Let's see your Herbrand!

[outofbounds]

Old Carb kit +

Nice catch!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

As first reported on the 13th annual Garage Sale thread here, and discussed further in CC#11 on the Lugzsonian thread here, I found a rusty box full of several rusty knockout type wheel removers yesterday in a lot of old garage stuff. Five (5) of them were Herbrand "VAN- CHROME" jobbies. They have some dings and dents from misguided hammer blows, but Herbie's design, composition, and manufacturing makes their truth in advertising ("They will not mushroom or split") impressive.



Just four (4) more and a box to go and I'll have the whole set!

 

[outofbounds]

A family picture of some Herbrand that was part of a garage sale tool haul yesterday.

 

[930dreamer]

Can anyone help with the machine screw size for a Herbrand J-10 ratchet. Local Jerry's hardware store bolt/nut chart shows this is a #3. A #4 won't go into the plate hole. I think #4 was the smallest they had.

 

[Etchase]

If the diameter is around 0.099 inches it’s a #3. If it’s o.086 inches it’s a number 2. # 3’s come either 48 or 56 threads per inch. It the screw is 0.112 inches in diameter it’s a #4 even if it didn’t fit in the thread checker at the hardware store. They probably only have 4-40’s, so that might mean it’s 48 threads per inch. Everything but the 4-40 will be a little hard to find

 

[930dreamer]

If the diameter is around 0.099 inches it’s a #3. If it’s o.086 inches it’s a number 2. # 3’s come either 48 or 56 threads per inch. It the screw is 0.112 inches in diameter it’s a #4 even if it didn’t fit in the thread checker at the hardware store. They probably only have 4-40’s, so that might mean it’s 48 threads per inch. Everything but the 4-40 will be a little hard to find

I did pick up a few 4-40's, to big. I'll look at it again Sunday.

 

[Etchase]

I would measure to be sure, but my guess at the most probable is a 3-48. I’ve run across those before in a ratchet.

 

[930dreamer]

I went back to Jerry's and found 3-48 machine screws today. All good!

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Gotta get the grass.

What date range is that deep socket set? I have a box that I bought for it’s fantastic logo and would like to fill it

 

[Ricky Joe]

I can probably fill it for you. 1930s.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

I can probably fill it for you. 1930s.

Well shoot I may take you up on that

 

[930dreamer]

$55 on MP .

 

[Ricky Joe]

Unusual Herbrand no. 23 wrench. Sizes are 3/16” an 1/4” Whitworth.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here is another unusual Herbrand no. 23 wrench. Sizes are 1/2” and 1/4”.

 

[B Halverson]

I think I last used this a couple of years ago to change the oil in an acquaintances '65 Oldsmobile, which had a drain plug on it's oil pan requiring a tool like this. It worked great then went back in the toolbox;

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have a few tools like that. Sometimes sit for years, then one day come in handy!

 

[d42jeep]

Here is a J-10 3/8” drive ratchet I found some time back. It was missing one screw and another screw had a stripped out Phillips head. I ended up drilling out the screw with the stripped head. Fortunately, my screw assortment had a couple of perfect stainless replacement screws
Before.
After.
Screw assortment picked up at a Tahoe hardware store going out of business.
-Don

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

I found a Herbrand S-10 ratchet over the weekend and looked yesterday for the 3-48 and ended up to small and found a 4-40 today the works but the head is a few thousandths small. But I am happy with it.

 

[B Halverson]

Four hex sizes and three squares, about eight inches long, cool.........;

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here is a J-10 3/8” drive ratchet I found some time back. It was missing one screw and another screw had a stripped out Phillips head. I ended up drilling out the screw with the stripped head. Fortunately, my screw assortment had a couple of perfect stainless replacement screws
Before.
After.
Screw assortment picked up at a Tahoe hardware store going out of business.
-Don

From mid to late 1930s.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Four hex sizes and three squares, about eight inches long, cool.........;

We still don't know who made them. Several other examples posted on the thread prompted that discussion a few years back, because they show up with the identical configuration, OAL, and openings, but marked Wright and P&C instead. Wright makes sense, geographically, for some kind of cahoots between two Ohioan companies. P&C not so much, at least implying the possibility of a fourth party.

 

[d42jeep]

Four hex sizes and three squares, about eight inches long, cool.........;

Lugz posted a couple of his in 2019. Here is mine that was posted upthread in 2020.
-Don

 

[B Halverson]

Lugz posted a couple of his in 2019. Here is mine that was posted upthread in 2020.
-Don

Lugz posted a couple of his in 2019. Here is mine that was posted upthread in 2020.
-Don

That is nice to see the catalog page, I posted the 193 that is laying around here a week or two ago in this thread. I can't remember where I got the 193 from, but the 194 was at a flea market someone held in a parking lot about ten blocks from my house yesterday, and I thought it was neat to have both the "inny" and the "outy".

 

[Private Lugnutz]

My fellow patient, persistent, onesy-twosy pickers will understand my enthusiasm about finding this ISN 3733C "VAN-CHROME" Multihex DBE wrench at the flea this morning. It's now wrench #4 in a previously 3-wrench matching partial set.



Branding zoom.



Flip side marking zoom.



Thumbnails below of the set...

 

[Patrickm82]

I just got this J9 speed ratchet in a market place score. Very nice condition.

 

[z28lsc]

Recent score. Herbrand No. S-17 1/2" speeder.

 

[JSCraftsman]

Hey guys, I know...I'm tapping on an old thread here. But I thought I would show off this old 1960's Herbrand J-7 I repaired AND vintage repair kit I just finished up on tonight. Good thing I did buy this kit as well, because it was definitely needed for this J-7 rat! It needed a new pawl, and the original bushing broke into three pieces when I removed it from the head! Interesting ratchet! It uses a 36 tooth gear, but what's different about this guy is it's small compact head design. So, it sort of has the feeling of a fine tooth because of it's compact head. For a 1960's ratchet, this one was well ahead of it's time. The downside is, because of it's small head, it has a very small pawl, with small teeth on a two tooth per side engagement pawl. I'd bet that this is pretty much where the mechanism failure occurs on many of these ratchets. Anyway, here are a few photos. Thanks and enjoy! -JS

 

[soundjunky]

This is (yet another) neat discussion on a brand I know little about;
To me, the tool (after function of course) needs to have a feel and look in order for me to buy it ect;
I am confident that I have several Herbrand tools - one of which was a recently acquired linesman's pliers.

I also have in inexplainable affinity for 1/4" drive ratchets - which brings me to this one - which at a passing glance has a striking resemblance to a 1980's SO ratchet.

The only marking appears to be an "M7" after the logo, and from the discussion here, I'd wager it's a Canadian made tool, with the 'M7' being to tool designation(?).

 

[four.cycle]

Hello @soundjunky and welcome to the site!

Your "M7" Herbrand ratchet - if it is Canadian made - was manufactured by Seco Tool Co., 340 Dufferin St., Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
The handle design was patented by Snap-on and is now copied by everybody.

keep this link handy at all times.

and this one

 

[82355]

How did SnapOn end up with it?

Martin

 

[four.cycle]

^ The handle design was orignally Snap-on's ... everyone else copied it after the patent had expired.

 

[3baygarage]

This is (yet another) neat discussion on a brand I know little about;
To me, the tool (after function of course) needs to have a feel and look in order for me to buy it ect;
I am confident that I have several Herbrand tools - one of which was a recently acquired linesman's pliers.

I also have in inexplainable affinity for 1/4" drive ratchets - which brings me to this one - which at a passing glance has a striking resemblance to a 1980's SO ratchet.

The only marking appears to be an "M7" after the logo, and from the discussion here, I'd wager it's a Canadian made tool, with the 'M7' being to tool designation(?).

Hi Soundjunky. Neat find. I haven't seen too many of them. I'm pretty sure that ratchet was made in Japan. Herbrand seemed to either not want it made known that many of their late tools were Asian imports, or they weren't concerned with coo. That ratchet is nice compared to the junk round heads they were putting out.

Check out this post.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/the-ratchet-collection-thread.343867/post-9405861

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand seemed to either not want it made known that many of their late tools were Asian imports, or they weren't concerned with coo.

^ Let me guess: it's not marked with Country of Origin, right?

 

[3baygarage]

^ Let me guess: it's not marked with Country of Origin, right?

Yep. Nothing other than name and part #. Still a cool little ratchet.

 

[z28lsc]

Waiting on this 3/8 set to arrive in the mail. they all look new.

 

[z28lsc]

The set arrived. It has shallow sockets from 3/8 to 3/4 including some square drive pieces and deep well from 3/8 to 3/4. plus other goodies all 3/8 drive.

this little wrench came in the set too. No marks but it is cool.

 

[Leviton]

The set arrived. It has shallow sockets from 3/8 to 3/4 including some square drive pieces and deep well from 3/8 to 3/4. plus other goodies all 3/8 drive.

this little wrench came in the set too. No marks but it is cool.

Wow. It is in great shape.

 

[z28lsc]

Wow. It is in great shape.

Thanks. They just need a light cleaning and the ratchet needs a light lube.

 

[Shelbylex]

Soild in MA, went presumably to Medford.
Sold for $450 with huge load of Snap On and other quality brands per seller...
Bottom drawers were made out of wood by the original owner to expand the drawer space...

: ( No, that was not me - had to work on Friday...

 

[rustyzman]

From an estate sale today. Herbrand ignition pliers. Next to a Snap on Vacuum Grip needle nose of normal size for reference.