Let's see your Herbrand!

[Oldtuleguy]

I believe from the above selection that the wide three slots tally with the battery tool set.

The white top corner and name ranging suggest another year.

The wider middle slot would indicate that

 

[humber2]

No140 I have also posted this in the Measuring the Gap thread.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Herbrand supplied those to firestone, as well as sparkplug sockets

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found a pair of Herbie "Van-Chrome" MULTI-HEX long pattern 45* deep offsets at the flea market yesterday, a No. 3731B (7/8" x 13/16"), and a No. 3727A (11/16" x 5/8").



If they look a little dull or even gray to you, they are satin. "Velvety, smooth, double satin nickel over copper," per the 1937 catalog. It held up fairly well, and I prefer satin over shiny, but they probably haven't been velvety in a good many years.



They instantly made me and the lonely orphan No. 3729A (25/32" x 3/4") I have had in my lonely orphans drawer for many years happy. Because you know what I say, "One of anything is just one, and two is a pair, but three is a collection!"

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Some nice van chrome! Picked up a j9 along with some other goodies shopping craigslist today.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Both of these wrenches are made by Herbrand. The one marked “Herbrand “ has model number 2373, which is a flathead Ford drain plug wrench for pre-1948 V8 Fords. The other has Johnson 60 on it, the dimensions are the same, although there is a slight difference in the bend. The small Ford V8s were 60 series. The Johnson is a mystery. Any insight? Provincial?

 

[bmwrd0]

Johnson outboards?

 

[Provincial]

I agree with bmw - Johnson outboard motors may have used the same drain plug size hex, although I doubt that they used that Ford plug with the screen attached.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Thanks. Now I’ll try to focus my ignorance in a different direction!

 

[four.cycle]

might be completely off the mark, but this is all I show for "Johnson":

Johnson / H.J. Johnson Co., Toledo, OH / "Arrow Line" /

Johnson / Israel H. Johnson & Co., Philadelphia, PA / "Mortimer's Rapid Transit Wrench" / patent 182591 Sep 26 1876 A.M. Mortimer / http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgIndex/detail.aspx?id=4018 /

Johnson / Iver Johnson, Fitchburg, MA / (same Iver Johnson the gun maker) /

Johnson / Jonhson Mfg. Co., 1011 S. 12th, Omaha, NE /

Johnson / William Johnson, Newark, NJ / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300881 /

Johnston / Johnston Harvester Co., Batavia, NY / implement wrenches / https://www.farmcollector.com/company-history/the-johnston-harvester-company/ /

 

[four.cycle]

RE: Herbrand catalog No. 66 https://archive.org/details/HerbrandCatalogNo661966

The copy currently available at ITCL is missing pages 26-27 (pliers).

You may want to check your *.pdf copy of the Herbrand catalog No. 66 if you currently have one on file.

I have forwarded to ITCL a complete copy of catalog No. 66, which should be available for download in a couple weeks.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I was happy to spot this GMTK-spec 10-pin carbon scraper at the flea this morning. I've found several over the years, but this is the first Herbrand.

 

[jabberwoki]

Herbrand 2 9/16 inch offset open end wrench caterpillar John Deere -...

Large heavy equipment CAT mechanic millwright tool fits 2 1/2” , 2 9/16” , would fit 2 5/8” and bigger with some modifications grinding etc. key words logger mac , Armstrong , Snap on , Wright ,...

portland.craigslist.org

 

[Lesserstore]

Found this old 4 way in the corner of my garage. I thought it was old because of the rust and being made from one sold piece instead of welded. My instincts were right and it turned out to be a Herbrand 1050X after I wire wheeled it.

 

[four.cycle]

1966 Herbrand Catalog No. 66 now available for download at International Tool Catalog Library

* If you already have a copy of this catalog in *.pdf format, check it. Previous copies available online are missing pages 26-27

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I picked up this gapper tool (See Pic 1) at the flea this morning. I'm told they were all the craze in the 70's, but I suspect this one could be a much earlier example. The patent ("2,645,142") marked on it (see Pic 2) was granted in 1953 and first shows up in Herbrand's 1954 catalog, No. 55M, in Section 11, Page 3 (see Pic 3 for a better image from a later catalog), which is page 54 overall in the pdf hosted generously on Mark Stansbury's IA/ITCL, and the script branding looks earlier to me. On top of all that, entries in the later catalogs talk about improved versions that don't match these features.

Either way, I am 99.9% sure these were made by a third party. If you look at the bottom of the excerpt I made from the USPTO site (see Pic 4), there is a huge clue. Give up? Note that while the patent was granted to Otto Schwenzfeier, he assigned it to James T. Clark. Look where Mr. Clark is from. Fort Morgan, Colorado, the home of Clark-Feather, just the kind of outfit who would make these. Heck, they made valve lifters for everyone else, too. I could be wrong, but if I am, it would be a very weird coincidence.

Some close-ups in Pics 5 & 6.

 

[d42jeep]

Here are mine. Both have the same patent number. Great tools!
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Thanks for posting, Don. The Snap-on U.S.A. example with the classic Clark-Feather part number (CF-71) helps confirm my theory.

 

[Ricky Joe]

I think this was made by Herbrand in the late 1930s. The selector has three positions, with the middle a lock, just like my 1930s Herbrand ratchets. It is labeled, “KIP-TUF Palm-grip Ratchet, Kipton, Ohio”.

 

[four.cycle]

^
Kipton / Kipton Industries, Kipton, OH / US Patent 2620001 Dec 2 1952 & 2672066 Mar 16 1954 George C. Fratz and Paul W. Sandrock / Canadian Patent CA522892 CA524280 / "Kip-Tuf" Palm-Grip ratchet / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/palm-grip-ratchet-replacement-screwdrivers.484483/ /

So... Private Lugnutz ... you think all those spark plug gappers were being made by Clark-Feather?
Snap-on and Herbrand weren't the only re-brands on that unit:

 

[Private Lugnutz]

So... Private Lugnutz ... you think all those spark plug gappers were being made by Clark-Feather?

Yes, I do. But I have not researched it. I am willing to make that bet based purely on the fact that a Mr. Clark from Ft Morgan, CO owned the patent, that Clark-Feather was located in Ft Morgan, CO, that the Snap-on model Don has bears a Clark-Feather model number, and the precedence for their pervasive third party manufacturing history with a similar common service tool (valve lifter) they patented.

Snap-on and Herbrand weren't the only re-brands on that unit:

Their re-branding of their own lifter was not confined to Snap-on and Herbrand either.

CF-12 = Blue Point CF-12.
CF-12-1 = Blue Point CF-12-1; Wilde No. 675; New Britain VL-151
CF-12A = Blue Point CF-12A; OTC A-100, Cornwell VT-24.
CF-49 = Blue Point CF-49; Lisle CF-49; Wilde 695, OTC A-150.
CF-49A = Snap-On CF-49A; Herbrand VL-540; Lisle CF-49A; New Britain VL-151; Cornwell VT-124A; Mac CF-49A; Kennedy VT-49; Indestro CF-49A; OTC; Blackhawk VT1002; Wilde 695A; Duro Chrome CF-49A; Toledo 304185; Bonney RC-120; Cal-Van 578.

 

[The Bean]

I had never heard of Herbrand until I was sorting a bunch of old tools and discovered this, my only Herbrand tool.

Now, I see this thread on GJ and I can share my surprise.

 

[four.cycle]

Yes, I do. But I have not researched it.

Clark-Feather thread

 

[firstyearchevelle]

I picked this up at a flea market yesterday. It works perfectly and is currently disassembled for cleaning and an evaporust bath. I’m wondering about Herbrand’s use of screws to hold these ratchets together. Mine has slotted screws but most of the ones you see have philips head screws. The second picture of post #224 of this thread shows what appears to be a 3/8 drive ratchet with slotted screws, however it looks like the earlier style with the toggle selector. I suppose the screws could have been replaced at some point but I don’t think the ratchet had ever been taken apart before.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That ratchet was made during WWII. The AISI number 8742 (low dose triple alloy) is the tell. I have a few and they all have Phillips screws. Not concluding anything. Just more data points for you.

 

[Leviton]

How about an electrical tool? An HT-700 ammeter. My $2 purchase. It's in pretty good shape. September 1958 date.

Just lay the wire in the "tray" on the back. As the 1961 Herbrand catalog says: "Excellent for the pump island" to secure extra work for the shop.

 

[82355]

This thing is kind of rough, is it of any interest to anyone on here? I am not a fan of double box end wrenches.





Martin

 

[bonneyman]

I had to replace some screws in my pearhead Herbrand rats and all I could find in that thread size were slotted type screws. I use them so looks weren't as important as getting them back together. Though you might check Bolt Depot - they have alot of fasteners and might have the screw size and thread you need in phillips type if the slotted look bothers you.

 

[nailheadmatt]

Here's my box I just got and cleaned up

 

[c1504]

Super cool!

 

[Jim C.]

Well, I couldn’t give them away, so now I guess I’m collecting them!!

Jim C.

I’m still trying to complete this set. Here’s my progress to date. The set consists of 42 wrenches. So far I have 24. I still have a long way to go.

Jim C.

 

[Provincial]

Welcome, johnsgotwrenches! You are not butting in, just sharing. We are always happy to see Herbrand stuff.

 

[Mintgrun]

I found a # 835 puller yesterday.



It is not the same # 835 as the one in the 52-M catalog though.

Herbrand Tools of Quality : Catalog No. 52-M : Seco Sales and Service, Ltd. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

148 p., illus., 22.9 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

Another one for the miscellaneous-pullers box.

Tom

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here you are, Tom. I never paid attention to the model number before, just reached for it when I needed it.

 

[Mintgrun]

Yours is nicer. I like the rounded treatment of the ends of the bar and it has the elegant logo. I also like how they stacked the

LOGO
#
USA​

The pivoting foot is easy to pull off. Luckily, it stayed with the tool.

 

[leg17]

LS, All, Anyone,

How do you think the numerals were put on the blades of the feeler gauge I posted above? Not only are they interconnected dots, not solid lines, as I noted above, they are not identical. See Post #306, Pic 6. Compare the "2" in "28" to the "2" in "32". Now compare the "3" in "30" to the "3" in "32". Is it possible these blades were etched by hand? Or was the die used to mark each blade made by hand? Last time I ran into this was an antique No. 4 tempered steel rule I have, in which the same letters were not identical on the same rule.

My THEORY is that these, and some machinist rules and other similar tools, were acid etched. The resist was applied and the engraving was hand drawn, scratched in, likely by women. This pattern of similar but not identical lettering is not unusual in the early 20th century.

 

[oknope]

Herbrand Multiscope MS-1

 

[Mintgrun]

I've got a few onesie-twosie round beam DBEs and added this one to the list a couple days ago. There was some crusty fresh rust, but an hour in the electrolysis bucket fizzed it off.





HINS((-))DALE wrenches are scarce around here. Here's my only other one. The other side is unmarked.

 

[Shelbylex]

Mintgrun, you almost got it: Hinsdale thread is here:

Where's the Hinsdale thread? Show em!

There are plenty of Hinsdale tools listed throughout various GJ threads and there are even a couple threads started by members looking for information about their new acquisitions, but there is no dedicated "show us you Hinsdale tools". So it begins ... I acquired this 3/4" drive Hinsdale set...

www.garagejournal.com

Nice save!

 

[bmwrd0]

Hinsdale wrenches (and sockets, etc.) are scarce everywhere! Nice combo and DBE.