is there is a small groove in the shaft right in front of the bearing surface, like a relief cut or snap ring groove. It has a sharp edge and over the years of probably slipping and being tightened and pressed up against the inner race of the bearing where it seats, the ID of the flange kinda roll formed itself down into that groove locking the flange on the shaft.
JL.............
lafester
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Ok there are a total of 2 block grinders for sale in my area (if they are even still available). Both 1/3 hp, one industrial on a 2 pedestal stand with one pedestal empty. The other being non industrial on a single pedestal stand and looks a few years newer. Both in great shape and of course premium pricing @ 150 & 170 respectively. Other then the plate they both look identical and neither have a light, so it really comes down to pedestal value as I would resell that to make it reasonable.
Thoughts? If they were under $100 they would be in my garage already.
I do like the look of that industrial plate and have an inquiry placed to check it out, but the pedestal on the other one is cool and seems like there would be higher demand for it.
Thoughts? If they were under $100 they would be in my garage already.
I do like the look of that industrial plate and have an inquiry placed to check it out, but the pedestal on the other one is cool and seems like there would be higher demand for it.
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EOC_Jason
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^^^^ That... But I have seen a few people mount 2 x grinders on that pedestal...
Not sure what the resale vale of either is, I've seen a lot more of the single ones with grinders on them than the doubles with jointers... and I'm sure it is missing the motor mount and guard (for a jointer).
Not sure what the resale vale of either is, I've seen a lot more of the single ones with grinders on them than the doubles with jointers... and I'm sure it is missing the motor mount and guard (for a jointer).
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Just listed it on the FOCO craigslist.
lafester
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Almost every craftsman jointer I see is either on the rectangle stand or a home made one.
So does industrial make any difference between these two?
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lafester
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Thanks, good info as always but I was referring to the grinders. What is the difference between the two?
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lafester
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Here is a better pic of the double pedestal. I'm thinking it is for a lathe.
They probably had a 1HP mounted on the empty spot.
I'm going to look at it tonight... anything I should look for?
Been doing some research and it seems these pedestals are pretty rare. The grinder itself is fairly common but in great condition and complete. Pretty sure I will pick this one up and hopefully the stand will cover the cost.
They probably had a 1HP mounted on the empty spot.
I'm going to look at it tonight... anything I should look for?
Been doing some research and it seems these pedestals are pretty rare. The grinder itself is fairly common but in great condition and complete. Pretty sure I will pick this one up and hopefully the stand will cover the cost.
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lafester
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It's mine... Can I join the club now?
I let it run for 15 min and I could barely tell it was on. Would like this to be a soft wire brush and polisher if I can figure out what to get.
So thinking about the stand a bit more and it sure would look nice with a top board and three grinders mounted on it. I'll probably put it up at an 'I don't want to sell it' price while I continue the hunt.
I let it run for 15 min and I could barely tell it was on. Would like this to be a soft wire brush and polisher if I can figure out what to get.
So thinking about the stand a bit more and it sure would look nice with a top board and three grinders mounted on it. I'll probably put it up at an 'I don't want to sell it' price while I continue the hunt.
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chrisnazzy
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Awesome!! I have the same industrial rated model grinder. I would have been all over that deal for a matching grinder and double pedestal stand.It's mine... Can I join the club now?
Just let it run for 15 min and you can barely tell it on. Would like this to be a soft wire brush and polisher if I can figure out what to get.
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lafester
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Took off the stones and everything looks pretty nice. I assume the extra washer on the right side was for balancing. I know nothing about grinders, yet.
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EOC_Jason
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Might have just been to hold that reducer in place.
lafester
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Can anyone recommend a good caster for these bases? I don't suppose sears parts still carries them. I'll probably end up making a 2x4 base anyway to protect the iron and raise it up a bit.
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Outlawmws
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I would make a wider base if you put asters on it. With casters these get top heavy and can be tipsy. Having a top heavy tool go over can be the end of the tool. (the demise of a jigsaw I gave a friend when his son knocked it over and it crashed...)
lafester
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One more question for the block heads... is there an acceptable lamp replacement out there that doesn't look modern? I've seen a few posts but nobody ever shows the final result or how to install.
To Outlawmws:
You know I had it set up to be wider and then I was thinking I needed the space so I put it on top of the long 2x4s and made it narrow. Now I don't have any bolts long enough to go through everything and it is a bit more unstable.
I'll see how it works out once I get it bolted down and level. The stand itself weighs 74 lbs so it's not really top heavy, although once I get a second grinder on there it may become so.
To Outlawmws:
You know I had it set up to be wider and then I was thinking I needed the space so I put it on top of the long 2x4s and made it narrow. Now I don't have any bolts long enough to go through everything and it is a bit more unstable.
I'll see how it works out once I get it bolted down and level. The stand itself weighs 74 lbs so it's not really top heavy, although once I get a second grinder on there it may become so.
lafester
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trijeff
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Worth it for sure, you could just use for wire wheeling or buffing and then the missing bits become moot. But 3/4s ain't that easy to find, I personally would be all over it. Not a you **** deal but definitely a solid one.
lafester
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Still waiting to hear back. This was a make me an offer deal and he accepted but hasn't set up a pick up time yet. Honestly I would rather pay more and have a complete piece then trying to find the parts after. This one would be flipped (minus the light if its good) after I find a 1/2 or greater round top.
After thinking about it some more I think I'm going to pass on this one.
Anybody near Denver that is interested should check it out on letgo.
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cajunfirehawk
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Whats this club you guys speak of, something about double stands? 
lafester
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I've seen some of your posts... you definitely have a serious problem.
I only see one double in your collection though so at least I have you matched there. Maybe there is another in your new in box section?
My plan is a 1/2 hp commercial on the other post and stopping there, at least for my own use.
I only see one double in your collection though so at least I have you matched there. Maybe there is another in your new in box section?
My plan is a 1/2 hp commercial on the other post and stopping there, at least for my own use.
Whats this club you guys speak of, something about double stands?
cajunfirehawk
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Well YES, I do have a problem, lol
Cool thing about those bases IS, a lot of them had the "ball transfer studs" IE; round adjustable wheels on bearings that screwed into threaded holds on those bases, most were removed but a few of mine have them, they make those stands awesome to move around!
Smokeshow69
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Whats this club you guys speak of, something about double stands?
Show off [emoji16] that is a nice lineup !
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bagged89s10
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Whats this club you guys speak of, something about double stands?
We might have a problem on our hands here. Lol
Trey T
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how many 3/4-1hp cman block grinder do you own?Whats this club you guys speak of, something about double stands?
EOC_Jason
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Still a heck of a lot lighter than having a vise collection.. 
lafester
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So I made an offer on the single pedestal and I may end up with both of these. I think they will look great side by side on the double stand until I can find a 1/2 or 3/4 round top worthy of that spot.
The single pedestal will be sold to pay for the second grinder. Curious if any of you run the power cord down through the column? I have mine that way but I think I need to put some small spacers in so I don't crush it.
The single pedestal will be sold to pay for the second grinder. Curious if any of you run the power cord down through the column? I have mine that way but I think I need to put some small spacers in so I don't crush it.
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