Let's see your Herbrand!

[Private Lugnutz]

NOS, hammer faces have not struck anything. Believed to be a set that a tool salesman carried around.

Those are amazing! Look at all that classic beautiful Herbrand blue!

 

[leg17]

I'll take another look at it tonight bk. Lugz I suspect these are pre 30s tools. I have not seen a herbrand catalog that early

I THINK that the mixture of text and script logos suggests right around the year 1920.

See post #7

Tappet Wrenches Only: History, Use, and Examples!

INTRO POST 1 of 4 The subject of tappet wrenches comes up frequently on GJ, including brand-specific threads (e.g., most recently in the “Craftsman Long C” thread), the “Show us your DOE wrenches” thread, and plenty of Whatzit? threads. They tend to generate lots of questions. Such as, why...

www.garagejournal.com

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks leg that has been my suspicion, just can't find any ads or catalogs that old

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I think my set is probably earlier due to it only having the blocky text logo and the Diamond-H and no branding whatsoever on the sockets. A period reference would be nice. I have searched to no avail. What's troubling is there are plenty of ads in trade mags in 1919 and 1920, but no mention or picture of detachable socket wrenches.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Picked up this No. 363P yesterday. Marked "PHILLIPS LIC. 2" with the 1950 patent number and "#3 SUPER" on the shank. Ironically, I have the exact same screwdriver in much worse condition. Usually I would be disappointed, hoping for a different size, a #1 or a #2, because I don't see too many of these in the wild, but in this case, I'm happy with the mint-y replacement.

 

[misterbill]

Picked up this itty bitty #87 ignition wrench (11/32" x 3/8") yesterday.





Bill

 

[Oldtuleguy]

An old offset screwdriver

 

[outofbounds]

I visited a pawn in Flint, MI that touted a wall of old tool boxes “full of various contents”. After searching through several and not finding much of anything I actually opened a cheap plastic box and found all this. After setting the stuff on the floor and reaching for more boxes to search, the owner indicated that that wasn’t how he preferred to sell the tools he was looking to actually sell any given box for its tagged price with whatever contents resided within. He did agree to sell me this small collection of Herbrand carb sockets and 1/4 drive Van Chrome talls at a reasonable price. I was happy to have found them all.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's a box with some interesting trays

 

[Mintgrun]

Very cool box/trays/content. Including an oyster knife!

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here's a box with some interesting trays

About as clean a set as I’ve seen.

 

[GaryM909]

I was searching my box of random tools looking for a certain socket when I found this. I didn't even remember when I got it. It's the only Herbrand tool I own and it's the first 5"- 3/8" drive extension I have ever seen.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Some 3/8 stuff

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand 01213 14 piece 1/4" drive SAE Socket Set

this set includes:

20606 3/16" 6-pt socket
20607 7/32" "
20608 1/4" "
20609 9/32" "
20610 5/16" "
20611 11/32" "
20612 3/8" "
20614 7/16" "
20616 1/2" "

22000 1/4" drive RHFT Ratchet
21001 2 inch Extension
20116 6 inch Extension
----- 6 inch Spinner Handle

* all of the pieces in the set except the spinner handle are marked with part number and "HERBRAND" and the Triangle logo.
* the spinner handle is not original to the set and is marked "U.S.A." and "HERBRAND" but lacks a part number.

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand HJM3812-12M 12 piece 3/8" drive Metric Socket Wrench Set w/rail

manufactured for the Herbrand Corp. by Seco Tool Co., Toronto, Canada

this set includes:

JM108 8mm 12-pt Socket
JM109 9mm "
JM110 10mm "
JM111 11mm "
JM112 12mm "
JM113 13mm "
JM114 14mm "
JM115 15mm "
JM116 16mm "
JM117 17mm "
JM118 18mm "
JM119 19mm "

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand MA7-1 8 piece 1/4" drive Bit and Ratchet Set w/Original Box

manufactured by the Herbrand Co., Orangeburg, South Carolina

this set includes:

M19-FS Flexible 1/4" Driver Handle

M2S 1/4" drive Fingertip Ratchet

M03M-1 1/4" square female x 1/4" hex Drive Adapter

T10 x T15 two-way Torx Bit

T20 x T25 two-way Torx Bit

3mm x 4mm slotted Screwdriver Bit

P1 x P2 phillips Screwdriver Bit

* the flex driver handle swings 180° - the catch is released by applying thumb pressure to the lever on the shaft.

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand MS84R 5 piece 1/4" Hex Drive Reversible Ratcheting Driver

this set includes:

MS84R Reversible Ratcheting 1/4" Hex Drive Handle

P1 #1 Phillips Bit

P2 #2 Phillips Bix

-- 1/4" Slotted Screwdriver Bit

-- 5/16" Slotted Screwdriver Bit

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand 154 5 inch Midget Pliers

 

[four.cycle]

Herbrand 167 4½" Ignition Pliers

 

[MisterEd]

Van-Chrome 7125 Engineer Wrench 1/2 x 7/16

 

[Ricky Joe]

As I go through my box, I’ll post Herbrand tools today. It is one of my favorite brands. Any questions about them, please ask.

 

[Ricky Joe]

More candy

 

[Ricky Joe]

Even more candy

 

[Ricky Joe]

Last set for now. I’ve been procrastinating mowing the lawn, and now it looks like rain.

 

[Ricky Joe]

So I have to ask myself, which would I rather do: talk to you guys and feed my fragile ego, or mow the grass in the hot and humid sun? I think we know the answer! Here are some more!

 

[Ricky Joe]

A few more

 

[Ricky Joe]

Gotta get the grass.

 

[ararat]

So I have to ask myself, which would I rather do: talk to you guys and feed my fragile ego, or mow the grass in the hot and humid sun? I think we know the answer! Here are some more!

Good decision. Nice collection

 

[Tom "Python" Aycock]

I've got this #01919 1/4 & 3/8 drive set I'm working to restore the parts in. Just missing the #30118 9/16 (3/8 drive), #20608 1/4 (1/4 drive) and an unknown part # for the 3/8 to 1/4 adapter. This set is under the Triangle Tool management timeframe so I estimate early to late 1970s? Its got that simulated woodgrain finish box. If anybody has a catalog from the Triangle period let me know...nothing in ITCL that I could find.

 

[Leviton]

They are both WWII production. The "1038" is an AISI carbon steel composition number. AA covers the topic fairly well. It was a practice, unique to Herbrand, in demonstrating their compliance with wartime alloy steel composition restrictions.

Looks like McKaig-Hatch might have done this as well. Found a McKaig-Hatch 1038 marked DOE last week.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Looks like McKaig-Hatch might have done this as well. Found a McKaig-Hatch 1038 marked DOE last week.

Nice find. And yes, they did. I have a 1046, as noted here...

I think the other number ("1046"), turned sideways on the shank near the head, is an AISI number for the carbon steel composition, which I have never seen on a wrench other than Herbrand, which is interesting and probably the sole reason I picked it up at the flea a few years ago.

...posted on this oddball thread.

 

[misterbill]

I had never seen this logo until I saw it on this DS-24 3/4" deep 1/2" drive socket that I picked up today.


Bill

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I think that's a later Canadian logo

 

[Private Lugnutz]

What am I missing? How is it different than the early 60s logo? See compression tester (post #109) and snap gap points set (post #185).

 

[four.cycle]

^ It isn't, but THAT logo seldom appears on most of the Herbrand I see, but that may well be because so much of what is on ebay is Triangle-era product. The only sockets I have seen stamped with THAT logo were some Canadian-made NOS units I bought from a guy who was in upstate New York several years ago, who told me he lived down the street from the place they were making them in Toronto for a while. Seco Tool of Toronto was still stamping out "Herbrand" product apparently after the Triangle period. I've never been able to pin down any kind of time frame. The guy who sold me the Canadian sockets made a rough guess of 2002 or 2003 as the date he purchased the sockets.

Herbrand Canadian-made 3/8" drive socket set
Herbrand Canadian-made 1/4" drive deep-well socket set

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Yup, Canadian

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It isn't,...

Thanks.

...but THAT logo seldom appears on most of the Herbrand I see...

Agreed.

The only sockets I have seen stamped with THAT logo were some Canadian-made

Got it. But the logo - capital "H" with italicized "erbrand" - is not exclusive to Canadian production. Hence, my posts. In literature, it first appears in their '57 catalog. The combination of Bill never having seen it before - on anything, and OTG's reply, was confusing me.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Yeah... no argument from me on that one at all, Lugz. Just pointing out that other than examples like those two you've cited - and the box and wrapper sleeve on the little 8-piece kit I sold a couple weeks ago, I have not seen THAT logo stamped on the tools themselves other than those Canadian made sockets of mine.

It may be worth noting at this juncture that none of my own Canadian-made sockets (or any Triangle-era product I've had) was marked with country of origin. (Part of the reason both Todd and I are highly suspicious of the late-production "Triangle" sockets and drive tools as having been outsourced offshore.)

 

[MR.X]

Old Carb kit +

 

[MisterEd]

Herbrand DS-34 1/2 Inch Drive 1 1/16 Standard Deep Socket